Argentine: route 40 en entier
by Flaurence
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour. Je prépare un voyage sur la ruta 40 Argentine pour la fin de l'année 2016 pour un mois et je désire savoir si quelqu'un la faite en une seule fois du Nord au Sud ou l'inverse en voiture? Je me rends compte que louer une voiture a Salta et la laisser à Ushuaia coute extrêmement cher. Sans doute vais je devoir n'en faire qu'une portion en boucle, et se pose le problème : quelle portion faire? Si vous avez des avis, je suis preneuse. Merci😉 et bonne journée
flaurence
Hasard ! Je m'intéresse à ce voyage depuis hier !
Plusieurs compagnies de bus font ce trajet comme : Chalten Travel ou Tasqua. C'est moins cher que la location de voiture et pas de soucis si pb mécanique. Mais moins de liberté. Pour l'instant, j'imagine les longues portions de pampa en car (2 ou 3 jours) et des arrêts dans des lieux intéressant avec loc de voiture.
J'ai trouvé ce site ! http://www.turismoruta40.com.ar/
Et je reste, comme toi, en attente de partages VF !
"Celui qui a atteint son but a manqué tout le reste"
Bonjour,
La route 40 n'a aucun interet (en tant que telle). C'est un concept qui a été mis en place a la fin des années 90 et monté par l'office du tourisme pour creer un statut "mythique". C'est un peu comme si le gouvernement europeen, mettait en place une route "50" qui relie Lisbonne a Istamboul. Bref on change les numeros des routes entre deux villes pour donner le numero 50 et la rendre donc "interessante". La route 40 a donc été créée en changeant meme plusieurs fois au fil des années les routes qu'elle englobait. C'est un peu comme si on reprenanit l'exemple du Lisbonne-Istamboul, que la "mytique 50" pouvait pendant quelques années passer par Perpignan et qu'ensuite pendant 5 autres années passer par Toulouse et Arles.... Bref les routes sont toujours les memes, la seule chose qui change c'est la valses des bornes le long des routes pour changer les numero de nationales ou de provinciales. Aucun interet.
Ce qui est interessant c'est plutot le type de paysages que tu recherches ou de lieux et d'habitats, et ceux ci qu'ils soient a 10 km ou 200 km d'une ligne rouge sur la carte n'en ont que faire.

Carte : upload.wikimedia.org/...0_Santa_Cruz.svg.png
Dans la province de Santa Cruz, ils ont meme fait passer la 40 plus au sud et lui faisant faire une boucle, pour l'allonger et depasser les 5000 km (pour depasser le chiffre symbolique). Bref la plupart des routes du coin on été pendnat un tmep ua moins sur la 40 ! Ca en devient ridicule !
Par exemple en 2003 : "El 14 de abril de 2003 la Dirección Nacional de Vialidad cambió la denominación Ruta Nacional 258 por Ruta Nacional 40". Voila comment la RN258 est devenu par un coup de baguette magique la RN 40 !
Va lire l'article en espagnol sur la RN 40 : Un vrai casse tete ou le tracé de a route se modifie tous les 2 a 3 ans ! es.wikipedia.org/...cional_40_(Argentina)
Bonne route !
Herge ! www.petitherge.com
La route 40 n'a aucun interet (en tant que telle). C'est un concept qui a été mis en place a la fin des années 90 et monté par l'office du tourisme pour creer un statut "mythique". C'est un peu comme si le gouvernement europeen, mettait en place une route "50" qui relie Lisbonne a Istamboul. Bref on change les numeros des routes entre deux villes pour donner le numero 50 et la rendre donc "interessante". La route 40 a donc été créée en changeant meme plusieurs fois au fil des années les routes qu'elle englobait. C'est un peu comme si on reprenanit l'exemple du Lisbonne-Istamboul, que la "mytique 50" pouvait pendant quelques années passer par Perpignan et qu'ensuite pendant 5 autres années passer par Toulouse et Arles.... Bref les routes sont toujours les memes, la seule chose qui change c'est la valses des bornes le long des routes pour changer les numero de nationales ou de provinciales. Aucun interet.
Ce qui est interessant c'est plutot le type de paysages que tu recherches ou de lieux et d'habitats, et ceux ci qu'ils soient a 10 km ou 200 km d'une ligne rouge sur la carte n'en ont que faire.

Carte : upload.wikimedia.org/...0_Santa_Cruz.svg.png
Dans la province de Santa Cruz, ils ont meme fait passer la 40 plus au sud et lui faisant faire une boucle, pour l'allonger et depasser les 5000 km (pour depasser le chiffre symbolique). Bref la plupart des routes du coin on été pendnat un tmep ua moins sur la 40 ! Ca en devient ridicule !
Par exemple en 2003 : "El 14 de abril de 2003 la Dirección Nacional de Vialidad cambió la denominación Ruta Nacional 258 por Ruta Nacional 40". Voila comment la RN258 est devenu par un coup de baguette magique la RN 40 !
Va lire l'article en espagnol sur la RN 40 : Un vrai casse tete ou le tracé de a route se modifie tous les 2 a 3 ans ! es.wikipedia.org/...cional_40_(Argentina)
Bonne route !
Herge ! www.petitherge.com
Tout sur l Argentine, et completé 24h/24h depuis le 29 oct 2005
http://www.petitherge.com/
Rebonjour Rodolphe
Nous avions ouvert une discussion à ce sujet sur le forum en janvier 2014 , où l'on se demandait où etait passé le veritable tracé de la route 40. Ayant parcouru des tronçons de cette route dans le début des années 1990 puis à nouveau ces dernières années , nous nous sommes rendus compte que le tracé avait évolué parfois de plus de 100 km pour des raisons touristiques et financières. Nous avions rencontré pas mal de cyclistes pédalant sur cette route ( mythique) et on se demandait s'ils étaient conscient d'être très loin du tracé initial. A plus
Nous avions ouvert une discussion à ce sujet sur le forum en janvier 2014 , où l'on se demandait où etait passé le veritable tracé de la route 40. Ayant parcouru des tronçons de cette route dans le début des années 1990 puis à nouveau ces dernières années , nous nous sommes rendus compte que le tracé avait évolué parfois de plus de 100 km pour des raisons touristiques et financières. Nous avions rencontré pas mal de cyclistes pédalant sur cette route ( mythique) et on se demandait s'ils étaient conscient d'être très loin du tracé initial. A plus
Il m'a fallu quelques jours pour comprendre que je ne pourrai pas tout faire et tu dis très justement que la faire en entier réponds à un mythe. Je potasse mon Lonely, vais voir quelques photos sur internet car je dois me décider pour savoir ce que je préfère admirer. Je suis encore indécise sur le Nord ou la Patagonie. Voilà où j'en suis aujourd'hui. Je pense même exclure la Terre de feu car je ne suis pas encore convaincue de l'absolue nécessité visuelle de ce lieu. J'ai compris qu'il fallait que je fasse une boucle en voiture pour prendre et laisser la voiture dans la mm agence. En effet prendre la voiture et la restituer dans une autre agence coute 3 fois plus cher. Donc je potasse. Merci Herge!! 😏
flaurence
Hello. ce que je trouvais intéressant de la ruta 40 était le fait qu'elle parte du nord pour aller au sud. Un bon moyen pour traverser le pays sans trop chercher sa route. Pour une fois le Gps ne m'aurait pas servi à grand chose. ( quoique en Albanie mon Garmin a cramé et pas de Gps pendant 10 jours dans les montagnes sur route en terre. La population locale a fait place au Gps )😉
flaurence
Bonjour Florence,
La 40 n'a aucun interet, c'est un "produit", un concept marketing touristique sur une realité qui n'a jamais existé. Donc vouloir y rouler pour y chercher du "typique" n'a plus aun sens, pusique c'est artifice monté de toute piece et surtout dans les années 2000-2010.
Bref en 2004, une campagne a été lancée pour changer les bornes, et faire passer la "route 40" dans un maximum de villages et villes (quite a faire des boucles qui montent et descendent sans plus se soucier d'une logique de transport et de reseau). Uniquement pour que les commune disent "Nous sommes sur la 40". Un an plus tard en 2005, le marketing a commencé avec un site web en espagnol et en anglais, vantant les attraits de la "mythique route 40". Ca marche puisque maintenant 10 ans plus tard tout le monde veut "faire" la RN 40. Le 20 mai 2005, la province de Jujuy a fait meme tres fort pusique d'un coup de decret avec l'accord de la Nation, les routes provinciales 85, 70, 74, 7, 64, 65 et 5 sont toutes devenues RN 40. A se demander si dans 10 ans. la route 40 va passer dans les 24 provinces argentines ? On a pour le moment "étirer" donc la RN40 a 5080 km (dernier allongement date de 2007) pour passer la barre psychologique des "5000 km".
Je propose de passer la barre des 20.000 km de RN 40 (en rouge sur la carte). Voila la carte ci dessous que je soumets au Ministere du Tourisme !
A bientot tout le monde ! Herge ! www.petitherge.com
La 40 n'a aucun interet, c'est un "produit", un concept marketing touristique sur une realité qui n'a jamais existé. Donc vouloir y rouler pour y chercher du "typique" n'a plus aun sens, pusique c'est artifice monté de toute piece et surtout dans les années 2000-2010.
Bref en 2004, une campagne a été lancée pour changer les bornes, et faire passer la "route 40" dans un maximum de villages et villes (quite a faire des boucles qui montent et descendent sans plus se soucier d'une logique de transport et de reseau). Uniquement pour que les commune disent "Nous sommes sur la 40". Un an plus tard en 2005, le marketing a commencé avec un site web en espagnol et en anglais, vantant les attraits de la "mythique route 40". Ca marche puisque maintenant 10 ans plus tard tout le monde veut "faire" la RN 40. Le 20 mai 2005, la province de Jujuy a fait meme tres fort pusique d'un coup de decret avec l'accord de la Nation, les routes provinciales 85, 70, 74, 7, 64, 65 et 5 sont toutes devenues RN 40. A se demander si dans 10 ans. la route 40 va passer dans les 24 provinces argentines ? On a pour le moment "étirer" donc la RN40 a 5080 km (dernier allongement date de 2007) pour passer la barre psychologique des "5000 km".
Je propose de passer la barre des 20.000 km de RN 40 (en rouge sur la carte). Voila la carte ci dessous que je soumets au Ministere du Tourisme !

A bientot tout le monde ! Herge ! www.petitherge.com
Tout sur l Argentine, et completé 24h/24h depuis le 29 oct 2005
http://www.petitherge.com/
Merci pour ces infos et bravo pour ton humour ! Ça manque, même en Corse...
Je conserve l'adresse de ton site fort intéressant !
"Celui qui a atteint son but a manqué tout le reste"
Bonjour,
Je m'appelle Ana, je suis journaliste pour une société de production audiovisuelle TSVP PROD. Actuellement je réalise un reportage sur les routes mythiques dont la route 40 qui traverse l'Argentine, en partant par le Chili jusqu'à la Patagonie (ou l'inverse, selon l’itinéraire).
L'idée du sujet est de suivre une famille ou un couple qui partent à l'aventure. Nous souhaiterons vous filmer pendant quelques moments précis du voyage, pas tout le temps ne vous inquiétez pas, pour ainsi découvrir avec vous ces extraordinaires paysages du Chili à l'Argentine.
Je voudrais juste savoir si vous réalisez une partie de cette route (route 40) avec votre famille ? Vous comptez partir à quel moment de l'année ?
Si vous voulez plus d'information voici mes coordonnés ci-dessous. N'hésitez pas à me contacter, rien ne vous engage avec moi pour ce reportage. Votre témoignage sera très précieux pour nous.
Merci d'avance.
Bien à vous,
Ana Jiménez ajimenez@tsvp-prod.com
Je m'appelle Ana, je suis journaliste pour une société de production audiovisuelle TSVP PROD. Actuellement je réalise un reportage sur les routes mythiques dont la route 40 qui traverse l'Argentine, en partant par le Chili jusqu'à la Patagonie (ou l'inverse, selon l’itinéraire).
L'idée du sujet est de suivre une famille ou un couple qui partent à l'aventure. Nous souhaiterons vous filmer pendant quelques moments précis du voyage, pas tout le temps ne vous inquiétez pas, pour ainsi découvrir avec vous ces extraordinaires paysages du Chili à l'Argentine.
Je voudrais juste savoir si vous réalisez une partie de cette route (route 40) avec votre famille ? Vous comptez partir à quel moment de l'année ?
Si vous voulez plus d'information voici mes coordonnés ci-dessous. N'hésitez pas à me contacter, rien ne vous engage avec moi pour ce reportage. Votre témoignage sera très précieux pour nous.
Merci d'avance.
Bien à vous,
Ana Jiménez ajimenez@tsvp-prod.com
La route 40 a beau ne pas être "mythique" (qu'est-ce qu'une route "mythique" ? la plupart des routes "mythiques" ont répondu dès leur création a un besoin de désenclavement, d'unification, d'intégration – à commencer par la "route de la soie", qui est une belle invention aussi ; alors donnons à la route 40 le temps de devenir mythique, après tout...), c'est tout de même une route essentielle qui permet de connecter le pays du Nord au Sud sans repasser par Buenos Aires ; c'est en cela qu'elle est "mythique", dans son désir initial de réunir toutes les provinces du piémont andin. Le projet est né en 1935, à une époque où sa vocation "touristique" ne laissait planer aucun espoir ; et si cela semble récent comparé à la route de soie, c'est tout de même le Moyen-Âge à l'échelle de l'histoire de la Nation Argentine... Pour les Jujeños, la Route 40 c'est avant tout un axe vital d'intégration ! Et il ne faut avoir jamais transité sur les pistes de Patagonie en auto pour penser que l'asphaltage de la Route 40 dans ces parages désolés est "dommage"...
Bref : la Route 40 vaut d'être parcourue, mais cependant plusieurs remarques s'imposent :vous n'y arriverez pas en 1 mois, à moins de tracer tête baissée mais ce serait vraiment dommage ;il faut savoir s'éloigner de la Route 40 de temps à autres pour en explorer les alentours : vallées, parcs nationaux, cols, estancias, que sais-je encore ?si, comme quelqu'un le faisait remarquer, la Route 40 peut être ennuyeuse, monotone, voire laide sur certains tronçons (surtout en Patagonie), en revanche elle est sublime dans le Nord, entre Jujuy et La Rioja, avec le passage "mythique" du Col de l'Acay... Quitte à se cantonner à un tronçon, donc, ce serait sûrement celui-là ! PS : la Route 40 ne passe pas en Terre de Feu ; elle se termine, suivant les années, soit à Río Gallegos, soit 100km plus au sud au Cap des Vierges sur le Détroit de Magellan – si ça c'est pas mythique !?
Infos, photos, étapes de la "Ruta 40" sur mon webguide : http://www.queseio.fr/fiche.php?code=ruta40
Bon voyage !
Bref : la Route 40 vaut d'être parcourue, mais cependant plusieurs remarques s'imposent :vous n'y arriverez pas en 1 mois, à moins de tracer tête baissée mais ce serait vraiment dommage ;il faut savoir s'éloigner de la Route 40 de temps à autres pour en explorer les alentours : vallées, parcs nationaux, cols, estancias, que sais-je encore ?si, comme quelqu'un le faisait remarquer, la Route 40 peut être ennuyeuse, monotone, voire laide sur certains tronçons (surtout en Patagonie), en revanche elle est sublime dans le Nord, entre Jujuy et La Rioja, avec le passage "mythique" du Col de l'Acay... Quitte à se cantonner à un tronçon, donc, ce serait sûrement celui-là ! PS : la Route 40 ne passe pas en Terre de Feu ; elle se termine, suivant les années, soit à Río Gallegos, soit 100km plus au sud au Cap des Vierges sur le Détroit de Magellan – si ça c'est pas mythique !?
Infos, photos, étapes de la "Ruta 40" sur mon webguide : http://www.queseio.fr/fiche.php?code=ruta40
Bon voyage !
Retrouvez toutes mes infos voyage sur l'Argentine sur mon blog www.queseio.com et affrontez mon Quiz pour aiguiser vos connaissances sur ce pays...
Bonjour.
en effet depuis mon premier post, mon itinéraire change. Bien sur la Ruta 40 reste mythique et parce qu'elle s'est fait connaitre ces 10 dernières années, elle a attiré mon attention. C'est déjà un immense pas vers l'Argentine où je ne serai , sans cette ruta, peut être jamais allée.
Je regarde actuellement pour faire une boucle Nord : Argentine/ Chili. Le Sud m'attire beaucoup pour son immensité glaciaire mais un choix s'imposera tôt ou tard.Merci de tous ces renseignements.
flaurence
Merci.
Si tu veux je peux t'expliquer bien le sujet. Nous allons pas te suivre pendant tout ton voyage. Si tu veux tu peux m'écrire : alimentez@tsvp-prod.com
merci :)
Si tu veux je peux t'expliquer bien le sujet. Nous allons pas te suivre pendant tout ton voyage. Si tu veux tu peux m'écrire : alimentez@tsvp-prod.com
merci :)
Salut Etienne
je suis actuellement sur ton site/blog . il est incroyablement bien fait!! mille merci , très riche. Beau travail!!
Merci c'est gentil 😇
je suis actuellement sur ton site/blog . il est incroyablement bien fait!! mille merci , très riche. Beau travail!!
Merci c'est gentil 😇
Retrouvez toutes mes infos voyage sur l'Argentine sur mon blog www.queseio.com et affrontez mon Quiz pour aiguiser vos connaissances sur ce pays...
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So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Below is our draft itinerary (with questions at each stop):
29/11: France → Colombia. Overnight in Bogotá. 30/11: Exploring Bogotá: La Candelaria and Montserrate. 01/12: Gold Museum (closed on Mondays). Drive to Zipaquirá (1.5 hrs) to visit the Salt Cathedral. Then drive to Villa de Leyva (3 hrs). Explore the town. Overnight in Villa de Leyva. 02/12: Return to Bogotá via Laguna de Guatavita (5 hrs). Is it worth the detour? Overnight in Bogotá. 03/12: Flight to Pereira. Drive to Salento. Overnight in Salento. 04/12: Cocora Valley (hike among the wax palms) followed by a drive around the area. Are there any waterfalls or other sights nearby? 05/12: Visit a coffee finca—any recommendations? Then explore the surroundings: Filandia, Manizales, waterfalls? Hot springs? Which ones? 06/12: Flight to Medellín. 07/12: Exploring Medellín: Centro, Plaza Botero, Comuna 13. How do you visit Comuna 13? Is it easy to get around Medellín? Metro? Buses? 08/12: Drive to Guatapé (2 hrs). Visit the town, stroll around the lake, then El Peñol. Overnight in Guatapé. 09/12: Return to Medellín. 10/12: Flight to Santa Marta. Drive to a hotel near Tayrona Park. 11/12: Tayrona—El Zaino entrance. 12/12: Tayrona—Palangana entrance, then Bahia Concha and Santa Marta. What do you think? 13/12: Drive to Minca (45 mins). Can we reach the village by car? Pozo Azul and Marinka waterfalls. Overnight in Minca (or back in Tayrona?). 14/12: Drive to Puerto Nao (5 hrs). Stop in Ciénaga on the way + boat tour in Nueva Venecia and/or Buena Vista? Not enough time? Overnight in Puerto Nao. 15/12: Exploring Cartagena: Centro, Getsemaní, the walls + La Boquilla if we have time. 16/12: La Boquilla (is it really worth it?) if we didn’t have time yesterday, then back to the beach. 17/12: Return to France.
So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Hi there, I’ll be in Brazil from December 10th to the end of February.
I’ve sketched out a rough itinerary but I’m not sure how to arrange it—considering the climate, year-end holidays, and Carnival.
Basically, I’m thinking of the Amazon, the Northeast coast with Lençóis Maranhenses National Park (but skipping Chapada Diamantina),
Ouro Preto, Paraty, and Ilha Grande—but no Rio visit.
Is this doable in 3 months?
Which direction should I take for this itinerary?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone, does anyone know the agency Ventura Travel Agency (not ventura travel)? After lots of research and quotes, it’s the only one offering Uyuni at a reasonable price while meeting all the criteria: transfer to the border, private-room accommodation, and a very fair rate. Other agencies or guides either offer shared rooms, no border transfer, or prices that are way too high. But I’d love to hear some reviews about this agency. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
We're planning a trip to Chile to visit the Atacama Desert and then head toward Putre, Lauca, Salar de Surire, etc.
Which would be the better time to go, April or November?
Is an SUV enough?
Looking forward to your tips!
Hi, I'm looking for a local agency in Uyuni to do the trip and tours from Uyuni to San Pedro de Atacama. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Hi there,
Could you recommend any car rental agencies in Calama and Punta Arenas? Best regards,
Could you recommend any car rental agencies in Calama and Punta Arenas? Best regards,
Hi everyone, French travelers in Chile—what credit cards do you use for your various car rentals in the country? I’m traveling in September and was planning to switch my regular debit card (a VISA PREMIER in deferred debit mode) for the deposit guarantee.
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
Hi everyone, is it still possible to travel in Ecuador outside the Amazon region? If so, do you have a reliable agency to recommend? All your recent experiences from the past few months would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much
Hi,
We’re heading to Buenos Aires for 3 days in November and would like to do a guided tour of a few neighborhoods. There are "free" tours, but none in French. Does anyone have a guide to recommend so we can really get to know the city beyond just the architecture?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?





