Autorisation de passage aller-retour Chili - Argentine avec voiture de location
by Titoualsace
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous.
Je pars au Chili en novembre 2018 pour plusieurs semaines avec un 4x4 de location.
J'ai compris que je dois prévenir le loueur si je veux passer en Argentine pour qu'il s'occupe
des formalités d'autorisation. J'aimerais savoir si cette autorisation est valable pour plusieurs
passages de frontière, ( 6 en ce qui me concerne, 3 allers et 3 retours), ou pour un seul
aller-retour. Est-ce que je dois donner les détails au loueur, lieux de passage, dates ?
Je précise que je ramènerai le véhicule là où je l'aurais pris.
Merci d'avance pour vos informations.
Titoualsace
Hola
Il te faudra plusieurs autorisations similaires oú le loueur indiquer qu il laisse sortir sa voiture conduire par toi vers l argentine entre tel date et telle date. Logiquement, pas besoin de spécifier les dates de passage de frontiere á l'avance. Fais toi faire une dizaine d autorisation similaire pour étre tranquile. Toujours avoir une autorisation notariale tamponée par la douane sur toi.
Suerte
Hola
Il te faudra plusieurs autorisations similaires oú le loueur indiquer qu il laisse sortir sa voiture conduire par toi vers l argentine entre tel date et telle date. Logiquement, pas besoin de spécifier les dates de passage de frontiere á l'avance. Fais toi faire une dizaine d autorisation similaire pour étre tranquile. Toujours avoir une autorisation notariale tamponée par la douane sur toi.
Suerte
Salut à toi Kalchaqui. Merci beaucoup pour ton aide et ta réponse. J'ai bien compris qu'il me faut une autorisation par passage. Qu'appelles-tu une autorisation notariale tamponnée par la douane ? S'agit-il du papier émis par la douane que l'on doit garder jusqu'au retour, ou est-ce l'autorisation fournie par le loueur dont nous parlions précédemment ? Encore merci !
Salut à toi Kalchaqui. Merci beaucoup pour ton aide et ta réponse. J'ai bien compris qu'il me faut une autorisation par passage. Qu'appelles-tu une autorisation notariale tamponnée par la douane ? S'agit-il du papier émis par la douane que l'on doit garder jusqu'au retour, ou est-ce l'autorisation fournie par le loueur dont nous parlions précédemment ? Encore merci !
Titoualsace
Bonjour Bernard,
Une boucle de un mois (du 9.11 au 9.12.2017) autour de Punta Arenas,6 passages frontières Argentine Chili, absolument aucun problème. À UNE seule condition, prévenir le loueur, et payer 250€ de frais notariaux.Bon vent et bon voyage!
la vitesse de la lumiere etant superieure a celle du son, il n'est donc pas anormal que beaucoup de gens paraissent brillants jusqu'a ce qu'ils parlent....
Bonjour Bernard,
Une boucle de un mois (du 9.11 au 9.12.2017) autour de Punta Arenas,6 passages frontières Argentine Chili, absolument aucun problème. À UNE seule condition, prévenir le loueur, et payer 250€ de frais notariaux.Bon vent et bon voyage!
Bonjour Claudine. Merci pour le retour. Il s'agit donc bien des autorisations procurées par le loueur, moyennant finances. Je comprends. Si vous connaissez une bonne agence de location sérieuse au Chili, je suis preneur de l'info. Vraiment merci beaucoup.
Bonjour Claudine. Merci pour le retour. Il s'agit donc bien des autorisations procurées par le loueur, moyennant finances. Je comprends. Si vous connaissez une bonne agence de location sérieuse au Chili, je suis preneur de l'info. Vraiment merci beaucoup.
Titoualsace
Bonjour
En effet aucune difficulté pour les passages de frontières, une fois le loueur prévenu plus de 15 jours à l'avance. Dans mon cas, Europcar, le passage de frontière m'a coûté 98 €.
Bon voyage
En effet aucune difficulté pour les passages de frontières, une fois le loueur prévenu plus de 15 jours à l'avance. Dans mon cas, Europcar, le passage de frontière m'a coûté 98 €.
Bon voyage
Bonjour
En effet aucune difficulté pour les passages de frontières, une fois le loueur prévenu plus de 15 jours à l'avance. Dans mon cas, Europcar, le passage de frontière m'a coûté 98 €.
Bon voyage
Bonjour MichelG78. Merci à vous pour l'info. Pouvez vous me préciser à combien de passages correspondait cette somme. Merci d'avance.
En effet aucune difficulté pour les passages de frontières, une fois le loueur prévenu plus de 15 jours à l'avance. Dans mon cas, Europcar, le passage de frontière m'a coûté 98 €.
Bon voyage
Bonjour MichelG78. Merci à vous pour l'info. Pouvez vous me préciser à combien de passages correspondait cette somme. Merci d'avance.
Titoualsace
Bonjour Titoualsace
Cette somme correspondait à 2 passages, un aller, et un retour.Les 2 passages ne se sont effectués au même endroit, mais j'avais précisé à Europcar les points de passage.
Bonne journee Michel
Cette somme correspondait à 2 passages, un aller, et un retour.Les 2 passages ne se sont effectués au même endroit, mais j'avais précisé à Europcar les points de passage.
Bonne journee Michel
Bonjour Titoualsace
Cette somme correspondait à 2 passages, un aller, et un retour.Les 2 passages ne se sont effectués au même endroit, mais j'avais précisé à Europcar les points de passage.
Bonne journee Michel
Rebonjour MichelG78. Merci pour la rapidité de votre réponse. L'info est précise et précieuse. Encore merci.
Cette somme correspondait à 2 passages, un aller, et un retour.Les 2 passages ne se sont effectués au même endroit, mais j'avais précisé à Europcar les points de passage.
Bonne journee Michel
Rebonjour MichelG78. Merci pour la rapidité de votre réponse. L'info est précise et précieuse. Encore merci.
Titoualsace
Salut Titoualsace . Peux tu me dire combien il faut compter pour louer un 4x4 par jour en Argentine et quelle par quel loueur tu es passé .
Merci de ta réponse
Salut Titoualsace . Peux tu me dire combien il faut compter pour louer un 4x4 par jour en Argentine et quelle par quel loueur tu es passé .
Merci de ta réponse
Bonjour Jyd07. Je ne peux pas encore t'aider car pour l'instant je n'en suis qu'à la préparation de mon voyage. Je pars seulement à la mi-novembre, j'ai seulement réservé les vols aller-retour. De toute façon je commencerai et terminerai mon périple à Santiago du Chili, donc pour l'Argentine je ne peux pas te renseigner. Apparemment les locations sont plus chères en Argentine qu'au Chili.
Bonjour Jyd07. Je ne peux pas encore t'aider car pour l'instant je n'en suis qu'à la préparation de mon voyage. Je pars seulement à la mi-novembre, j'ai seulement réservé les vols aller-retour. De toute façon je commencerai et terminerai mon périple à Santiago du Chili, donc pour l'Argentine je ne peux pas te renseigner. Apparemment les locations sont plus chères en Argentine qu'au Chili.
Titoualsace
super , merci de ta réponse . Vaya con dios !
Bonjour Bernard,
Une boucle de un mois (du 9.11 au 9.12.2017) autour de Punta Arenas,6 passages frontières Argentine Chili, absolument aucun problème. À UNE seule condition, prévenir le loueur, et payer 250€ de frais notariaux.Bon vent et bon voyage!
Bonjour je dois partir au Chili et Argentine en novembre. J'ai loué par par le biais d'Autoescape chez Europcar / Aéoroport de Punta Arenas. Pour le moment, je n'arrive pas à avoir de réponse pour récupérer mes papiers pour la passage de la frontière. Vous étiez passé par quel loueur ? Merci beaucoup. Bonne Journée. Catherine
Bonjour je dois partir au Chili et Argentine en novembre. J'ai loué par par le biais d'Autoescape chez Europcar / Aéoroport de Punta Arenas. Pour le moment, je n'arrive pas à avoir de réponse pour récupérer mes papiers pour la passage de la frontière. Vous étiez passé par quel loueur ? Merci beaucoup. Bonne Journée. Catherine
Bonjour
En effet aucune difficulté pour les passages de frontières, une fois le loueur prévenu plus de 15 jours à l'avance. Dans mon cas, Europcar, le passage de frontière m'a coûté 98 €.
Bon voyage
Bonjour Auriez-vous les coordonnées (mail) de votre loueur Europcar au Chili ? Etait-ce à Punta Arenas ? Merci beaucoup. Catherine.
En effet aucune difficulté pour les passages de frontières, une fois le loueur prévenu plus de 15 jours à l'avance. Dans mon cas, Europcar, le passage de frontière m'a coûté 98 €.
Bon voyage
Bonjour Auriez-vous les coordonnées (mail) de votre loueur Europcar au Chili ? Etait-ce à Punta Arenas ? Merci beaucoup. Catherine.
Bonjour
Il s'agissait de l agence Europcar de Puerto Montt, mais pas dee soucis, ils utilisent un mail générique, et c'est l'agence impactée qui vous répond ensuite. Le mail à utiliser pour exprimer votre demande est reservations@europcar.cl
Bon voyage Michel
Il s'agissait de l agence Europcar de Puerto Montt, mais pas dee soucis, ils utilisent un mail générique, et c'est l'agence impactée qui vous répond ensuite. Le mail à utiliser pour exprimer votre demande est reservations@europcar.cl
Bon voyage Michel
Bonjour,
Nous sommes passés par le même loueur que vous.
Excellent accueil à l'aéroport, les formulaires indispensables nous attendaient ainsi que le véhicule (60km au compteur!).
Je dois préciser, erreur de ma part, que les documents valaient 250 $ (et non 250€).
Bonne route!
Vous trouverez l'adresse email de l'agence Europcar de l'aéroport de Punta Arenas sur Google.
la vitesse de la lumiere etant superieure a celle du son, il n'est donc pas anormal que beaucoup de gens paraissent brillants jusqu'a ce qu'ils parlent....
Merci Michel pour cette réponse rapide !
J'ai effectivement envoyé un message à reservation@europcar.cl. Je vais attendre leur réponse...
Il reste encore un peu de marge d'ici novembre.
Catherine
Merci Claudine pour cette réponse rapide.
Je n'ai trouvé que l'adresse générique d'Europcar Chili (reservation@europcar.cl),
mais Michel m'a confirmé que l'on pouvait s'adresser directement à ce mail.
Je vais attendre leur réponse...
Bonne journée. Catherine
En attachė, Photo du courrier échangé avec l'agence Europcar de l'aéroport de Punta Arenas!
la vitesse de la lumiere etant superieure a celle du son, il n'est donc pas anormal que beaucoup de gens paraissent brillants jusqu'a ce qu'ils parlent....
Super 👍
Merci beaucoup, je vais pouvoir traiter directement avec eux sans passer par x intermédiaires !
Cela fera un souci de moins dans l'organisation du voyage.
Bonne soirée
Catherine
Merci beaucoup pour cette précieuse adresse mail...
Tout est déjà réglé, en moins de 24h ! alors que j'avais envoyé un mail à reservations@europcar.cl il y a une semaine et appelé Autoescape 3 fois en juin, juillet et aucune réponse écrite de leur part.
Encore merci. Bonne soirée. Catherine
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Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
