A+, je vais me baigner, l eau est a 27 degres a Kho Phan Gan et dans trois jours je suis a Paris....
Voyage au Myanmar: déception
by Nbx
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Je viens de passer 3 semaines au Myanmar (je suis aujourd hui en Thailande), et je suis (un peu) decu. Certe, certains lieux sont interssants (Bagan, lac Inle), mais par rapport aux autres pays d Asie que j ai visite avant (Thailande, Inde, Nepal, Cambodge), le Myanmar n apporte pas grand chose. De plus, les transports sont epouvantables et lents (les bus sont terribles et le train c est pire), il n y a peu d internet et le telephone internationnal est hors de prix (6 dollars la minutes).
Faites moi part de vos avis sur ce pays...
A+, je vais me baigner, l eau est a 27 degres a Kho Phan Gan et dans trois jours je suis a Paris....
A+, je vais me baigner, l eau est a 27 degres a Kho Phan Gan et dans trois jours je suis a Paris....
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salut, la manière dont tu nous parles de ton voyage laisse transparaitre une certaine façon de voyager..... peut ete que le pays n'était pas fait pour toi, tout simplement, maintenant, de la à dire que çà n'apporte "rien", je ne peux pas te laisser dire çà, les gens y sont bien différents et l'ambiance Birmane est toute particulière, peut etre que si tu te contente de voir les 4 villes principales, cçà t'apporte rien (et encore !) mais soi l'île Thai que tu parles est pour toi nettement mieux, alors, je comprends mieux 🤪
A mon tour je suis tres etonne que tu es eu un sentiment comme celui-ci en visitant ce pays extraordinaire, aussi bien au niveau des paysages, que des gens ou encore de la culture....
Quant aux transports, le jour ou les bus VIP arriveront, ou les TGV se balladeront dans les campagnes Birmanes et ou les lignes aeriennes arriveront partout, il ne sera plus la peine d'y aller !!
Il faut savoir que lorsque l'on part dans un pays comme celui la (mais pas le seul), on doit s'attendre a voyager "differement", il est bien difficile de comparer la Birmanie a l'ile thailandaise dont tu parles !
Tu as eu la chance d'aller justement dans un pays "different", peut etre n'as tu pas eu assez de temps pour t'impregner de cette ambiance, dommage, dommage ...
Quant aux transports, le jour ou les bus VIP arriveront, ou les TGV se balladeront dans les campagnes Birmanes et ou les lignes aeriennes arriveront partout, il ne sera plus la peine d'y aller !!
Il faut savoir que lorsque l'on part dans un pays comme celui la (mais pas le seul), on doit s'attendre a voyager "differement", il est bien difficile de comparer la Birmanie a l'ile thailandaise dont tu parles !
Tu as eu la chance d'aller justement dans un pays "different", peut etre n'as tu pas eu assez de temps pour t'impregner de cette ambiance, dommage, dommage ...
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
aussi mon tour
je te comprend, , c'est vrai que ce n'est pas moderne et que il faut beaucoup d'effort pour arriver a quelque chose
NBX a raison de le dire, ceux qui cherchent un macdonald ou des bus avec air conditionner et roulant sur autoroute ne pas aller en Birmanie,
Pour les autres, , une petite photo qui a mon avis donne envie de voir ce magnifique pays, , ( je ne dirais que en privée ou c'est, 😉, ) je vois les connaisseurs vont dire c'est Pagan, , bien non c'est plus beau que Pagan
Pour les autres, , une petite photo qui a mon avis donne envie de voir ce magnifique pays, , ( je ne dirais que en privée ou c'est, 😉, ) je vois les connaisseurs vont dire c'est Pagan, , bien non c'est plus beau que Pagan

« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Je ne connais pas l'ile thailandaise dont tu parles, mais je suis bien triste de lire que tu es déçu du Myanmar
(sorry pour les fautes parfois, mais je suis sur un clavier en Thailande justement)
Si tu as aimé les pays que tu cites, je voudrais t'encourager à faire une nouvelle expérience de l'ex Birmanie.
Si tu regardes notre blog, tu trouveras quelques articles que nous avons écrits sur ce pays que nous avons visité pour la première fois en 1981 et dans lequel notre dernier séjour remonte à 4 mois. J'espère sincèrement que tu y découvriras quelques coups de coeur qui te donneront l'envie d'y retourner maintenant que tu sais que tu n'y trouveras pas d'internet facile et de 12call.
J'imagine que si tu nous en parles ici, c'est que tu est un peu triste d'avoir été déçu. Cela m'est arrivé une fois aussi lors de mon premier voyage en Indonésie en 1982. Je suis retournée quelques temps après avec beaucoup de bonheur au point d'oublier ce premier contact qui resurgit tout à coup avec ton post.
Amicalement
Véro
Dernier séjour dont nous avons parlé en ligne http://www.veroeddy.be/europe/uk/from-scotland-with-love
Depuis janvier 2012 http://www.veroeddy.be
Salut,
Je suis en ce moment meme a Koh PhanGan et c'est ca justement qui est decevant. Ou au moins disons qu'on ne peut pas comparer un resort de tech parties avec supermarche de coke integre, avec un pays 5 fois plus pauvre et ferme aux influences exterieures. en Birmanie il faut sortir de ces chemins rebattus. Aller dans les regions non touristiques, a l'aventure. Et bien sur aucune chance de trouver ca a Inle. Et a Bagan il n'y a pas de touristes dans les petits temples (hors des 5 plus cites dans le LP), dont certains sont tres beaux et bien restaures . Tu n'a peut etre pas envie d'y retourner apres ton experience decevante, mais je t'assure que les montagnes de l'etat Shan et l'accueil des habitants est remarquable de gentillesse et de simplicite. Meme Yangon, qui n'a pas une super reputation a part Shwedagon Pagoda, degage une atmosphere tres particuliere, notamment sur son marche de nuit. Il faut separer les obligations que la dictature fait peser sur le touriste, qui sont c'est vrai aussi lourdes pecunierement qu'infondees en terme de qualite de service, de la culture locale et populaire. Il faut rencontrer les gens hors des villes, ou ils parlent plus aisement aux etrangers.
Allez je vais diner au Liberty a Ban Tai
a+
Seb
Je suis en ce moment meme a Koh PhanGan et c'est ca justement qui est decevant. Ou au moins disons qu'on ne peut pas comparer un resort de tech parties avec supermarche de coke integre, avec un pays 5 fois plus pauvre et ferme aux influences exterieures. en Birmanie il faut sortir de ces chemins rebattus. Aller dans les regions non touristiques, a l'aventure. Et bien sur aucune chance de trouver ca a Inle. Et a Bagan il n'y a pas de touristes dans les petits temples (hors des 5 plus cites dans le LP), dont certains sont tres beaux et bien restaures . Tu n'a peut etre pas envie d'y retourner apres ton experience decevante, mais je t'assure que les montagnes de l'etat Shan et l'accueil des habitants est remarquable de gentillesse et de simplicite. Meme Yangon, qui n'a pas une super reputation a part Shwedagon Pagoda, degage une atmosphere tres particuliere, notamment sur son marche de nuit. Il faut separer les obligations que la dictature fait peser sur le touriste, qui sont c'est vrai aussi lourdes pecunierement qu'infondees en terme de qualite de service, de la culture locale et populaire. Il faut rencontrer les gens hors des villes, ou ils parlent plus aisement aux etrangers.
Allez je vais diner au Liberty a Ban Tai
a+
Seb
Subas
je crois tout simplement que Aroimak avait raison, notre ami Nbx n'etait pas fait pour aller la haut, chacun ses voyages ...!😉
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
Salut Thuan!
Belle image de Mrauk-U au lever de soleil, avec les petites brumes qui vont avec. Superbe endroit! J'y retournerais un jour certainement.
Belle image de Mrauk-U au lever de soleil, avec les petites brumes qui vont avec. Superbe endroit! J'y retournerais un jour certainement.
Voyagez, voyagez, il en restera toujours quelque chose!
Photo prise de la colline près de Sakyamanaung peut-être?
Voyagez, voyagez, il en restera toujours quelque chose!
Ah la la ! Je compatis a votre deception ! 😛
Pagan ? Pfff ! Il y a plein de machins en ruine ! Le lac Inle, je vous dis pas ! Il y a un monastere ou des moines font sauter des chats dans des cerceaux !
A-t-on idee, mm ?
Shewagadon, a Rangoon, rien vu de plus ringard !
N'allez pas en Birmanie !🙁
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
bon .. je ne voulais pas en faire encore une devinette, , simplement
c'est pour les amateurs de la Birmanie profonde, , un endroit qui se mérite, , ( cette photo date un peut donc je ne peut pas dire ce c'est exactement comme cela, , ) oui c'est bien mrauk u
je peut comprendre que on aime pas la Birmanie, c'est un endroit très spécial ou on dois mettre nos repères de cotée, ,
une des choses qui m'a frapper en birmanie, , était la notion du temps
ça ne servait a rien que d'avoir une montre et se fier a un programme déterminée, , la Birmanie ne se visite pas elle se vit,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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La Birmanie ...il faut le temps pour tout absorber. En rentrant, nous étions malades et épuisés et maintenant après un mois de "digestion" nous pouvons juger à la juste valeur. Nos coups de coeur et les endroits que nous avons moins aimé mais de toute manière une experience magnifique.
Je viens de poster le récit de mon voyage pour ceux qui sont interessés.
Myanmar "sacré": Pagode, paya?
Je viens de poster le récit de mon voyage pour ceux qui sont interessés.
Myanmar "sacré": Pagode, paya?
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Heureux qui comme Ulysse....
Heureux qui comme Ulysse....
je pars en birmanie en février sois sympa dis moi la photo c'est où, promis je ne le dirai à personne 🙂😊
TRES BONNE ANNEE POUR TOI ET POUR TOUTES LES PERSONNES QUE TU AIMES
MARIE😏
TRES BONNE ANNEE POUR TOI ET POUR TOUTES LES PERSONNES QUE TU AIMES
MARIE😏
"ne critique jamais une personne avant d'avoir passé une journée entière dans ses mocassins " proverbe indien cherokee
La réponse est deux posts au dessus de ta question .😉
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
le suis d'accord avec vous ! Myanmar ce n'est pas terrible !
Bagan c'est bien : couchers de soleil qui irradient les temples ... pas mal pour une photo ... et épater les copains ! le lac Inle : amusant avec cette façon de pagayer avec un pied ... pas mal pour une photo, peut-être deux ... pour les proches
mais les transports alors là ! il n'y a pas photo ! les bus terribles : d'une telle lenteur que l'on peut regarder le paysage, les autochtones dans leur vie quotidienne ; rêver à ce qu'a été hier et à ce que sera demain ... oublier notre "traintrain de vie européenne ... savourer ce rare moment au milieu des Birmans ...
ça se sont de vraies vacances !
et de plus tu veux converser avec les copains, pas besoin de chercher, hop de suite un Internet Coffee ! ce n'est pas comme en France ... tu vas à Paris, et bien Internet y'en'a pas tous les coins de rue
par contre l'horreur c'est qu'il n'y a pas encore de Club Med ! pour cela je conseille qu'il faille ouvrir une nouvelle discussion pour faire une pétition générale sur le site !
pour terminer ma réponse, j'ai hâte que nous terminions tous l'année au plus vite pour faire peau neuve dès le 1er janvier 2007 ! car depuis quelques jours je trouve les courriers de plus en plus débilitants entre le shot en Birmanie ? l'argent de poche en Birmanie ? la tenue déplorable je l'avoue des "tous risques" à la cérémonie en mémoire des disparus en mer l'année dernière (discussion qui est arrivée à un nombre incroyable de messages à relire car ce n'est qu'une suite de redites) tout cela sent la crise de foie ou la mauvaise foi.
vous me faites perdre mon enthousiasme pour VF !
Bagan c'est bien : couchers de soleil qui irradient les temples ... pas mal pour une photo ... et épater les copains ! le lac Inle : amusant avec cette façon de pagayer avec un pied ... pas mal pour une photo, peut-être deux ... pour les proches
mais les transports alors là ! il n'y a pas photo ! les bus terribles : d'une telle lenteur que l'on peut regarder le paysage, les autochtones dans leur vie quotidienne ; rêver à ce qu'a été hier et à ce que sera demain ... oublier notre "traintrain de vie européenne ... savourer ce rare moment au milieu des Birmans ...
ça se sont de vraies vacances !
et de plus tu veux converser avec les copains, pas besoin de chercher, hop de suite un Internet Coffee ! ce n'est pas comme en France ... tu vas à Paris, et bien Internet y'en'a pas tous les coins de rue
par contre l'horreur c'est qu'il n'y a pas encore de Club Med ! pour cela je conseille qu'il faille ouvrir une nouvelle discussion pour faire une pétition générale sur le site !
pour terminer ma réponse, j'ai hâte que nous terminions tous l'année au plus vite pour faire peau neuve dès le 1er janvier 2007 ! car depuis quelques jours je trouve les courriers de plus en plus débilitants entre le shot en Birmanie ? l'argent de poche en Birmanie ? la tenue déplorable je l'avoue des "tous risques" à la cérémonie en mémoire des disparus en mer l'année dernière (discussion qui est arrivée à un nombre incroyable de messages à relire car ce n'est qu'une suite de redites) tout cela sent la crise de foie ou la mauvaise foi.
vous me faites perdre mon enthousiasme pour VF !
marraîne d'une enfant Karen qui vit avec sa famille dans un camp de réfugiés en Thaïlande : enfant choisie de par ses origines (Karen et Birmane)
! car depuis quelques jours je trouve les courriers de plus en plus débilitants entre le shot en Birmanie ? l'argent de poche en Birmanie ? la tenue déplorable je l'avoue des "tous risques" à la cérémonie en mémoire des disparus en mer l'année dernière (discussion qui est arrivée à un nombre incroyable de messages à relire car ce n'est qu'une suite de redites) tout cela sent la crise de foie ou la mauvaise foi.
vous me faites perdre mon enthousiasme pour VF !
cool vf est fait de tout, c'est ce qui en fait son charme, sa ne serait pas drôle si tout le monde avait les mêmes opinions
vous me faites perdre mon enthousiasme pour VF !
cool vf est fait de tout, c'est ce qui en fait son charme, sa ne serait pas drôle si tout le monde avait les mêmes opinions
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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oui ! tu as raison !
mais ... ! mais ... !
ce qui me gêne c'est que l'on écrit ce qui passe par la tête sans réfléchir et cela devient très très insipide ! où est l'esprit "voyageur" ? cela ressemble plus à "voyagiste" cad avant tout consommer
je suis sur le site maintenant depuis 4 mois et j'ai "repéré" ceux et celles qui maintiennent le cap !! et qui savent aussi en changer sans en perdre le nord !! bonnes fêtes à toi
mais ... ! mais ... !
ce qui me gêne c'est que l'on écrit ce qui passe par la tête sans réfléchir et cela devient très très insipide ! où est l'esprit "voyageur" ? cela ressemble plus à "voyagiste" cad avant tout consommer
je suis sur le site maintenant depuis 4 mois et j'ai "repéré" ceux et celles qui maintiennent le cap !! et qui savent aussi en changer sans en perdre le nord !! bonnes fêtes à toi
marraîne d'une enfant Karen qui vit avec sa famille dans un camp de réfugiés en Thaïlande : enfant choisie de par ses origines (Karen et Birmane)
Franchement... je trouve que Ceylana a raison... depuis quelques temps, on vient (ps tout le monde heureusement !) sur VF pour dire un peu tout et son contraire, j'ai comme l'impression que les veritables informations se font de plus en plus rares, c'est dommage et il ne faudrait pas que le site se "transforme" dans le mauvais sens !
Que chacun aie son opinion, c'est une bonne chose, que, sous pretexte de vouloir donner une reponse on en vienne a parler de ce qui ne fait pas avancer le chimiliblic, en ai une autre .
Que chacun aie son opinion, c'est une bonne chose, que, sous pretexte de vouloir donner une reponse on en vienne a parler de ce qui ne fait pas avancer le chimiliblic, en ai une autre .
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
Personnelement, j'ai trouvé la Birmanie beaucoup plus développé que le Cambodge. Les bus que j'ai pris sont de bonnes qualités (4, 5$ pour Yangon- Mandalay dans un bus confortable et climatisé avec repas du soir et bouteille d'eau offerte). Le train, je n'ai pas pris, mais je sais qu'ils sont plus lents que les bus et de très mauvaise qualité, et que la compagnie appartient à l'état. Après, niveau site à voir, il ne faut pas rester que 2 jours à Bagan ni 1 journée à Inle. Il faut apprécier le moment présent. Le Cambodge a beaucoup moins de sites à voir à mon avis.
Par ailleurs, internet est accessible en "haut débit" à Yangon, et un peu partout à Bagan et Inle. Seul hic à Mandalay à l'été 2005 où à ma connaissance, il n'y avait qu'un point d'accès internet, celui cité dans le LP et surement dans le routard. Et Internet pas très cher, 2$ de l'heure il me semble. Pour le téléphone, il y a moins cher que 6$ de la minute.
Franchement... je trouve que Ceylana a raison... depuis quelques temps, on vient (ps tout le monde heureusement !) sur VF pour dire un peu tout et son contraire, j'ai comme l'impression que les veritables informations se font de plus en plus rares, c'est dommage et il ne faudrait pas que le site se "transforme" dans le mauvais sens !
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tu dois avoir raison, je dois vieillir et désabuser, ,
Que chacun aie son opinion, c'est une bonne chose, que, sous pretexte de vouloir donner une reponse on en vienne a parler de ce qui ne fait pas avancer le chimiliblic, en ai une autre ., , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
tu dois avoir raison, je dois vieillir et désabuser, ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Décidment, il suffit de mettre "déception" ou "décue" (cf site sur l'Inde), d'écrire deux trois lieux communs, de se plaindre de choses matérielles pour voir exploser le nombre de réactions a un post qui n'en mérite aucune.
Il suffit en fait d'aller voir le profil de l'auteur du post pour comprendre tout de suite qu'en écrivant sous la rubrique "autres intérets" le mot "automobile" et on aura tout compris.
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
Les plus beaux paysages du Monde se trouvent là bas pour moi et j'ai hâte de les voir. La vallée des milliers de Temples, y rester des semaines...
bonsoir,
j'ai quelques voyages à mon actif et la Birmanie reste l'un de mes plus beaux souvenirs. Tout y est, une population attachante, des sites à couper le souffle.
Ceci dit on a aussi le droit de ne pas aimer....et d'aimer l'automobile sans être pour autant débile.
un vrai voyageur se doit d'être tolérant.
a+
Mais, tout à fait !😉
Ceci dit on a aussi le droit de ne pas aimer....et d'aimer l'automobile sans être pour autant débile.
Ne me fait pas dire ce que je n'ai pas dit.
En fait je voulais terminer mon post par une sorte de boutade du style "ceux qui aime l'automobile ne pourront que difficilement comprendre un pays pratiquementotalement plongé dans la philosophie bouddhiste du petit véhicule" mais je me demande si tout le monde aurait compris.
Ceci dit il serait peut etre intéressant de débattre de la notion de tolérance dont beaucoup abuse pour en fin de compte faire n'importe quoi du moment qu'il en tire leur petit plaisir égoiste du style le slogan des années 70's "Mon auto c'est ma liberté". L'automobile - qui est la meilleure et la pire des choses - tue et mutile (physiquement et moralement) plus que les guerres mais tant que cela ne nous touche pas directement on s'en fout. L'automobile est l'un des vecteurs le plus important de pollution - quand les Chinois et les Indiens seront des centaines de millions a se ruer sur les routes on en reparlera ou peut etre pas car on aura cesser de pouvoir respirer. L'automobile c'est probablement la plus grosse gabgie du XXeme siecle (et du XXI aussi) j'ai plutot tendance a l'appeler l'"autoimmobile" vu qu'une voiture ne doit en fait rouler que durant 1/100 de son existance. Etc. etc.
Faites du vélo (petit véhicule) c'est juste une question de vélosophie.
PS j'ai vu dans un autre post que des gens avaient loué des vélos a Bagan pour ... 4000K la journée.
Ne me fait pas dire ce que je n'ai pas dit.
En fait je voulais terminer mon post par une sorte de boutade du style "ceux qui aime l'automobile ne pourront que difficilement comprendre un pays pratiquementotalement plongé dans la philosophie bouddhiste du petit véhicule" mais je me demande si tout le monde aurait compris.
Ceci dit il serait peut etre intéressant de débattre de la notion de tolérance dont beaucoup abuse pour en fin de compte faire n'importe quoi du moment qu'il en tire leur petit plaisir égoiste du style le slogan des années 70's "Mon auto c'est ma liberté". L'automobile - qui est la meilleure et la pire des choses - tue et mutile (physiquement et moralement) plus que les guerres mais tant que cela ne nous touche pas directement on s'en fout. L'automobile est l'un des vecteurs le plus important de pollution - quand les Chinois et les Indiens seront des centaines de millions a se ruer sur les routes on en reparlera ou peut etre pas car on aura cesser de pouvoir respirer. L'automobile c'est probablement la plus grosse gabgie du XXeme siecle (et du XXI aussi) j'ai plutot tendance a l'appeler l'"autoimmobile" vu qu'une voiture ne doit en fait rouler que durant 1/100 de son existance. Etc. etc.
Faites du vélo (petit véhicule) c'est juste une question de vélosophie.
PS j'ai vu dans un autre post que des gens avaient loué des vélos a Bagan pour ... 4000K la journée.
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
Cela fait maintenant deux semaine que j’ai quitté le Myanmar et une semaine que je suis de retour en France et j’ai plus de recul par rapport à ce voyage. Le titre de mon topic était volontairement provocateur et le moins que l’on puisse dire c’est que les réponses et commentaires sont tranchées !
Il n’était (n’est) pas dans mon intention de remettre en cause l’intérêt évident du Myanmar : ma visite de Bagan à vélo, mon trek de 3 jours autour du lac Inle (avec nuits chez l’habitant et dans un monastére), les campagnes authentiques ou les plages de changtha sont d’excellents souvenirs. De plus les populations sont accueillantes et la sécurité est assurée (on sait à quel prix pour les Myanmarnais)
Cependant, il ne s’agit pas d’un pays « facile » par rapport au reste de l’Asie et il convient de s’organiser : transports très lents et réellement éprouvants (à moins de prendre l’avion mais le budget n’est pas le même), communication avec l’étranger difficile, utilisation exclusive d’argent liquide…
En conclusion je ne regrette absolument pas mon voyage et avec le recul, il est même possible que j’y retourne, j’avais aussi une mauvaises impression de mon premier voyage en Inde mais j’y suis retourné deux fois avec satistaction. PS : pour Groziboo, tu dis « Je suis en ce moment même a Koh PhanGan et c'est ca justement qui est décevant. Ou au moins disons qu'on ne peut pas comparer un resort de tech parties avec supermarche de coke integre ». Je suppose que tu était à Hat Rin, perso je suis allé à Haad khom, au nord, un lieu calme (même pas de 7 Eleven ni d’internet, mais j’ai survécu !), sans route goudronnée, sans électricité et je n’ai pas étais gêné par la musique techno (on trouvait quand même de l’herbe pour les accros !).
Il n’était (n’est) pas dans mon intention de remettre en cause l’intérêt évident du Myanmar : ma visite de Bagan à vélo, mon trek de 3 jours autour du lac Inle (avec nuits chez l’habitant et dans un monastére), les campagnes authentiques ou les plages de changtha sont d’excellents souvenirs. De plus les populations sont accueillantes et la sécurité est assurée (on sait à quel prix pour les Myanmarnais)
Cependant, il ne s’agit pas d’un pays « facile » par rapport au reste de l’Asie et il convient de s’organiser : transports très lents et réellement éprouvants (à moins de prendre l’avion mais le budget n’est pas le même), communication avec l’étranger difficile, utilisation exclusive d’argent liquide…
En conclusion je ne regrette absolument pas mon voyage et avec le recul, il est même possible que j’y retourne, j’avais aussi une mauvaises impression de mon premier voyage en Inde mais j’y suis retourné deux fois avec satistaction. PS : pour Groziboo, tu dis « Je suis en ce moment même a Koh PhanGan et c'est ca justement qui est décevant. Ou au moins disons qu'on ne peut pas comparer un resort de tech parties avec supermarche de coke integre ». Je suppose que tu était à Hat Rin, perso je suis allé à Haad khom, au nord, un lieu calme (même pas de 7 Eleven ni d’internet, mais j’ai survécu !), sans route goudronnée, sans électricité et je n’ai pas étais gêné par la musique techno (on trouvait quand même de l’herbe pour les accros !).
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c'est bien un des rares temoignages negatifs sur ce merveilleux pays que j'ai pu lire
nous n'y avons pas passé bcp de temps mais nos 12 jours ont été merveilleux en decembre 2004 et nous comptons bien y retourner car jsutement nous avions apprécié l'authenticité de ce pays, de ses gens et leur gentillesse
je ne parle pas des monuments et paysages qui sont spledides...
nous n'y avons pas passé bcp de temps mais nos 12 jours ont été merveilleux en decembre 2004 et nous comptons bien y retourner car jsutement nous avions apprécié l'authenticité de ce pays, de ses gens et leur gentillesse
je ne parle pas des monuments et paysages qui sont spledides...
tous les bons moments pris ne sont plus à prendre !
Il suffit en fait d'aller voir le profil de l'auteur du post pour comprendre tout de suite qu'en écrivant sous la rubrique "autres intérets" le mot "automobile" et on aura tout compris.
j'avais des doutes sur la birmanie mais je te remercie je n'en ai plus sur la belgique! a ceux qui se referent aux sages dans leurs posts nous pauvres ignares ne comprenons pas! AH ma bonne mere quand il y aura des routes, les karens prendront rangoon!Thuan as tu dejà les photos? en attendant qu'un autre belge viennent te dire "je pense comme thuan"...C'est uniquement de l'humour, puisque c'est la chose que l'on partage le moins ! et bravo pour ce post: un modele! by by !😛
j'avais des doutes sur la birmanie mais je te remercie je n'en ai plus sur la belgique! a ceux qui se referent aux sages dans leurs posts nous pauvres ignares ne comprenons pas! AH ma bonne mere quand il y aura des routes, les karens prendront rangoon!Thuan as tu dejà les photos? en attendant qu'un autre belge viennent te dire "je pense comme thuan"...C'est uniquement de l'humour, puisque c'est la chose que l'on partage le moins ! et bravo pour ce post: un modele! by by !😛
Roger
Finalement, c'est pas si négatif que ça.. alors pourquoi ton premier message ? je pige pas trop... pourquoi ne pas dire juste qu'il n'est pas si facile ou reposant d'y voyager..
Phil
Voyages du bout de mon pinceau...
mingalaba,
je rejoins les forumistes j'ai été touchéee par l'humilité du peuple birman, leur gentillesse, leur sourire, , les paysages et temples à couper le soufle j'ai adoré, idem pour le Népal et l'Inde,
chacun voit avec son coeur, le tien n'était peu être pas près pour la Birmanie !
franca
<< .....notre soif de survie dans le futur nous rend incapables de vivre dans le présent .....>>. Chuang TZU
j'avais des doutes sur la birmanie mais je te remercie je n'en ai plus sur la belgique!
Cette réflexion est l'expression d'un racisme primaire dont l'auteur devrait avoir honte a moins qu'il ne "persiste et signe" auquel cas il ne mérite que le mépris.
Cette réflexion est l'expression d'un racisme primaire dont l'auteur devrait avoir honte a moins qu'il ne "persiste et signe" auquel cas il ne mérite que le mépris.
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
NBX
je t'ai donné mon avis suite à ton message concernant ton voyage touristique en Birmanie : sur VF la politesse veut que soit l'on remercie soit on répond de façon détaillée ?
que s'est-il passé ? manque de courage ?🤪 manque d'arguments ?😕 manque d'humour ?🙁
donc j'attends patiemment ...
cela fera peut-être sortir la discussion dans les ornières dans laquelle tu l'as mise ! ce qui est le plus sympathique c'est que tu n'en avais peut-être pas la moindre idée ! sur le site on doit apprendre les codes tout comme lorsque l'on va en visiteur dans un pays
Ceylana
marraîne d'une enfant Karen qui vit avec sa famille dans un camp de réfugiés en Thaïlande : enfant choisie de par ses origines (Karen et Birmane)
excuse-moi je n'avais ni vu ni lu ta réponse, qui s'adresse à tous ceux qui ont participé à la discussion, laquelle a dévié sur l'automobile ... !!! ... et après touché l'asphalte c'est devenu ... le petit véhicule ... !!! ... lequel devrait nous permettre d'arriver au Nirvana ... mais à vrai dire pas besoin d'avoir rendu l'âme pour ça !!
cela s'appelle aller au plus facile, or je viens de lire ta fiche et je me rends compte que tout le monde, et moi-même nous avons omis un détail d'importance (information) tu t'intérèsse à la géopolitique !! étrangement personne n'y à fait allusion
sans doute est-ce pour cela que tu te montres fort calme ! et bien élevé !
moi ! je te fais mes compliments !
je m'aperçois qu'ici on utilise une pratique (moi-même j'en ai fait partie avec toi et je m'en excuse, car c'était idiot et non gratuit contrairement à la formule consacré (c'est gratuit)) donc une pratique punie par la loi : le bizutage !
moi-même j'ai su que des bruits couraient sur moi : je n'ai jamais su quoi, mais je reconnu certains auteurs qui avancent sur le site à visage couvert !! certes on doit sortir couvert mais là nous sommes dans le virtuel !!
à ++ Ceylana
cela s'appelle aller au plus facile, or je viens de lire ta fiche et je me rends compte que tout le monde, et moi-même nous avons omis un détail d'importance (information) tu t'intérèsse à la géopolitique !! étrangement personne n'y à fait allusion
sans doute est-ce pour cela que tu te montres fort calme ! et bien élevé !
moi ! je te fais mes compliments !
je m'aperçois qu'ici on utilise une pratique (moi-même j'en ai fait partie avec toi et je m'en excuse, car c'était idiot et non gratuit contrairement à la formule consacré (c'est gratuit)) donc une pratique punie par la loi : le bizutage !
moi-même j'ai su que des bruits couraient sur moi : je n'ai jamais su quoi, mais je reconnu certains auteurs qui avancent sur le site à visage couvert !! certes on doit sortir couvert mais là nous sommes dans le virtuel !!
à ++ Ceylana
marraîne d'une enfant Karen qui vit avec sa famille dans un camp de réfugiés en Thaïlande : enfant choisie de par ses origines (Karen et Birmane)
je te cite
il (= qui ?) en tire leur petit plaisir égoiste du style le slogan des années 70's "Mon auto c'est ma liberté". L'automobile - qui est la meilleure et la pire des choses - tue et mutile (physiquement et moralement) plus que les guerres mais tant que cela ne nous touche pas directement on s'en fout
en 7O "Mon auto, c'est ma liberté" s'adressait à la tranche de population qui dès les années cinquante n'avait pas les moyens d'acquérir une automobile. Cela s'adressait aussi aux femmes lesquelles entraient en grand nombre dans la vie active.
mon = la mienne, objet personnel auto : langage familier s'adresse au plus grand nombre ma liberté : acquise depuis peu pour beaucoup ! grâce à elle les français sont partis en vacances, en famille, loin de leur lieu de vie !
la voiture c'était l'ouverture sur la société des loisirs !
par contre pourquoi n'avez-vous pas essayer de contrer NBX sur son autre centre d'intérêt qui a mes yeux est loin de manquer d'intérêt : la géopolitique
pourquoi ne pas quitter le champ de l'industrie automobile ! et d'aborder la Birmanie dans une optique géopolitique, là c'est du concret, ce n'est pas du "petit véhicule" mais du creuse méninges !!!
Ceylana
il (= qui ?) en tire leur petit plaisir égoiste du style le slogan des années 70's "Mon auto c'est ma liberté". L'automobile - qui est la meilleure et la pire des choses - tue et mutile (physiquement et moralement) plus que les guerres mais tant que cela ne nous touche pas directement on s'en fout
en 7O "Mon auto, c'est ma liberté" s'adressait à la tranche de population qui dès les années cinquante n'avait pas les moyens d'acquérir une automobile. Cela s'adressait aussi aux femmes lesquelles entraient en grand nombre dans la vie active.
mon = la mienne, objet personnel auto : langage familier s'adresse au plus grand nombre ma liberté : acquise depuis peu pour beaucoup ! grâce à elle les français sont partis en vacances, en famille, loin de leur lieu de vie !
la voiture c'était l'ouverture sur la société des loisirs !
par contre pourquoi n'avez-vous pas essayer de contrer NBX sur son autre centre d'intérêt qui a mes yeux est loin de manquer d'intérêt : la géopolitique
pourquoi ne pas quitter le champ de l'industrie automobile ! et d'aborder la Birmanie dans une optique géopolitique, là c'est du concret, ce n'est pas du "petit véhicule" mais du creuse méninges !!!
Ceylana
marraîne d'une enfant Karen qui vit avec sa famille dans un camp de réfugiés en Thaïlande : enfant choisie de par ses origines (Karen et Birmane)
Décidment, il suffit de mettre "déception" ou "décue" (cf site sur l'Inde), d'écrire deux trois lieux communs, de se plaindre de choses matérielles pour voir exploser le nombre de réactions a un post qui n'en mérite aucune.
Il suffit en fait d'aller voir le profil de l'auteur du post pour comprendre tout de suite qu'en écrivant sous la rubrique "autres intérets" le mot "automobile" et on aura tout compris
ALLER VOiR LE PROFIL DE L'AUTEUR !!!
C'est une reponse tellement stupide et agressive par rapport à une personne qui ne cherche qu'a partager un point de vue, que je me suis moi aussi situé sur le terrain de la betise! (Mais meme là tu n'as pas compris )!!!Alors tes grands mots !... pour les mots, j'ai une profonde admiration pour BEDOS( un belge, tiens!) qui lui savait les manipuler intelligement, ceux ci pour dire qu'evidemment je n'ai rien contre les belges, ce qui m'effraie c'est la betise lorsqu'elle se double de mechanceté !
ALLER VOiR LE PROFIL DE L'AUTEUR !!!
C'est une reponse tellement stupide et agressive par rapport à une personne qui ne cherche qu'a partager un point de vue, que je me suis moi aussi situé sur le terrain de la betise! (Mais meme là tu n'as pas compris )!!!Alors tes grands mots !... pour les mots, j'ai une profonde admiration pour BEDOS( un belge, tiens!) qui lui savait les manipuler intelligement, ceux ci pour dire qu'evidemment je n'ai rien contre les belges, ce qui m'effraie c'est la betise lorsqu'elle se double de mechanceté !
Roger
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After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
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Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.





