Je prépare notre circuit (en voiture) en AFS pour les vacances scolaires d'octobre 2015 (début 15/10 retour 01/11) et je récolte pleins d'infos sur ce forum (merci...)
Nous sommes 2 adultes et 1 enfant de 10 ans
Le circuit n'est pas encore définitif mais il sera classique :
- Le Cap (4-5 nuits)
- Vol vers Durban puis (3-4) nuits à Sainte Lucie et environs
- Traversée du Swaziland (1-2 nuits)
- Kruger (3 nuits)
- Blyde River / route panorama pour dormir 2 nuits vers Hazyvizew avec visite d'Elephant Whispers
- vol retour par JOH (sans visite)
Si vous pouviez déjà m'éclairer sur les quelques points suivants, ce serait génial !
- par rapport à la méteo (pluies) : vaut il me commencer par Le Cap ou plutôt par le coté Kruger (même si une année ne ressemble pas à une autre...)
- est ce raisonnable de prévoir en une journée : départ du CAP, Hermanus et retour Le CAP par les vignobles ?
- A Hermanus, un tour en bateau est il nécessaire (ou peut on bien voir les baleines de la côte)
- Kruger : c'est très difficile de s'imaginer (et prévoir) le temps de route dans le Kruger (40 à 50 km/heure, arrêts pour les animaux) => est ce que ce programme vous semble OK :
* 2 nuits à Skukuza pour faire une journée : game drive le matin et self drive fin d'après midi
* départ le matin de Skukuza (self drive) pour dormir le soir à Olifant
* départ le lendemain pour sortir par Phalaborwa pour dormir au Forever Resort Blyde (temps de trajet ?)
* départ du Forever Resort Blyde et descendre par la Panorama Route (en prenant notre temps pour Bourke's, les cascades, etc...voire même Pilmgrest) ? (Et quelle ville choisir pour la nuit : Graskop ou Sabie ou Haziview )
Je précise que nous souhaitons arriver le soir à l’hôtel avant la tombée de la nuit...
Bonjour, ci dessous quelques réponses et mon carnet de voyage de fin 2013 sur ce même parcours... profitez en bien !
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6396376;#6396376
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Bonjour,
Je prépare notre circuit (en voiture) en AFS pour les vacances scolaires d'octobre 2015 (début 15/10 retour 01/11) et je récolte pleins d'infos sur ce forum (merci...)
Nous sommes 2 adultes et 1 enfant de 10 ans
Le circuit n'est pas encore définitif mais il sera classique :
- Le Cap (4-5 nuits)
- Vol vers Durban puis (3-4) nuits à Sainte Lucie et environs
- Traversée du Swaziland (1-2 nuits)
- Kruger (3 nuits)
- Blyde River / route panorama pour dormir 2 nuits vers Hazyvizew avec visite d'Elephant Whispers
- vol retour par JOH (sans visite)
Si vous pouviez déjà m'éclairer sur les quelques points suivants, ce serait génial !
- par rapport à la méteo (pluies) : vaut il me commencer par Le Cap ou plutôt par le coté Kruger (même si une année ne ressemble pas à une autre...) : --> pas vraiment d'importance coté météo, mais je crois que les baleines sont + présentes en octobre qu'en novembre... par contre les vols sont - chers sur joburg
- est ce raisonnable de prévoir en une journée : départ du CAP, Hermanus et retour Le CAP par les vignobles ?
--> dommage de ne pas passer la nuit a hermanus, + une autre dans les vignobles
- A Hermanus, un tour en bateau est il nécessaire (ou peut on bien voir les baleines de la côte) --> oui on les voit très bien de la cote et il y a un joli sentier cotier très agréable, c'est bien sécurisé aussi
- Kruger : c'est très difficile de s'imaginer (et prévoir) le temps de route dans le Kruger (40 à 50 km/heure, arrêts pour les animaux) => est ce que ce programme vous semble OK :
* 2 nuits à Skukuza pour faire une journée : game drive le matin et self drive fin d'après midi
* départ le matin de Skukuza (self drive) pour dormir le soir à Olifant
* départ le lendemain pour sortir par Phalaborwa pour dormir au Forever Resort Blyde (temps de trajet ?)
* départ du Forever Resort Blyde et descendre par la Panorama Route (en prenant notre temps pour Bourke's, les cascades, etc...voire même Pilmgrest) ? (Et quelle ville choisir pour la nuit : Graskop ou Sabie ou Haziview )
--> pour le kruger je te laisse regarder mon carnet, dommage de faire 2 nuit à skukuza d'autres camps sont plus sympas, surtout si tu reserves a l'avance. Pour les canyon je te conseille sans hésiter le graskop hotel, très bien et central par rapport aux attractions
Je précise que nous souhaitons arriver le soir à l’hôtel avant la tombée de la nuit...
- Météo : pas de conseil particulier, c'est la mi-saison donc les beaux jours s'installent progressivement au Cap (dont le climat reste très changeant) et les pluies commencent à s'installer au Kruger. Dans l'absolu il faudrait mieux commencer par le Kruger mais je ne suis pas sur que cela fasse une très grande différence
- journée cap-hermanus-vignobles-cap : possible oui mais probablement un peu dommage de faire tout ça aussi vite. Une nuit à Franschoek pour profiter du joli coin et des bonnes tables pourrait être une bonne idée tout en vous permettant de prendre le temps de profiter des baleines.
- Hermanus : c'est la pleine saison donc vous verrez des baleines mais impossible de savoir si vous allez bien les voir (voir une baleine qui saute à 100m ou trois amorphes à 500m ne laisse pas le même souvenir) surtout si vous y consacrez une seule après-midi. Il y a des jours calmes et d'autres fastes. Lorsque nous y étions début septembre (2 jours), les deux jours ne se ressemblaient pas du tout niveau activité "baleinière" (au grand désarroi d'un groupe de français arrivé le mauvais jour). Le tour en bateau c'est une garantie de voir des baleines en nombre et très près (nous l'avons fait après avoir hésité et nous n'avons pas été déçus, ils coupent le moteur pour laisser les baleines approcher).
- Kruger : passer deux nuits dans le même camp est une bonne idée mais j'aurais tendance à conseiller Lower Sabie plutôt que Skukuza (plus grand, moins joli). Nous avons fait un morning drive mémorable à Lower Sabie fin août (même si ça ne veut rien dire). Pour la troisième nuit, Satara est moins loin qu'Oliphant et dans une zone avec plus d'activité animale. Pourquoi ne pas sortir par Orpen plutot que Phalaborwa et en profiter pour rayonner autour de Satara ?
Bonne remarque sur les baleines en octobre, de toute façon la météo reste un élément très aléatoire et je vois qu'en ce moment même, il pleut pas mal là bas.
Je vais étudier la possibilité de rajouter une nuit à Hermanus ou dans les vignobles ça peut être sympa.
J'en profite pour remercier Bardamu76 (je vais programmer un tour en bateau à Hermanus) !
Pour le Kruger je vais revoir avec Lower Sabie (au lieu de Skukuza) puis Satara (au lieu de monter vers Olifant) puis sortir vers Orpen Gate (sans passer par le Nord au Forever Resort Blyde) ... à voir...
Cela me permettra de rester vers Graskop ou Sabie ou Haziview pour 2 ou 3 nuits et faire la Panorama route et Elephant wispers, pilmgrest, les cascades, ...
Mais quelle ville choisir, j'ai vu que l'altitude (et donc la température) n'est pas la même entre Graskop (1400 m) et Haziview (460 m). Peut on facilement faire un aller retour en une journée pour voir la Panorama Route au départ de ces 3 villes ? J
J'essaye toujours de rester au même endroit pour rayonner et éviter de changer d'hôtel chaque jour...
Je vais aussi revoir les détails sur la région de Sainte Lucie où je compte faire Hluhuwe, Cape Vidal, l'estuaire, snorkeling en Oct ?, ... mais peut être aussi UBIZAN, si vous avez des conseils, je suis preneur.
c'est dommage de ne pas passr une nuit à olifant (pas pour les bungalows un peu vieillots, mais pour le point de vue avant de partir le matin ou au retour au camp le soir).
pour tout visiter autour de graskop 2 nuits suffisent (ou 2 jours / 1 nuit), je préfère graskop pour ma part (après l'incertitude concernera surtout le brouillard en début de journée notamment)...
La ville la plus pratique et centrale pour la Panorama route est clairement Graskop qui en plus n'est pas une bourgade désagréable (spécialisée dans les pancakes si les souvenirs sont bons). Hazyview brille surtout par sa proximité avec le Kruger. Dans tous les cas, la circulation se fait facilement, les routes sont bonnes et les distances relativement limitées.
Pour revenir au Kruger : oui Oliphant a un superbe point de vue et est probablement le plus beau camp du parc mais niveau faune ce n'est vraiment pas la zone la plus favorable à la rencontre avec les félins (idem pour la zone phalaborwa). Satara offre beaucoup plus de chances de voir des lions voire des guépards pour les plus chanceux. J'aurais tendance à conseiller une 4ème nuit dans le kruger pour voir Oliphant ou alors d'aller voir le point de vue en journée (en partant à l'ouverture des portes de Satara, vous pouvez facilement être à Oliphant pour le petit déjeuner). A vous de voir.
je ne connais pas assez bien la zone de Saint Lucia pour bien vous conseiller.
Bonjour,
pour la partie St Lucia, une seule nuit me semble peu.
plusieurs bons plans.
un boat tour dans la lagune pour les hippos et les crocs.
un boat de mer pour les baleines...juste le boat c'est déjà une avneture qui n'a rien à voir avec Hermanus.
une journée dans l'Isimangaliso park.
Pour la partie Swazi...Une étape à Hlane n'est pas inutile voir à Mkhaya selon le temps passé en pays swazi et son porte monnaie...
Pour la partie Ste Lucie (après Le Cap et avant le Kruger) voilà le programme (non définitif...)
J1 / vols vers DURBAN à 9h05-11h / route vers St Lucie nuit à Ste Lucie
J2 / Isimangilso Self Drive + plage à Cape Vidal nuit à Ste Lucie
J3 / Bateau estuaire de 10h à 12h/ baleines en bateau l'après midi ou ??? (crocodile Center ?) nuit à Ste Lucie
J4 / matin ??? / 1 heure de route vers Ubizan pour safari à 14h00/15h00 pour 2 heures nuit à Ubizan
J5 / Hluhuwe safari matin (à 6h00) puis PD / route Swaziland(4 heures de routes ??? ) nuit à Mlilwane Mantega
J6 / route vers Kruger / Lower Sabie / mini self drive en fin d'apres midi (16h30 à 18h00) 2 nuits à Kruger Lower Sabie
Je pensais passer 2 nuits au Swaziland en allant vers Kruger mais il faut choisir...
Le crocodile center à Ste Lucie est il sympa (surtout pour mon fils de 11 ans) ou est ce un "attrape touristes" sinon j'ai une après midi de libre et le lendemain matin avant de partir vers la réserve privée de Ubizan => autre chose à faire dans le coin ?
UBIZAN Wildlife reserve => Si quelqu'un a des infos sur cette réserve et son hôtellerie (Tree Lodge ou safari lodge) et sur leur Game Drive (ils proposent un afternoon Game Drive dans leur réserve et un game drive le lendemain dans Hluhuwe)
Pour le boat de mer à Ste Lucie : pourquoi cela n'a rien à voir avec Hermanus ?
Je suis preneur de toutes remarques ou suggestions 😉
J'aimerais vous soumettre mon circuit pour avis et quelques questions complémentaires.
1°) Quelques précisions
Nous sommes 2 adultes et un enfant de 11 ans
Départ le jeudi 15/10/2015 pour des raisons de congés scolaires
J'ai essayé de rester le plus possible dans le même hôtel (surtout au CAP) pour éviter de faire et refaire les bagages
J'ai privilégié 2 vols sans escales, c'est pour cette raison que je commence par JOH et je termine par Le Cap
2°) Le circuit
- J / arrivée JOH à 10h05 / route vers Forever Blyde Resort arrivée vers 18h00
- J+1 / Panorama Route Blyde River Canyon + rte des cascades par Sabie / Nuit à Haziview (pour être proche de elephant Wispers
- J+2 / elephant wispers 09h00 à 11h00 / 13h30 route vers Orpen Rd/H7 (100kms 2h) puis Satara / Nuit à Satara
- J+3 / route vers Lower Sabie, nuit
- J+4 / Kruger Lower Sabie / Matin Safari avec guide / après midi petit self drive / nuit à LSabie
- J+5 / route vers Swaziland après midi self-safari ou visite village ? / nuit à Hlane
- J+6 / route vers Ubizan Réserve privée / self à Ubizan ? / nuit à Ubizan ("l'hôtel un peu plus classe du circuit !)
- J+7 / Hluhuwe safari avec guide matin / Ubizan self safari 14 h ou 15h : nuit à Ubizan
- J+8 / route vers Ste lucie arrivée vers 12h00 croisière estuaire 15h ou 16h (nuit vers 18 h ?) / nuit à Ste Lucie
- J+9 / Isimangilso Self Drive + plage à Cape Vidal / nuit à Ste Lucie
- J+10 / route vers Durban arrivée 12h30 / vol vers le Cap à 15h35 arrivée 17h50 / hotel après 20h !!!
Pour les 6 nuits au CAP je pensais aller à HOUT BAY ?
- J+ 11 / table mountain mini 2h, kirtenbosch mini 3h, quartier malais, waterfront
- J+12 / Péninsule : chapman's peak, cape point retour simons town, boulders beach, kalk bay et muizenberg
- J+13 / Hermanus par la cote (2h30 / 150 kms // retour 1h45 / 125 kms ) avec les baleines en bateau
- J+14 / Route des vins Franckschoeck et Stellenbosch / le soir : Waterfront
- J+15 / 09h00 Robben Island (5h) / après midi : Waterfront ou Kirstenbosch
- J+16 / Matin : World Of Birds ou Kirstenbosch // 15H00 : route vers l'aéroport : Vol Le Cap à 19h25
3°) Quelques questions
- la route de JOH vers le Forever Blyde Resort n'est elle pas trop longue après le vol (5 heures selon maps) ? Quelle est la route la plus directe et facile ?
- Du coté Kruger ou Ste Lucie, la nuit se couche t'elle plus tot qu'au CAP (vers 18h00 en Oct et 19h au Cap ?)
- Que pensez vous d'Hout Bay pour y résider et rayonner ?
- Je ne sais pas encore dans quel ordre programmer les qq jours au CAP
Merci je suis preneur de toutes remarques ou infos !
Comme je l'écrivais...arrivez tôt à Hlane. Profitez des rhinos et faites un tour dans l'une des 3 parties de la réserve.
T'es sûr pour Ubizane ?
St Lucia, ok. Peut-être le tour en mer très tôt puis partir Isimangaliso (c'est faisable ++).
Hout bay c'est bien mais finalement isolé. Pour moi, sans conteste l'endroit le mieux situé c'est à Camps Bay.
Garde en tête: On se lève le matin (tôt si possible) et on regarde Table Mountain. Si on voit le sommet on y va ! Tout de suite. Si on ne voit pas on attend demain...ou si c'est décidemment le dernier jour, on y va quand même. TM c'est LE point pour lequel la météo est fondamentale. Si on y est à l'ouverture on n'attend pas !
La péninsule c'est 4 saisons le même jour.
Pour le reste à Cape Town, pourquoi pas ? Un petit tour sur Lion's Head ? Juste pour me faire plaisir...personne ne répond jamais oui !
Pourtant...
Dernier point : Effectivement arriver vers ton 1er stop le 1er jour est limite mais faisable...
Entre passer par la N vers le Mozambique puis plein nord au niveau de White River - Hazyview ou bifurquer avant en passant par Dulstroom puis Sabie- Graskop...Je choisis la seconde mais la première doit être un poil plus facile pour un J1.
Dernier, dernier. Oui il y a une différence entre Durban et Cape Town comme entre Strasbourg et Brest.
Je vais "creuser" le point Ubizane. L'idée était de dormir dans une réserve privée (les réserves privées au Kruger semblent bien plus chères) entre le Swaziland et Ste Lucie pour faire un peu moins de route puis pouvoir faire Hluhuwe tôt le matin en étant à côté...
Pour le CAP, j'ai bien compris que l'aspect météo est important pour le planning et, en ce qui concerne Lion's Head, on devrait avoir le temps d'y faire un tour...😉
Par contre je dois réfléchir sur les 3 premiers jours. Le trajet après l'aéroport me parait assez difficile et fatiguant. Mais j'ai promis à mon fils d'aller voir les éléphants à Elephant Wispers. C'est cette visite qui détermine le reste.
Pour les premiers jours, difficile de se rendre compte du trajet quand on ne connait pas, du temps qu'il faut (circulation, relief ?, ...)
Est ce que cela te semble "bien" et faisable :
J : arrivée du vol à 10h00 / départ après récup bagages, douane et voiture vers 13h00 (max j'espère) puis route et nuit à Lydenburg (Maps : 300 kms / 3h30) soit avec les arrêts, .... arrivée vers 18h00 max
J+1 : route R36 vers le Nord pour passer vers le Forever Blyde Resort et "descendre" la panomara route (R532) direction Graskop et poursuivre vers Haziview pour la nuit (au total Maps : 200 kms / 2h45). Avec les arrêts (falls, bourkes, ...) arrivée Haziview max 18h00
J+2 : Elephant Wispeers à 9h00 pour 2 heures, déjeuner puis route et nuit à Satara (en passant par Orpen Gate ?). Maps : 160 kms / 3 heures. Arrivée Satara Rest Camp avant 18h00
Nous étions à Sainte Lucie fin septembre 2013. Nous avons fait le matin l'estuaire et l'après midi l'océan pour voir les baleines. Ne pas hésiter il faut y aller. Cela fait partie des moments magiques de notre voyage. Attention il ne faut pas avoir le mal de mer...
J'ai fais le trajet sur Maps et je me disais que le trajet JOH- Lydenburg était faisable en distance et en temps tout en me rapprochant le plus possible de Blyde pour gagner du temps pour le lendemain.
Voilà pourquoi Lydenburg, que je voyais juste comme un nuit étape me rapprochant du Nord de la Panorama Route que je compte suivre vers le Sud plutôt que de venir de Graskop et faire l'aller retour avant d'aller sur Haziview....
C'est déjà rassurant que cette partie te semble OK mais je continue à creuser en tenant compte de tes suggestions !
J'ai prévu l'estuaire et j'espère pouvoir "caser" les baleines (même si je le fais aussi au CAP) mais le timing est tjs serré, il faut faire des choix difficiles !
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Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
Hi,
I’m heading to Angola for two weeks starting mid-April and I’d like to rent a car to explore the country, but not a 4x4 to keep my budget in check. I plan to mostly stay in the western part and go as far as the Namibian border. Is it possible to drive in Iona Park without a 4x4, or to get to Kalendula or Piedra Negras? Also, is the Lubango–Huambo–Kuito–Malanje route doable in a city car? Lastly, do gas stations accept Visa?
Thanks for your feedback and tips!
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions:
- Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)?
The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛).
- I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪)
- Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?