Layover canceled 4 months before the flight by Lufthansa
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Hi, I’m traveling to New Zealand in January 2026 with Lufthansa. To check the allowed baggage dimensions, I went to my "booking" account on the Lufthansa website. And that’s when I discovered that my last layover, the Zurich-Bordeaux flight operated by Swiffairlines, was canceled. I never received an email, and even worse, it’s not even noted on my booking. So I contacted Lufthansa. They told me that for now, there are no other flights but that there will be by the time I leave. They advised me to call them every week to get a flight. What do you think of their response? Has this ever happened to you? Emilie
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Wait another 15 days to a month—if the airline doesn’t find a solution, ask for a refund. You won’t face any penalties. You can also start looking at other flights to check prices and get an idea. Also consider departing from Toulouse; Lufthansa has flights leaving from there. You can request that from Lufthansa without penalties if there are no other options.
Cordialement, Patrick.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
And then, I found out that my last layover, the Zurich-Bordeaux flight

Hey, what are you talking about? I assume it’s the first or last connecting flight? After that, to get a refund, you’ll need to check the terms and conditions again to see if the refund option was a paid add-on. If it wasn’t, you’ll have a hard time getting your money back.
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Hi, No, the sales conditions don’t apply since it’s the airline canceling part of the ticket, so they’re entitled to a full refund with no penalties if they don’t want to wait for an arrangement with Lufthansa—regardless of the ticket class.
Cordialement, Patrick.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi,

No, if the airline no longer operates to the destination, they cancel and refund you in full. The terms and conditions don’t matter in this case.

Michel
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi,

The terms and conditions don’t matter here.

By terms and conditions, I mean options on the flight ticket. In most cases, the airline offers two, if not three, options. And depending on the options, for an extra fee, you can change the ticket or even cancel it and get a refund.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
By "terms of sale," I mean options on the flight ticket. In most cases, the airline offers two, if not three, options. And depending on the options, for an extra fee, you can change the ticket or even cancel it and get a refund.

When the airline can no longer get you to your destination under conditions very close to the original ones, we cancel without fees and part ways as friends, regardless of the terms of sale.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
If the flight is canceled or changed by the airline, the conditions stated at the time of purchase don’t apply.

The airline must ask the passenger whether they accept the change (or another option) or if they’d prefer a full refund.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
they cancel without fees and we part ways as friends, without considering the terms of sale.

Canceling without fees is fine, sure, if it’s possible. Maybe there’s some European legislation on this, but I don’t have time to dig into it. Just now, I did a quick search for a Lyon to Bangkok flight on Lufthansa’s site, for example.

If you pay for the cheapest ticket, you won’t get a refund and you can’t change your flight
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
If the flight is canceled or modified by the airline, the conditions stated at the time of purchase do not apply. The airline must ask the passenger whether they accept the change (or another option) or if they prefer a full refund.

Can anyone tell me where this is specified?
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Canceling without fees is fine if it’s possible. Maybe there’s some European legislation on this, but I don’t have time to dig into it.

When you order a product and it’s not delivered, you get a refund—that’s pretty standard. No need for European legislation for that.

Michel
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
When you order a product and it isn't delivered, you get a refund—that’s pretty standard. No need for European legislation for that.

Did you see the message you’re replying to? I just edited it. Also, this is a bit of bad faith—you don’t buy a flight ticket like you’d buy a kilo of potatoes at the grocery store. Let’s not exaggerate.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
If you buy a Bordeaux-Zurich-Bangkok-Auckland round-trip ticket, and on the way back you're left stranded on the tarmac in Zurich, you can only be fully refunded if the alternative offer they propose doesn’t work for you.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Here

( Okay, this isn’t valid worldwide, but in this case, it is.)
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EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello, It's important to start by clarifying the current rules under Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council and the case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union.

When an airline cancels a flight, it must SIMULTANEOUSLY offer the choice between: - a refund - re-routing "as soon as possible" - or, if it suits the passenger better, re-routing at a later date.

Re-routing must be offered without any additional cost, even in a higher class, and must be provided "as soon as possible," whether through its own flights or those of another airline, even if it’s not part of the same alliance.

If the passenger opts for a refund, it must be processed within 7 days.

No compensation is due if the passenger is informed of the cancellation more than 14 days in advance. So, it’s not a good idea to let the airline know you’ve noticed the cancellation more than 14 days ahead.

That’s the theory.

In practice, you’ll find that Lufthansa blatantly violates these obligations (with everything useful, including forms, court submissions, and the judgment): https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/10/23/lufthansa-championne-du-refus-des-droits-des-passagers/

In summary: Lufthansa cancels a flight well in advance and doesn’t hesitate to claim, in the same message, that no re-routing is available—even when options exist. After the passenger insists, Lufthansa eventually agrees to re-route but cancels it the very next day!

The passenger then requests a refund. Lufthansa ignores them. So, legal action is taken. Since Lufthansa is based in a different EU member state than where the passenger resides, the "European Small Claims Procedure" is used. This highly simplified process is done by mail.

Unsurprisingly, Lufthansa was ordered to refund the passenger (plus 200 € and legal costs) but chose to fight until the judgment was issued. Yet, a month and a half later, Lufthansa still hadn’t complied with the ruling. So, the passenger hires a judicial officer (the new term for bailiffs). Conveniently, there’s one in the same building as Lufthansa’s offices in France. The passenger advances 80 €. The judicial officer serves the judgment to their neighbor.

Things move quickly after that: the same day, Lufthansa refunds the canceled flight ticket. The passenger’s lawyer reminds Lufthansa’s lawyer that the additional 200 € is still owed. Lufthansa pays a few days later.

Then, a message is sent to Lufthansa’s lawyer reminding them that since their client was ordered to pay legal costs, they must reimburse the 80 € the passenger advanced for serving the judgment.

No response, so another reminder.

Still no response, so another reminder—this time specifying that the passenger would hire the judicial officer again, but for a bank account seizure this time.

To be precise: in this case, the passenger would have had to advance 150 € to the judicial officer, with about 20 € remaining their responsibility after seizing Lufthansa’s bank account.

It took a little more patience, but Lufthansa eventually reimbursed the 80 €. The link above will soon be updated regarding these 80 €.

One clarification: the passenger requested a refund because they found another flight themselves at the same price.

But if they had only found a more expensive ticket, they wouldn’t have claimed a refund for the canceled flight. Instead, they would have demanded, as per their rights, reimbursement for the price difference—with the same certainty of success, as the legal texts on these matters are "clear-cut."

The only real challenge is patience, especially when dealing with Lufthansa—the champion of resisting passenger rights.

Best regards
https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Totally agree—once the ticket sold isn’t honored, no matter which segment is canceled, you ask for a full refund with no penalty. For a change of less than 2 hours, you can’t ask for a refund but have to accept the change. But in this case, it’s clear-cut: she’s entitled to a full refund if she requests it. Now, she can wait for them to make an offer—it’s up to her. There’s still time for that.
Cordialement, Patrick.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello, No matter if the passenger found out about the flight cancellation on their own. As long as the passenger hasn’t received a message from the airline informing them of the cancellation, they absolutely shouldn’t make any kind of request!

Best regards
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Except that in this case, she called the airline, which told her that the flight in question was indeed canceled and that they had no replacement offer for her. They also said she’d have to wait without knowing if another flight would be scheduled. As of today, the contract is broken.
Cordialement, Patrick.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello, This means NO WRITTEN information confirming the cancellation. As a result, the passenger doesn’t need to ask for ANYTHING. Best regards
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
She can still ask Lufthansa if it’s possible—it doesn’t hurt.
Cordialement, Patrick.
AP Ap18 Regular ·
Hi there, You mentioned "Booking" as the site where you made your reservation. So your only point of contact is Booking. It’s not looking good!
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
She can still ask Lufthansa if it’s possible, it doesn’t hurt.

Hi, No! Just a reminder: you’re entitled to compensation if the passenger is informed of the cancellation less than 14 days before (regardless of whether the ticket was bought through an intermediary or not). So, it’s not a good idea—more than 14 days in advance—to let the airline know you’re aware of the cancellation, despite the lack of information from the airline.

Also, in case of a flight cancellation, whether the ticket was bought directly or through an intermediary, the airline is required to offer a choice between: - a refund; - re-routing under comparable transport conditions "as soon as possible"; - re-routing at a later date if that works better for the passenger.

The choice of one of these three options is irrevocable.

If the ticket was bought through an intermediary, the refund will have to go through them, which can be a hassle.

However, the obligation to re-route is exclusively the airline’s responsibility (not the intermediary’s). So, if no re-routing is offered (and, I insist, if no refund has been requested), the passenger can buy a new ticket (same departure and arrival airports, with or without a layover) and demand reimbursement for the price difference from the airline (not the intermediary) + meals and accommodation costs, if applicable, while waiting for the re-routing flight or during an unexpected layover.

These obligations apply regardless of when the passenger was informed of the cancellation.

All of this is in addition to any potential compensation if the passenger was informed less than 14 days before.

Best regards
https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Additional clarification:

The cancellation and the re-routing offer must be simultaneous.

Best regards
https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com

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