Petite question pour les spécialistes ...
Pour une boucle dans l'Ouest américain, vaut-il mieux commencer par Los Angeles ou San Francisco ?
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TWISM
Départ du circuit dans l'Ouest américain: Los Angeles ou San Francisco?
by JayJay11
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Ni l'un ni l'autre .... l'idéal serait de faire la côte californienne SF + LA puis rejoindre l'Arizona, Utah et repartir de Las Vegas ou Phoenix, ce qui évite une longue et inutile journée de bagnole .... ou l'inverse !
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" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
As-tu déjà ton billet d'avion? Sinon, je te propose la formule que ns avons choisie lors de notre premier voyage aux States.
Ns avions pris la formule "open jaws" qui te permet d'atterrir à los Angeles et de repartir de Frisco. Cela réduit les kilomètres et te permet la boucle dans un sens ou ds l'autre. Nous avions commencé par LA par choix (je voulais faire une boucle au Yellowstone au retour) et nous avions zappé la côte (1000kms) pcq on trouvait qu'il y avait assez à voir sans ça et que la côte ns semblait moins intéressante.... Certaines compagnies d'aviation te permettent l'open jaws sans supplément de prix (en fait ils font la moyenne entre le prix du billet vers Los Angeles et celui vers Frisco) ainsi que 2 stops gratuits (l'un à aller et l'autre au retour). United airlines par exemple le fait... Les stops gratuits te permettent aussi d'écourter ton trajet en voiture. Nous avions opté pour un stop à New-York à l'aller puisque les enfants voulaient voir cette ville et au retour, nous avions pris le stop à Salt lake city pour ne pas faire la route de Frisco à salt lake en voiture (encore 1000km de gagnés.) et nous permettre de faire le Yellowstone en plus de la boucle dont tu parles.
Nous avons fait 4 circuits à l'Ouest (les trajets sont à ta disposition si cela t'intéresse) et si tu as des questions, tu peux les poser, je t'expliquerai à chaque fois la formule que nous avons prise et pourquoi. Cela te permettra de te faire une opinion. Quant à partir de Vegas, je l'ai fait aussi ms uniquement pour ne pas refaire des routes déjà connues. Je ne trouve pas cela intéressant si c'est ton premier voyage...De combien de temps disposes-tu et que veux-tu voir?
Au plaisir de te renseigner; j'adore ce pays!...
marolo
Merci pour cette longue réponse !
Nous voulons partir l'été prochain, pour notre voyage de noces, et pour la première fois aux Etats-Unis ... C'est une evnie commune, et notre choix c'est vite porté sur l'Ouest ... Pour des raisons de calendrier (enfin, surtout les patrons de ma future épouse ! 😠), nous ne pouvons partir qu'en Août, avec un retour début septembre ...
Nous pensons faire une boucle avec dans l'ordre (ou le désordre) : Los Angeles / Laughlin / Grand Canyon / Monument Valley / Lake Powell / Bryce Canyon / Las Vegas / Death Valley / Yosemite / San Francisco ...
On pense rester environ entre 16 et 18 jours sur place ... Si l'on reste plus longtemps, ça risque d'être difficile pour notre budget ... Et on veut voir le maximum san faire 600 km de route par jour, et en prenant quand même notre temps pour les visites ...
Nous voulons partir l'été prochain, pour notre voyage de noces, et pour la première fois aux Etats-Unis ... C'est une evnie commune, et notre choix c'est vite porté sur l'Ouest ... Pour des raisons de calendrier (enfin, surtout les patrons de ma future épouse ! 😠), nous ne pouvons partir qu'en Août, avec un retour début septembre ...
Nous pensons faire une boucle avec dans l'ordre (ou le désordre) : Los Angeles / Laughlin / Grand Canyon / Monument Valley / Lake Powell / Bryce Canyon / Las Vegas / Death Valley / Yosemite / San Francisco ...
On pense rester environ entre 16 et 18 jours sur place ... Si l'on reste plus longtemps, ça risque d'être difficile pour notre budget ... Et on veut voir le maximum san faire 600 km de route par jour, et en prenant quand même notre temps pour les visites ...
TWISM
Et alors ça sepasserait comment en passant par Phoenix ?
Phoenix > Grand Canyon ?
Et pour rajouter Moab ?
Phoenix > Grand Canyon ?
Et pour rajouter Moab ?
TWISM
tu dois pouvoir faire : Phoenix-GC-MV-MOAB-BRYCE ......pour finir à SF .en incorporant lake powel, zion, LV, yosemite ....
mais tout dépend de ce que tu as envie et surtout du temps à y consacrer . ainsi tu evites un trajet LA-GC qui a peu d'interet par apport à tout le reste, surtout la premiere fois
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philippe du lot
Bonjour,
Nous souhaitons partir découvrir l'ouest des Stat avec ma famille 4 enfants ( 2ans, 4 ans, 8ans et 12 ans ) et mon épouse, 4 semaines. On devait partir début août, mais on nous a conseillé de partir mi-juillet pour éviter les températures du mois d'août !!! Peux-tu me conseiller sur les billets d'avion, j'ai trouvé 4300 euro pour la famille Paris--> LOS ANGELES --> PARIS, car si on va LOS angeles et on repart à d'un autre ville c'est plus cher . Merci pour tes conseils.
Nous souhaitons partir découvrir l'ouest des Stat avec ma famille 4 enfants ( 2ans, 4 ans, 8ans et 12 ans ) et mon épouse, 4 semaines. On devait partir début août, mais on nous a conseillé de partir mi-juillet pour éviter les températures du mois d'août !!! Peux-tu me conseiller sur les billets d'avion, j'ai trouvé 4300 euro pour la famille Paris--> LOS ANGELES --> PARIS, car si on va LOS angeles et on repart à d'un autre ville c'est plus cher . Merci pour tes conseils.
bonjour,
Je ne sais pas si je serai de bon conseil pour les billets d'avion pcq je vois que tu pars de Paris. Je suis toujours partie de Bruxelles. Les prix peuvent donc varier. Celque tu as trouvé ne me semle pas super intéressant ms je n'ai pas regardé les prix cette année et suis donc mauvais juge. Je suis souvent partie avec www.connections.be qui fait des conditions pour le moment. (book & pay, càd que tu paies aujourd'hui en carte VISA et que les billets sont émis directement mais ils sont moins chers) tu as aussi www.airstop.be
Par contre, qu'ils te demandent plus cher pour repartir d'une autre ville, je ne comprends pas pcq le principe est le suivant : tu comptes Paris-los Angeles (aller- retour): 400€ (par exemple)+ Paris-Las Vegas :300€ = 700€ divisé par 2 = 350€. C'est le principe de base.Ce n'est donc pas plus cher sauf si la 2e ville que tu choisis avait un prix supérieur pcq destination moins demandée (ex. Salt lake city, Jacksonville ou que sais-je ).
Question températures, juillet et août se valent, d'après moi et c'est chaud!(surtout avec un petit bout de 2ans)...ms pour moi très supportable (question personnelle évidemment)...Par contre, au plus tu avances ds la saison, au moins tu auras du vert et de l'eau au profit du jaune et du brun (brûlé par le soleil). Au plus tôt donc, au mieux.
Je ne sais pas quel périple tu vas faire mais si tu en as l'occasion : Mesa Verde avait bcp plu à mes enfants pcq qu'il y a des échelles de corde à escalader pour visiter les habitations des indiens azanazis et on se cache ds les kivas (habitation sous terre); c'est au colorado à la frontière de l'utah
Je répondrai à d'autres questions si tu en as et te souhaite une bonne recherche.
marolo
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I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
Hi VF community,
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
Hi there,
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hey everyone!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!