Bonjour,
Est-il toujours possible de se faire déposer au fond du Grand Canyon ?
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Dépose au fond du Grand Canyon?
by Stgeran69
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Il est possible de rejoindre par hélico la réserve indienne Havasupai, au fond du Grand Canyon, mais c'est 50 ou 100 miles à l'Ouest de GC Village. On peut coucher en bas à Supai, chez les Indiens où il y a un lodge (assez cher) et un camping. Egalement une mini épicerie très minimaliste (mais on peut y acheter pour bouffer sommaire).
L'endroit est sublime et je pèse mes mots : chutes d'eau extraordinaire, habitations des Indiens, leurs cultures, ...).
Mais même arrivé au village, il faut encore marcher 3 ou 4 km pour aller aux chutes (il y en a plusieurs en série) et 2 fois plus pour arriver au Colorado. On peut aussi louer un cheval aux Indiens.
La baignade sous les chutes est sans conteste un des points forts du voyage.
OK, l'hélico est possible. Mais c'est bien plus sympa de descendre à Supai à pied par le lit d'un ruiseau (environ 15km de marche ; pour cela il faut trouver où laisser l'auto au bord du Canyon (il y a un parking), à une centaine de km à vol d'oiseau au Nord de Seligman qui est sur la route 66. Il y a aussi des mules qui partent du même parking, organisés par les Indiens du bas, soit pour descendre les marchandises à Supai, soit pour descendre ou remonter des touristes (il y a un poids limite !). Prendre de l'eau et des provisions (l'épicerie du bas est si mal achalandée, et si chère). Puis remonter à pîed se fait très bien, mais l'été il faut partir au lever du soleil pour éviter les fortes chaleurs. On est de retour au parking vers midi.
Etonnant : il y a aussi en bas un bureau de poste, et si tu envoies une lettre ou une carte de là, elle portera un cachet unique et magnifique "mule train post". En effet le courrier remonte à la civilisation par le train de mules.
En résumé : à faire absolument, car 1/ les paysages sont sublimes 2/ c'est bien moins connu au fond du Grand Canyon que "Phantom Ranch", beaucoup plus beau, et il y a moins de monde. 3/ mais j'ai été déçu par les Indiens pour lesquels ce tourisme a changé leur mode de vie. Avant ils étaient au paradis terrestre, mais devaient travailler (cultiver) un peu. Maintenant, ils retirent leur fric des quelques touristes, boivent du coca-cola, sont obèses, et pas sympas.
Voir la photo d'une des chutes en pièce jointe. Bonne baignade.
OK, l'hélico est possible. Mais c'est bien plus sympa de descendre à Supai à pied par le lit d'un ruiseau (environ 15km de marche ; pour cela il faut trouver où laisser l'auto au bord du Canyon (il y a un parking), à une centaine de km à vol d'oiseau au Nord de Seligman qui est sur la route 66. Il y a aussi des mules qui partent du même parking, organisés par les Indiens du bas, soit pour descendre les marchandises à Supai, soit pour descendre ou remonter des touristes (il y a un poids limite !). Prendre de l'eau et des provisions (l'épicerie du bas est si mal achalandée, et si chère). Puis remonter à pîed se fait très bien, mais l'été il faut partir au lever du soleil pour éviter les fortes chaleurs. On est de retour au parking vers midi.
Etonnant : il y a aussi en bas un bureau de poste, et si tu envoies une lettre ou une carte de là, elle portera un cachet unique et magnifique "mule train post". En effet le courrier remonte à la civilisation par le train de mules.
En résumé : à faire absolument, car 1/ les paysages sont sublimes 2/ c'est bien moins connu au fond du Grand Canyon que "Phantom Ranch", beaucoup plus beau, et il y a moins de monde. 3/ mais j'ai été déçu par les Indiens pour lesquels ce tourisme a changé leur mode de vie. Avant ils étaient au paradis terrestre, mais devaient travailler (cultiver) un peu. Maintenant, ils retirent leur fric des quelques touristes, boivent du coca-cola, sont obèses, et pas sympas.
Voir la photo d'une des chutes en pièce jointe. Bonne baignade.
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Dans la vie, le pire qui pourrait nous arriver serait qu'il ne nous arrive rien !
Dans la vie, le pire qui pourrait nous arriver serait qu'il ne nous arrive rien !
Bonjour,
Je vois que vous êtes Lyonnais comme moi (Corbas) ! (allez l'OL !)
Merci pour votre réponse complète et informative. Nous partons à 4 "potes" en 2007 mais je prospecte en avance car un voyage de 3 semaines, cela se prépare ! Je fouille un peu partout pour les infos et ce forum est une mine ! Nous pensons arriver pour le coucher de soleil au Grand Canyon, rester un jour entier et repartir le lendemin pour voir encore le lever du soleil. Un conseil pour l'hôtel n'est pas de refus. @+
Je vois que vous êtes Lyonnais comme moi (Corbas) ! (allez l'OL !)
Merci pour votre réponse complète et informative. Nous partons à 4 "potes" en 2007 mais je prospecte en avance car un voyage de 3 semaines, cela se prépare ! Je fouille un peu partout pour les infos et ce forum est une mine ! Nous pensons arriver pour le coucher de soleil au Grand Canyon, rester un jour entier et repartir le lendemin pour voir encore le lever du soleil. Un conseil pour l'hôtel n'est pas de refus. @+
Nous partons à 4 "potes" en 2007 mais je prospecte en avance car un voyage de 3 semaines, cela se prépare ! Tu as bien raison. J'ai fais de même et encore j'ai raté pleins de choses.
Nous pensons arriver pour le coucher de soleil au Grand Canyon, rester un jour entier et repartir le lendemin pour voir encore le lever du soleil.
Un conseil pour l'hôtel n'est pas de refus. Nous avons dormi au Bright Angel Lodge, l'hôtel le plus près de la faille (et d'après ce que j'ai vu le moins cher). J'avais réservé (au moins 6 mois avant !!) une western cabin : ce sont des petits chalets individuels tout en bois très très joli. Il faut préciser si vous voulez une salle de bain dans la chambre (baignoire, lavabo et toilettes), sinon la douche est dans le couloir. Il est propre et bien géré. Il y a une grande cheminée dans le hall d'entrée où il y a la réception. Il y a des téléphones et un accès internet (payant) également au niveau de la réception. Quant tu traverses la réception, tu as la boutique sur la gauche et il y a une sortie sur une espèce d'esplanade : tu vois la faille là, à tes pieds, c'est magnifique !! J'ai trouvé cet hôtel vraiment très beau. Tu as pas mal de jolies photos sur internet sur le site de Xanterra.com qui gère en exclusivité ce park (et d'autres encore d'ailleurs).
Et niveau prix, on a payé 76 euros la nuit pour 3 personnes !! Ca vaut vraiment le coup et au moins tu te lèves le matin sur place !! C'est bien pratique pour voir le levée du soleil sur la faille..... 😉 @+
Et niveau prix, on a payé 76 euros la nuit pour 3 personnes !! Ca vaut vraiment le coup et au moins tu te lèves le matin sur place !! C'est bien pratique pour voir le levée du soleil sur la faille..... 😉 @+
Bonne journée ! Une Corse... de Marseille
Bonjour,
Est-il toujours possible de se faire déposer au fond du Grand Canyon ?
On s'est fait déposer au fond du grand canyon quand nous avons fait le tour en hélico. ; nous sommes passés par Papillon.com (les meilleurs d'après ce que j'ai compris).
Mon expérience en détail :
J'avais donc pris la formule avec Papillon (papillon.com) le "grand cruise celebration" à 264 euros par personne. Là aussi, on s'est vraiment laché !!! J'ai été ravie et fière de moi, je n'ai pas eu peur du tout. Pour mon baptème d'hélico. ça a été génial.
C'est vraiment à la hauteur du prix que tu payes, c'est absolument fabuleux ! C'est vrai que c'est cher mais franchement tu en as pour ton argent.
Y'en a pour 4 heures en tout, départ de l'hôtel, retour à l'hôtel.
Y'a une voiture qui vient te chercher à ton hôtel, nous c'était à 09 h 05 pour un décollage à 10 h 05. C'est très très bien organisé. Ils t'emmenent à l'aéroport ou se trouvent les hélicos. Ca doit bien marcher car ils en ont une dizaine !!!
Sur le chemin, il te passe une vidéo où tu as un peu ce que tu vas voir. A l'arrivée, tu rentres dans un bureau pour l'inscription, ils te pèsent pour la répartition dans l'hélico., ensuite tu attends un peu, y'a bien sûr une boutique !!!!! Un mini van vient te chercher pour t'emmener dans l'hélico. Le pilote se présente à chaque personne.
Il te fait une photo devant l'hélico. au cas où il te reste encore un peu de dollars dans la poche : 15 dollars la photo dans un joli cadre aux couleurs de Papillon (elle t'attends à la boutique à ton retour).
Tu survoles un peu Las Végas mais pas trop, surtout l'extérieur de la ville qui est aussi intéressant à voir, tu files vers le désert. Il fait les commentaires sur le chemin (on avait demandé les commentaires en français, ça fait du bien de comprendre ce qu'il est dit !!!!). Tu passes par le barrage Hoover Dam qu'il survole, le Lac Mead qui est très beau, et puis après environ 20 bonnes minutes de vol, tu arrives sur le Grand Canyon, grandiose. Tu descends petit à petit tout en survolant dans la faille d'assez près, il se pose au fond, y'a bien sûr un endroit aménagé mais assez sauvage malgré tout, y'a pas de béton.
Ils te donnent une petite malette en osier avec un en cas et tu te diriges vers un embarcadère où y'a un bâteau qui t'attends pour faire un tour d'une vingtaine de minutes sur le Colorado. Moment magique....Tu lèves la tête et c'est tout simplement fascinant : 1, 6 km de hauteur de roches, grandiose. La ballade en bâteau semble un peu courte et elle l'est d'ailleurs, surtout quand tu te rappelles le prix que tu as payé, mais on dit peu mais bon, et là, crois moi, c'est vraiment le kif complet !!!
Ensuite, tu débarques du petit bâteau, tu as juste un petit moment (disons 15 minutes pour faire des photos et apprécier, là, c'est encore un peu court !) et tu remontes dans l'hélico., à la même place qu'à l'aller (il vaut mieux pour toi que tu ai eu la chance comme nous d'être bien placé, on était ma fille et moi, juste devant à coté du pilote) et tu repars. Tu finis ce superbe tour pour le survol du Strip absolument grandiose vu du ciel !!!
Y'a vraiment pas d'autres mots : c'est GEANT !!!!!
Ensuite tu restes un bon moment pour avoir le temps de passer à la boutique et voir la fameuse photo et la voiture te ramène à ton hôtel.
J'en garde un souvenir à pleurer de bonheur. C'est trop grandiose (un peu court malgré ce !!). Je serais bien resté 30 minutes de plus au fond du canyon....
Il y a aussi des départs de Grand Canyon directement, mais là ce n'est qu'un survol de 25 a 30 minutes qui coute dans les 100 ou 120 euros. La dépose au fond ne se fait qu'avec un départ de Las Végas.
Ils te proposent aussi une journée entière (environ 7 h) au départ de Grand Canyon avec les chutes de Havasupai mais il faut compter dans les 450 dollars par personne. Mais ça doit être une journée inoubliable !
Tous ces renseignements avec les différentes formules proposées et les prix ainsi que des vidéos sont sur le site de Papillon.com. Tu peux même leur envoyer un mail si tu as des questions, Doug te répond rapidement ! 😉
Est-il toujours possible de se faire déposer au fond du Grand Canyon ?
On s'est fait déposer au fond du grand canyon quand nous avons fait le tour en hélico. ; nous sommes passés par Papillon.com (les meilleurs d'après ce que j'ai compris).
Mon expérience en détail :
J'avais donc pris la formule avec Papillon (papillon.com) le "grand cruise celebration" à 264 euros par personne. Là aussi, on s'est vraiment laché !!! J'ai été ravie et fière de moi, je n'ai pas eu peur du tout. Pour mon baptème d'hélico. ça a été génial.
C'est vraiment à la hauteur du prix que tu payes, c'est absolument fabuleux ! C'est vrai que c'est cher mais franchement tu en as pour ton argent.
Y'en a pour 4 heures en tout, départ de l'hôtel, retour à l'hôtel.
Y'a une voiture qui vient te chercher à ton hôtel, nous c'était à 09 h 05 pour un décollage à 10 h 05. C'est très très bien organisé. Ils t'emmenent à l'aéroport ou se trouvent les hélicos. Ca doit bien marcher car ils en ont une dizaine !!!
Sur le chemin, il te passe une vidéo où tu as un peu ce que tu vas voir. A l'arrivée, tu rentres dans un bureau pour l'inscription, ils te pèsent pour la répartition dans l'hélico., ensuite tu attends un peu, y'a bien sûr une boutique !!!!! Un mini van vient te chercher pour t'emmener dans l'hélico. Le pilote se présente à chaque personne.
Il te fait une photo devant l'hélico. au cas où il te reste encore un peu de dollars dans la poche : 15 dollars la photo dans un joli cadre aux couleurs de Papillon (elle t'attends à la boutique à ton retour).
Tu survoles un peu Las Végas mais pas trop, surtout l'extérieur de la ville qui est aussi intéressant à voir, tu files vers le désert. Il fait les commentaires sur le chemin (on avait demandé les commentaires en français, ça fait du bien de comprendre ce qu'il est dit !!!!). Tu passes par le barrage Hoover Dam qu'il survole, le Lac Mead qui est très beau, et puis après environ 20 bonnes minutes de vol, tu arrives sur le Grand Canyon, grandiose. Tu descends petit à petit tout en survolant dans la faille d'assez près, il se pose au fond, y'a bien sûr un endroit aménagé mais assez sauvage malgré tout, y'a pas de béton.
Ils te donnent une petite malette en osier avec un en cas et tu te diriges vers un embarcadère où y'a un bâteau qui t'attends pour faire un tour d'une vingtaine de minutes sur le Colorado. Moment magique....Tu lèves la tête et c'est tout simplement fascinant : 1, 6 km de hauteur de roches, grandiose. La ballade en bâteau semble un peu courte et elle l'est d'ailleurs, surtout quand tu te rappelles le prix que tu as payé, mais on dit peu mais bon, et là, crois moi, c'est vraiment le kif complet !!!
Ensuite, tu débarques du petit bâteau, tu as juste un petit moment (disons 15 minutes pour faire des photos et apprécier, là, c'est encore un peu court !) et tu remontes dans l'hélico., à la même place qu'à l'aller (il vaut mieux pour toi que tu ai eu la chance comme nous d'être bien placé, on était ma fille et moi, juste devant à coté du pilote) et tu repars. Tu finis ce superbe tour pour le survol du Strip absolument grandiose vu du ciel !!!
Y'a vraiment pas d'autres mots : c'est GEANT !!!!!
Ensuite tu restes un bon moment pour avoir le temps de passer à la boutique et voir la fameuse photo et la voiture te ramène à ton hôtel.
J'en garde un souvenir à pleurer de bonheur. C'est trop grandiose (un peu court malgré ce !!). Je serais bien resté 30 minutes de plus au fond du canyon....
Il y a aussi des départs de Grand Canyon directement, mais là ce n'est qu'un survol de 25 a 30 minutes qui coute dans les 100 ou 120 euros. La dépose au fond ne se fait qu'avec un départ de Las Végas.
Ils te proposent aussi une journée entière (environ 7 h) au départ de Grand Canyon avec les chutes de Havasupai mais il faut compter dans les 450 dollars par personne. Mais ça doit être une journée inoubliable !
Tous ces renseignements avec les différentes formules proposées et les prix ainsi que des vidéos sont sur le site de Papillon.com. Tu peux même leur envoyer un mail si tu as des questions, Doug te répond rapidement ! 😉
Bonne journée ! Une Corse... de Marseille
Je pense, il faut quand-même dire, où on t'as déposé dans le Grand Canyon😉
Pour la pluspart des visiteurs, Grand Canyon est le South Rim et là tu peux seulement descendre à pied 😉
Ou en partie sur le dos des mûles🤪
L'excursion que tu cite se fait au West Rim ou chez les Havasupai😉
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I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
Hi VF community,
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
Hi there,
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hey everyone!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!