Je me lance aussi.
Je parcours ce forum en long en large depuis quelques jours et tout ces carnets de voyage en Namibie me donne tres envie de découvrir ce pays.
J'envisage un séjour là bas du 23/06/07 au 15/07/07 (à quelque jours pres).
Nous serions 2 adultes et 2 enfants de 6 et 8 ans.
Dans ma "jeunesse", nous avons fait du camping mais les enfants ne connaissent pas (tout juste notre vieille tente montée dans le jardin pour les amuser, mais loin des conditions réelles d'un camping quoi...)
Comme beaucoup l'ont suggeré j'ai contacté Christine du Chameleon safari, afin de voir avec elle un circuit sur place . J'attends sa réponse sous peu mais en attendant je viens vers vous pour des questions plus "terre à terre"......
d'abord :faut il etre un "baroudeur" dans l'ame pour ce genre de périple?Avoir passé toutes ses vacances en camping, en randonnée etc?
Je serais seule à conduire, cela pose t'il un probleme?
Je n'ai jamais conduit de 4x4 de ma vie et la conduite à droite n'en parlons meme pas! C'est dur à prendre en main?Je dois m'entrainer à changer une courroie avant?( les roues ça va...🙂)
Un autre truc vraiment tres bete mais...les "pauses" pipi des enfants se gerent comment?dans les parcs, interdiction de sortir du vehicule mais en dehors?
Quel genre de "bagage" faut il emmener, un gros sac de voyage ou un sac à dos? ( vehicule loué serait un 4x4 avec tente sur le toit, j'avais oublié de le preciser)
Quelques etapes en lodge obligatoires pour recharger batteries apn ( j'ai bien sur le seul modele qui ne marche pas à pile LR6!tsss)?ou y'a t'il moyen sur camping?
Et enfin derniere question en attendant d'autres, est -ce si deraisonnable que ça d'emmener mes enfants comme le pense ma maman!!?(tu vas pas emmener mes ptits enfants là bas!!!!!🤪)
Merci de l'attention que vous voudrez bien me porter et de vos encouragements!!
Dans ma "jeunesse", nous avons fait du camping mais les enfants ne connaissent pas Ils vont adorer dormir en tente sur le toit de la voiture. 1 véhicule avec 2 tentes (4personnes) existe en loc (tout juste notre vieille tente montée dans le jardin pour les amuser, mais loin des conditions réelles d'un camping quoi...)
faut il etre un "baroudeur" dans l'ame pour ce genre de périple?Avoir passé toutes ses vacances en camping, en randonnée etc? NON cela peut aider - mais c'est la bas que tu y prendra gout.....
Je serais seule à conduire, cela pose t'il un probleme? NON plus il faut prevoir de courte étape (150 à 250 km jours entrecoupés de pose et visite)
Je n'ai jamais conduit de 4x4 de ma vie et la conduite à droite n'en parlons meme pas! C'est dur à prendre en main?Je dois m'entrainer à changer une courroie avant?( les roues ça va...🙂) NON généralement l'agence de loc te brief au départ sur le fonctionnement en 4x4 (généralement jamais utilisé par le touriste Lambda pas de hors piste ni de franchissement - sur les gravels road pas besoin des 4 roues motrices)- l'intéret du 4x4 réside plus dans sa capacité de chargement pour les tentes fixées sur le toit et dans la contenance coffre du pickup + solidité fiabilité véhicule
Un autre truc vraiment tres bete mais...les "pauses" pipi des enfants se gerent comment? dans les parcs, NON il y a des zones "fermées" (eg Ethosa) la prudence reste de mise quand même - interdiction de sortir du vehicule OUI de facon générale mettre sécurité portières et ouverture vitres pour AR si enfants turbulents mais en dehors? Pipi bord de route pas de Pb ne pas s'enfoncer dans le veld ou le bush
Quel genre de "bagage" faut il emmener, un gros sac de voyage ou un sac à dos? ( vehicule loué serait un 4x4 avec tente sur le toit, j'avais oublié de le preciser) Nous partons personnelement avec une cantine metallique ( craint pas les chocs, et facilment bridable dans le coffre pick up + sac à dos
Quelques etapes en lodge "obligatoires" NON rest camp des logdes peuvent suffire - recharge aux douches et/ou au bar et/ou resto le temps de la conso pour regarder batteries apn ( j'ai bien sur le seul modele qui ne marche pas à pile LR6!tsss)?ou y'a t'il moyen sur camping? OUI demander à l'accueil
Principe de base en Afrique tj demander (palabrer) même pour/sur les sujets qui parraisent bloquant ou insolvablesEt enfin derniere question en attendant d'autres, est -ce si deraisonnable -ABSOLUMENT PAS - que ça d'emmener mes enfants comme le pense ma maman!!?(tu vas pas emmener mes ptits enfants là bas!!!!!🤪)
L'année suivante c'est eux qui vont y trainer Papy-Mamy😉😉
Merci de l'attention que vous voudrez bien me porter et de vos encouragements!!
le 4x4 n'est pas obligatoire en namibie
mais facilite bien la vie
la conduite n'est pas compliquée mais demande
à s'habituer et à être vigilant en permanence
noter que dépasser le 80km/h n'est pas recommandé
les pistes les plus dangereuses sont les belles
pistes en ligne droite, pas les trucs impossibles
le camping en tentes de toi est très très confortable
ça ressemble plus à un confort de lit
qu'à un confort de camping traditionnel
les campings sont sécures en namibie
mais si vous couchez hors d'un camping
préférez coucher 1 adult + 1 enfant par tente
conduire dans du terrain peut aller du très facile au très hard
la difficulté ne vient pas trop de la conduite
mais des soucis que vous aurez si vous avez un incident
même très petit
je me suis trouvé une fois en grand soucis
pour une roue crevée car le cric ne levait pas
alors qu'au contraire un pont cassé s'est règlé
en quelques instant grace à un autre véhicule
compétent et gentil
pour les apn il y a plein de techniques
quelques campings ont des emplacements avec prise électrique
donc on peut en profiter facilement
les autres ont des communs équipés
donc on peut laisser sa batterie seule à se recharger la nuit
je l'ai fait sans que la batterie ne "se sauve"
sinon, on peut acheter un petit convertisseur allume cigare => 220
je vend le mien 50 % du tarif neuf
pourquoi ? parce que j'ai des chargeurs de batteries sur allume cigare moins lourds....
non ce n'est pas déraisonnable d'emmener ses enfants
les pauses pipi ne posent pas de pb même dans les parcs
il faut alors choisir un endroit bien dégagé
et faire pipi juste derrière la voiture en
ayant pris soin d'inspecter les environs avant et d'avoir un de vous deux qui fait le guet.
sinon évitez d'aller faire pipi dans des endroits caillouteux bien ensoleillés, becauses serpents
Petit guide pour la photo en voyage... en cours de rédaction..
Quand un sage me montre du doigt la lune, moi je m'en tape je continue de rêver aux étoiles.
Nous revenons d'un mois en namibie/Botswana .Nous y étions avec trois enfants entre 11 et14 ans.
Ce n'est absolument pas deraisonnable d'y emmener vos enfants ;ils seront certainement aussi emerveillés que les miens.
Baroudeurs, nous ne le sommes pas et nous avons survécus.
Christine qui s'était occupée de nos reservations est de trés bons conseils fiez vous à son instinct.
Si vous en avez l'occasion ne manquez pas la visite d'un village himba; nos enfants (et nous méme ) en sont revenus quelques transformés(eh oui on survit sans gameboy, playstation......)
Les étapes en lodges ne nous ont pas parues necessaires pour recharger les batteries(et pourtant le camping c'est pas mon truc).
N'hesitez pas pour plus
bonne preparation
il lui suffisait de voir une carte pour se mettre à l'étudier avec passion, puis, invariablement, il commençait à projeter quelque nouveau voyage impossible, qui, parfois, se transformait en réalité. »
PAUL BOWLES : « Un Thé au Sahara »
Je viens de finir d'ecrire un carnet de voyage ;je tape;tu imprimes et tu fais lire😉😛 !
il lui suffisait de voir une carte pour se mettre à l'étudier avec passion, puis, invariablement, il commençait à projeter quelque nouveau voyage impossible, qui, parfois, se transformait en réalité. »
PAUL BOWLES : « Un Thé au Sahara »
et voilà! des réponses rapides de Nambie dont celle de Christine de Chameleon donc je vous mets la proposiotion en copie afin que vous me disiez si je raterais certaines choses ou passerait trop de temps sur d'autre :
22/06 Windhoek - Chameleon Guesthouse Accueil a l'aeroport et transfert sur Windhoek. Nuit en guesthouse 23/06 Desert du Namib - Camping de Sesriem Excursion dans les dunes proche du camp pour un coucher du soleil inoubliable. Nuit en camping 24/06 Desert du Namib - Camping de Sesriem Excursion a Sossusvlei pour le lever du soleil et en fin d'apres-midi dans le canyon de Sesriem. Nuit en camping 25/06 Parc de Namib Naukluft - Naukluft Camping Decouverte des montagnes du Naukluft a pieda partir du camp. Nuit en camping. 26/06 Parc de Namib Naukluft - Naukluft Camping Randonnee dans les montagnes a la decouvertede la faune et des superbes paysages de cette region. Nuit en camping. 27/06 Swakopmund - Dunedin Star Guesthouse Visite du lagon de Walvis Bay, reserve d'oiseaux aquatiques proteges. Decouverte de la ville de Swakopmund (musee, bord de mer, aquarium, marche local) Nuit en guesthouse. (petit-dej.) 28/06 Swakopmund - Dunedin Star Guesthouse Nombreuses activites possibles: survol en avion de la region, croisiere dauphin, quad dans les dunes, peche... Nuit en guesthouse. (petit-dej.) 29/06 Spitzkoppe - Bush Camp Visite des milliers d'otaries a fourrure de Cape Cross. Randonnee sur les rochers de granit du Spitzkoppe. Nuit en camping sauvage. 30/06 Brandberg - Bush Camp Ballade dans la region de Brandberg avec guide local et visite les gravures de la "white lady" Nuit en camping sauvages. 01/07 Twyfelfontein - Aba Huab Camping Visite avec guide local des peintures et des gravures rupestres de Twyfelfontein. Nuit en camping. 02/07 Palmwag - Palmwag Lodge Camping Randonnee a partir du camp a la rencontre des elephants du desert et d'autres especes. 03/07 Opuwo - Oreness Camp Possibilite de prendre un guide local pour visiter les villages himba. Visite de la ville, capitale de Kaokoland. Nuit en camping. 04/07 Epupa Falls - Camping Randonnee autour des chutes d'eau. Nuit en camping. 05/07 Epupa Falls - Camping Possibilite de prendre un guide local pour visiter les villages himba. Possibilites d'excursion en canoe sur le Kunene. Nuit en camping. 06/07 Kunene River Lodge Differentes activites proposees par le lodge: canoe, peche, observation des oiseaux, excursion... Nuit en bungalow. (petit-dej.) 07/07 Hobatere - Hobatere Camping Possibilite de faire un tour guide dans la reserve pour observer la faune locale. Nuit en camping. 08/07 Parc d'Etosha - Okaukuejo Camping Circuit dans le parc pour observer des animaux sauvages. Nuit en camping. 09/07 Parc d'Etosha - Halali Camping Circuit dans le parc pour observer des animaux sauvages. Nuit en camping. 10/07 Pars d'Etosha - Namutoni Camping Circuit dans le parc pour observer des animaux sauvages. Nuit en camping. 11/07 Bushmanland - Omatako Village Decouverte de cette communaute bushman vivant ici tres naturellement. Activites optionnelles: suivre un pisteur bushman pour N$ 50/pers ou assister a une soiree avec eux autour du feu du camp N$ 250/groupe. 12/07 Waterberg - Waterberg Camping Randonnee pour regagner le sommet du plateau avec vue panoramique sur le desert du Kalahari. Nuit en camping. 13/07 Windhoek - Chameleon Guesthouse Nuit en guesthouse. 14/07 Vol retour
C'est du standard classique de chez "touriste" - tu peux en toute quiètude aborder le périple avec tes enfants -
Avis personnel cela manquera un peu d'authensité sur la vision réelle du pays - mais pour un premier jus c'est bien - proposition et dosage activité pour tes enfants bien faite quoique superflu à mon sens -
(je dois être mal-luné ce matin!!!!😠)
Pour comparatif prix et circuit consulte - www.planet-terre.com (Tourmaline Safari demande Fred)
tu devrai avoir à peu près les même items - après fais jouer la concurrence -
Comme beaucoup de forumeurs etatient contents de Christine je me suis dit qu'elle me proposerait le mieux mais tu me mets le doute du coup !
Bon je consulte le site que tu m'as donné et je compare (j'avoue que 2/3 nuits en "dur" seraient quand meme bienvenues).Je vais leur demander un ptit "mix" camping/lodge pour voir.
Merci Himba (mais non t'es pas de mauvaise humeur, tu veux le mieux pour mon voyage !!😉)
je propose le remplacement de la visite du musée et de l'aquarium de swakopmund
qui est bien mais par transcendant
par une ballade en quad sur les dunes
Petit guide pour la photo en voyage... en cours de rédaction..
Quand un sage me montre du doigt la lune, moi je m'en tape je continue de rêver aux étoiles.
Je note....mais de toute façon Hormis les etapes en "gras" le reste n'est que possibilités ou choses à voir...rien de defini...à choisir sur place, donc musée et aquarium peuvent etre remplacés comme tu le suggeres par une balade dans les dunes.......
Si je lis bien l'itineraire, il n'y a pas de passage par fisher river canyon....dommage ou pas?
J'ai reçu une autre proposition par Namikala safari, tout en camping avec possibilité de remplacer par quelques nuits en lodge :
JOUR 1 : WINDHOEK Capitale Africaine
JOUR 2 : DESERT DU KALAHARI Demeure traditionnelle des Bushmen
JOUR 3 : DESERT DU KALAHARI Demeure traditionnelle des Bushmen
JOUR 4 : FISH RIVER CANYON Paysages spectaculaires, balade à cheval...
JOUR 5 : FISH RIVER CANYON Paysages spectaculaires, balade à cheval...
JOUR 6 : AUS Les diamants et les chevaux sauvages (piste 707)
JOUR 7 : AUS Excursion à Lüderitz (100km goudron)
JOUR 8 : DESERT DU NAMIB Parc de Naukluft, Canyon de Sesriem (piste 826)
JOUR 9 : DESERT DU NAMIB Sossusvlei, Deadvlei, Dune 45...
JOUR 10 : SWAKOPMUND Côte Atlantique, oiseaux marins, otaries du Cap
JOUR 11 : SWAKOPMUND Walvis Bay, possibilités d’excursions.
JOUR 12 : DAMARALAND Monde minéral, gravures rupestres Bushmen
JOUR 13 : SESFONTEIN Les portes du Kaokoland, le pays Himba
JOUR 14 : SESFONTEIN Rencontre avec le peuple Himba
JOUR 15 : REGION KAMANJAB Etape dans une ferme qui héberge des guépards
JOUR 16 : PARC D'ETOSHA Un des plus beaux parcs animaliers d'Afrique…
JOUR 17 : PARC D'ETOSHA Eléphants, girafes, lions - Vie sauvage - Safaris
JOUR 18 : PARC D'ETOSHA Une nuit dans chaque camping du parc.
JOUR 19 : PARC DE WATERBERG Randonnées au milieu des antilopes JOUR 20 : EN VOL
et j'attends proposition de Fred comme me l'a suggeré Himba.
Apres comment faire le tri..prix, serieux, fiabilité......
ah ouais là ça se complique.....J'ai meme mon mari qui s'en mele en me disant que sur ses forums (finances....humhumhum) des agences font des questions -réponses pour se mettre en valeur!!
Un peu parano mon mari vi......😛
Bon j'ai encore 6 mois pour choisir je crois.......
Justement, je vois beaucoup de posts parlant de ces "miles" mais c'est quoi exactement?
Fidelisation des grands utilisateurs de vols (AF Flying Blue anciennement Frequence plus) - svt à titre professionnel ( peut être considéré comme avantage nature en utilisation à des fins personnels)
Chaque vols, locs voiture et divers achats par CB Amex ou autre te donnent des points (miles aériens) que tu transforme en billets gratuits.
Je suis partie le samedi 1/7/06 sur le vol AF pour Johannesburg. On a enregistré en 5 ou 6 ème position : il n'y avait plus 2 places côte à côte !!! Au comptoir d'à côté, l'hôtesse proposait le vol du lendemain !! Tous les sièges étaient déjà pris par les nombreux passagers en transit, et il paraît que c'est courant. Si tu prends Af, demande si tu peux réserver tes 4 sièges d'avance ...! En tout cas, arrive très tôt pour éviter d'être en waiting list ..
(Ne pas oublier de brûler le kleenex ou le PQ des pauses pipi, en faisant attention au vent!)
(Ne pas oublier de brûler le kleenex ou le PQ des pauses pipi, en faisant attention au vent!)
Exact +1 😉 -- on oublie svt de le rappeler --
Je serai curieux de savoir les statistiques des voyageurs, pour qui c'est une habitude courante !!😇
Tout comme celle d'éviter l'orientation vers l'Est dans les pays musulmans !!!
tu m'angoisses un peu là (10 mois avant le départ....😊)
Si on passe par Lufthansa par exemple ( paris/francfort/Johannesburg/windhoek), en arrivant à Roissy ça se passe comment? on peut reserver les places sur chaque vols ou à chaque fois tu te réenregistres?
Parce que pour un premier voyage, les enfants loin de moi j'imagine meme pas....
Bon Céline, toi tu ne voyages pas souvent en avion !!!
Tu peux lors de ton achat auprès de la même compagnie prendre un billet "vol groupé"
Lft --> Paris Wkd via Frank + Joburg
AF --> Paris Wdk via Joburg
ce n'est pas tj le moins cher c'est vrai (avantages et inconvéniants)
Tu peux donc faire la résa de tes places dans l'avion N° rang et sièges (si tu t'y prends suffisament ltg à l'avance - 6/8 mois cela te laisses un peu de temps encore)
Evite une rotation en WE - départ en SE svt moins chargé quoique !!!
Il te faudra confirmer ton vol qq semaines avnt le départ.
A l'enregistrement tu enregistres aussi tes bagages départ --> arrivée (moins tu as de chgt moins tu as de risque d'égarement des bagages)
ne jamais mettre tous ces oeufs dans le même panier (d'ou du bagage cabine avec l'essentiel reparti)
NB Frk - GROS traffic n'est pas connu pour sa régularité dans le suivi des bagages (là je vais pas me faire que des amis) mais c'est moins pire qu' Heathrow (UK)
J'ai qq miles aérien au compteur - et qq annecdotes de places et bagages - mais tj en déplacement prof - jamais pour les vacances ou quasi
De façon globale tout se passe bien et puis c'est aussi une part du voyage que de gérer les impondérables..
on revient tout juste de 3 semaines en Namibie avec les 2 enfants (7 et 10 ans). On est passé par l'agence Madiza tours. Agence très bien et pas forcément plus cher que de le faire soit même. La Namibie est vraiment un pays très facile. Ce pays, c'est l'Afrique des blancs (l'apartheid est passé par là), organisé, sur, propre. Des fois, on se dit, c'est pas l'Afrique, mais bon...L'eau est potable, on trouve des supermarché où tu peux acheter viande fraiche, Nesquick, Cocopop, légumes, moutarde, ... Plus qu'il n'en faut! On se croirait chez Champion ou super U. On est loin des baroudeurs et de l'Afrique noire. Par contre en dehors de quelques villes, il n'y a presque rien. Tu peux franchement rassurer ta mère...On a roulé 4 mois en Inde avec les bambins et c'était pas vraiment le même confort. Et c'est vraiment un pays où il n'y a personne. Moins d'habitants qu'à Paris pour une surface qui fait 2 fois la France!! On a trouvé que ça manquait d'humains et de rencontres.
La solution 4x4 avec tente de toit est vraiment idéale même si c'est carrément cher. Dans ton itinéraire attention à ne pas prévoir trop de km car même si le réseau routier est très bon, la route est longue et les heures de route, ça gave un peu. Surtout que le paysage est assez monotone et qu'on ne croise vraiment personne, personne. Tu peux te faire des journée où tu croise 5 personnes, 2 voitures et le soir tu es tout seul dans le camping avec le gardien !! On a souvent fait 2 nuits au même endroits et c'était bien. Sinon, tu roule le matin, le midi, tu te pose l'après midi et le lendemain, il faut repartir. Pas top.
les campings sont souvent très bien. rustique mais calme, clean et petit. En pleine nature.
Etrange que de s'interroger sur les pauses pipi! Comme on croise une voiture toutes les 2 heures, tu peux vraiment te faire plaisir et faire en plein milieu de la piste sans soucis. Dans les parcs, il est effectivement demandé de ne pas sortir de la voiture, mais bon...
Tous les bagages sont possibles, les coffres des toyota sont immense, possibilité de recharger les piles à l'accueil des camping. Certains n'ont pas l'electricité mais il y a quand même des groupes électro la plupart du temps.
Dernier conseil : en juillet en camping prévois le gros duvet pour dormir car on s'est vraiment caillé, il fait vraiment froid la nuit. Le jour tshirt et short ok.
bonjour celine, peux tu mettre le prix pour les differentes propositions que tu as recus? je compte me rendre en namibie en fevrier et ca m aiderais pour preparer mon voyage, mici....
Pour Paris -> WDH via JNB sur AF + BA, les bagages sont effectivement enregistrés jusqu'au bout, mais les passagers doivent s'enregistrer à Johannesburg pour le vol JNB-WDH ( id au retour, bien sûr)
C'est vrai qu'une seule escale est préférable ...
Himba, le mot approprié dans mon cas c'est pas "souvent" c'est plutot "JAMAIS"😛.
Mon bapteme en avion c'est en 1989 pour la Réunion et ça c'est jamais reproduit depuis......
Donc je prendrai mes places en decembre (et les num de fauteuils aussi...mais j'ai pas vu ça dans mes simulations......😊), et j'eviterai la case Francfort ou Londres...Donc AF ou South africa par exemple.
En ce qui concerne les prix pour 20jours, hors avion, les tarifs oscillent entre 3200 et 3800€, hebergements et loc de 4x4 compris.
Sachant que le moins cher me propose 5 nuits en lodge et le plus cher que du camping...va comprendre Charles......
Et pour l'histoire des pauses pipi le soucis n'est pas de vouloir cacher mon derriere ou celui de mes enfants aux passants mais plutot d'eviter de me faire charger par un lion furax que j'ai marqué mon territoire !!😏
bonjour celine, je reviens juste de namibie et le forum m'a beaucoup aidé pour préparer le voyage (merci à tous), je n'ai aucun lien avec les agences, d'ailleurs je n'en ai pas pris. tu peux très bien organiser et faire tes résa toi même, pour ma part je n'avais réservé que les 3 premières nuits ( ca nous a d'ailleurs permi de changer de parcours)et pour tout le reste on a toujours trouvé des places en lodge et en camping sans aucun problème même a etosha qui affiche complet tout le temps j'ai dormi dans les trois camps en bungalow sans résa !!
la namibie est tres sécure, aucun probleme avec les enfants, il faut juste etre prudent et raisonable, ne pas dépasser le 80 même sur les pistes faciles, et rester à bonne distance des éléphants😉 pour les pauses pipi tu peux t'arreter partout sur le bord des pistes et à etosha il y a quelques endroits aménagés sur la route..
nous avons 38 et 36 ans et nos parents aussi étaient inquiets, lol, les gens se font souvent de mauvaises idées surtout que la namibie est très peu connue...mais tellement belle 😎😎
Certes, on peut tout faire sans réservation préalable, mais personnellement, pour ma tranquilité d'esprit, je préfére avoir tous mes bons d'échange ! Il me semble qu'avec de jeunes enfants, je choisirais d'autant plus cette formule ! Mais je suis sans doute plus "stressée" que la moyenne ( et je n'ai surtout pas envie de perdre mon temps avec "l'intendance" sur un voyage malgré tout assez court).
Pour ce qui est des avions : je pense que la réservation à l'avance des sièges ne peut se faire que si l'on passe directement par la compagnie aérienne, et non, par exemple par Opodo ...
Je crois qu'une formule avec quelques nuits en lodge, cela doit vraiment être plus sympa que tout en camping (un bon lit, une bonne douche personnelle ... hmmm...).
Il faut vraiment rassurer les grands-parents : il n'y a rigoureusement rien à craindre, à moins de se jeter dans un troupeau de lionnes pour défendre les antilopes ! Même pas l'ombre d'un moustique en hiver austral dans le nord du pays ..!
je pense justement que c'est exactemet le contraire
réserver d'avance est plus stressant que de ne pas réserver
car tu es rythmée pas tes réservations
autant je pense que pour ceux qui font tout en lodge
c'est justifié de réserver autant je pense qu'avec une tente de toit
ça ne vaut pas le coup, au contraire ça stresse plus qu'autre chose
je me souviens d'un couple qui avait réservé avec un road book
superbement bien fait on l'a croisé passablement énervé
ils cherchaient le lodge depuis 5 heures
enfin... ce n'est que mon avis...
Petit guide pour la photo en voyage... en cours de rédaction..
Quand un sage me montre du doigt la lune, moi je m'en tape je continue de rêver aux étoiles.
Pour ce qui est des avions : je pense que la réservation à l'avance des sièges ne peut se faire que si l'on passe directement par la compagnie aérienne, et non, par exemple par Opodo ...
Oui évidemment direct au comptoir compagnie ou par une agence (avantages et inconvéniants tjrs !!!) On ne peut avoir le beurre et l'argent du b... Céline, fait toi (ou fait toi faire) un mix à partir des rest-camp des lodges Chaque lodges possèdent des bungalows avec tout confort mais aussi une ou des annexes (Rest camp) c'est la zone de caming du lodge, tu bénéficie dans ce cas des structures du lodges -bar, resto, animations sanitaires, mais tu ne "paye" pas le cout du bungalow privatif. On dort trés bien en tente de toit - surtout pour une quinzaine de jours Fait du bivouac, ou du camping dans les camps communautaires (presque chaque village en possède) plus ou moins équipé c'est vrai- tu découvrira "le plaisir" de préparer le feu sous le bidon de 200l pour avoir l'eau chaude avant la douche en plein air - tes enfants en seront certainement emmerveillés - Avis perso: Si tu es en voyage pour reproduire avec exactitude ta vie europeene tu ne rapportera pas tout ce que que cette diversité culturelle peut t'apporter. je ne juge, ni ne blame les adeptes du copier, coller, calquer en voyage - chacun trouve sa plénitude et taille, poli sa propre pierre... Fait un mix de tout (guest house, bungalow, camping municipal (Swakop), rest camp, camp communautaire, bivouac libre et au prochain voyage tu priviligiera le plus enrichissant pour tes enfants et toi. Ne réserve pas partout obligatoirement (je suis plutot dans l'avis de "vieuxcampeur") pas de résa plus de liberté, moins de contraintes - de toute façon tu connaitra (de part les propositions d'agence) les emplacements et les lieux ou tu peux te poser le soir - prevoir à partir de 15h00 - (à 17h30 il fait nuit) Voilà ce n'est que qq avis (pas des conseils) c'est bien toi qui va faire ton choix pas nous !!😉
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Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM
4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing
5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?)
8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...)
9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?)
11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!)
13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure)
16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...)
18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP
21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!)
22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now...
I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments...
Can’t wait to be back there again!
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes.
I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks).
Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate.
Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross.
Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head.
Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes:
Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek?
At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge?
There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls.
I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions.
I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali.
Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha.
I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4.
Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?