Refus de visa français pour une thailandaise
by Célecoin
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Hello !
Mince ; je vais en Thaïlande quelquefois. Mon amie thaïlandaise qui voulait venir en France n'a pas eu son visa ! !
Pourtant il ne manquait absolument rien au dossier ! L'ambassade de France en Thaïlande me l'a confirmé mais ne donne pas la raison du refus. J'ai fait la démarche au service compétent en France : PAS DE REPONSE ! 🤪
Impossible de savoir le motif du refus !
Est-ce que quelqu'un a des connaissances sur ce qu'il se passe en ce moment ?
Merci beaucoup à tous.
Célecoin.
Chaque pays est souverain pour la délivrance ou non d'un visa et l'immigration à l'arrivée peut refouler un étranger même en possession d'un visa en règle ce qui implique que son obtention ne vaut pas forcément séjour, et les services compétents n'ont pas à se justifier. La France ne fait pas exception aux pratiques en vigueur dans les autres pays du monde. Pourquoi dès lors s'en étonner ?
Bonjour,
Vous pouvez saisir les autorités compétentes, ça vous prendra du temps et de l'argent. Vous avez 9 chances sur 10 d'être débouté. C'est ce qu'on appelle "l'état de droit". Droit qui s'applique en priorité du haut vers le bas.
Dans ce domaine, le théorème d' Archimède ne s'applique pas.
Vous pouvez saisir les autorités compétentes, ça vous prendra du temps et de l'argent. Vous avez 9 chances sur 10 d'être débouté. C'est ce qu'on appelle "l'état de droit". Droit qui s'applique en priorité du haut vers le bas.
Dans ce domaine, le théorème d' Archimède ne s'applique pas.
Sous le vacarme, la vie.
Bonjour, ce qui m'étonne c'est que cela t'étonnes, quel est le niveau de revenu de ta copine Thailandaise? si il est supérieur dans son pays a ce qu'il serait en France elle peut espérer un visa, dans le cas contraire c'est beaucoup plus difficile, a moins d'avoir une invitation de société commerciale s'engageant a régler tous ses frais de séjour et garante de son rapatriement.
c est pas compliqué; la raison du refus est le salaire trop faible ou son absence.
le fait que tu as un dossier complet permet simplement que ton dossier soit examiné par le consulat
le fait que tu as un dossier complet permet simplement que ton dossier soit examiné par le consulat
Merci à tous, dans la discussion !
Ben çà alors ! Je trouve assez pertinentes vos réflexions et j'étais loin d'imaginer la "profondeur" de l'état de droit ! Merci beaucoup.
Mais en tous cas maintenant il se profile une autre question finalement : si nous voulons nous marier puisque çà marche bien entre nous depuis un an et demi, et afin de mettre toutes les chances de notre côté, finalement oui, que nous faudrait-il faire ! ?
Si vous me relisez, je vous en remercie déjà. Oh oui ; vous me semblez "avertis".
il te suffit d'entamer la procedure pour te marier et cela sera sans probleme puisque tu es avec elle depuis 1an et demi
Bonjour,
Vous avez bien compris que les membres se réfèrent à des données partielles, puisque les motifs de refus ne sont pas donnés.
Par recoupements, nous sommes plusieurs à penser qu'en effet c'est l'absence de revenus suffisants au pays qui est la source du rejet.
Toutefois sur Vf, ont obtenu un visa touriste pour leur amie:
- un Français dont l'amie avait un "bon" salaire régulier (il me semble dans les 450 euros)
- un militaire français.
Donc, il ne vous reste plus qu'à prendre la voie la plus "pratique": mariage sur place. Sans préjuger des lendemains.
Aujourd'hui c'est la fête bouddhiste du "sermon de Bouddha" ("Magha Puja day"), prendre une décision ce jour-ci favorisera grandement votre projet!😉
Donc, il ne vous reste plus qu'à prendre la voie la plus "pratique": mariage sur place. Sans préjuger des lendemains.
Aujourd'hui c'est la fête bouddhiste du "sermon de Bouddha" ("Magha Puja day"), prendre une décision ce jour-ci favorisera grandement votre projet!😉
Sous le vacarme, la vie.
Et comme disay Mike Oldfield..... Never going to get to France....
Sincères compassions... Je pensais que la Belqiques était le pays le plus pourri d'Europe mais en lisant ce forum, je me rends compte qu'il ne faut pas stagner sur sa première impression...
Sincères compassions... Je pensais que la Belqiques était le pays le plus pourri d'Europe mais en lisant ce forum, je me rends compte qu'il ne faut pas stagner sur sa première impression...
@+
Thibaut
Pour plus d'infos sur un mariage, ou un demande de visa, regarde mon blog, partie"Reglementation" tu trouveras peut etre reponse a tes questions.
http://udonthani-en-isan.over-blog.com
Il vaut mieux etre vieux et vigoureux que jeune et inactif
de quand date ce refus ? j'ai lu qu'à partir du 5avril, l'ambassade était tenue de justifier les refus de visa court séjour.
http://www.google.com/...OqgQ-0fW0nwN06hCxb3g
http://www.google.com/...OqgQ-0fW0nwN06hCxb3g
Il y a plus de chose a decouvrir sur terre que sur la lune !
La, on va rire pour savoir quelles excuses ils vont trouver pour justifier un refus.(mais il n'y en a pas tant que ça)
Une précision que je fais, depuis 5 ans que je fais des demandes de visa pour ma compagne qui est devenue depuis mon épouse, je n'ai jamais attendu 2 mois (comme le dit le texte) mais trois à quatre jours)
Il vaut mieux etre vieux et vigoureux que jeune et inactif
Bonjour, je t'en trouve une facile, la situation étant insurectionnelle en Thailande nous ne sommes pas certains qu'elle puisse retourner dans son pays a la fin de son séjour. Comme tu vois toutes les raisons sont bonnes pour un refus justifié.
on peut aussi donner comme raison:
"insuffisance de garantie financiere"
de toute facon ils n'ont aucune obligation de preciser le montant minimum (qui n'est pas definie officiellement)
Et dans la majorité des cas, c'est la réalité
de toute facon ils n'ont aucune obligation de preciser le montant minimum (qui n'est pas definie officiellement)
Et dans la majorité des cas, c'est la réalité
Bonjour, effectivement le montant des revenus exigés est inconnu et le restera, c'est la raison principale des refus. Il faut etre réaliste, il y a tellement d'étrangers qui ont profité des visas de tourisme pour rester en Europe (pas spécialement en France) que les vrais touristes étrangers en paient maintenant le prix.Et vu les problèmes que cela pose partout on peut s'attendre a un renforcement des controles de visa.
je suis d'accord que certaines personnes ont profité en gonflant leur relevé bancaire en faisant apparaitre des grosses sommes (preté par la famille ou autres) pour obtenir le visa
Réponse concernant la motivation du refus de visa :
Apparemment la france a une dérogation special http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F2230.xhtm
C est pourtant un lois Eurpeen , comme quoi tout le monde fait ce qu ils veux ...
En tout cas l'ambassade ne ce sent pas concerné par cette lois et n applique pas c est sur ....
Vive la France !!! ( quand on n y vie plus 😛)
Apparemment la france a une dérogation special http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F2230.xhtm
C est pourtant un lois Eurpeen , comme quoi tout le monde fait ce qu ils veux ...
En tout cas l'ambassade ne ce sent pas concerné par cette lois et n applique pas c est sur ....
Vive la France !!! ( quand on n y vie plus 😛)
6 ans que je connais ma copine
Dossier bien remplis
Plusieurs compte en banque avec de grosse somme d argent et les salaires qui vont avec ( plus d un smic francais )
Résultat : visa refusé
On peut même pas allé en vacance en France , ils ont peur que l on resta labas ??? jamais de la vie on feras ca ... on n est trop bien ici .... donc pourquoi nous refusé d allé en vacances ??
Vive la France !!! ( quand on n y vie plus 😛)
Dossier bien remplis
Plusieurs compte en banque avec de grosse somme d argent et les salaires qui vont avec ( plus d un smic francais )
Résultat : visa refusé
On peut même pas allé en vacance en France , ils ont peur que l on resta labas ??? jamais de la vie on feras ca ... on n est trop bien ici .... donc pourquoi nous refusé d allé en vacances ??
Vive la France !!! ( quand on n y vie plus 😛)
bonjour,
c'est ton compte bancaire qui est rempli ou bien de ta copine et c'est le salaire de ta copine qui est superieur au smic francais?
c'est ton compte bancaire qui est rempli ou bien de ta copine et c'est le salaire de ta copine qui est superieur au smic francais?
Bonjour, on ne peut pas accuser l'administration de refuser des visas, elle est prise entre 2 feux, ceux qui en France se plaignent de l'invasion d'étrangers n'ayant pas les moyens d'assurer leur subsistance (donc pris en charge par le contribuable) et ceux qui au contraire veulent une ouverture a tous les étrangers, sans controle ou visa.Il leur faut donc etre prudent et s'assurer que la visite de l'étranger se passera bien .
Et je dirais comme toi vive la France si on est riche et que l'on ne paye pas d'impots ici.
http://sos-net.eu.org/etrangers/externe/recref.htm
Aussi simple que ca deposez un recours ce que font peu de francais qui se contentent de se plaindre. La le consulat sera tenu de donner un motif legal de refus a la commission sinon le refus sera annule.
Aussi simple que ca deposez un recours ce que font peu de francais qui se contentent de se plaindre. La le consulat sera tenu de donner un motif legal de refus a la commission sinon le refus sera annule.
Bonjour,
Est-ce que votre copine a fait une lettre de motivation et un plan detaille sur une carte de France en tracon ses parcours ou elle va aller sejourner ?
C'est sa premiere demande ?
Ma femme a ete refusee aussi lors de sa premiere demande de visa bien qu'elle a deja ete en France mais la deuxieme fois, ca s'est bien passe Alors pourquoi pas votre copine ?
Mais je pense c'est parce qu'elle n'avait pas fait une lettre de motivation et qu'elle n'avait pas explique qu'elle etait la maman d'un petit binationalite franco-thai.
Tres difficile pour une fille thai seule d'obtenir le visa pour aller en France si, elle n'est pas accompagnee ou une "Madame.." ou fonctionaire .
On est tous avec vous ! courage !
Est-ce que votre copine a fait une lettre de motivation et un plan detaille sur une carte de France en tracon ses parcours ou elle va aller sejourner ?
C'est sa premiere demande ?
Ma femme a ete refusee aussi lors de sa premiere demande de visa bien qu'elle a deja ete en France mais la deuxieme fois, ca s'est bien passe Alors pourquoi pas votre copine ?
Mais je pense c'est parce qu'elle n'avait pas fait une lettre de motivation et qu'elle n'avait pas explique qu'elle etait la maman d'un petit binationalite franco-thai.
Tres difficile pour une fille thai seule d'obtenir le visa pour aller en France si, elle n'est pas accompagnee ou une "Madame.." ou fonctionaire .
On est tous avec vous ! courage !
Il y a plus de chose a decouvrir sur terre que sur la lune !
salut, j ai lu ton blog (tres interessant!)je t ecrit donc en esperant que tu pourrai peut etre m aider pour un dossier de demande de visa pour la france pour ma ptite copine thai;deja 2 demande que l on fai a tls et 2 refus😠 comme je retourne en thailande la semaine prochaine et que nous allons sur udhon thani apres peut etre accepterais tu de nous rencontrer moi et ma copine pour nous eclairer sur le pofinage de ce fameux visa si difficile a se procurer!!! voila en esperant une reponce de ta part; grand merci d avance.
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Best regards,
Gilles
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
Hi,
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
Hi everyone,
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks