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Bonjour je voudrai partir au japon en juin 2012. j'hésite entre Okiniwa et ogasawara shoto. je ne trouve que très peu de document sur Ogasawara. pouvez - vous m'aider ?
Japon: Okinawa ou les îles Bonin (Ogasawara shoto)?
by Agentlulu007
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Le hasard veut je parte pour Ogasawara apres-demain...
Question essentielle : es-tu deja allee au Japon, et pourquoi veux-tu visiter Okinawa ou Ogasawara ?
Si tu n'y es jamais allee, je dirais ni l'un, ni l'autre. Il y a enormement de choses a faire et a voir sur les iles principales, aller a Okinawa serait l'equivalent de commencer un voyage en France par Papeete, aller a Ogasawara serait l'equivalent d'aller aux Kerguelen.
Okinawa est un archipel developpe, assez facile d'acces (1h30 d'avion de Tokyo), plein d'activites a disposition, bien desservi, belles plongees, etc. C'est un petit bout de Japon tropical, infrastructures a disposition, tout ca. Par contre, c'est cher sur place.
Ogasawara c'est une toute autre histoire. Il n'y a pas d'aeroport, le -seul- moyen d'y aller est par bateau (3 a 4 bateaux par mois, 25h30 de trajet depuis Tokyo pour aller a Chichijima, l'ile principale, et apres 2h30 de plus pour Hahajima, les autres iles sont inhabitees et inaccessibles sauf dans le cadre d'activites touristiques encadrees). Patrimoine naturel pour l'Unesco depuis cette annee du fait d'especes rarissimes, un peu a la "galapagos". Le prix du bateau est fixe, il faut compter 500 EUR environ aller-retour minimum depuis Tokyo (salle a coucher commune), apres sur place aussi c'est pas donne. On ne te vendra pas de billet de bateau si tu n'as pas de quoi dormir (camping interdit). Il y a apparemment des baleines, des dauphins, etc. J'en saurai plus dans 3 jours (le temps d'y arriver). Quoi qu'il en soit, je ne te le conseille pas, sauf si tu connais deja bien le Japon ou que le Japon en lui-meme ne t'interesse pas (Ogasawara est a peu de choses pret une grosse reserve naturelle, pas de temples et autres sancturaires shinto a decouvrir...).
Question essentielle : es-tu deja allee au Japon, et pourquoi veux-tu visiter Okinawa ou Ogasawara ?
Si tu n'y es jamais allee, je dirais ni l'un, ni l'autre. Il y a enormement de choses a faire et a voir sur les iles principales, aller a Okinawa serait l'equivalent de commencer un voyage en France par Papeete, aller a Ogasawara serait l'equivalent d'aller aux Kerguelen.
Okinawa est un archipel developpe, assez facile d'acces (1h30 d'avion de Tokyo), plein d'activites a disposition, bien desservi, belles plongees, etc. C'est un petit bout de Japon tropical, infrastructures a disposition, tout ca. Par contre, c'est cher sur place.
Ogasawara c'est une toute autre histoire. Il n'y a pas d'aeroport, le -seul- moyen d'y aller est par bateau (3 a 4 bateaux par mois, 25h30 de trajet depuis Tokyo pour aller a Chichijima, l'ile principale, et apres 2h30 de plus pour Hahajima, les autres iles sont inhabitees et inaccessibles sauf dans le cadre d'activites touristiques encadrees). Patrimoine naturel pour l'Unesco depuis cette annee du fait d'especes rarissimes, un peu a la "galapagos". Le prix du bateau est fixe, il faut compter 500 EUR environ aller-retour minimum depuis Tokyo (salle a coucher commune), apres sur place aussi c'est pas donne. On ne te vendra pas de billet de bateau si tu n'as pas de quoi dormir (camping interdit). Il y a apparemment des baleines, des dauphins, etc. J'en saurai plus dans 3 jours (le temps d'y arriver). Quoi qu'il en soit, je ne te le conseille pas, sauf si tu connais deja bien le Japon ou que le Japon en lui-meme ne t'interesse pas (Ogasawara est a peu de choses pret une grosse reserve naturelle, pas de temples et autres sancturaires shinto a decouvrir...).
Bonjour
J'habite a Okinawa plus precisement sur l'ile d'Ishigaki, il faut 3h30 en avion de Tokyo ! Et tout est moins cher qu'a Tokyo ! environ 20 - 30 % Je suis la depuis 3 ans, c'est du sur mon info.
Bon voyage
J'habite a Okinawa plus precisement sur l'ile d'Ishigaki, il faut 3h30 en avion de Tokyo ! Et tout est moins cher qu'a Tokyo ! environ 20 - 30 % Je suis la depuis 3 ans, c'est du sur mon info.
Bon voyage
Bonjour
Tout d'abord merci pour votre réponse et pour votre avis. J'ai vu que on pouvait nager avec les dauphins aux iles bonins mais je n'avais pas vu que c'était 500 € le bateau j'avais compté 400 €. je ne suis jamais aller au Japon mais j'y projette d'y aller en 2012. J'avais hésité avec avec ses iles car okinawa est plus industrialisé alors que les iles bonins sont plus naturelle. Pourrez-vous me raconter votre voyage aux iles ? merci pour votre réponses
Tout d'abord merci pour votre réponse et pour votre avis. J'ai vu que on pouvait nager avec les dauphins aux iles bonins mais je n'avais pas vu que c'était 500 € le bateau j'avais compté 400 €. je ne suis jamais aller au Japon mais j'y projette d'y aller en 2012. J'avais hésité avec avec ses iles car okinawa est plus industrialisé alors que les iles bonins sont plus naturelle. Pourrez-vous me raconter votre voyage aux iles ? merci pour votre réponses
Quelle chance ! J'ai adoré Ishigaki.
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Ishigaki, waou, ca fait une trotte depuis Tokyo en effet (j'aurais dit 3h dans un sens et 4 dans l'autre, y'a pas une histoire de passage a Naha pour cause de piste trop courte ? 🙂 ). Tu fais quoi la-bas ?
Pour ce qui est des prix, je me base sur ce que j'ai "subi" a Okinawa-honto, jamais pousse jusqu'a Ishigaki.
Il y a sans doute des choses moins cheres (mais au total ca me parait etonnant 30% de moins, deja apparemment l'eau et l'essence sont beaucoup plus cheres a Okinawa que sur le continent il me semble non ?).
Pour ce qui est des prix, je me base sur ce que j'ai "subi" a Okinawa-honto, jamais pousse jusqu'a Ishigaki.
Il y a sans doute des choses moins cheres (mais au total ca me parait etonnant 30% de moins, deja apparemment l'eau et l'essence sont beaucoup plus cheres a Okinawa que sur le continent il me semble non ?).
Hello
Le bateau c'est 54720 JPY l'aller retour au moins cher pour Chichijima.
Combien de temps restes-tu au Japon ? Si c'est moins de 3 semaines, je pense que sortir des iles principales serait tres dommage, tu perdras enormement de temps en transports. Il y a ENORMEMENT de choses a voir sur les iles principales, y compris des coins tres sauvages si tu veux (montagnes, campagne, etc.).
Il y a des destinations tropicales beaucoup moins onereuses depuis la France, je ne pense pas qu'y aller pour ca soit une tres bonne idee...
Je prends le bateau dans 3h, je raconterai :)
Le bateau c'est 54720 JPY l'aller retour au moins cher pour Chichijima.
Combien de temps restes-tu au Japon ? Si c'est moins de 3 semaines, je pense que sortir des iles principales serait tres dommage, tu perdras enormement de temps en transports. Il y a ENORMEMENT de choses a voir sur les iles principales, y compris des coins tres sauvages si tu veux (montagnes, campagne, etc.).
Il y a des destinations tropicales beaucoup moins onereuses depuis la France, je ne pense pas qu'y aller pour ca soit une tres bonne idee...
Je prends le bateau dans 3h, je raconterai :)
salut
Je travaille a la maison car j'ai un site internet consacre au homestay au japon. Je possede egalement une petite guest house dans le nord de l'ile. C'est vrai que l'essence est plus chere de 10% mais a part ca tout est moins cher en particulier les legumes, les fruits etc.. l'eau en bouteille est tres bon marcge mais on peut se fournir en source naturelle ! ( C'est gratuit alors ). Le salaire moyen ( environ 1200 euros ) est tres bas ici par rapport au reste du Japon. D'ou des prix assez bas pour le Japon.
Je travaille a la maison car j'ai un site internet consacre au homestay au japon. Je possede egalement une petite guest house dans le nord de l'ile. C'est vrai que l'essence est plus chere de 10% mais a part ca tout est moins cher en particulier les legumes, les fruits etc.. l'eau en bouteille est tres bon marcge mais on peut se fournir en source naturelle ! ( C'est gratuit alors ). Le salaire moyen ( environ 1200 euros ) est tres bas ici par rapport au reste du Japon. D'ou des prix assez bas pour le Japon.
Bonjour,
vous habitez Okinawa ?
vous habitez Okinawa ?
oui sur l'ile d'Ishigaki
Et donc, me revoila a Tokyo apres un passage sur les iles Bonin.
Au final : cela n'a rien a voir avec Okinawa (l'ile principale d'Okinawa en tous cas). Ce n'est pas -du tout- un paradis tropical avec de belles plages. C'est une collection d'iles tres rocailleuses, avec un petit air de pointe du Raz (et un peu de jungle au-dessus). Il y a en effet des pelletees de dauphins en mer. Sur terre, beaucoup d'especes animales endemiques, dont des chauve-souris assez impressionnantes. L'histoire est tres recente, les iles n'ont ete peuplees que vers la fin du XIXe siecle, donc rien a voir en terme de monuments et pas vraiment de culture locale remontant a plusieurs siecles. C'est une destination "nature", avec decouverte de la jungle, plongee, etc.
Inclure ca dans un voyage au Japon est techniquement possible, mais il faut tenir compte du trajet tres (tres tres) long. Pas d'avion, 25h30 dans un bateau assez petit, empaquetes comme des sardines, sur un ocean parfois remuant, avec absolument rien a faire, c'est assez fatiguant.
Ce n'est pas vraiment le "Japon" historique, c'est une destination a part entiere qui appartient au Japon, un peu comme les Galapagos appartiennent a l'Equateur. La distance depuis le continent est d'ailleurs identique....
A disposition s'il y a des questions particulieres...
Au final : cela n'a rien a voir avec Okinawa (l'ile principale d'Okinawa en tous cas). Ce n'est pas -du tout- un paradis tropical avec de belles plages. C'est une collection d'iles tres rocailleuses, avec un petit air de pointe du Raz (et un peu de jungle au-dessus). Il y a en effet des pelletees de dauphins en mer. Sur terre, beaucoup d'especes animales endemiques, dont des chauve-souris assez impressionnantes. L'histoire est tres recente, les iles n'ont ete peuplees que vers la fin du XIXe siecle, donc rien a voir en terme de monuments et pas vraiment de culture locale remontant a plusieurs siecles. C'est une destination "nature", avec decouverte de la jungle, plongee, etc.
Inclure ca dans un voyage au Japon est techniquement possible, mais il faut tenir compte du trajet tres (tres tres) long. Pas d'avion, 25h30 dans un bateau assez petit, empaquetes comme des sardines, sur un ocean parfois remuant, avec absolument rien a faire, c'est assez fatiguant.
Ce n'est pas vraiment le "Japon" historique, c'est une destination a part entiere qui appartient au Japon, un peu comme les Galapagos appartiennent a l'Equateur. La distance depuis le continent est d'ailleurs identique....
A disposition s'il y a des questions particulieres...
Tout d abord merci pour votre reponse
Est ce que votre voyage c est bien passée ? Avez vous aimé ? J hesite a aller a Seoul ou a Ogasawara
Oui, j'ai vraiment adore et ca s'est tres bien passe, mais je cherchais surtout un depaysement total par rapport au centre-ville de Tokyo (c'est le cas...).
Seoul ou Ogasawara, c'est vraiment tres tres tres different....
Seoul ou Ogasawara, c'est vraiment tres tres tres different....
Bonjour
j'aimerai savoir dans quelle hotel avez-vous résidez et avez nager avec les dauphins. Il parait que l'anglais y est tres peu pratiqué ? Pouvez-vous m'en dire un peu plus sur votre séjour ?
j'aimerai savoir dans quelle hotel avez-vous résidez et avez nager avec les dauphins. Il parait que l'anglais y est tres peu pratiqué ? Pouvez-vous m'en dire un peu plus sur votre séjour ?
Hello
J'étais à l'auberge Beach Comber, assez isolée (15 minutes du centre du village en voiture environ) mais très sympa, dîner et pdj compris. A noter, il y a eu un effet "Patrimoine de l'Humanité" et ils sont complets jusque fin mars 2012. J'ai eu apparemment un bol terrible d'avoir une chambre libre (j'avais téléphoné à 15 autres hébergements avant). Le ferry ne vendra pas de billet si tu n'as pas de logement sur place (camping interdit sur toutes les îles).
Sur la pratique de l'anglais, question piège :) les premiers habitants étaient américains, l'archipel a été occupé pendant un bon petit bout de temps après la guerre, et en fait le dialecte local est apparemment un créole anglais avec des emprunts de japonais. Sauf que les personnes agées partent, car il n'y a pas d'hôpital sur l'île, et Ogasawara est la collectivité locale de la préfecture de Tokyo avec la moyenne d'âge la plus basse. Donc il y a de moins en moins de monde qui parle le créole en question. La langue locale est devenue le japonais standard, et toute l'industrie du tourisme est en japonais standard. Par contre, il y a des efforts apparemment très importants pour promouvoir l'écotourisme international, et il y a certains tour-operators sur l'île qui je pense proposaient des tours en anglais (en tous cas il y avait des brochures en anglais). La page de l'association touristique d'Ogasawara est bien faite, avec la liste des tour operators et les langues pratiquées. Je ne m'inquiéterais pas vraiment sur ce point. 99% des touristes sur place sont japonais, par contre (j'ai vu 4 autres étrangers au total).
Je plongeais, avec Papas, j'ai en effet nagé avec des dauphins (une quinzaine?), au retour d'une plongée du côté de Mukojima à 2h de bateau de Chichijima. Il y a beaucoup de dauphins, j'en ai vu à chaque sortie en bateau globalement. La saison des baleines n'est pas en ce moment, mais quelques personnes dans le bateau au retour m'ont dit en avoir vues.
Niveaux prix sur place, je dirais 20 à 30% de plus qu'à Tokyo.
Quelques photos
Le séjour a été très, très intéressant. C'est une destination "nature" fantastique, MAIS je le dis et je le répète, il ne faut pas prendre le déplacement pour y aller à la légère. 25h30 de bateau à l'aller dans un raffiot bondé, avec 4 trajets par mois, ça a un impact majeur sur tout. Il faut prévoir au MINIMUM ABSOLU 6 jours, dont 2 jours (51h...) pour le trajet A/R, et se renseigner bien en avance sur les disponibilités des hébergements (le bateau semble avoir plus de places que de chambres d'hôtel sur Chichijima, donc c'est moins critique).
Et c'est une destination à part entière, ça n'a pas grand-chose à voir avec le Japon continental, et ce n'est pas du tout une destination 'plage de rêve'. Pas de cocotier/plage de sable fin/jolis poissons...
J'étais à l'auberge Beach Comber, assez isolée (15 minutes du centre du village en voiture environ) mais très sympa, dîner et pdj compris. A noter, il y a eu un effet "Patrimoine de l'Humanité" et ils sont complets jusque fin mars 2012. J'ai eu apparemment un bol terrible d'avoir une chambre libre (j'avais téléphoné à 15 autres hébergements avant). Le ferry ne vendra pas de billet si tu n'as pas de logement sur place (camping interdit sur toutes les îles).
Sur la pratique de l'anglais, question piège :) les premiers habitants étaient américains, l'archipel a été occupé pendant un bon petit bout de temps après la guerre, et en fait le dialecte local est apparemment un créole anglais avec des emprunts de japonais. Sauf que les personnes agées partent, car il n'y a pas d'hôpital sur l'île, et Ogasawara est la collectivité locale de la préfecture de Tokyo avec la moyenne d'âge la plus basse. Donc il y a de moins en moins de monde qui parle le créole en question. La langue locale est devenue le japonais standard, et toute l'industrie du tourisme est en japonais standard. Par contre, il y a des efforts apparemment très importants pour promouvoir l'écotourisme international, et il y a certains tour-operators sur l'île qui je pense proposaient des tours en anglais (en tous cas il y avait des brochures en anglais). La page de l'association touristique d'Ogasawara est bien faite, avec la liste des tour operators et les langues pratiquées. Je ne m'inquiéterais pas vraiment sur ce point. 99% des touristes sur place sont japonais, par contre (j'ai vu 4 autres étrangers au total).
Je plongeais, avec Papas, j'ai en effet nagé avec des dauphins (une quinzaine?), au retour d'une plongée du côté de Mukojima à 2h de bateau de Chichijima. Il y a beaucoup de dauphins, j'en ai vu à chaque sortie en bateau globalement. La saison des baleines n'est pas en ce moment, mais quelques personnes dans le bateau au retour m'ont dit en avoir vues.
Niveaux prix sur place, je dirais 20 à 30% de plus qu'à Tokyo.
Quelques photos
Le séjour a été très, très intéressant. C'est une destination "nature" fantastique, MAIS je le dis et je le répète, il ne faut pas prendre le déplacement pour y aller à la légère. 25h30 de bateau à l'aller dans un raffiot bondé, avec 4 trajets par mois, ça a un impact majeur sur tout. Il faut prévoir au MINIMUM ABSOLU 6 jours, dont 2 jours (51h...) pour le trajet A/R, et se renseigner bien en avance sur les disponibilités des hébergements (le bateau semble avoir plus de places que de chambres d'hôtel sur Chichijima, donc c'est moins critique).
Et c'est une destination à part entière, ça n'a pas grand-chose à voir avec le Japon continental, et ce n'est pas du tout une destination 'plage de rêve'. Pas de cocotier/plage de sable fin/jolis poissons...
Bonjour
Merci pour vos precisions !!! Vos photos sont magnifiques!!! J ai vu pour le ferry qu il y a plusieurs classes !!! Les heures de bateau paraissent longues !!!
Certes, mais :il n'y a pas beaucoup de cabines 1ère classela différence de prix est de mémoire assez phénoménale...
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We’ll be sharing our adventure live on our travel journal, with photos and daily updates. Our itinerary, though classic, will let us discover the wonders of this vast country:
- Beijing (6 nights) - Zhangjiajie (5 nights) - Fenghuang (2 nights) - Longji (4 nights) - Yangshuo (5 nights) - Shanghai (4 nights)
We’re flying to China in a few days for a four-week trip—our first time in this fascinating country! 🇨🇳
We’ll be sharing our adventure live on our travel journal, with photos and daily updates. Our itinerary, though classic, will let us discover the wonders of this vast country:
- Beijing (6 nights) - Zhangjiajie (5 nights) - Fenghuang (2 nights) - Longji (4 nights) - Yangshuo (5 nights) - Shanghai (4 nights)
Hi there,
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m getting ready for a classic tourist trip to China in May 2026.
The "Terres Lointaines" itinerary looks good to me, and the price is interesting.
Has anyone traveled with them before? Any feedback?
Is there a better option?
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences on this!
Michel
hi, does anyone have suggestions or contacts for a private local driver without going through a big travel agency for a multi-day trip in Yunnan?
thanks for any info
thanks for any info
Hi there,
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I’m traveling to Japan with a young adult with autism (ASD) from July 28 to August 8, following a pretty classic route: Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, and Tokyo. I’m looking for a schedule of the most spectacular fireworks displays during that time. So far, the dates for the major *hanabi* events aren’t available online yet. If anyone has them, I’d really appreciate it if you could share!
Hi there,
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone, I’m Julien!
This summer, from late June to late July, I’m planning a one-month solo trip to Japan—my first time!
I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice on the itinerary I’ve put together to explore this amazing country.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?
Hi there,
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
I'm planning a 19-day itinerary in Japan this summer.
For a first trip, Kyoto seems like a must. For the rest, I'm torn between:
- Matsumoto, Takayama, Kanazawa for 5 to 6 days
- Kyoto 4 days
- Nara 2 days
- Koyasan 1 day
- Hakone/Mount Fuji 2 to 3 days
- Tokyo 3 days
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Hi there!
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
Hi everyone who’s reading this!
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
Hi everyone,
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
hi everyone, and first of all, I wish you all a happy new year and good health!
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane