Bad Experience in Dali
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Hi, July 2026: I’m writing to you from Dali. First, I got scammed on Booking—AI-retouched photos. No tourists at this hotel (Yishanju Designer Hotel), and the reality was horrible: dirty, with a disgusting breakfast. It’s better to use Trip.com here. Next, the old town was an infernal cacophony, packed with tourists who shoved past without a care. Some vendors harassed you to buy things. All the stalls sold the same cheap plastic junk or other uninteresting stuff. The beautiful scenery was ruined by vendors lining 100% of the alleys. Impossible to walk, crushing heat, nothing good to eat except fresh fruit. Horrible experience. Day 2: We went to Cangshan Mountain by cable car—the ride was short and nothing spectacular. We were at 2,600 m. My plan was to see Erhai Lake. Unfortunately, I followed the advice of an AI chatbot: take the boat at Langkan Dock. The Didi dropped us off in the nearest area, which was full of charming little alleys but packed with Chinese tourists. The three-wheeled yellow cabs zoomed through the narrow streets, forcing you to hug the walls, on top of the scooters and other pedestrians to deal with. Crossing the neighborhood was hellish and suffocating. Once out, we hit the "corniche," which was also packed with Chinese tourists. The lake’s edge was all pebbles, and everyone was standing around taking photos. I was with my 5-year-old son. I would’ve liked to sit down and let him play with stones by the water, but it was clear we didn’t belong. They were even shoving each other for a shot! There were no boats in sight. In short, we’d had enough, and there was nothing interesting there either. On the way back, we had to cross that maze again under the scorching sun. My son was braver than me—I even had a little dizzy spell from all the chaos. Add to that Dali’s altitude (2,200 m), so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day... The restaurants weren’t inviting—the staff served sticky rice in a little bucket. The dishes were wrapped, and you had to figure it out yourself. After that, they ignored you completely, even if you were the only tourist. On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, noise is everywhere, and the behavior of some Chinese people is abusive... Silver lining: not a drop of rain in 4 days and blue skies.

I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Add to that the fact that Dali is at 2,200 m altitude, so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day...

Hi, At 2,000 m, you can suffer from altitude sickness?! Good thing you didn’t go to the Tibetan Plateau! I went to Dali in 1986—it’s one of the places in China I loved most for its tranquility (outside the city, of course, since I don’t like cities), along with Lijiang and Tiger Leaping Gorge, and also Xishuangbanna (near Laos). Back then, there wasn’t a single tourist.

the staff serves you sticky rice in a small bcowl

At least it’s authentic! 😏

Apart from these somewhat remote places (at the time), I didn’t really like China. We were constantly hassled by the authorities, and almost everything was forbidden. With the rise of local tourism, mass tourism, and everything being so organized and controlled, I think I’d still prefer the China of old—when shopkeepers used abacuses and toilets (outside soulless big hotels) were communal!
NO Noraz ·
Hi,

"2000m and you can suffer from altitude?! Lucky you didn’t go to the Tibetan Plateau!"

I think everyone reacts differently. Personally, it was the crowds and noise in Dali that made me dizzy. Your experience of Dali is 40 years old. This city is extreme, and I feel the need to warn potential visitors because the stay can seriously turn into a nightmare. Don’t believe the guides who recommend 2 nights in Dali.

I arrived in Shaxi (pronounced *cha-shi*) today, and it’s absolutely stunning. You can wander peacefully through a pedestrian village that’s super photogenic. I can breathe again here. Still, I plan to push on to Tibet—I’m joking—just to Shangri-La with my 5-year-old son. I don’t want to sleep in Lijiang either. Without being racist: I can’t stand the crowds of Chinese tourists with their absurd behavior anymore. Some are really open and welcoming, though.

This afternoon, my son did a craft activity in a shop in Shaxi. The young girl who initially offered to help us completely ignored my son. We were the only Western tourists. She preferred to do the activity with the group of Chinese visitors in their twenties. After an hour, I still pointed it out because we were becoming invisible, and the activity required guidance... but despite my remark, she continued to ignore us. It’s just one example of the Chinese rudeness I deplore with sadness. China was a poor country before its rapid rise, and sometimes people think that’s the reason. But I don’t believe it. There are many poor countries that are very hospitable, like pre-war Syria or Iran.
PA Parigino Veteran ·
Dali is a dump, Lijiang too, and you’ll find the same thing in Shangri-La since everyone follows the same path. It’s really beautiful, but there are way too many people. What surprises me is that you still went there. It’s beyond Shangri-La that it gets interesting. On the other hand, I completely disagree with your take on the Chinese—sure, they’re loud, but they’re incredibly kind and always ready to help. And I didn’t just travel there for a few days; it was more like a few months.
NO Noraz ·
Hi Paragino,

I can’t stand crowds either, so I totally agree with you. It’s mass tourism, and you end up paying to come back exhausted—it’s just not worth it.

Where did you go beyond Shangri-La? I’m just looking for a bit of peace, authenticity, and beautiful nature, but not somewhere completely remote either, since I still care about comfort and decent food.

I have a 5-year-old who’s very (too) adventurous :)

Thanks
PA Parigino Veteran ·
Beyond Shangri-La lies the Tibetan plateau: Litang, Garze, Tagong... A bit more tranquility and breathtaking landscapes. But it's at 4,000m.
NO Noraz ·
I just got back from Jade Dragon Snow Mountain. I stayed at the ticket office level at 3,400 m, and I felt it: a headache and a bit short of breath. So I bought a bottle of oxygen for 25 CNY. My son was running around like nothing was wrong... there were no tickets left. I knew we should’ve booked in advance. Oh well, the cable car goes up to 4,500 m. The mountain is stunning.

We took a bus down to Blue Moon Valley. There was still a crowd, but it’s incredibly beautiful. We were lucky—it was sunny. I visited Lijiang after Dali, Shaxi, and Shuhe, and all these little shops are starting to feel repetitive. I much prefer Shaxi. Dali is the worst in terms of noise and crowds. If you’ve been to Shaxi or Shuhe, I don’t think Lijiang is worth it.

You can guess I won’t be going beyond Shangri-La. PS: Yes, the Chinese are always ready to help if needed and don’t mean any harm. Some just lack manners.
PA Parigino Veteran ·
Just to clarify, I wasn’t talking about Lijiang but about Litang!
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi, so about that bad experience... is it true that people in the "Celestial Dragon" make noise while eating?
NO Noraz ·
hello, bad experience then... is it true that the people of the Celestial Dragon make noise while eating?

Not just while eating :)
JE Jeeaan Globetrotter ·
July isn’t the best time to visit Yunnan. It’s packed. In October, we didn’t run into any of these issues.
AL Althema Regular ·
Exactly October-November, it was magical. But personally, some people are better off staying home, especially with little ones. Knowing how to choose destinations based on who you are and what you're looking for seems like the bare minimum. I love China in the spring and autumn, as well as the kindness of the Chinese people. Next trip this autumn: Xiahe, Langmusi, Turpan, Dunhuang, etc... Inner Mongolia and wherever the journey takes me 😊 Let's take advantage of the visa-free entry being reactivated for a little getaway 😍
LO Locosurf34 Veteran ·
I agree with you—it’s way too packed with people, it ruins everything. I preferred Wenshan, it’s more authentic.
NO Noraz ·
Dear Madam, please don’t criticize without reason. I manage my child well. Besides, he handled the crowds—and especially the altitude—better than I did! I mainly wanted to reassure other conscientious and well-organized parents. China is perfectly suited for children and even babies. There are indoor and outdoor playgrounds everywhere, kids’ spaces in shops and restaurants. Personally, I preferred domestic flights and air-conditioned private taxis, which aren’t expensive, but there are also very comfortable buses or minivans. Nature and walks are perfectly suited for them. My son loved Shangri-La.

**IMPORTANT TIP: HIRE A LOCAL GUIDE—IT REALLY CHANGES THE EXPERIENCE!** !
AL Althema Regular ·
Hello, You criticize the crowds, etc... I’ve traveled across China several times and I don’t need a guide at all. I love this magnificent country and the kindness of its people.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Hello,

Then, the old town was an infernal cacophony, packed with tourists who shoved you without a second thought. Some vendors harassed you to buy their stuff. All the stalls sold the same cheap plastic junk or other uninteresting items. The scenery was pretty, but the view was ruined by vendors lining 100% of the alleys. Impossible to move forward, scorching heat, nothing good to eat except fresh fruit. Horrible experience. Day 2: We went to Mount Cangshan by cable car. The ride was short and nothing spectacular. We were at 2,600 m. My plan was to see Erhai Lake. Unfortunately, I followed the advice of an AI chatbot: Take the boat at Langkan Dock. The Didi dropped us off as close as possible, in a neighborhood full of charming little alleys, but once again, it was swarming with Chinese tourists. The three-wheeled yellow cabs zoomed through the alleys, forcing you to hug the walls, on top of the mopeds and other pedestrians to deal with. Crossing the neighborhood was hellish and suffocating. Once out of there, we ended up on the "corniche." It was still packed with Chinese tourists. The lake’s edge was all pebbles, and all the tourists were standing around taking photos. I was with my 5-year-old son. I would’ve liked to sit down and let him play with stones by the water, but it was clear we didn’t belong there. They were even shoving each other for a shot! There were no boats in sight. In short, we’d had enough, and there was nothing interesting there either. On the way back, we had to cross that maze again under the blazing sun. My son was braver than me—I even had a little dizzy spell from all the overstimulation. Add to that Dali being at 2,200 m altitude, so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day... The restaurants were unappealing, the staff served sticky rice in little buckets. The dishes were wrapped, and you were on your own—then they completely ignored you, even if you were the only tourist. On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, there’s noise everywhere, and the behavior of the Chinese tourists is overwhelming...

When traveling, if you’re this on edge with everything and everyone, it usually means your body and mind are completely exhausted. In that case, one or two good, long nights of sleep usually solve the problem. It’s a bit like when our kids get too cranky—we figure they’re tired and send them to bed.

Still packed with Chinese tourists. (...) All the tourists were standing around taking photos. (...) It was clear we didn’t belong there. They were even shoving each other for a shot!

Yet, there are often great funny photos to take of people taking photos in public. Adapt and enjoy instead of complaining...
NO Noraz ·
I agree with you, it's way too crowded—it ruins everything. I preferred Wenshan; it's more authentic.

Yeah, Yunnan in July is peak season for Chinese tourists. Reading some of the replies, 2 nights of sleep are enough to shake off the overwhelming crowds everywhere... anyway, the behavior of Chinese tourists is an objective reality.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Reading some replies, 2 nights of sleep are enough to get rid of the overwhelming crowds everywhere...

No, that’s not at all what the person wrote—please make an effort to understand.

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