Munich to Venice by bike
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JA
Excellent bike path almost entirely off-road, with a really scenic route. We joined it in Bad Tölz after coming from Strasbourg and left it 100 km before Venice to stay in the mountains and connect with the end of the Via Claudia, which is probably on next year’s program. The trail is often on packed gravel, but even though some short sections aren’t great, our 32C tires were enough—though wider would’ve been better. Mostly wild camping, often by a lake or river. The signage is top-notch. The only downside is the noise from cars in some valleys—out of sight but not out of earshot.

Sites that explain it better than I can: https://italy-cycling-guide.info/ An English site—check the INTERNATIONAL CYCLE ROUTES section.

It’s almost *too* detailed—a 1:200,000 map is plenty.

And here’s a photo to inspire you!
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
thanks claudio jots this down in his notebook http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/euros/

and maybe one day he’ll head to nv a Nervesa della Battaglia like the salmon

claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
thanks for the tip Claudio looked into it

http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/euros/via-claudia-augusta/index.php

it seems doable but watch out for quite a few roads in Italy
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·
Route idea: start in Stuttgart heading toward Ulm, then Augsburg where you can pick up the Via Claudia Augusta.
BO Botanica50 ·
Hi, This route interests me. I’d just like to get a bit more detail on the elevation gain. Thanks
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·
For some unknown reason, it wasn’t calculating the elevation gain after Augsburg, after I merged the two files with my clumsy hands.

The corrected version* shows:

Stuttgart - Augsburg: 183.3 km and 1,417 m elevation gain Augsburg - Venice: 644.73 km and 4,373 m elevation gain

* couldn’t figure out how to replace the other one
JA Jaimemarcher Regular ·
In Italy, the route I took had no unpleasant roads at all, really. The path follows our accommodations marked in red, the yellow one was from two years ago on the Strasbourg-Salzburg-Strasbourg trip. As for the elevation gain from Strasbourg to Trento: 8,700 m over 1,100 km. Nothing too tough, despite the 28 kg on the bike and our few extra years. The return trip was a bit long with 7 trains in a row, because bike.
HA Hasahi Regular ·
Good evening, In 2015, I chose to follow the rivers to get from Venice to Austria. The pass may not be the easiest, but it’s doable by pushing the bikes by hand now and then. Plus, except for the last few kilometers, there are plenty of bike paths. The cycling trail along the Gail in Austria, which I took from Kötschach, is gorgeous—well-equipped and, for me, one of the most beautiful stretches of all my modest bike trips.

http://velorandonneurs.free.fr/etape-precedente-070615-gemona-kotschach-etape-suivante.html

The tracks are available in KML, and I can share them in GPX.
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
thanks saved links that actually looks pretty good come on! clauio adds it to his plans will he get to do it? if D.. lets me live a little longer.. why not claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·


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CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
This photo is amazing! I don’t know if it’s probably true that there’s no God (I’m picturing this photo in some regions!!)

But the "D" for cyclists was Velocio (Paul de Vivie). However, Claudio is digging up this project and will already do the tour in February... by bus and train, don’t worry. Just to wander around with the family and scout the area a bit.

Dossier in progress: http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/euros/via-claudia-augusta/index.php
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
so Claudio’s trying out a map to motivate himself it’s not easy to find the Via Claudio Augusta multiple versions pop up if anyone can shed some light on this Danke (I’m learning German)

Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·
There are two versions: - one that goes via Augsburg, which I’ve done - one that goes via Munich → Innsbruck and rejoins the first route before reaching Bolzano, but I haven’t found the route for this one.

In the summer, campgrounds are packed and pretty expensive (like: 20 € for a basic tent).
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
thanks a lot! I’ll note that down and keep researching.

claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
JA Jacqpat Regular ·
Hello! What a great project you’ve got there! Have you checked out this link before? It might be new to you: http://brouter.de/brouter-web/#map=9/46.3384/5.2556/OpenStreetMap If not, it could still be useful for others. By clicking on "Opencyclemap" in the top right, you can see almost all the cycling routes available, including the Via Claudia-Augusta (VIA). The results aren’t always super clear, especially in Eastern Europe, but for France, it’s much clearer—though that’s partly because there aren’t many dedicated cycling paths. It also lets you calculate the distance of your route from one point to another and download the GPS track. That’s what I did for a trip to Bavaria last June, and it worked perfectly. Good luck with your prep! For this Via Claudia, I did the Munich to Bolzano stretch a few years ago before getting lost in the Dolomites, and I have great memories of it. Patrick
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
thanks I’ll check that out claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
Thanks for these details!

So, I’ve picked up the planning again—this loop can actually be closed! From Faverges back to Faverges, passing through Geneva, Zurich, the Danube via Augsburg, Venice, and Turin. That’s a solid 2,000 km, and you don’t even need the train...

cbandiera.free.fr/...ia-augusta/index.php

Maybe in 2019 or 2020 if Velocio is up for it. Already in March 2019, we did a little two-person trip by bus and train to the Tyrol with my Tyrolean companion.

Thanks!

Claudio

Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
JA Jacqpat Regular ·
True, that’s going to be quite a trip... It almost makes me want to do it too. Are you planning to do it all in one go, and how long will it take? Don’t forget to pack a rain jacket, though—Austria and Switzerland can be pretty unpredictable when it comes to weather.

I get the feeling you enjoy planning your trips on maps almost as much as you’ll enjoy the trip itself. I think I’m the same way. No matter what hiccups come up, travel really is three phases of fun: before, during, and after... So enjoy this first phase! Patrick
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
Absolutely, just looking at the map, I’m already in the landscape... We cyclists don’t just look at the landscape—we’re part of it, we soak it in.

We’re totally on the same page about the three phases. And as Georges used to say, "The best moment is when you’re climbing the stairs." That still holds true. -- It’s a bit like *Voyage Around My Room*, as my illustrious neighbor Xavier would say.

fr.wikipedia.org/...autour_de_ma_chambre (Though he didn’t have the interwebs, just everything in his head.)

For my part, this should materialize in 2019 or 2020 over 15 or 20 days (more reasonable) (one shot in French). Among these N+1 projects: cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/projets.php/ -- From the videos I’ve seen, they all have the hood up... -- I know Switzerland a little from riding from Geneva to Lake Constance. Venice—Faverges, I’ve already said it! Let’s try following their *Via Padana*! (I fear the worst.) - I discovered this *Via Claudia Augusta* by chance on the forum, and it immediately appealed to me (like catnip). And surprisingly, it’s (almost) flat—the Alps are at 1500 m altitude (unexpected!). -- What’s certain is that in 2019, we’ll do this trip by bus... and train with my wife, just to share the experience and see what’s going on. (Bus ticket from Geneva to Munich already booked for 26 €—250 € if we’d taken the train.) We’ll decide what to do next later. -- Maybe by bike in May 2019 (we’ll have to make choices), and the northern part of France in July-August (since all the Parisians will be at the seaside). -- What’s certain is that the three phases, like the current, keep me busy in retirement... Too bad it all has to end someday...

Claudio from Faverges, the home of the Écombettes
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
JA Jacqpat Regular ·
Completely agree with your... philosophical thoughts on travel, especially the kind we're talking about—by bike. I’d add that no matter your age, what matters is having projects. From what I can tell, you don’t seem to be lacking in those! That said, it’s true that hills can get tougher with age—we just go a little slower!!!!

For my part, one of my next projects is to ride the Via Rhôna from Givors to Marseille. I’d already gone up the Rhône from Geneva to its source, and the rest didn’t seem worth it—biking between hydroelectric plants and nuclear power stations didn’t sound like my idea of fun. But then, in Bavaria, I met a Dutch pannier-traveling couple who raved about it. So, since only fools never change their minds... I’ll be doing it in early spring. Plus, four of my grandkids live in Marseille, so that’s a great excuse. Since you seem to be one of the top experts on the Via Rhôna on this forum, I’ll DM you for more details. Patrick
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
bravo! Arrival in Marseille is not recommended, especially with kids, but from Lyon to Arles it’s doable. Even the Lyon–Givors stretch can be ridden… let’s say on Sundays before church lets out. And if you’re determined, definitely avoid the ridiculous ViaRhôna route between Venaison and Givors via Ternay (two bridges with no bike infrastructure) and a stretch that’s, let’s say, a bit sketchy, plus another section that’s pure mountain-bike terrain.

claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
AR Arbéron Regular ·
On our Dolomites-Venice route, we made our way to Treviso via the lovely Val Sugana bike path, passing through Bassano del Grappa and the springs of the Sile River. It’s shorter and maybe even prettier. For crossing the Alps without too much elevation gain, in a longitudinal direction, there’s also our trans-alpina route, which even goes through Faverges! ;)
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
In Italy, things have moved on, because I know the Treviso area well since it’s where I’m from. Trans-Alpina—I don’t know it at all!! What a gap in my knowledge, Claude.

Could you explain a bit more? I know the Via Rhoen and the Via Prealpina (Claude’s word), but not the Trans-Alpina. Danke (I’m starting to learn German).

Claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
AR Arbéron Regular ·
here’s our trans-Alpina route: https://tsagaventure.com/2017/10/12/trans-alpina-velo-sommaire-et-carte/
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
thanks well done indeed, it passes near Faverges, 800 m from La Datcha du Glaude beautiful and budget-friendly

claudio
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
TO Tontonfred ·
Route idea: departure from Stuttgart heading to Ulm, then Augsburg where you can pick up the Via Claudia Augusta.

Hi, I was wondering if you flew to Stuttgart or took the train to get there? Stuttgart is a stopover on my upcoming July trek, and some participants might join us from there. Best regards, Frédéric
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·
Direct train from Paris.

In Stuttgart, an interesting attraction for cyclists: the barge in front of tram 10 to climb the hill.

By the way, it’s such a steep climb that the tram is a cogwheel train.



http://www.cat-bus.com/2013/04/220/
TO Tontonfred ·
Bikes in front of trams work great as a complement in Stuttgart, from what I can see. But what about trains—can you take your bike on the Paris–Stuttgart route? Thanks for your tips!
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·
Paris-Stuttgart is served by either ICE (DE) or TGV (FR), depending on the schedule, so there are a few bike spots available—but they require a paid reservation.

That’s why I now travel with a Brompton—no more hassle with that!

Having said that, the Stuttgart-Augsburg stretch isn’t all that interesting, so I’d recommend finding a way to start directly in Augsburg instead.

TO Tontonfred ·
Thanks for the info on the trains. I didn’t know about the bottom part. Can you still take a non-folding bike on them, though?
LA Langenscheid Veteran ·
"Bottom"?

As far as I know, the only way to take a train for free with a non-folding bike is to stick to local trains, but it’s slow and often more expensive.



http://400jours.com/pourquoi-voyager-en-brompton/
TO Tontonfred ·
I meant Brompton... I confused it with "bottom" because I took a tumble on my bike recently, and my bottom got up close and personal with the tarmac.
TO Tontonfred ·
I used the train in Ireland last weekend with my bike. There’s no extra charge, but it’s recommended to book a spot for your bike online since there are only two spots available. Getting around by train in Ireland is really comfortable. Here’s a photo of my bike on the train.
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
Claudio just got back (by bus and train) to scout the route a bit. Travel journal and photos coming soon!

http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2019-italie/
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
CB Cbandiera Globetrotter ·
6 years later Claudio, who’s got persistence, is back on the topic! Departure planned for May 2025—if all goes well. The route’s ready, at least. It’s gonna be tough, especially in Italy! And the accommodations! Why so expensive?

2000 km in 21 days—camping and hotels. We’ll be camping, but as long as there’s water to wash the weasel.

For now, it’s the Coué method.

http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2025-via-augusta/
Claudio de la Faverges. Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste. plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
JB Jbeccher ·
Hi everyone, We’re planning a family trip from Munich to Venice by bike this summer. Accommodations are scarce and really expensive in the Dolomites. Does anyone know if wild camping or bivouacking is allowed along the route, especially between Dobbiaco and Cortina? Thanks so much for your help!

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