Pérou - Équateur à vélo: ordinateur avec GPS intégré et visualisation Google Earth?
by Etchelecou
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Beaucoup de nouveautés en informatique ... Y a-t-il quelqu'un qui connaîtrait une sorte de mouton à cinq pattes pour vélo : un netbook très léger, étanche, avec puce gps intégrée permettant la connection satellite rapide même dans les déserts - sans réseau téléphonique, et visualisant instantanément le point sur google earth ?
Peut-être les accrocs des nouveaux matériels peuvent-ils répondre ?
A moins que la solution passe par une connection usb d'une puce gps et qui puissent visualiser le point où l'on se trouve dans google earth ?
Serait-ce plus facile avec les systèmes logiciels windows ? avec Androïd ?
Merci si on peut avoir le point aujourd'hui avec les matériels existants.
André Etchelecou
http://ddvagabondages.fr
iPhone 5 avec batterie d'appoint et installation sur le guidon
Le logiciel Mapmyride (disponible sur iPhone et lien Internet) est un bon complément.
J'utilise aussi openrunner.com pour la préparation des trajets (distances, dénivelés).
Les cartes papier (ou plastifiées) restent pertinentes: aucune batterie d'appoint requise, même après 3 jours, même après 3 semaines ...; Plus amusant (surtout pour les vieux de la vieille!), meilleure vue d'ensemble, le rêve et la projection des jours à venir sont davantage tangibles !
Evidemment il manque le positionnement (la carte ne nous explique pas où nous sommes et comment nous avons fait pour s'y égarer!). Dictionnaire / traducteur est donc un bon complément pour discuter avec les locaux ... (sur iPhone: iTranslate )
Depuis les Pyrénées en 2011 nous utilisons aussi un iPad; Son écran plus grand et sa facilité de navigation sur l'écran est un avantage très utile. Il faut tout de même recharger les batteries et avoir un lien Internet (wifi, 3G ou LTE)
Comme disait ma fille de 12 ans, drôle d'anachronisme! (en camping près de Vieilha, nous étions tous les 4 adossés à un vieux mur de pierres genre 14e siècle, chacun en train de pitonner sur nos iPhones et iPad respectifs!) (Mac fanatic depuis 1988 ...)
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Les cartes papier (ou plastifiées) restent pertinentes: aucune batterie d'appoint requise, même après 3 jours, même après 3 semaines ...; Plus amusant (surtout pour les vieux de la vieille!), meilleure vue d'ensemble, le rêve et la projection des jours à venir sont davantage tangibles !
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Comme disait ma fille de 12 ans, drôle d'anachronisme! (en camping près de Vieilha, nous étions tous les 4 adossés à un vieux mur de pierres genre 14e siècle, chacun en train de pitonner sur nos iPhones et iPad respectifs!) (Mac fanatic depuis 1988 ...)
Google Earth sans liaison internet ?????
il faut prévoir la cartographie de la région en statut "hors ligne", chargé à l'avance sur n'importe quelle (ou quasi) tablette, phablette ou smartphone ... -
sur mon matos (tablette + phone android), j'utilise l'application "alpinequest" et des fonds créés sur PC avec l'application "Mobac"...
nb : voir les sujets traités récemment sur l'utilisation de ce type de matos ...
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
Bonjour,
La connexion sattellite me paraît bien compliquée et une batterie d'iPhone, même avec appoint reste faiblarde, surtout pour une utilisation continue ou presque du GPS !
Je vous recommande d'opter pour un GPS outdoor. Garmin reste un leader dans le domaine. Ensuite, si vous souhaitez ajouter des fonds de cartes facilement et gratuitement, je vous recommande d'importer les données OpenStreetMap, comme indiqué ici : http://www.tripanou.com/menu-organisation/menu-gps/268-art-gps-donnees-osm.html
Ajoutez à cela des traces du type http://www.wikiloc.com/ et vous devriez vous en sortir aisément :)
Julien
La connexion sattellite me paraît bien compliquée et une batterie d'iPhone, même avec appoint reste faiblarde, surtout pour une utilisation continue ou presque du GPS !
Je vous recommande d'opter pour un GPS outdoor. Garmin reste un leader dans le domaine. Ensuite, si vous souhaitez ajouter des fonds de cartes facilement et gratuitement, je vous recommande d'importer les données OpenStreetMap, comme indiqué ici : http://www.tripanou.com/menu-organisation/menu-gps/268-art-gps-donnees-osm.html
Ajoutez à cela des traces du type http://www.wikiloc.com/ et vous devriez vous en sortir aisément :)
Julien
Salut
D'accord avec la carte papier comme roue de secours, mais en traçant dessus son parcours au moins 2 fois par jour pour savoir où on est, à la manière des marins du temps de la navigation au sextant et à la boussole.
Mais attention avec le matériel qui commence par i... Lire pas moins de 7 marques commerciales commençant par i... dans le même message me dérange un peu. Mais surtout, ces matériels ont un défaut pour le voyageur à vélo qui désire s'équiper pour tenir plusieurs jours sans transporter une grosse batterie annexe : la batterie de l'appareil n'est pas interchangeable sans outil. À l'heure où on parle beaucoup de recyclage ou et où on devrait se préoccuper de faire durer le matériel, c’est un peu anachronique (ou purement commercial ?). Et quand on veut voyager léger avec seulement l'appareil, un chargeur et deux batteries standards, avec cette marque, c'est tout bonnement impossible.
Avec un smartphone d'une autre marque, c'est pourtant très simple ; un chargeur annexe sur secteur (très léger) et 2 ou 3 batteries de secours, et changement de la batterie en quelques secondes pour vraiment pas cher.
J'ai acheté un chargeur et une seconde batterie pour mon (pas de pub pour une marque : marque asiatique) et pour rester en France et Europe avec accès à une prise secteur au moins une fois par semaine, je peux utiliser le GPS de mon smartphone quand je suis perdu (donc absolument pas en continu) sans angoisse, je sais que quand la batterie est à plat en quelques seconde j'en ai une à bloc en réserve.
Avec le smartphone en mode avion si tu es dans une zone sans couverture, et en allumant le GPS quand c'est nécessaire, la batterie standard dure plusieurs jours, avec 2 ou 3 batteries de rechange, tu tiens donc bien 2 semaines sans accès au secteur, en utilisant le GPS quelques fois dans la journée et en consultant ou envoyant des mails quand on traverse une zone couverte. 2 semaines cela représente 1 000 km à raison de 70 km par jour.
Donc, si tu sais que tu pourras charger tous les 8 ou 10 jours, au lieu d'emporter une batterie annexe lourde, un chargeur et 2 ou 3 batteries standard à charger aux étapes sera moins lourd. De plus, tu peux charge le phone (avec une batterie à l'intérieur) et une autre batterie simultanément, donc en 2 fois la durée de charge standard, tu auras chargé 4 batteries, c'est donc 2 fois plus rapide que si tu chargeais une batterie annexe de même capacité que les 4 batteries standard.
Pour les fonds de cartes, oruxmaps est une application gratuite qui n'est pas disponible pour une seule marque de téléphone, et qui te permets en wifi de charger et de garder des fonds de cartes. Il te suffit de visualiser tranquilement de chez toi les endroits où tu passeras en variant le degré de zooms et ces cartes resteront ensuite consultables hors ligne, et constitueront alors le fond de carte de ton gps que tu prendras soin de ne pas activer en permanence pour préserver un peu ton autonomie.
Bref, il existe des solutions peu chères et peu lourdes si tu décides de te passer d'un écran type tablette ou ordinateur, vu que c'est la taille de l'écran qui détermine souvent la durée d'autonomie de ces appareils.
Bien sûr, si le poids n'importe peu, prends un plus grand écran, mais cela impliquera de transporter et d'avoir à charger une ou deux batteries annexes de grosse capacité en sachant que même avec un moyeu dynamo sur la vélo, ces grosses batteries n'arriveront jamais à être chargées en une journée entière de pédalage.
D'accord avec la carte papier comme roue de secours, mais en traçant dessus son parcours au moins 2 fois par jour pour savoir où on est, à la manière des marins du temps de la navigation au sextant et à la boussole.
Mais attention avec le matériel qui commence par i... Lire pas moins de 7 marques commerciales commençant par i... dans le même message me dérange un peu. Mais surtout, ces matériels ont un défaut pour le voyageur à vélo qui désire s'équiper pour tenir plusieurs jours sans transporter une grosse batterie annexe : la batterie de l'appareil n'est pas interchangeable sans outil. À l'heure où on parle beaucoup de recyclage ou et où on devrait se préoccuper de faire durer le matériel, c’est un peu anachronique (ou purement commercial ?). Et quand on veut voyager léger avec seulement l'appareil, un chargeur et deux batteries standards, avec cette marque, c'est tout bonnement impossible.
Avec un smartphone d'une autre marque, c'est pourtant très simple ; un chargeur annexe sur secteur (très léger) et 2 ou 3 batteries de secours, et changement de la batterie en quelques secondes pour vraiment pas cher.
J'ai acheté un chargeur et une seconde batterie pour mon (pas de pub pour une marque : marque asiatique) et pour rester en France et Europe avec accès à une prise secteur au moins une fois par semaine, je peux utiliser le GPS de mon smartphone quand je suis perdu (donc absolument pas en continu) sans angoisse, je sais que quand la batterie est à plat en quelques seconde j'en ai une à bloc en réserve.
Avec le smartphone en mode avion si tu es dans une zone sans couverture, et en allumant le GPS quand c'est nécessaire, la batterie standard dure plusieurs jours, avec 2 ou 3 batteries de rechange, tu tiens donc bien 2 semaines sans accès au secteur, en utilisant le GPS quelques fois dans la journée et en consultant ou envoyant des mails quand on traverse une zone couverte. 2 semaines cela représente 1 000 km à raison de 70 km par jour.
Donc, si tu sais que tu pourras charger tous les 8 ou 10 jours, au lieu d'emporter une batterie annexe lourde, un chargeur et 2 ou 3 batteries standard à charger aux étapes sera moins lourd. De plus, tu peux charge le phone (avec une batterie à l'intérieur) et une autre batterie simultanément, donc en 2 fois la durée de charge standard, tu auras chargé 4 batteries, c'est donc 2 fois plus rapide que si tu chargeais une batterie annexe de même capacité que les 4 batteries standard.
Pour les fonds de cartes, oruxmaps est une application gratuite qui n'est pas disponible pour une seule marque de téléphone, et qui te permets en wifi de charger et de garder des fonds de cartes. Il te suffit de visualiser tranquilement de chez toi les endroits où tu passeras en variant le degré de zooms et ces cartes resteront ensuite consultables hors ligne, et constitueront alors le fond de carte de ton gps que tu prendras soin de ne pas activer en permanence pour préserver un peu ton autonomie.
Bref, il existe des solutions peu chères et peu lourdes si tu décides de te passer d'un écran type tablette ou ordinateur, vu que c'est la taille de l'écran qui détermine souvent la durée d'autonomie de ces appareils.
Bien sûr, si le poids n'importe peu, prends un plus grand écran, mais cela impliquera de transporter et d'avoir à charger une ou deux batteries annexes de grosse capacité en sachant que même avec un moyeu dynamo sur la vélo, ces grosses batteries n'arriveront jamais à être chargées en une journée entière de pédalage.
Pas de deuxième vague en Europe : https://tinyurl.com/y5ytqzej
en complément, il est bien sûr indispensable d'être en autonomie électrique, dès que l'on s'équipe de ce genre d'instrument .... et, niveau débit et fiabilité, je ne vois guère qu'un moyeu-dynamo (ou dynamo haut de gamme) + régulateur et batterie tampon - à préférer sans doute aux panneaux solaires - parfois limités si l'inclinaison n'est pas optimale ou si le temps est bouché ....
Cela dit, une fois que l'alim ne pose plus problème ... et compte tenu du fait que l'on a besoin de n'avoir la vision de la carte qu'épisodiquement (aux croisements - en cas d'incertitude ...) ... j'ai tendance à préférer un affichage assez grand (tablette 7" me paraît être un bon compromis ..) ...
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
Hola André,
Mais que diable veux-tu faire avec un GPS au Pérou et en Equateur ?
Bien à toi.
Enzo
Mais que diable veux-tu faire avec un GPS au Pérou et en Equateur ?
Bien à toi.
Enzo
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Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Heinz Stucke has passed away.
He never stopped traveling the world since 1962.
So sad.
https://www.facebook.com/heinzstucke
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hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hello,
Has anyone here had experience using a gas stove in Sardinia and Sicily? I’m wondering if screw-on gas canisters (not the blue Campingaz ones, but brands like Coleman, Primus, etc.) are easy to find.
Thanks for your feedback!
Thanks for your feedback!
Hi there,
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
Coming soon:
https://www.Biclou.com/parcours/durance/
Starting from Faverges: 900 km over 9 days

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Hi there,
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
Hi there!
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.






