Itinéraire Marseille/Paris - Auschwitz et hébergement à Cracovie pour un voyage scolaire
by Gwenolée
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bonjour
Je souhaite visiter Auswitz avec une classe d'environ 25 ados + 3 adultes soit au départ de Marseille soit de Paris ( car nous en profiterions pour nous rendre à Drancy et au mémorial de la Shoah à Paris ), en train ou en car .
est ce que quelqu'un peut me renseigner à la fois sur les itinéraires mais aussi sur les possibilités d'hébergement à Cracovie ainsi que sur le budget à prévoir pour environ une semaine?
Merci par avance!
Euh... des possibilités de logement, à Cracovie, il y en a. Aucun problème. Ca doit être la 2è ou la 3è ville de Pologne.
Après, pour 30 personnes, c'est une logistique particulière... je doute que tu trouves beaucoup de monde pour répondre à ce genre de question ici. Il n'y a pas des agences spécialisées dans les voyages de classe ?
Bonjour,
Vous pouvez avantageusement organiser ça vous-même à mon avis : lycées partenaires ? Demandes de subventions ? (Il y en a pour ce genre de visites au secrétariat aux Anciens combattants)
L'idéal serait l'autocar, mais le groupe est assez petit et le budget va s'envoler.
Je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'un voyage scolaire raisonnable ne doit pas coûter aux parents plus de 200 euros pour une semaine.
Michel
Vous pouvez avantageusement organiser ça vous-même à mon avis : lycées partenaires ? Demandes de subventions ? (Il y en a pour ce genre de visites au secrétariat aux Anciens combattants)
L'idéal serait l'autocar, mais le groupe est assez petit et le budget va s'envoler.
Je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'un voyage scolaire raisonnable ne doit pas coûter aux parents plus de 200 euros pour une semaine.
Michel
Bonjour,
Vous pouvez avantageusement organiser ça vous-même à mon avis : lycées partenaires ? Demandes de subventions ? (Il y en a pour ce genre de visites au secrétariat aux Anciens combattants)
L'idéal serait l'autocar, mais le groupe est assez petit et le budget va s'envoler.
Je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'un voyage scolaire raisonnable ne doit pas coûter aux parents plus de 200 euros pour une semaine.
Michel
Vous pouvez avantageusement organiser ça vous-même à mon avis : lycées partenaires ? Demandes de subventions ? (Il y en a pour ce genre de visites au secrétariat aux Anciens combattants)
L'idéal serait l'autocar, mais le groupe est assez petit et le budget va s'envoler.
Je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'un voyage scolaire raisonnable ne doit pas coûter aux parents plus de 200 euros pour une semaine.
Michel
j'ai entamé la "pêche" aux subventions mais nous sommes en période de vaches maigres et je ne veux surtout pas faire peser cette charge sur les familles ! 200 euros, cela me semble déjà trop!
Ce qui me manque surtout ce sont les itinéraires et les tarifs ( trains surtout ainsi qu'hébergement )
Re....
Vous ne descendrez pas au-dessous de 200 euros à mon avis.
Une nuit avec petit déjeuner en AJ ne sera jamais moins de 10/12 euros, et les transports pour parvenir en Pologne ne sont pas si bon marché, surtout pas les trains. Vous aurez à ajouter des choses comme l'assurance rapatriement, style 6 euros/élève/semaine, les visites, les transports locaux....... Les repas.....
Un autocar sera du genre 1, 60 euro du Km plus prise en charge du chauffeur.
Michel
Vous ne descendrez pas au-dessous de 200 euros à mon avis.
Une nuit avec petit déjeuner en AJ ne sera jamais moins de 10/12 euros, et les transports pour parvenir en Pologne ne sont pas si bon marché, surtout pas les trains. Vous aurez à ajouter des choses comme l'assurance rapatriement, style 6 euros/élève/semaine, les visites, les transports locaux....... Les repas.....
Un autocar sera du genre 1, 60 euro du Km plus prise en charge du chauffeur.
Michel
Hello, chère collègue,
J'ai entrepris ce voyage 2006, avec une quinzaine d'élèves de 3e.
Habitant ds le 92, dépt le plus riche de france, le coup du voyage (avion, hotel, bus) est revenu à 15 euros par élève dans la mesure uù l'on a reçu une subvention d'un montant que la décence m'interdit dévoquer ici, surtout pour une collègue d'un dpt plus pauvre 😛
On est passé par serge frydman, de l' AFMA 92...
Contacte-le, il t'aidera pour les subventions, c'est lui qui s'occupe de trouver bus et logement. Dans le pire des cas, il te filera plein d'infos...
Le mieux est de visiter auschwitz en hiver ou en été.
Si tu veux d'autres infos, ciontacte-moi en privé, je suis un garçon tres gentil 🙂
Ciao
J'ai entrepris ce voyage 2006, avec une quinzaine d'élèves de 3e.
Habitant ds le 92, dépt le plus riche de france, le coup du voyage (avion, hotel, bus) est revenu à 15 euros par élève dans la mesure uù l'on a reçu une subvention d'un montant que la décence m'interdit dévoquer ici, surtout pour une collègue d'un dpt plus pauvre 😛
On est passé par serge frydman, de l' AFMA 92...
Contacte-le, il t'aidera pour les subventions, c'est lui qui s'occupe de trouver bus et logement. Dans le pire des cas, il te filera plein d'infos...
Le mieux est de visiter auschwitz en hiver ou en été.
Si tu veux d'autres infos, ciontacte-moi en privé, je suis un garçon tres gentil 🙂
Ciao
Ben
Bonjour,
Tu as trouvé des subventions pour l'hébergement ? 🤪
La plupart du temps les subventions européennes, conseils généraux ou régionaux s'en tiennent à une part du coût du transport - 60% par exemple. En tous cas c'est la règle dans les régions pauvres.....
Michel
Tu as trouvé des subventions pour l'hébergement ? 🤪
La plupart du temps les subventions européennes, conseils généraux ou régionaux s'en tiennent à une part du coût du transport - 60% par exemple. En tous cas c'est la règle dans les régions pauvres.....
Michel
Le conseil général de mon département ne donne pas un sou pour les voyages estimant que nous pouvons nous débrouiller avec la subvention annuelle de fonctionnement du collège qui serait déjà "très élevée" Ayant siégé plusieurs années au CA je sais que c'est complètement faux ..Mais bon, c'est ainsi..La communauté de commune pourrait donner qq chose, les assoc juives sûrement qq chose, le ministère de la défense idem, l'inspection académique m'a carrément gentiement ri au nez tellement ma demande paraîssait incongrue "des crédits, mais vous n'y songez pas, vous ne suivez pas l'actualité "?
A suivre..
Bonsoir,
Ne dites jamais que vous faites un voyage, inscrivez-vous dans une perspective d'action innovante, une étude de milieu dans un partenariat, même un peu factice, ou quelque chose comme ça 🙂... En tous cas méfiez-vous du train : cher, je ne l'ai jamais vu compétitif dans ce genre de projet.
Michel
Ne dites jamais que vous faites un voyage, inscrivez-vous dans une perspective d'action innovante, une étude de milieu dans un partenariat, même un peu factice, ou quelque chose comme ça 🙂... En tous cas méfiez-vous du train : cher, je ne l'ai jamais vu compétitif dans ce genre de projet.
Michel
Merci du conseil😉! En fait il s'agit de savoir se vendre mais ce n''est malheureusement pas ma "culture " ..J'estime que le projet qui est transdisciplinaire est assez éloquent par lui même ..Bien évidemment, il ne s'agit pas d'un simple voyage ..Par ailleurs si je n'obtiens pas de crédit je renoncerai bien sûr à ce projet, en tout cas je l'adapterai ..Car je ne veux pas faire supporter aux familles le désengagement des pouvoirs pubics ni laisser de gamins sur le bord du chemin parce qu'ils ne peuvent pas payer..
Vous nous direz, mais je doute que vous tombiez sous les 200 euros...
Michel
Michel
Bonjour, Nous sommes une agence récéptive francophone basée à Cracovie spécialisée dans l'organisation de séjours scolaires en Pologne et en République Tchèque. Nous serions vraiment heureux de pouvoir vous aider à organiser votre voyage. Dans le cas où vou seriez intéressés, merci de nous envoyer un message à l'adresse suivante: paul@promenada.pl. Nous pourrions vous proposer un hébérgement pour votre groupe à des tarifs très intéressants ainsi que des guides pour la visite des camps d'Auschwitz Birkenau et éventuellement de la ville de Cracovie. En espérant pouvoir répondre à vos attente, Très très bonne journée, Paul
Polka
Bonjour,
j'ai à plusieurs reprises fait ce voyage avec des élèves .Nous avions chaque fois voyagé avec l'agence New east:www.new-east.fr. Il me semble que la somme de 200 euros n'est pas suffisante d'autant plus que vous n'êtes pas assez nombreux pour remplir un car:Nous étions partis avec 2 classes et 5 accompagnateurs. Pour loger:il existe non loin du camp, un centre allemand pour la jeunesse sinon 1 fois nous avions logé dans un hotel à auschitz et une autre fois dans une auberge de jeunesse à Cracovie... Il existe des aides mais c'est un peu tard ....Si vous aves besoin d'autres renseignements, n'hésitez pas à me contacter ...
j'ai à plusieurs reprises fait ce voyage avec des élèves .Nous avions chaque fois voyagé avec l'agence New east:www.new-east.fr. Il me semble que la somme de 200 euros n'est pas suffisante d'autant plus que vous n'êtes pas assez nombreux pour remplir un car:Nous étions partis avec 2 classes et 5 accompagnateurs. Pour loger:il existe non loin du camp, un centre allemand pour la jeunesse sinon 1 fois nous avions logé dans un hotel à auschitz et une autre fois dans une auberge de jeunesse à Cracovie... Il existe des aides mais c'est un peu tard ....Si vous aves besoin d'autres renseignements, n'hésitez pas à me contacter ...
Bonsoir,
Les 200 euros dont je parlais c'était pour des organisations privées, sans agences.
Michel
Les 200 euros dont je parlais c'était pour des organisations privées, sans agences.
Michel
Bonjour,
Pour les subventions relevant du Ministère de la Défense : Direction de la Mémoire, du Patrimoine et des Archives Sous-direction de l'action culturelle et éducative Bureau des actions pédagogiques 14, rue St Dominique 00450 Armées dmpa-com@sga.defense.gouv.fr
Michel
Pour les subventions relevant du Ministère de la Défense : Direction de la Mémoire, du Patrimoine et des Archives Sous-direction de l'action culturelle et éducative Bureau des actions pédagogiques 14, rue St Dominique 00450 Armées dmpa-com@sga.defense.gouv.fr
Michel
BJ
pour info, je viens de trouver des vols depuis paris (Beauvais) AR cracovie a - de 100€ TTC (wizzair.com). Easyjet est egalement bien place. Essaye de les contacter directement pour des tarifs groupes. On ne sait jamais. Je vais a cracovie le 28, je me renseignerai si tu veux sur palce dans la mesure du possible. A+
pour info, je viens de trouver des vols depuis paris (Beauvais) AR cracovie a - de 100€ TTC (wizzair.com). Easyjet est egalement bien place. Essaye de les contacter directement pour des tarifs groupes. On ne sait jamais. Je vais a cracovie le 28, je me renseignerai si tu veux sur palce dans la mesure du possible. A+
lisez Caldwell, "le petit arpent du bon dieu".....
bonsoir .
je suis partie il y a 3 ans de ça avec ma classe à Auschwitch .
Nous avions dormi dans une auberge près de Cracovie (à la périphérie il me semble .) Je ne me souviens pas du nom . ça faisait un peu comme des bungalows géants avec plusieurs chambres à l'intérieur c'était vraiment parfait et sécuritaire . Et je ne pense pas que ce soit très cher, surtout en tarif de groupe .
Nous sommes allés là bas en bus . A l époque c'était certainement le moyen de transport le plus rentable pour un groupe, à comparer maintenant avec les compagnies aériennes low cost .
Il se semble qu'on avait payé aux alentours de 300 euros, mais nous sommes allés en Allemagne, en République Tchèque et en Pologne pendant 15 jours . On avait beaucoup d'activités au programme . Par contre en pologne nous logions chez des correspondants : ça peut etre une idée économiquement parlant mais aussi culturellement . Je garde une expérience formidable de ce voyage . (tellement que j'y suis retounée depuis )
Le lycée avait obtenu une subvention, j 'ai peur de dire une bétise en disant que ça s'apellait Comenius . Mais nous nous sommes partis là bas pour un projet cinéma, donc suivant le projet que vous avez, je ne sais pas si ça peut marcher .
En espérant avoir été utile ...
En tous cas quelle belle idée d'emmener ses élèves à Auschwitch : belle leçon d'histoire, de mémoire et de vie !
Elsa
elsa
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It was while traveling like this—what I call "hitting the road the slow way"—that I realized something simple: our neighbors' neighbors are very clearly our neighbors too. And that’s not insignificant.
Proof: https://etreounepasetrebretillien.com/2018/03/19/moldova-mea/ 🤓
After a break of a few years, I’m planning to hit the road again in September, this time heading to Kosovo, crossing through Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro.
Having gotten a bit older, I’ve no intention of rushing—no need to speed ahead of the music! 😄
I’d rather take my time.
I’m not looking to see everything, but to soak in the atmosphere of the places, always leaving room for the unexpected and for encounters.
I’m especially drawn to culturally immersive, authentic, and welcoming regions: lively villages, backroads, preserved landscapes, markets, local festivals, traditions that are still very much alive... and, why not, a few offbeat, forgotten, or slightly secret spots.
If any of you know Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, or Kosovo a little, I’d love to hear your suggestions for itineraries, stops, backroads, homestays, village festivals, or local contacts, for example.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Planning to return to Belarus in mid-August, I just realized that since last September, Poland has reopened several border crossing points, and for buses, this means connections like Białystok-Grodno.
The official Polish page: https://granica.gov.pl/index_wait.php?p=b&c=t&v=pl&k=w

Several bus company routes, like on infobus.eu, take between 3 and 4 hours. Trains from Warsaw to Białystok take about 1.5 to 2 hours. This has the advantage of allowing comfortable train journeys with minimal time spent on a bus. Also, the Terespol-Brest border might have shorter queues if you still prefer a Warsaw-Brest bus.
Note that another route to Minsk, if you have a paper Russian or Belarusian visa, is the Kaliningrad-Minsk train. It’s long—around ten or eleven hours—but you can lie down and sleep. An option if you fly into Gdańsk and then take a short bus to Kaliningrad.
There are also Belavia flights from Minsk to Kaliningrad, but they’re expensive. The route is scenic:

In any case, this adds a few more options compared to what’s been available over the last four years.
The official Polish page: https://granica.gov.pl/index_wait.php?p=b&c=t&v=pl&k=w

Several bus company routes, like on infobus.eu, take between 3 and 4 hours. Trains from Warsaw to Białystok take about 1.5 to 2 hours. This has the advantage of allowing comfortable train journeys with minimal time spent on a bus. Also, the Terespol-Brest border might have shorter queues if you still prefer a Warsaw-Brest bus.
Note that another route to Minsk, if you have a paper Russian or Belarusian visa, is the Kaliningrad-Minsk train. It’s long—around ten or eleven hours—but you can lie down and sleep. An option if you fly into Gdańsk and then take a short bus to Kaliningrad.
There are also Belavia flights from Minsk to Kaliningrad, but they’re expensive. The route is scenic:

In any case, this adds a few more options compared to what’s been available over the last four years.
Hi there.
I’d like to know what the daily budget is for Greece in December. I’ll be landing in Athens and staying there for a week, then heading to some other islands—I don’t have a set itinerary yet. Also, I’ve heard that in December, or early January, the temperature is around 11–16°C. Is that accurate?
Finally, does anyone have a good recommendation for a cheap but clean hotel near the tourist sites? I don’t need a TV or any other extras. Also, is Greece gay-friendly?
Thanks in advance for your replies. Best regards
Finally, does anyone have a good recommendation for a cheap but clean hotel near the tourist sites? I don’t need a TV or any other extras. Also, is Greece gay-friendly?
Thanks in advance for your replies. Best regards
hi
I’d like to know the opening hours of physical stores between Germany and Austria, and between Austria and Slovenia, that sell the PAPER STICKER toll vignettes that still exist for 2026—non-digital ones. I don’t think they’re open 24/7, and I can’t find the info anywhere. Thanks
I’d like to know the opening hours of physical stores between Germany and Austria, and between Austria and Slovenia, that sell the PAPER STICKER toll vignettes that still exist for 2026—non-digital ones. I don’t think they’re open 24/7, and I can’t find the info anywhere. Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week trip in late September with our camper van to explore Bulgaria and Romania.
What routes would you recommend, starting from the South?
Is there an option to take a ferry in Italy, and is it worth it?
Thanks for all your tips!😊
Hi there, we’re a young couple and we’d love to go to the Blue Eye (Syri i Kalter) between today (26/06/26) and tomorrow (27/06/26).
Is anyone heading there and could give us a ride? We’re super friendly!
Thanks so much!
Maya and Sullivan
Maya and Sullivan
We're back. It's still a bit tough to get precise info, so here's a quick trip report!
A good starting point is Shkoder, a really pleasant city. You can easily explore Shkoder itself in a day or two.
Two accessible spots: Valbona and Theth. In both cases, local travel agencies in Shkoder or online offer round-trip or one-way access packages. Super handy, especially for Valbona.
Valbona and Theth are both very steep! There aren’t many easy hikes for less sporty folks (like me!).
Valbona: The highlight is the amazing 2.5-hour boat ride across Lake Koman. There are day trips from Shkoder, but you’ll only get a short tour of the lake. The best option is to do the full crossing—so spend a night in Valbona (or two if you want to hike in the valley) and return.
Theth is deeply nestled in the mountains. The village at the end of the valley, which is a dead end, has lots of hotels, but they’re pricey. Other hostels are scattered along the mountainside road, but it’s a steep climb down to the village or to the start of the two easy hikes (waterfalls and the Blue Eye). For us, it was a one-hour descent (and ascent!). It’s fine if you have a car; otherwise, keep an eye out for a taxi (cheap) or try hitchhiking—it works really well. Access from Shkoder to Theth is through an agency. The road is in great condition, and you can also rent a car for 2-3 days in Shkoder. If we did it again, that’s the option we’d choose.
We didn’t do the trek and returned to Shkoder each time. I can’t speak to its difficulty, but we were there in late May, and even experienced hikers had given up because of heavy rain and snow.
Hope this helps! It’s a stunning region you shouldn’t miss.
A good starting point is Shkoder, a really pleasant city. You can easily explore Shkoder itself in a day or two.
Two accessible spots: Valbona and Theth. In both cases, local travel agencies in Shkoder or online offer round-trip or one-way access packages. Super handy, especially for Valbona.
Valbona and Theth are both very steep! There aren’t many easy hikes for less sporty folks (like me!).
Valbona: The highlight is the amazing 2.5-hour boat ride across Lake Koman. There are day trips from Shkoder, but you’ll only get a short tour of the lake. The best option is to do the full crossing—so spend a night in Valbona (or two if you want to hike in the valley) and return.
Theth is deeply nestled in the mountains. The village at the end of the valley, which is a dead end, has lots of hotels, but they’re pricey. Other hostels are scattered along the mountainside road, but it’s a steep climb down to the village or to the start of the two easy hikes (waterfalls and the Blue Eye). For us, it was a one-hour descent (and ascent!). It’s fine if you have a car; otherwise, keep an eye out for a taxi (cheap) or try hitchhiking—it works really well. Access from Shkoder to Theth is through an agency. The road is in great condition, and you can also rent a car for 2-3 days in Shkoder. If we did it again, that’s the option we’d choose.
We didn’t do the trek and returned to Shkoder each time. I can’t speak to its difficulty, but we were there in late May, and even experienced hikers had given up because of heavy rain and snow.
Hope this helps! It’s a stunning region you shouldn’t miss.
We’re a Canadian couple, both 77, and we’re already planning our vacation for fall 2027.
Timeframe: mid-September to mid-October... dates are flexible, and we might stay even longer.
Initially, I had planned this itinerary:
Athens (3), Naxos (4), Paros (4), Santorini (4), then a flight to Istanbul (7–10 days!!). This would let us maximize our flights and experience another culture.
That’s a lot of ferries, though... I’ve already cut out Milos.
Our second option would be to stay 2 x 15 days on two different islands, but I’d still keep Istanbul as our next destination... or maybe 30 days on one island that offers the chance to take day trips to other islands where the ferry ride is no more than 2 to 2.5 hours. For example, Naxos to Paros only takes 30 minutes. We could return the same evening or stay overnight.
Naxos seems like the best option!!!
For Istanbul, of course we want to do a day cruise on the Bosphorus and see Hagia Sophia. If we stay 6–7 days, what would be the other main attractions? Are there any points of interest we can reach by local bus?
Our second option would be to stay 2 x 15 days on two different islands, but I’d still keep Istanbul as our next destination... or maybe 30 days on one island that offers the chance to take day trips to other islands where the ferry ride is no more than 2 to 2.5 hours. For example, Naxos to Paros only takes 30 minutes. We could return the same evening or stay overnight.
Naxos seems like the best option!!!
For Istanbul, of course we want to do a day cruise on the Bosphorus and see Hagia Sophia. If we stay 6–7 days, what would be the other main attractions? Are there any points of interest we can reach by local bus?
Hi there!
We bought our tickets to Greece at the end of November 2025, and let’s just say the geopolitical climate has really taken a turn since then with the war started by the United States against Iran. Not to mention all the other conflicts happening around the world 😕... Anyway!
Our flight from Montreal is on May 1st, and I was wondering how things are currently being experienced in Greece.
We were planning to rent a car and had already booked accommodations on three Cyclades islands!!
The oil shortage is also worrying us...
If you could share some insights on this, that would be great!
Thanks!!
Thanks!!





