Ce n'est pas la PAF en France qui décide qui est admissible sur le territoire américan. D'ailleurs à partir du moment que tu quittes le territoire français, ils s'en fichent.
Ils visent juste le passeport tout de même à la sortie du territoire, mais sans prêter grand cas à la destination ni aux détails si on est bien passé à l'enregistrement.
Ok donc en gros, pour ceux qui cherchent ou chercheraient l'information pour leur voyage, voici la situation dans laquelle je me trouve :
M'ont affirmé catégoriquement qu'un passeport d'urgence valable un an à compter de sa date d'émission et étant à lecture optique (type Delphine) même délivré après le 26 Octobre 2005 était suffisant pour se rendre aux USA depuis la France sans visa :Les différents membres du consulat des USA de Nice, Lille et Marseille, 3 personnes à la mairie de Nice, La préfècture centrale de Nice, Le site de l'Ambassade des Etats Unis à Paris sur la page http://www.amb-usa.fr/consul/nivfr/procedure/defaut.htm stipulant " Les passeports d ' urgence français à lecture optique sont valides pour l' admission sur le territoire américain dans le cadre du Programme d ' Exemption de Visa. Sont inclus les passeports d ' urgence délivrés en France métropolitaine ou en dehors de l ' hexagone, soit par le Ministère de l ' Intérieur, soit par le Ministère des Affaires Etrangères."Agatka de ce forum.
M'ont affirmé totalement l'inverse :Les Polices des Airs et Frontières (PAF) de Nice, Marseille, Paris CDG et Paris Orly, Des intervenants sur ce forum dans le même cas et ayant été refoulés avant embarquement.Bon, c'est sur que posé comme ça, vous devez vous demander pourquoi j'hésite. Ca donne beaucoup plus envie de se baser sur ceux qui disent que mon passeport sans visa est ok pour partir aux USA... à condition que ce ne soit pas la PAF qui contrôle la régularité des papiers avant de partir. J'ajoute que ni les personnes en mairie, ni la préfecture, ni le consulat n'a su me répondre... sans pianoter sur Google... (incroyable...).
Mais dans ce cas, QUI contrôle les papiers et décide qui part ou qui ne part pas ? Les Cie aériennes ? Les douanes ? Une autorité américaine ? Comment les joindre ?
Dans mon esprit ça marche comme ça : la compagnie défini au départ qui entre et qui reste avec des critères stricts pour ne pas avoir d'amende. Une fois aux USA, on passe le vrai contrôle. Am I right ?
C'est l'agent qui opère pour la compagnie lors de l'enregistrement qui va accepter ou non d'enregistrer ; comme il met en jeu une éventuelle amende en cas de refoulement et le coût d'un billet retour, il ne plaisante pas et si il accepte de vous enregistrer c'est que ça va passer à l'arrivée.
La PAF va juste jeter un oeil débonnaire sur le passeport lors de la sortie du pays ; je ne pense pas qu'ils creusent la chose.
J'ai appelé mais n'ai réussi à avoir personne (20 h passé).
Par contre nouveau roulement de tambour :
Sur le site d'American Airlines :
Tous les voyageurs entrant aux Etats-Unis dans le cadre du Programme dExemption de Visa, quel que soit leur âge ou le type de passeport utilisé, doivent obligatoirement présenter un passeport à lecture optique. De plus, selon la date démission du passeport, dautres conditions peuvent sappliquer :Pour les passeports à lecture optique émis ou renouvelés / prolongés depuis le 26 Octobre 2006 : le passeport doit comporter une puce informatique contenant les données personnelles du détenteur et sa photo numérique (passeport électronique).Les passeports de type temporaire, durgence, officiel ou diplomatique sont exemptés de photo numérique et de puce informatique mais doivent obligatoirement être à lecture optique.Donc demain je téléphone aux compagnies effectuant des vols vers les USA.
"Les passeports de type temporaire, durgence, officiel ou diplomatique sont exemptés de photo numérique et de puce informatique mais doivent obligatoirement être à lecture optique."
Votre passeport est à lecture optique, non ?
Alors c'est bon.....
C'est à s'arracher les cheveux cette histoire !!!!!!!!
"Les passeports de type temporaire, durgence, officiel ou diplomatique sont exemptés de photo numérique et de puce informatique mais doivent obligatoirement être à lecture optique."
Votre passeport est à lecture optique, non ?
Alors c'est bon.....
Dans les liens que vous citez il n'est rien dit des passeports d'urgence français : "Temporary/Emergency" s'applique uniquement aux passeports allemands; ces passeports allemands d'urgence ne sont pas admis comme le disait plus haut dans la discussion notre partenaire de débat.
Sur le dernier lien :
Italian, French and Temporary German Passports Italy: If your regular Italian passport was issued or renewed on or after 10/26/05, and includes a digital photo, it is valid for VWP travel; otherwise, a U.S. visa is required. France: If you are traveling to the United States for business or tourism with a French passport issued on or after October 26, 2005 that does not have an electronic chip, you will need to apply for a U.S. visa. Your French passport will have this gold symbol on the front cover if it is the e-Passport (electronic) version required for VWP travel.
Germany: Temporary/Emergency passports: The Department of Homeland Security has determined that German temporary/emergency passports are not valid for Visa Waiver Program travel. Therefore, German temporary or emergency passports holders must get a regular German passport for VWP travel, or apply for a visa.
EDIT : ohhh milles excuses michel, j'ai lu trop vite ! En effet seuls les passeports allemands
Passenger: holds machine-readable passport (MRP) (issued for each
accompanying family member, including infants); and holds a passport, if issued (or has been extended):
a. on or after October 26, 2005 but prior to October 26,
2006, containing digital photograph or integrated chip
with information from the data page (exempt are Temporary
or Emergency Passports); or
b. on or after October 26, 2006, containing integrated chip
with information from the data page (exempt are Temporary
or Emergency Passports )."
Il apparaît donc bien que les passeports d'urgence français font exception à l'obligation générale.
En tout cas je tiens vraiment à te remercier Michel, pour ton soutien, ton aide et surtout ta patience.
Mea culpa à Agatrka et merci à lui/elle également.
Je vous dirai si je suis resté bloqué en france, aux USA ou dans un casino de las vegas :)
Tu veux dire, le vrai passeport électronique ?
Je viens de découvrir ce débat, et je voulais juste ajouter qu'il me semble avoir le le message de quelqu'un sur ce forum qui s'était fait refoulé UNE FOIS RENDU aux Etats-Unis, avec un passeport d'urgence français (après une garde à vue de 24h je crois 🤪). Tout ca pour dire qu'on est jamais à l'abri d'un caprice localement... même si ca reste rare.
Nous avions du annuler notre voyage à la dernière minute pour cause de problèmes personnels.
Je ne peux donc te renseigner.
Par contre cette fois ci je pars à NYC dans 3 semaines et j'ai les bons passeports !
Je m'étais quand même informé et il semblerait que les risques de refoulage soient élevés (soit au décollage, soit à l'arrivée, soit le plus souvent à l'escale).
Essaies d'avoir un passeport électro ou ... ne pars pas si tu veux être sur car aucune assurance annulation ne prendra en charge.
Je viens de consulter ton message sur le voyage aux etats unis et le passeport urgent et je voudrais savoir si c'était vraiment ok pour toi lors de ton vyage car je pars ds 1 semaine avec mon ami et son passeport electronique n'est tjrs pas arrivé et on voudrait se rabattre sur un passeport uregnt delivré directement en prefecture mais est il ok pour les etats unis.
Merci d'avance de ton aide, c'est le stress pour nous.
Hé bien tu ne vas jamais me croire mais je suis bien parti à NYC (donc le 1er voyage annulé mais le second indiqué dans mon post plus haut je l'ai fait) et j'avais les bons passeports mais ... tu ne me croiras jamais mais l'histoire du passeport d'urgence s'est renouvelée car ... J'AI PERDU MON PASSEPORT 5 JOURS AVANT LE DEPART !!!!!!!!!! (je l'ai fait tomber dans la rue en allant chercher une caisse de pinar livrée par la poste ...)
J'ai du faire une déclaration de perte à la police.
J'ai obtenu de mon directeur un papier certifiant que je devais me rendre aux USA.
Je suis allé en préfecture et ai obtenu mon passeport d'urgence en 30 min montre en main.
J'ai sué comme un dingue jusqu'au dernier moment (voyage non annulable et déjà réservé).
Résultat des courses :Au départ de Nice, inspection du passeport : impeccable.A l'embarquement, impeccable.Arrivée à mon escale à Londres et là, l'agent de sécurité a voulu passer mon passeport dans la machine et il n'est pas passé :( ... car le lecteur est tombé en panne juste à ce moment là!! Ma pression arterielle a atteind un record mondial. Finalement utilisation d'un autre lecteur et impeccable.Arrivé à NYC, passage devant les officiels. Ouverture de mon passeport et "Welcome to the USA, have a nice trip".En un mot : AUCUN PROBLEME POUR UN PASSEPORT D'URGENCE
Une fois là bas j'ai posé les questions et on m'a certifié que le passeport d'urgence servait justement à ça...
Voyage fantastique.
Enjoy
PS : moralité, sur des sujets critiques comme ça, ne pas se fier aux forums
Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Laos from France with a transit through Thailand involving 2 entries. I might spend up to 7 days max in Thailand (round trip).
The flight I’ve spotted: arrival at BKK and return to France 31 days later.
With the new regulations/visa:
"Starting September 15, 2026, French nationals holding an ordinary passport will be able to stay in Thailand visa-free for up to 30 days for tourism purposes only, down from the previous 60 days."
How do you think the counting is done?
- Number of days spent in Thai territory?
- Entry and exit dates: number of days between the two?
I’m leaning toward the first option, but to avoid any administrative hassles with Thailand (fines, etc.) and before booking my ticket, your input would really help.
Hi there,
I’m explaining our situation—my daughter and her young family have just moved to Polynesia, specifically to the island of Raiatea. That’s great, of course, and my wife and I are planning to visit them. However, flights that go through the United States are causing us a problem because we’ve been to Cuba. I think we’ll need a visa because of that.
Has anyone else dealt with this situation before? Any advice on flights and visas would be really helpful.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m heading to Laos next spring, but I have a question about the Thai arrival/departure form. I’ll be flying PAR-BKK, then taking the train to Laos (so exiting Thailand), and later re-entering Thailand by train to catch my return flight. Do I need to fill out two forms in this case?
Hi there,
we’re planning our trip to the North Cape this summer. We bought a new vehicle for it. Unfortunately, the registration document is still being processed, and the delay seems long—I don’t think I’ll have it in time for our departure...
I have the transfer documents, insurance in my name, and all the supporting paperwork, but not the registration document. So my question is: does the ferry company require the registration document *mandatorily* when boarding in Denmark or not?
Thanks for any insights...
Hi everyone,
I bought a new apartment in Pattaya that will be finished at the end of 2013, and I’d like to buy more later...
I think it’s a good investment idea, but I’d love to hear from those of you with experience—what do you think? I’d also like to know how to handle rentals... Should I go through agencies, or are they usually rented out directly by the building management companies?
Thanks in advance for your replies! 🙂
Hi everyone,
I have to leave for Perth, Australia in a week, for 7 days, and I couldn’t get my international driver’s permit due to processing and delivery delays.
The information I’ve found about whether an international permit is required is contradictory. Some sources say you need one, others say you don’t.
Could anyone let me know if an international driver’s permit is necessary to rent a car in Australia (Perth), or if a French license is enough for a 7-day rental?
hi everyone,
I need to apply for a new eTA for Canada.
do I need the number from my old eTA or not?
because I can’t find my old eTA number anymore.
thanks for your replies, have a great weekend
Hi there,
I know there are similar topics here and elsewhere, but they’re a few years old, and I need an up-to-date answer to make sure I don’t throw over 1000 € out the window. Thanks for your patience.
I’m planning a trip from France to Alberta/British Columbia, and I’m unsure about which bank card to use for the security deposit with the rental company (I’m thinking of going with AVIS).
I contacted Avis Canada, and they told me a credit card is absolutely required. I asked my bank for a credit card (a *real* credit card), but they only offered me a deferred debit card.
My question: For a rental with Avis Canada, is a Gold International Mastercard deferred debit card usable for the security deposit needed to finalize the rental? Is the "CREDIT" label enough? (Some cards say "CREDIT" and others say "CARTE DE CREDIT"—seems minor, but it’s actually a big deal in how the card works.)
I’ve seen conflicting info everywhere I look... My bank says it’s *usually* okay (the deferred debit card), while Avis Canada insists it *must* be a credit card, not debit—even when I mention the deferred debit card.
I know the whole credit card concept is already confusing, and on top of that, some sites say a deferred debit card counts as a credit card, while others say it doesn’t.
Thanks to anyone who can share a recent experience!
Have a great day
Hello everyone,
Could a resident of Benin (Cotonou) kindly let me know which is the best mobile phone and internet service provider?
Thank you very much,
Best regards,
Juan
Hi,
I’m bringing Seresta, an anxiolytic (tranquilizer) from the benzodiazepine family,
to help me sleep.
I’ll have the prescription with me.
Will this be a problem at customs, and do I need to declare it?
Same question for antibiotics?
Thanks a bunch!
Hi everyone,
I’ll explain my situation.
Unfortunately, I lost my passport, and I only realized it two weeks before my departure for a humanitarian mission in Libya. I’m a nurse, and this mission really means a lot to me.
First, I applied for an emergency passport, but it was denied by the Val-d'Oise prefecture on the grounds that a planned humanitarian mission wasn’t considered an urgent reason.
So, I submitted a biometric passport application on July 20th. Since then, the tracking has been stuck, and the town hall can’t (or won’t) give me any clear information. Every time I call, I get a different story. The last update I received was that the passport had been produced since July 23rd with a status of "about to be shipped," but nothing since then.
I’ve managed to push my departure back to next Tuesday at the latest, but I’m starting to really panic.
Have any of you submitted an application around July 20th, especially in Val-d'Oise (95)? How long did you wait between the passport being produced and it being available at the town hall? Is it normal for this step to take this long?
This mission means so much to me. I had everything organized, and I’m also supposed to attend a friend’s wedding right after near the border.
Thanks so much to those who take the time to respond or share their experience. 😔
Can anyone tell me exactly if a passport "valid for the duration of the stay" is enough, or does it need to be valid for 6 months after the trip?
I checked the embassy’s website, but that info is missing.
Hi there,
I’ll be arriving in Seoul on November 18th after spending about a month in India.
Do you know if I’ll need to fill out any additional documents besides the e-arrival card?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m a bit embarrassed because I need to travel to Quebec from February 27th to March 13th. I’m a regular visitor to Canada—this will be my 10th trip since 1997, plus a year as a permanent resident (2000–2001) and a cross-country run from Vancouver to Halifax in 2011. So, I’m definitely not a terrorist!
But since our last trip in July 2015, they’ve introduced this eTA thing. Seems more like a way to make money than to actually secure Canada, if you ask me, but anyway, that’s not the point.
I applied for an eTA for myself, my wife, and our two kids. They all got approved within hours, but not me! I was asked to create a GC key and then an IRCC account, which I did. Normally, you get news within 72 hours, but since Monday, January 15th, nothing!
In the "message" section of the account, it says "explanation letter (required)" with a deadline of January 25th, but I can’t find any explanation anywhere—despite searching the Canadian government website and Google. No links, nothing!
I’ve emailed them but haven’t heard back yet. I’m thinking of calling the Canadian embassy in Paris tomorrow. Even though I’m not stressing yet, it’d be a bummer if everyone else got to go without me!
If anyone’s had this issue before or knows what this explanation letter is about, I’d love to hear more.
hi there
I’m heading to Seoul in September, and to do that I need to get a travel authorization that we apply for through K-ETA....... turns out I can (barely, I admit) fill out the form up to the address of our "stay location," but every address I’ve entered has been rejected by the system. I’ve tried my hotel, the Lotte Hotel (which is well-known in Seoul), the airport—basically, I’ve entered at least 20 addresses, all rejected....
So, to anyone who’s successfully gotten the authorization, could you tell me which address you used to get that "elusive" approval?...
Hi there,
I’m heading to Senegal in January for a month and was wondering if I just need my French driver’s license or if I should get an international permit?
Thanks!
JL
Hi there,
I have a 9-seater passenger vehicle that I use for my business in Paris, transporting people.
I’m planning to go to Algeria with my family.
The vehicle registration lists my company as the owner.
Can I get a TPD (Temporary Admission Document)?
Will I need a KBis extract or a power of attorney?!?
Thanks for your help.
Worst case, I can add my personal name as a co-owner on the registration, but that would be a real shame!
Hi,
I’m writing to ask for some info—I’ve heard that you **must** have travel insurance to land in Zanzibar.
What’s the process, and which insurance should I get?
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Best,
Seb
Hi, are there any travelers who’ve recently crossed the border between Karakalpakstan (Uzbekistan) and Beineu in Kazakhstan?
It was closed for a while.
Thanks for any info!
I bought a one-way flight (Ryanair) and a return flight (EasyJet) to spend a week in Morocco in April.
My passport expires 3 weeks after the return date.
Some websites say the passport must be valid for 3 months at the time of entry.
However, it will still be valid both on entry and return, but its validity will only be 1 month at the time of entry (and 3 weeks on the return date, everything prepaid).
It's an individual family trip.
The consulate can't give me an answer—they're still looking into it (really!)
Last year, we stayed for 3 months in Thailand, north of Khao Lak, and were able to benefit from the 2-month visa exemption, renewable for one month by going to Takua Pa to validate a 1-month extension (1,900 baht).
This year, it’s a disaster for us—not only were we planning a 4-month stay, adding a visa run in between (which some say is quite risky), but the law is apparently changing in the coming months with the return of the 1-month exemption (plus the usual 1-month option). So, we looked into applying for a 6-month multiple-entry visa, allowing a maximum of 60 consecutive days in Thailand. However, I can’t find anywhere the minimum time required outside Thailand between two stays—do any of you have an idea?
Thanks for the info! If you’d like tips on Khao Lak and the surrounding areas, we’ve got some experience, though things change fast!
Cheers,
Bruno.
My partner, our 8-year-old daughter, and I are going on vacation to Gex.
We’ve decided to spend one day in Switzerland and another in Italy. Will we need ID (national ID card or passport)? Do we also need ID for our daughter?
Hello,
We’ll soon be moving to Madagascar long-term.
As a French national, I need to obtain a short-stay visa that can be converted to a long-stay one. To do this, I have to send the required documents to the Madagascar embassy in Paris.
No issues with that procedure so far.
If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
M. Buisson Eric
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident.
I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia.
For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France?
Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted.
Is this real or just a hoax?
Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received.
Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding?
Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival?
Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient?
Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
