comme nous projetons de vivre en asie du sud est, j'aimerais savoir comment les asiatiques percoivent les africains?????
le contact entre asiatiques et africains est-il globalement bon?????
comme nous projetons de vivre en asie du sud est, j'aimerais savoir comment les asiatiques percoivent les africains?????
le contact entre asiatiques et africains est-il globalement bon?????
merçi pour vos réponses.
Ludo
se sujet a été déjà aborder, , hélas, , le sud est asiatique dans ce domaine a beaucoup de retard et beaucoup a apprendre, ,
en asie on continue encore a porter une valeur selon la couleur de la peau, ,
simple je suis blanc, , donc beau, , ma femme est couleur miel, , bien elle n'est pas belle, ,
pourtant dans la réalitée c'est bien le contraire, , 🤪
que dire ???? bonne chance
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Je suis d'accord avec Thuan.
J'ai une copine Togolaise (a Hong Kong) et bien elle a l'impression d'être regardée comme une bète curieuse.
Ca l'enerve un peu...
Je suis d'accord avec Thuan.
J'ai une copine Togolaise (a Hong Kong) et bien elle a l'impression d'être regardée comme une bète curieuse.
Ca l'enerve un peu...
hélas si ce n'est que cela, , un jour je rencontre des africains francophones a bkk
ils me disent que ils font du bissenes ( export ), et que ils vivent a kaosan, ,
la raison est que il est impossible pour eux de louer un appartement convenable, , même si ils manient énormément d'argent, ,
Sur quoi, , le blanc de thuan a trouver un chouette apart, , et j'ai dit simplement a la proprietaire ( une bonne chinoise avec plus de maquillage que le clonw du cirque ) que du a la grandeur de l'apart je le partageas avec des potes francophones, ,
elle a dit oui immediatement, , a la vue des africains, , elle a encore essayer de les ennuyer, , mais thuan a un papier magique, , qui a fait que elle n'avait que la boucler,
oui les africains broient du noir chez les jaunes, ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Moi mon fils est metis foncé, de pére camerounais, et à en Indonésie, il avait 10 ans à l'époque, a été reçu comme un roi.Mais c'est l'indonésie, ailleurs je sais pas
a Bangkok on appel une persnne noire, " nico" en fait ca vient du mot negro.
Ce mot est employe communement dans le pays !
Sans parler qu'il y a encore quelques annees, on pouvait voir des gens se faire "gentillement" refuser l'entree de lieux parce qu'ils n'etaient vraisemblablement pas dans la "norme".
A ce propos, nous pouvons constater aujourd'hui l'utilite d'Internet concernant des sujets comme celui-ci comme bien d'autres. Car a part des informations catastrophes (economie, attentat, typhon, tsunami, etc...), les medias locaux et etrangers, en general, relaient peu de chose de particulier sur ces regions du globe...
Bizarre, je suis métisse et bien bronzé à la fin de nos vacances en thailande, et je n'ai pas ressenti ce regard, au contraire une vendeuse du platinum center à bangkok ma trouvé "handsome" 😊 (je précise qu'elle m'a dit ça devant ma copine et après qu'on est payé un ensemble de fringue pour ma miss ...)
Bizarre, je suis métisse et bien bronzé à la fin de nos vacances en thailande, et je n'ai pas ressenti ce regard, au contraire une vendeuse du platinum center à bangkok ma trouvé "handsome" (je précise qu'elle m'a dit ça devant ma copine et après qu'on est payé un ensemble de fringue pour ma miss ...)
C'est aussi valable pour le roi des iles Tonga quand il sejourne en Thailande... 🙂
Bizarre, je suis métisse et bien bronzé à la fin de nos vacances en thailande, et je n'ai pas ressenti ce regard, au contraire une vendeuse du platinum center à bangkok ma trouvé "handsome" (je précise qu'elle m'a dit ça devant ma copine et après qu'on est payé un ensemble de fringue pour ma miss ...)
C'est aussi valable pour le roi des iles Tonga quand il sejourne en Thailande... 🙂
Elle n'avait aucune raison de politesse pour me sortir ça, alors qu'on était en train de prendre le sac de fringue pour sortir du magasin...
tu sais tout le monde n'est pas pareil, une généralisatin n'inclue pas tout le monde.
Et bien souvent quand tu achetes il sont trés mielleux, mais quand tu comprend un peu
le thai c'est trés drole de voir ce qu'on nous dit une fois l'achat effectué
L'autre jour a pantip plaza, deux noirs arrivent, tout de suite une vendeuse appel une autre
vendeuse en les qualifiant de "nico", apres l'autre vendeuse qui part chercher un truc, complétement hilare parle de
ces 2 black aux autres pas de facon trés propre on va dire ...
"Je vais lui faire une offre qu'il ne refusera pas"
😉 NO EASY mais ce n'est pas l'afrique du sud de l'appartheid = il vaut mieux etre black avec du pognon que blanc sans !Le drame c'est d'etre black sans pognon, comme chez nous en sommes !Cette difference les asiatiques la font entre eux black= paysan, white= bourgeoisie; Le blanc est synonime d'argent...
J'espère que tous ces témoignages ne vous feront pas reculer dans vos projets d'aller vivre en asie du sud est; personne, j'ose espérer, ne vous jettera des cailloux parce que vous etes noir, vous subirez surement les regards et les colibets derriere votre dos, puis avec le temps ( le + court possible j'espère ) vous sympathiserez avec votre voisinage, qui dirons à leurs connaissances que vous etes des gens biens... Et au fil du temps et d'arrivées de personnes noires dans le sud est, les choses se banaliserons et ont assistera à des mariages mixtes qui donneront naissance à de superbes enfants à la peau noire et au yeux tirés, et tout le monde s'embrassera et tout le monde dansera et.... STOP! J'arrete là mon délire utopique, mais le fond de ma pensée est que c'est grace à des gens courageux qui forcent les choses et se font fies du " qu'en dira t'on ", que l'évolution des mentalité sera en marche. A+
Non je ne suis pas moche 😛
En tout cas c'était juste pour dire, que j'étais surement à son gout ... donc partant de ce constat je me dis que tous les thais ne sont pas contre les métisses/noirs ...
En tout cas je ne vous cache pas que ça fait bizarre, qu'une vendeuse me sorte ça, et devant ma femme en plus, ma femme a été encore plus surprise, et a vite répondu: "it's my man" lol mdr !!!
😄
Je ne veux pas remettre en doute la qualité de ton physique 😉 mais, pour info, en Thailande c' est vraiment très courant d' entendre "you are handsome man". Je crois qu' on doit être nombreux ici à pouvoir en témoigner 😄.
C' est sûr que chez nous on n' en a pas l' habitude (ça s' apparenterait à de la drague) alors que là-bas c' est dit pour faire un compliment, un peu comme nous quand on dit "vous êtes sympa".
pr te remonté le moral, j'ai une anecdote, cette année, un amie congolaise de la soeur d'un pote nous as rejoint, elle devais partir en solo avec celle ci mais la soeur de mon ami a du annuler pr cause de travail..
du coup elle s'est retrouvé seule a venir
etant sur place a phuket, et que la thailande etais une premiere pour elle, nous l'avons bien sur acceuillie parmis nous (5 garcons)!elle restait 10 jours, nous etions la depuis une semaine et il nous en restais 3!
et justement quand on sortais, les thai ne fesais des signe du pouces avec un grand sourire pour nous dire qu'elle etais tres charmante, et cela arrivais tres souvent, il lui est meme arrivé de se faire draguer par des filles thaies! jamais d'insultes ou de remarques desobligeante..c'etais la chouchou de notre groupe et elle a passer de tres bonnes vacances.
d'ailleur son cousin etait la aussi avec sa femme, et lui aussi n'as jamais eu de probleme sauf une fois avec un loueur de jet ski qui lui cherchais des histoires pour lui gratter quelques bath de plus pour sa location, 2 jeunes thailandais qui travaillais sur la plage sont intervenus pour calmer les esprits car son cousin n'est pa du genre a se laisser faire, nous avons invitez ces 2 jeunes thai avec nous pour passez la soiree a patong, et nous nous sommes bien amusés.
je n'ai jamais vu quoi que ce soit de raciste de la part des thailandais qui sont ouvert, d'ailleur j'ai meme rencontrer un sud africain noir a koh samui (style bob marley), installé depuis plusieurs années en thailande, qui parle meme le thai, il etais tres bien, j'ai longuement discuté avec lui car on frequentais la meme salle de billard et effectivement comme beaucoup le dise, en thailande, socialement plus on est blanc mieux on est vu, mais je pense que ce truc la il se l'applique entre eux, ils savent tres bien que la thailande n'est pas le centre du monde et sont tres ouvert aux autre culture, ils aiment et sont tres fiers de la leurs, la preuve quand on discute avec les thai, ils nous parlent bcp de leur culures, leurs modes de vie, leurs tradition, leurs musiques, mais connaissent-ils la notre??je ne pense pas trop, pour eux, il y a les europeens, les americains, les africains etc et chacun est vu par rapport a sa puissance economique a premiere vue certe.
donc, je pense lorsqu'on rencontre des thais, il faut certes les ecoutés, mais leur fais partager notre culture pour qu'il puissent au moin mieux nous connaitre, nous aprecier et nous comprendre.
a part les "chocolate men" que j'ai pu entendre ici et la pour decrire un black, encore que ce n'est pas du tous mechant quand ils disent ca, je n'ai rien vu ni entendu de reflexion racistes.
donc partez sereinement, ce qui es dit plus haut est certainement vrai mais dans une certaine mesure tous de meme😉
Je ne veux pas remettre en doute la qualité de ton physique 😉 mais, pour info, en Thailande c' est vraiment très courant d' entendre "you are handsome man". Je crois qu' on doit être nombreux ici à pouvoir en témoigner 😄.
C' est sûr que chez nous on n' en a pas l' habitude (ça s' apparenterait à de la drague) alors que là-bas c' est dit pour faire un compliment, un peu comme nous quand on dit "vous êtes sympa".
Oui venant d'un vendeur en parlant de moi à ma femme, mais jamais directement à moi, et encore moins une femme, enfin bref, ce n'était pas pour faire le beau que j'ai raconté cette hitsoire, peut-être que je me trompe... ;)
Tu sais Ludo, c'est comme partout : ca depend des gens...
Dans l'ensemble les asiatiques sont un peu racistes meme envers leurs propres ethnies, mais la ils n'ont pas tellement de lecons a recevoir des Africains qui sont assez pareils entre eux.
Que cela ne vous empeche pas de venir tout de meme !
Ils sont suffisament polis pour ne pas faire de remarques desobligeantes et chez les jeunes, ca se passe tres bien.
Bonne chance
Tu sais Ludo, c'est comme partout : ca depend des gens...
Dans l'ensemble les asiatiques sont un peu racistes meme envers leurs propres ethnies, mais la ils n'ont pas tellement de lecons a recevoir des Africains qui sont assez pareils entre eux.
Que cela ne vous empeche pas de venir tout de meme !
Ils sont suffisament polis pour ne pas faire de remarques desobligeantes et chez les jeunes, ca se passe tres bien.
Bonne chance
Marie-Helene
Très bonne remarque, les thais, ou tout du moins les filles font tout pour avoir la peau blanche, on a fait une journée de snorkeling, et tous les thais se baignaient habillé: short long, t-shirt et 3 tonnes de crème solaire 🤪
Et il est vrai que chaque communauté a son lot de raciste...
La premiere fois que j'ai emmener ma femme Thai en vacances (20j en Indonesie), sans creme solaire elle est revenue un peu plus bronzee que d'habitude. A BKK, sa soeur la prise a part et lui a passer un mechant savon en lui disant que c'etait la honte car avec la peau matte elle ressemblait a une paysanne 🙁
Depuis, meme quand on va a carrefour elle met de la creme solaire 🤪
La premiere fois que j'ai emmener ma femme Thai en vacances (20j en Indonesie), sans creme solaire elle est revenue un peu plus bronzee que d'habitude. A BKK, sa soeur la prise a part et lui a passer un mechant savon en lui disant que c'etait la honte car avec la peau matte elle ressemblait a une paysanne 🙁
Depuis, meme quand on va a carrefour elle met de la creme solaire 🤪
Je trouve ça lamentable cet idéalisme pour les blancs 🤪 on a croisée une thai daux alentours d'un temple, et cette thai disait à ma femme qu'elle avait une super belle peau blanche, qu'elle aimerai bien être pareil... sont fous !!!
mais ça c'est valables pour toutes les femmes 😊 : on est jms satisfaite de ce qu'on est ! les femmes mate de peau veulent être blanche, les blanche (comme moi) veulent être mate, celle qui ont les cheveux raides les veulent frisés ... et les femmes Thaïes n'echappent pas à la régle ... 😉
Ne demande jamais ton chemin à celui qui sait. Tu pourrais ne pas te perdre !
En Thailande et dans beaucoup d'autres coins, c'est juste un probleme de niveau social qu'on soit un homme ou une femme: si tu es blanc(he) c'est que tu bosses a l'ombre, dans un bureau avec la clim et donc que tu as fait des etudes. Si tu es tes bronze(e) c'est que tu es un(e) paysan(ne) qui n'a jamais fait d'etude et bosse au soleil dans les champs.
Dans d'autres coins on peut plus parler de racisme, comme en Chine ou a HK, mais de toute facon les Chinois n'aiment qu'eux, qu'on soit black ou gweilo (blancs occidentaux) on n'est pas comme eux donc ils n'aiment pas 😛
En tout cas je ne vous cache pas que ça fait bizarre, qu'une vendeuse me sorte ça, et devant ma femme en plus, ma femme a été encore plus surprise, et a vite répondu: "it's my man" lol mdr !!!
il ne faut pas le prendre au premier degré, , c'est tout, ,
j'ai bien eut 4 demande en mariage par des kratois, , ( dommage que ses mariages ne sont pas légal )
en thailande on se flatte facilement, , ça ne coûte rien, ,
exemple ma femme dit souvent a une autre femme en France vous été très belle, , et bien sa choque, , mais cela n'en fait pas une amoureuse, ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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J'ai une amie Sri Lankaise, et là bas aussi, il ne faut surtout pas bronzer. Les femmes se mettent des tonnes d'écran total.
Ce qui est drôle, c'est quand elles se mettent du fond de teint 2 teintes plus claires que leur peau. Pas très joli 😛
"La terre n'est pas un don de nos parents, ce sont nos enfants qui nous la prêtent."
En bref, les hommes ne se cassent la tête, ils ne sont pas compliqués..à part "quelques"hommes" qui pleurnichent sur le site, mais c'est un autre sujet à développer prochainement.😉
En tout cas je ne vous cache pas que ça fait bizarre, qu'une vendeuse me sorte ça, et devant ma femme en plus, ma femme a été encore plus surprise, et a vite répondu: "it's my man" lol mdr !!!
il ne faut pas le prendre au premier degré, , c'est tout, ,
j'ai bien eut 4 demande en mariage par des kratois, , ( dommage que ses mariages ne sont pas légal )
en thailande on se flatte facilement, , ça ne coûte rien, ,
exemple ma femme dit souvent a une autre femme en France vous été très belle, , et bien sa choque, , mais cela n'en fait pas une amoureuse, ,
Ca n'en fait pas une amoureuse, mais je suis sur qu'elle pense ce qu'elle dit...
C'est surtout ça qu'on a pas l'habitude d'entendre en france ;)
Bonjour
Au Cambodge, à la campagne, les paysants traitent les compatriotes de peaux claires de " A tow Hear ou bien A Chin choy Mray ".Cela veut dire que ceux qui ont des peaux claires sont des chinois.Les termes que j'ai cités plus haut sont insultants, si tu comprends le khmer.Par contre, en ville, surtout à Phnom Penh, les sino-khmers traitent ceux qui ont la peau noire de " Ow Teu " en chinois de Techew, cela veut dire le porc noir, et très insultant🙁
hello,
et c'est pire au cambodge a PP, car il y a de plus en plus de BIG BLACK, qui font de l'import export, cad, droque et armes, alors ils ne sont pas du tout aimes.
je l'ai vu ds ma guesta il y a 15 jours.
bon courage
amicalment
tintina
enfin moi qui est marié avec une thailandaise ..malgré je que je soit un créole pour l'instant ..les thaie m'ont jamais emmerdé pour l'instant en isaan ou bkk ..j'ai envoyé mon fils moité créole et thai dans la famille ma femme a udon thai il n'a pas eu problème du moin pour l'instant ...bien sure en thailande le noir n'est pas bien vu mais faut pas faire tout un plat il faut resté cool et zen ..je crois pas qu'un thai va venir t'attaqué gratuitement parce que t'es noir 🙂..sinon il y a longtemps j'étais rentré a la reunion les pieds devant 😏
la vie c'est un voyage dési la terre nou lé ké passager ouh ouh créole en profite ton liberté
Mais Ludo, regarde, quasiment tous les messages te répondent sur le racisme en Thailande.Je crois que tu vas vivre dans un autre pays?
On dirait que certains imaginent que l'Asie du sud est se limite à la Thailande.A moins qu ils ne soient si passionné de Thailande qu'il n'estplus d'yeux que pour elle.
Un truc:contacte l'alliance française ou bien l'ambassade française du pays. Ils te donneront aussi une bonne tendance.
Et, si ils étaient racistes, il vous suffira de fréquenter la frange de la population la plus instruite, celle qui a voyagé et voir les autres expats afin que ta femme puisse avoir des relations sociales sympa;essentiel pour se plaire n'importe ou dans le monde.
Si tu lis bien le post tu regarderas que l'on parle aussi du Cambodge, quant à la proportions des reponses, elle n'est que le reflet de la proportion de post par pays! ceci dit le racisme n'est pas une specialite de l'asie du s/e, il existe aussi chez nous...et il y a des gens bien partout...meme en Corse 😉
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Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices?
Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis?
What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc.
Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it?
Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like?
We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
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I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
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Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
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Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
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I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight)
· Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok)
· Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok)
· Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x")
· Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok)
· Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok)
· Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok)
· Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
(je précise qu'elle m'a dit ça devant ma copine et après qu'on est payé un ensemble de fringue pour ma miss ...)
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