Nous rentrons d'un voyage d'environ 4 semaines en Afrique du sud et Botswana.
Je ne me lancerai pas dans la rédaction d'un carnet de voyage complet (d'autres l'ont fait, le font et le feront, bien mieux que moi ! 😛), mais je voudrais poser une description rapide (et même comme ça, c'est hyper long !!), un peu factuelle et aride, certes, de ce que l'on a fait, afin que ceux qui préparent un tel voyage puissent éventuellement glaner des infos utiles...
J'essaie de donner des détails pratiques utiles, mais j'en oublierai évidemment, n'hésitez pas à me demander des précisions si besoin...
Nous sommes un famille de 4, les loustics ont 6 et 9 ans.
Nous avions trouvé des billets abordables (~600€/pers), au prix d'escales un peu longues, mais le budget l'imposait !
- a l'aller, escale de 10h à Djeddah - nous l'éviterons à tout prix la prochaine fois !
- au retour, escale de 4h à Dubaï, parfaitement supportable.
Le voyage s'est divisé en deux 'chapitres' :
- d'abord, une boucle en Afrique du Sud (Blyde river canyon et Kruger), nuits dans du 'dur', voiture de loc ordinaire (~250€ pour 9j chez avis, on a eu du bol, on a été surclassés ! Avec le recul, sans le surclassement, l'auto réservée était sans doute un peu ric-rac, autant prendre directement la classe au dessus, pour une centaine d'€ supplémentaires, qu'à mon avis on ne regrette pas !!)
- ensuite, boucle jusqu'à Kasane/Botswana et retour, dans un Land Rover équipé camping, nuits essentiellement en camping, avec qques nuits en dur pour se reposer les abatis... On a loué via south-africa 4x4, un peu inquiets au début car ils sont bien moins chers que la concurrence, mais au final, tout s'est parfaitement bien passé, et on repassera par eux sans hésiter la prochaine fois.
AfS, jour par jour :
- atterrissage JBG vers 11h, route vers Graskop, nuit à www.daramane.co.za - vraiment nickel, accueil hyper charmant itineraire Gogole Maps
- visite blyde river canyon, nuit au Mafigeni Safari Lodge - endroit étrange : on était les seuls dans le truc qui est un tout petit peu défraichi, les hôtes étaient des djeun's de 25 ans maxi, manifestement pas encore rodés au métier de l'hôtellerie... Curieuse impression... Mais au fond, rien à redire, on a été bien traités, et l'endroit ne manque pas de charme ! Je pense juste que c'est plus un lodge destiné à recevoir de groupes de chasseurs que des familles en goguette... Erreur de casting de ma part, mais pas mauvais souvenir pour autant... itineraire
- entré dans Kruger (KNP), nuit à Mopani itineraire
- tournicoti tournicota dans KNP, nuit à Satara itinéraire là + là (attention, on s'était amusé à préparer ces itinéraires avant le départ, mais dans KNP, tout est près long, même en se levant tôt, on a en fait pas fait la moitié des boucles qu'on avait imaginé ! Mais c'était bien rigolo de jouer avec GM avant le départ ! 🙂)
- tournicoti tournicota dans KNP, nuit à Tamboti tented camp, itinéraire là + là
- tournicoti tournicota dans KNP, nuit à Lower Sabie, itinéraire là + là
- tournicoti tournicota dans KNP, nuit à Biyamiti, itinéraire là + là
- tournicoti tournicota dans KNP, nuit à Pretoriuskop, itinéraire là + là
(NB : à refaire, on organiserait plutot les choses de sorte à arriver au lieu de nuit vers la mi-journée, se poser, puis repartir en game drive en milieu/fin d'aprem. C'est sans doute un peu dommage de faire comme on a fait, toute la journée sur les pistes, quand on arrive en milieu d'aprem au camp, on est trop crevés pour repartir faire un tour, et on rate les plus jolies heures de la journée...)
- route vers johannesburg, nuit à Bit'o'Bush, très chouette endroit, hôtesse très sympa !! itinéraire
(retour, première voiture de loc, réception du land rover)
- route vers Marakele National Park, 2 nuits en camping, nos premières : génial ! des rhinos se baladent à qques metres pendant qu'on monte la tente, on entend les lions rugir la nuit (mais ils sont hors barrières, ouf...) itineraire...
(je dois me sauver, suite à venir très vite !..)
G
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A noter pour ce qui suit : au cours de mes recherches, il m'a semblé que booker soi même au Botswana peut être franchement galère et très paumant ; dans le même temps, j'ai relevé sur des forums sudafs le nom d'une agence locale à propos de laquelle tout n'était que dithyrambe : Botswana Footprints et notamment sa responsable/contact, Tara dont voici le mail : tara@ngami.net . J'insiste vraiment, c'est une personne formidable, d'une grande aide, très accomodante, sympa et rassurante pour celui qui se sent un peu perdu dans tout ça... Sa rencontre (uniquement via mail) constitue un des très bons souvenirs de ce voyage, avant même qu'il ne commence ! Cerise sur le gâteau, il n'y a pas de surcoût par rapport aux prix publics ! Autrement dit, elle fait pour nous-autres clients un boulot qui n'a pas de prix, gratuitement ! Aujourd'hui encore, je me pince pour y croire...
- route vers le Botswana, nuit camping au Khama rhino sanctuary, très chouette halte... itineraire
- route vers Nata, nuit au Nata lodge, avec de vrais lits ! Chic ! Presque luxe, mais prix tout de même raisonnables... itineraire
- route vers Kasane, 3 nuits camping au Chobe Safari Lodge, un peu beaucoup l'usine mais du charme quand même, et idéal comme base pour les boat cruise (on a préféré celle du soir, bookées à l'hotel), et pour le day trip vers Vic Falls - grosse journée, chère, mais bon, peut-on raisonnablement éviter d'aller les voir ? C'est quand même épatant... On est passés pour cela par Willie Chirema, dont le nom revient souvent sur les forums sudafs, pour 950 pulas/pers tout compris (transfert+visa Zim+park fees), bien moins cher que ce que proposent les hotels... Rien à redire. Si besoin, voici son mail : kalrosetours@gmail.com itineraire
- entrée dans Chobe, nuit à Ihaha : un must ! On appréhendait sérieusement cette toute première expérience en plein milieu du bush, sans barrières, se préparant à ne pas fermer l'oeil de la nuit et même de la passer dans la voiture... Rien de cela finalement, on reste simplement constamment vigilant, et on profite de ce moment extatique... La prochaine fois, on y booke 3 nuits !
- retour sur Kasane, nuit camping au Thebe river lodge - moyen mais tout de même parfaitement acceptable
- route vers Nata, 2 nuits en dur au Nata lodge pour faire le plein de confort
- route (longue !) vers le sud-est (Tuli block), nuit camping au Limpopo river lodge - vraiment super endroit, très bien entretenu, juste au bord de la rivière, même si sur notre itinéraire, c'était un crochet de 25km (et retour !) de piste affreusement 'tôlondulée' ! itineraire
- route vers Mapunbugwe NP, AfS, 2 nuits camping à Mapunbugwe, très chouette à nouveau. La route, qui traverse le Tuli Block côté Bots, est absolument somptueuse, même si les éléphants, dont on voyait les bouses et traces de pas en cohortes, sont resté cachés ! Le passage de la frontière à Pont Drift, à gué, a été un grand moment ! Le camping du parc de Mapunbugwe est à proximité de la frontière, mais par un fait absurde, il faut passer par la réception du parc, à 35km, puis revenir ! Bon, bah... Les paysages du parc sont très très beaux, et quelques pistes très '4x4' ont été de bons moments de rigolade, si bien qu'on oublie qu'il n'y a pas des masses d'animaux. itineraire
- route (très longue) vers Pilanesberg NP, 2 nuits camping au Manyane resort - un peu grand à notre gout mais chouette quand même, et à proximité immédiate de l'entrée du parc. La visite du parc, même s'il est souvent considéré un peu comme une sorte de Thoiry à échelle sudaf, reste un très bon moment, très beaux paysages et beaucoup d'animaux, pas mal de voitures aussi quand même, mais c'est acceptable... Disons que c'est un bon palier de décompression avant de retourner à la civilisation... itineraire
- route vers JNB, nuit à Bit'o'bush
- vol retour, snif, bouhouhou. 😕
Voilà, inutile de dire qu'on a adoré, et qu'on a qu'une envie : d'y retourner !
Les enfants ont adoré, se sont parfois ennuyé durant les longs trajets ou les game drives infructueuses, mais ça fait partie du jeu !
N'hésitez pas si vous avez besoin de précisions sur tel ou tel point...
Un autre avis +++ pour Tara et Botswana Footprints !
À savoir quand même que devant l'afflux de demandes elle a fini par décider de facturer 500 pulas par client, quelque que soit le nombre de nuits ou d'activités réservées ce qui reste très raisonnable.
À savoir aussi qu'elle reçoit une commission des différents prestataires, et heureusement ! Comment vivrait-elle ?
On a loué via south-africa 4x4, un peu inquiets au début car ils sont bien moins chers que la concurrence, mais au final, tout s'est parfaitement bien passé, et on repassera par eux sans hésiter la prochaine fois.
Je suis allé faire un tour sur leur site et effectivement, je suis surpris par les tarifs plus qu'alléchants, en gros, je pourrais avoir un defender pour moins cher qu'un Hilux !😮
Ton 4x4 n'était pas trop vieux, pas trop bruyant ? Les pneus pas trop usés ?
J'ai déjà loué un def qui datait un peu et c'était assez violent côté volume sonore...
Quel véhicule avais tu loué et quelle autonomie avais-tu ?
merci en tous cas pour cette info qui pourrait bien me faire économiser dans les 500€...voir plus.
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
(à propos des photos)Hello,
Tout ça est encore un peu en bazar et éparpillé, je regarderai s'il y en a qui ont un intérêt au-delà de l'aspect 'souvenir perso' !
G
Un autre avis +++ pour Tara et Botswana Footprints !... elle a fini par décider de facturer 500 pulas par client, ... ce qui reste très raisonnable.
À savoir aussi qu'elle reçoit une commission des différents prestataires, et heureusement ! Comment vivrait-elle ?
Oui, je supposais bien qu'elle prenait une com' de l'autre côté, sinon, effectivement, on pourrait s'interroger sur son business model ! 🙂
Qu'elle prenne désormais une com' forfaitaire, même si c'est pas agréable à apprendre, n'est franchement pas scandaleux. Encore une fois, elle a été tellement sympa que je m'en serais acquitté avec plaisir : je me suis en effet senti presque gêné de profiter de ses services "gratis" !... (Il faut ajouter que sur notre dossier, ses coms ont du être minimes, puisqu'on a essentiellement campé, et les nuit en dur (donc les plus onéreuses) ne se sont de toute façon pas faites dans des lodges à watt-mille dollars !)
G
Ton 4x4 n'était pas trop vieux, pas trop bruyant ? Les pneus pas trop usés ?
J'ai déjà loué un def qui datait un peu et c'était assez violent côté volume sonore...
Quel véhicule avais tu loué et quelle autonomie avais-tu ?
Hello,
Pour des raisons perso et pas exclusivement cartésiennes, on voulait absolument un Defender, c'est donc ce qu'on a choisi, et eu !
Il était de 2010, soit une génération où l'ambiance sonore est semble-t-il substantiellement améliorée par rapport à de plus anciens modèles... Mais attention, ça reste un def, hein...
En tout cas, de notre ressenti, un peu de boucan, certes, mais ça fait partie du fun et ça reste tout à fait tolérable !
De 2010, donc, avec 80 000km, nickel dans l'ensemble, pneus quasi-neufs.
Pour l'autonomie, c'est difficile à dire, car on a pas été au bout, on refillait au fur et à mesure sur la route, mais je dirais qu'on avait entre 650 et 700km (mais plus près de 650) sur le réservoir, plus 2 jerricans de 20l dans la benne - dont on a jamais eu l'usage ! - , soit en très gros 300 km de plus... A mon avis, ça laisse le temps de voir venir, mais des plus experts me contrediront peut-etre !...
Merci pour ta réponse.🙂
Je vais continuer d'abuser .
Tu avais quel modèle ? Le puma ? Le puma suréquipé ?
J'ai tout comme toi une préférence pour les defender, mais les prix que j'avais vu qui frôlent les 2000 Rd/ jour m'avaient un poil refroidi, j'avais trouvé un Toy landcruiser à 1750 rd, mais là, c'est 1250 rd/jour que tu me fais miroiter !
J'ai jeté un oeil sur TA et ai tout de même trouvé une review un peu inquiétante :
Based on the good reviews on tripadvisor we decided to rent a Landrover at Southafrica4x4 and the contact per mail was very good and friendly. The car looked awesome and the tents on the roof are perfect. Unfortunately we had several serious problems with the car during our trip through Namibia. During the trip, the lights stopped working, the shock-absorber broke 3 times till we got a new one, the wires of the engine were loose, so that the car didn't start anymore in the middle of nowhere, we lost water (they told us they were aware of and its not a big deal), so that the car stopped working in the Etosha park. The jack was brooke at all so that we couldn't change the tyre and one door and the drunk didn't close properly. Most of the time we had no connection and therefore couldn't contact the company. We could reach them for two problems and they guided us helpfully to the next garage and paid the bill. But unfortunately we had much more than just two garage visits due to technical problems. So we had to pay in advance, in the belief that the company would refund us. Because we had to stay in Windhoek, in order to get new shock-absorber, we lost two days and couldn't go to Botswana, where we already had paid the accommodation. We told them all our problems and the money that they owe us (at least for fixing the car) and they ensure us, that they will refund us. Unfortunately that was the last time we heard from them. Nobody is replying our mails on they didn't refund us. Maybe we were unlucky with the car (although I think it was just old and not well maintained) but the "service" after is horrible. Just not answering our mails?!
Mais ceci dit, je pense qu'ils avaient pris un modèle ancien, si tu as le temps jette un oeil sur leurs photo et dis moi ce que tu en penses.
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Le modèle sur les photos semble être un Td4 donc postérieur à 2007.
As-tu lu la réponse du loueur à ta citation?
Oui, tu as raison, il faut aussi la mettre en ligne pour être really fair, mais vu que j'ai mis le lien en ligne et qu'on m'a déjà reproché d'avoir fait un copié collé d'une trop grosse tartine en anglais...😉
( au fait , et ta panne à toi ? Tu avais abuse ton vehicle ? 😛 )
YOU ABUSE MY VEHICLE = NO REFUND
It is very simple. If you drive in abusive manner that causes damage to our vehicles then we will take steps to look after our interest.
Lets look at the facts of this matter and see what we can learn from this :
1. Many of the "problems" pointed out at the return of the vehicle was done a member of the tour group that did not attend the pre rental information session. After we pointed out a few things to him the "problems" were all working.
Lesson
Attend the pre rental information session and pay attention.
2. Due to the nature of this type of adventure you may experience some on the road problems. 98% of our adventures take place without incident. Most problems are minor.
When you experience a problem notify us. We cannot fix or assist to fix something if we do not know about it. A lot of your repair shop visits could have been sorted with one visit where we would have sent you to our recommended repair shop and we would have assisted the repair shop in what needs to be done. One stop all done !
The other problem that we sit with if clients stop anywhere to do repairs is that the quality of the repairs is not up to our standard and we have to redo the repair again in Johannesburg and pay for it again.
Lesson
Report problems as they happen. We have a 24 hour line for assistance.
3. Do not abuse my vehicle. The shock absorbers were replaced in Windhoek ( and paid for by SA 4x4 ) due to abusive driving / speeding ( see Sat Track ). This was confirmed by the installation company. We did not even ask them, they phoned us to inform us that the clients of this rental is abusing the vehicle. This I will simply not tolerate.
Lesson
Look after the rental and drive carefully and within the speed limits. Then we will look after you.
4. Phi L - I have not received any form of communication from you regarding this matter. Email ? Call ? Text message ? You are based in South Africa and not in Germany as your profile states. Surely you could just have picked up the phone to bring this matter to our attention if you feel this strongly about it ! You are still welcome to do so to discuss and resolve.
The vehicle in question was returned, serviced, the electrical repairs fixed (30 minutes) and is currently enjoying a 6 week holiday in Malawi.
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Tu avais quel modèle ? Le puma ? Le puma suréquipé ?... c'est 1250 rd/jour que tu me fais miroiter !
J'ai jeté un oeil sur TA et ai tout de même trouvé une review un peu inquiétante :
Hello,
Nous avions opté pour le Puma 'simple'.
Attention tout de même, j'ai l'impression que les tarifs évoluent un peu, 1275R/j est peut etre un peu optimiste ! A regarder de près pour éviter les déceptions ! (d'après ce que j'ai vu, cela reste de tout façon intéressant...)
La review est effectivement un peu flippante, mais deux observations :
- elle se trouve seule au milieu des tas d'autres tout à fait positives, ça relativise...
- la remarque de Voyajou est pertinente : la réponse de Carel Pienaar mérite d'être prise en compte, et pour avoir rencontré le monsieur, sans dire que je le connais bien, mon impression est que ce n'est pas un joueur de pipeau...
Pour faire simple, c'est une sorte de deal de confiance : on attend une auto qui fonctionne et une assistance si un problème devait survenir, mais eux aussi, de leur côté, te font confiance pour tout simplement leur ramener leur voiture vivante ! Sans quoi, leur business est foutu... Ils ont beaucoup à perdre aussi si les gens font les cons... Le locataire doit aussi de comporter de façon responsable, quoi...
Peut etre que les gens qui se plaignent ont joué aux couillons, et se trouvent tout surpris que l'assurance couillonnade ne soit pas comprise dans le forfait ? 🙂
Si les mecs pensent jouer à paridakar avec l'auto, ils ont ce qu'ils méritent... Les conditions de route/piste sont souvent suffisamment éprouvantes pour une voiture, pour ne pas en rajouter à faire le kéké.. Mais je leur fais peut etre un mauvais procès, hein...
Nous n'avons de notre côté rencontré aucun problème significatif avec l'auto.
Et 15j après le retour, le solde de la loc n'était toujours pas débité de notre compte (soit 75% du total) !! Il faut d'ailleurs que je revérifie et le contacte pour voir ça !... Ou pas ? 😇😉
( au fait , et ta panne à toi ? Tu avais abuse ton vehicle ? 😛 )
Une fuite de durite, pas anormal sur un engin conçu il y a plus de 60 ans n'est-ce pas docteur?😏
Trêve de mauvaise foi, je ne vais pas me faire l'avocat de la fiabilité du Defender, je tiens à ma crédibilité, mais, le sais-tu, il est des circonstances où le charme se paie.😊
Tiens, un peu de lecture jouissive: L'Explosion de la durite de l'excellent Jean Rolin.
http://www.pol-editeur.com/...BN=978-2-84682-120-9
@Guillaume: dans le filigrane de tes propos on lit que tu es digne d'un Defender.🙂😇
La review est effectivement un peu flippante, mais deux observations :
- elle se trouve seule au milieu des tas d'autres tout à fait positives, ça relativise...
- la remarque de Voyajou est pertinente : la réponse de Carel Pienaar mérite d'être prise en compte, et pour avoir rencontré le monsieur, sans dire que je le connais bien, mon impression est que ce n'est pas un joueur de pipeau...
Pour faire simple, c'est une sorte de deal de confiance : on attend une auto qui fonctionne et une assistance si un problème devait survenir, mais eux aussi, de leur côté, te font confiance pour tout simplement leur ramener leur voiture vivante ! Sans quoi, leur business est foutu... Ils ont beaucoup à perdre aussi si les gens font les cons... Le locataire doit aussi de comporter de façon responsable, quoi...
Peut etre que les gens qui se plaignent ont joué aux couillons, et se trouvent tout surpris que l'assurance couillonnade ne soit pas comprise dans le forfait ? 🙂
Si les mecs pensent jouer à paridakar avec l'auto, ils ont ce qu'ils méritent... Les conditions de route/piste sont souvent suffisamment éprouvantes pour une voiture, pour ne pas en rajouter à faire le kéké.. Mais je leur fais peut etre un mauvais procès, hein...
Je suis assez d'accord, le nombre de review positives plaide pour eux, d'autant qu'il y a eu d'autres casses et qu'ils semblent avoir bien réagi et n'avoir pas surfacturé.
Il semble bien que le client ait abusé et ait effectivement joué au con avec la voiture.
Je suis quasi convaincu et vais de ce pas demander un devis, je pars 28 jours, ça devrait être intéressant.
Je compte prendre le puma également.
Et 15j après le retour, le solde de la loc n'était toujours pas débité de notre compte (soit 75% du total) !! Il faut d'ailleurs que je revérifie et le contacte pour voir ça !... Ou pas ? 😇😉
Les encaissements différés sont assez fréquents et parfois voulus...surtout quand la monnaie est en cours d'évolution positive...😕
@ Jean
Une fuite de durite, pas anormal sur un engin conçu il y a plus de 60 ans n'est-ce pas docteur?😏
Trêve de mauvaise foi, je ne vais pas me faire l'avocat de la fiabilité du Defender, je tiens à ma crédibilité, mais, le sais-tu, il est des circonstances où le charme se paie
Tutafé tutafé, il n'est pas rare qu'après soixante ans de bons et loyaux services, il ne faille disposer une protection sous le tuyau...les aléas de la mécanique ma bonne dame !😛
J'ai déjà pratiqué le def et ai été convaincu par son agilité et sa facilité à franchir les obstacles y compris dans du sable mou et très sec. c'est juste le prix qui m'arrêtait, mais là...🙂
Bref, je serais très heureux de ne pas à avoir à faire mon (gros) trajet, riche en tronçons sablonneux , dans un Hilux 2.5 l. ( un "faux" 4x4 comme tu dis...un peu abusivement toutefois😏)
De plus, connaissant un heureux propriétaire près de chez moi, je vais même pouvoir pratiquer un peu avant de partir !
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Attention tout de même, j'ai l'impression que les tarifs évoluent un peu, 1275R/j est peut etre un peu optimiste !
Oups ! Au temps pour moi, c'est bien 1375rd et pas 1275...😕
Mais ça reste plus que compétitif...je me tête même pour prendre leur Puma ultimate machin chose ! 😎
( réservoir d'eau 100 l, gasoil 250 l)
Je ne t'ai pas demandé, j'ai l'impression que tous leurs puma sont équipés de snorkel non ?
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Faudrait savoir...
Que tu sois souple, je n'en doute pas mais que tu sois hermaphrodite, c'est un scoop!🤪
(ou bien voulais-tu écrire borné et tâte?😏)
Non non, c'était "burné" et "tète" ( désolé pour la faute d'accent 😏)
Tout dépend de ce que l'on tète...
(sévèrement burné , mais pas seulement : pas besoin d'être souple du coup ! 😊 )
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Nous envisageons un voyage du même type que vous l'année prochaine, avec deux enfants de 8 et 10 ans.
Et en camping, en 4x4.
Nous avons un peu d'expérience en 4x4 mais moins en camping...
Auriez-vous une évaluation du budget ?
Avez-vous confié toutes les réservations d'hébergement à Botswana footprints ?
Merci pour tous ces renseignements
Sandrine
Les encaissements différés sont assez fréquents et parfois voulus...surtout quand la monnaie est en cours d'évolution positive...😕
Sans doute, mais dans notre cas, il s'agit d'une transaction/autorisation en rands, donc ils n'ont de leur côté rien à gagner à jouer la fluctuation du taux de change, puisque la somme reste la même... Me trompé-je ? (par contre, effectivement, nous, on peut y perdre éventuellement si les taux évoluent défavorablement...)
G
Je ne t'ai pas demandé, j'ai l'impression que tous leurs puma sont équipés de snorkel non ?
Eh ben non, le nôtre n'en avait pas... Impossible de dire si ça a manqué à l'auto, mais à nous non ! 😛
Je suppose que pour notre durée/itinéraire, ils ont estimé qu'on pouvait en prendre un sans...
Mais effectivement, si ça te semble important, ça vaut sans doute le coup d'aborder la question avec eux...
G
Bonjour,
Nous avons un peu d'expérience en 4x4 mais moins en camping...
Bonjour,
Ma compagne avait un peu d'experience de camping, moi aucune, eh bien on apprend très vite sur le tas, et c'est très amusant !
Auriez-vous une évaluation du budget ?
Bien difficile à dire comme ça, on a pas encore fait le bilan final, mais évidemment, les gros postes sont :
- les billets d'avion (on en a trouvé à ~600€/pers)
- la loc du 4x4 (très approximativement entre 90 et 110€/jour - vous pouvez consulter les prix sur le site cité plus haut à titre d'exemple)
- l'hébergement, mais là, la gamme des prix est extrêmement large, tout dépend de vos choix en la matière ! Les liens cités plus haut peuvent fournir des infos et pistes de réflexion...
Il faut aussi penser à ajouter les entrées dans les parcs : en AfS, la célèbre Wild Card, (~220€ pour une famille, valable un an), au Botswana, de l'ordre de 30€/j pour une famille de 4...
L'essence est plutôt nettement moins chère qu'ici (moins d'1€ le litre), et la nourriture, au supermarché ou au resto, également (très) nettement moins chère !...
Ensuite, il n'y a plus qu'à faire une addition, mais ça, c'est trop douloureux, j'y arrive pas ! 🏴☠️😉
Avez-vous confié toutes les réservations d'hébergement à Botswana footprints ?
Oui et non : tous les hébergements au Botswana ont été réservés par leur biais, mais seulement ceux-là : pour la partie Afs, on s'est débrouillé en direct, essentiellement via le site des SANParks , plus qques nuit hors parcs, mentionnées plus haut...
C'est surtout nécessaire au Botswana où, semble-t-il, le système de résas est un peu (très ?) compliqué à distance...
Pour l'Afs, ça se gère assez simplement en direct.
Bonne préparation !
G
Eh ben non, le nôtre n'en avait pas... Impossible de dire si ça a manqué à l'auto, mais à nous non ! 😛
Je suppose que pour notre durée/itinéraire, ils ont estimé qu'on pouvait en prendre un sans...
Mais effectivement, si ça te semble important, ça vaut sans doute le coup d'aborder la question avec eux...
G
Oui, c'est très important : c'est beaucoup plus joli sur les photos avec un snorkel ! 😎
Me trompé-je
Pas énormément.😏
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Sans compter que, du coup, un burné sans snorkel devient un noeud-nuque?😏
(de plus en plus acrobatique!🤪)
Un noeud-nuque ?!? C'est du cochon ou du lard ? Et meme si c'est du cochon, quel lard et m' garde donc ce noeud-nuque ?
( argh ! J'ai failli louper ma réception sur le triple salto ! 🏴☠️)
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
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Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM
4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing
5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?)
8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...)
9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?)
11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!)
13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure)
16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...)
18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP
21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!)
22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now...
I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments...
Can’t wait to be back there again!
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes.
I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks).
Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate.
Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross.
Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head.
Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes:
Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek?
At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge?
There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls.
I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions.
I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali.
Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha.
I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4.
Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
😊🦁
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?