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Conseil pour sac à dos grande randonnée
by Alex175123
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonsoir,
Je pars cet été tout d'abord en interrail faire un tour d'europe du sup, (Italie, Grèce, Turquie, Bulgarie, Monténégro Croatie.......), puis je vais enchaîner après avec le GR20 en Corse. (Entre temps on se débarrassera de tout le superflue pour etre le plus leger possible)
J'avais envisager d'acheter chez Quechua le Symbium Acces 70, à 139€, mais après mure réflexion, et un tour sur les forums, je me dis qu'il vaut peut être mieux mettre un peu plus cher et investir dans une marque plus reconnue (Millet, deuter...).
Qu'en pensez vous? Cet achat me durera surement une Dizaine d'année, alors autant mettre le prix non? Que pensez vous des sacs Jack Wolfskin?
Quelle sont pour vous les meilleures marques?
Merci pour votre aide
Merci pour votre aide
Sur une "longue" période, il faut quand même prévoir un volume convenable .... et 70 l ne paraît nullement superflu !!! - reste à bien sélectionner le contenu pour réussir à s'alléger (poids du matos, du duvet et des habits - être un peu rigoureux dans la quantité des effets transportés - et même le poids du sac lui-même doit compter dans l’addition !!!)
en bref, un 70 litres paraît tout à fait adapté, not. pour le GR 20 qui suppose quelques périodes d'autonomie (on raconte que ça manque de supermarchés là haut 😄..)
Pour la marque, je ne suis guère attiré par les "grandes marques", souvent fabriquées dans les mêmes pays que les autres, pas forcément beaucoup plus "technique" que Quechua (ou d'autres) .... Le gain en "espérance de vie" est parfois hors de proportion avec la différence de prix ...
Perso, je pense qu'il est plus utile (sinon indispensable) d'essayer les sacs ... et donc : achat en magasin, visu des sangles de portage, dispositif de réglage, sensation au porter du sac, aération du dos ... etc ...
En fait, bien qu'achetant la plupart de mes équipements "en ligne", les sac à dos sont parmi les rares objets qui me paraissent exiger plus que le choix sur catalogue ou sur la réputation des marques
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
Salut
Nous avons fait un voyage de 12 mois (6 mois Asie et 6 mois Amérique du Sud), essentiellement en transports locaux, donc avec les sacs dans des soutes parfois trash, sur des toits de bus, dans des camions-bétaillères, sur des chevaux (Mongolie) ou sur notre dos (Népal, Patagonie, etc...)
Ces sacs sont des Quecha et ils sont encore nickels. Et pourtant, ils en ont vu !! Au retour, ont les a nettoyés (il y avait entre autre du suif de mouton à cause d'un transfert en Équateur en soute avec de charmants ovins, de la poussière, de la terre, etc...) et ils sont prêts à repartir.
Ils sont certes peut-être un peu plus lourd à vide, mais ils sont solides et franchement, nous estimons que l'investissement (d'il y a maintenant 7 ou 8 ans) en vaut vraiment la peine.
Nous avons fait un voyage de 12 mois (6 mois Asie et 6 mois Amérique du Sud), essentiellement en transports locaux, donc avec les sacs dans des soutes parfois trash, sur des toits de bus, dans des camions-bétaillères, sur des chevaux (Mongolie) ou sur notre dos (Népal, Patagonie, etc...)
Ces sacs sont des Quecha et ils sont encore nickels. Et pourtant, ils en ont vu !! Au retour, ont les a nettoyés (il y avait entre autre du suif de mouton à cause d'un transfert en Équateur en soute avec de charmants ovins, de la poussière, de la terre, etc...) et ils sont prêts à repartir.
Ils sont certes peut-être un peu plus lourd à vide, mais ils sont solides et franchement, nous estimons que l'investissement (d'il y a maintenant 7 ou 8 ans) en vaut vraiment la peine.
Cliquer >> Nos treks / Notre voyage autour du monde / Notre traversée du Népal
Salut,
Pour ce qui est du sac à dos comme des chaussures, il me semble tout à fait déraisonnable d'acheter ce genre de produits sans les avoir essayés. J'ai fait une fois la bêtise de me décider sur catalogue pour un sac et je l'ai regretté pendant six mois. Donc mon conseil c'est : oublie les sites et les catalogues et rend toi dans un magasin où il y a le maximum de choix. N'oublies pas de tester les sacs en mettant du poids dedans (sinon ça ne sert à rien) ! Fais ta sélection et rentre chez toi sans avoir fait ton achat et recherche sur Internet des infos sur les sacs qui t'on plu. Une fois que tu auras recroisé les données, tu pourras faire ton achat sans trop te tromper.
Pour ce qui est du litrage, 70 litres, c'est effectivement beaucoup, même pour le GR20 ! (à titre d'info, c'est ce que je prends pour une "expé" en montagne (altitude) de 7 jours en totale autonomie...) Perso, je pencherai plutôt pour un truc autour des 45/50 litres. Même si vous faites votre tour d'Europe en randonnant, vous pourrez vous répartir le matos, faire des lessives et vérifier qu'on part toujours avec trop de choses !
A+
Pour ce qui est du sac à dos comme des chaussures, il me semble tout à fait déraisonnable d'acheter ce genre de produits sans les avoir essayés. J'ai fait une fois la bêtise de me décider sur catalogue pour un sac et je l'ai regretté pendant six mois. Donc mon conseil c'est : oublie les sites et les catalogues et rend toi dans un magasin où il y a le maximum de choix. N'oublies pas de tester les sacs en mettant du poids dedans (sinon ça ne sert à rien) ! Fais ta sélection et rentre chez toi sans avoir fait ton achat et recherche sur Internet des infos sur les sacs qui t'on plu. Une fois que tu auras recroisé les données, tu pourras faire ton achat sans trop te tromper.
Pour ce qui est du litrage, 70 litres, c'est effectivement beaucoup, même pour le GR20 ! (à titre d'info, c'est ce que je prends pour une "expé" en montagne (altitude) de 7 jours en totale autonomie...) Perso, je pencherai plutôt pour un truc autour des 45/50 litres. Même si vous faites votre tour d'Europe en randonnant, vous pourrez vous répartir le matos, faire des lessives et vérifier qu'on part toujours avec trop de choses !
A+
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
"Sur une "longue" période, il faut quand même prévoir un volume convenable .... et 70 l ne paraît nullement superflu !!! "
Bonjour,
Quel est le rapport entre longue période et grand volume? Il me semble que l'on ne porte qu'un pantalon à la fois, tout comme une seule paire de chaussures... Et que si vous avez froid, vous enfilerez vos différents vêtements pour avoir plus de couches et avoir moins froid même si vous allez ressembler à un peu n'importe quoi. En voyage, on ressemble rarement à un modèle des défilés de haute couture...
Michel
Bonjour,
Quel est le rapport entre longue période et grand volume? Il me semble que l'on ne porte qu'un pantalon à la fois, tout comme une seule paire de chaussures... Et que si vous avez froid, vous enfilerez vos différents vêtements pour avoir plus de couches et avoir moins froid même si vous allez ressembler à un peu n'importe quoi. En voyage, on ressemble rarement à un modèle des défilés de haute couture...
Michel
Salut à tous, j'ai finalement opter pour le gregory "Baltoro 65L" au vieux campeur, après une longue hesitation avec le osprey AETHER 70L. Le gregory m'a paru plus confortable, j'espere désormais avoir fait le bon choix! :)
Salut à tous, j'ai finalement opter pour le gregory "Baltoro 65L" au vieux campeur
Héhéhé... c'est mon sac depuis 4 ans (acheté au même endroit) et je n'en changerai pour rien au monde ! J'espère que tu en seras aussi satisfait que moi.
Héhéhé... c'est mon sac depuis 4 ans (acheté au même endroit) et je n'en changerai pour rien au monde ! J'espère que tu en seras aussi satisfait que moi.
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
J'espère bien! Le vendeur m'a dit avant que je l'essaye, "en général le gregory on l'adore ou on le deteste!" En espérant qu'une fois chargé à bloc je l'aimerai toujours autant ;)
Bonjour,
Juste qq questions pour ma curiosité: combien de kg fera ton sac une fois rempli? As-tu déjà marché plusieurs jours en montagne avec un poids équivalent? As-tu déjà eu à franchir des passages délicats avec ce genre de truc sur le dos? Si oui ben pas de soucis, si non, je pense qu'il serait sage de quand même tester avant de se lancer sur le gr20 😉
Bonne randos! Arnaud
Juste qq questions pour ma curiosité: combien de kg fera ton sac une fois rempli? As-tu déjà marché plusieurs jours en montagne avec un poids équivalent? As-tu déjà eu à franchir des passages délicats avec ce genre de truc sur le dos? Si oui ben pas de soucis, si non, je pense qu'il serait sage de quand même tester avant de se lancer sur le gr20 😉
Bonne randos! Arnaud
Quel est le rapport entre longue période et grand volume? Il me semble que l'on ne porte qu'un pantalon à la fois, tout comme une seule paire de chaussures...
l
bonjour rapport entre longue période et grand volume? C'est très simple : si on veut partir sur plusieurs jours il faut prendre des sachets de lyophilisé et ça finit par encombrer le sac. A moins de se restaurer en refuge... ensuite il faut mettre dans le sac à dos le sac de couchage, éventuellement la tente , une veste polaire etc...et tout cela prend un minimum de place
bonjour rapport entre longue période et grand volume? C'est très simple : si on veut partir sur plusieurs jours il faut prendre des sachets de lyophilisé et ça finit par encombrer le sac. A moins de se restaurer en refuge... ensuite il faut mettre dans le sac à dos le sac de couchage, éventuellement la tente , une veste polaire etc...et tout cela prend un minimum de place
Bonjour,
C'est seulement si vous envisagez de camper que se pose le problème du volume (et donc du poids) à emporter.
Les vêtements et accessoires pour un séjour "urbain" ou plus "outdoor" sont globalement identiques. La polaire (ou vêtement similaire) qui semble vous poser souci n'est absolument pas emportée que par les campeurs/randonneurs.
Même si elles sont couteuses, les tentes une personne les plus légères font le kilo et vous savez descendre en dessous avec les modèles pour bivouac.
Il est possible de trouver un sac de couchage compact et léger (juste au dessus de 600 grammes) sans se ruiner (dans une enseigne bien connue) ou un sac à viande encore plus léger. Il y a des matelas autogonflants très légers (si vous optez pour des versions courtes)
Les aliments lyophilisés permettent un gain de poids et de volume. En Corse ou ailleurs sur la planète, c'est seulement si vous dépassez une certaine durée de randonnée que, vous aurez de toute façon des problèmes avec la nourriture. Ici, vous avez des refuges qui sont de facto d'une grande aide et permettent de réduire les quantités de lyophilisés à emporter avec soi.
Si nécessaire, randonner léger (le site bien connu) donne toutes les infos pour une chasse aux kilos et aux litres superflus. il est ainsi possible de réduire le volume su sac.
Michel
C'est seulement si vous envisagez de camper que se pose le problème du volume (et donc du poids) à emporter.
Les vêtements et accessoires pour un séjour "urbain" ou plus "outdoor" sont globalement identiques. La polaire (ou vêtement similaire) qui semble vous poser souci n'est absolument pas emportée que par les campeurs/randonneurs.
Même si elles sont couteuses, les tentes une personne les plus légères font le kilo et vous savez descendre en dessous avec les modèles pour bivouac.
Il est possible de trouver un sac de couchage compact et léger (juste au dessus de 600 grammes) sans se ruiner (dans une enseigne bien connue) ou un sac à viande encore plus léger. Il y a des matelas autogonflants très légers (si vous optez pour des versions courtes)
Les aliments lyophilisés permettent un gain de poids et de volume. En Corse ou ailleurs sur la planète, c'est seulement si vous dépassez une certaine durée de randonnée que, vous aurez de toute façon des problèmes avec la nourriture. Ici, vous avez des refuges qui sont de facto d'une grande aide et permettent de réduire les quantités de lyophilisés à emporter avec soi.
Si nécessaire, randonner léger (le site bien connu) donne toutes les infos pour une chasse aux kilos et aux litres superflus. il est ainsi possible de réduire le volume su sac.
Michel
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Thanks! :)
Hi everyone,
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
