Nous préparons notre voyage de 2018 en Afrique du Sud
Celui de 2017 vient de se terminer et il nous a tellement enthousiasmés que nous voulons y retourner dès l'année prochaine.
Merci à tout ceux qui nous ont aidé à programmer ce voyage. Un petit carnet suivra, je l'espère, bientôt.
Notre itinéraire 2018 prévoit un passage de 4 nuits au KTP début août (les résas ne sont pas encore ouvertes pour cette période)
Quelles camps sont les mieux placés pour visiter de la meilleure façon le parc ?
L'accès est-il possible dans tous les camps avec un SUV ou fat-il un vrai 4X4 ? Et pour visiter le parc SUV ou 4X4 ?
Avez-vous des adresses de loueurs de 4X4 à Upington ? Ailleurs ?
Merci pour votre aide
Bonsoir,
Si vous restez dans la partie sud-africaine, un SUV fera bien l'affaire (et pour une première visite fera la vôtre aussi).
La question des meilleurs camps dépend de vos choix d'hébergement: camping ou lodges?
Un loueur à Upington: Desert4x4
PS Le titre du message semble inadéquat puisqu'il parle du Kruger alors que vos questions concernent le KTP
Bonjour,
KTP (Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park) ou Kruger ?
Pour le Kruger, un SUV suffit.
Pour le KTP, non, mais possibilité de faire des game drive complémentaire avec les lodges.
Pour le Kruger, le mieux, car il est immense, est de le faire en itinérant. Vous changez de lodge ou de camping chaque jour.
A côté du Kruger, dommage de passer à côté du Blyde Canyon.
Christian
Et merci pour ta réponse.
Non il ne s'agit pas du Kruger, que nous avons visité cette année, mais du KTP.
Voyage Forum a changer le titre de la discussion semble-t-il (ou alors j'ai été vraiment distrait)
Ma première question concerne le choix des camps.
Comme nous resterons probablement 4 nuits je pensais diviser cela en 2X2 nuits dans des endroits différents.
Mais lesquels choisir ? J'ai vu que certains camps de tentes ne sont pas accessibles sans 4X4 .
Si tu peux m'aider ?
Merci
Jean Luc
Bonjour Jean Luc
Et merci pour ta réponse.
En effet le titre qui est sorti du clavier ne correspondait pas à ce que je voulais écrire, trop de précipitation.... 😊 Mais je ne sais pas comment le changer.
Pour les logements, ce ne serait pas du camping et pour le Kalahari, nous resterions cette année dans la partie Sud AF.
Si j'ai bien compris le plan du parc, il y a 2 gravel roads qui partent deTwee rivieren et montent au nord-ouest et nord est. Avec aussi deux transversales qui les réunissent. C'est bien ces routes là qui sont accessibles aux véhicules normaux (4X2) ?
Encore merci pour les réponses (et félicitation pour ton prénom😉...)
J'imagine que vous avez le projet de faire la partie Afrique du Sud et la partie Botswana du parc (c'est la plus vaste. Depuis cette année visa de 30 dollars ou 30 pulas, je suis pas sûr du montant pour le Botswana)
Vous viendrez d'Uptington ?
Ensuite, vous allez où ?
Namaqualand en août ? Vous pouvez y être à la période de la floraison.
Nous ne ferons que la partie Sud Af du KTP cette année.
Botswana et Namibie seront pour une prochaine visite
Nous commencerons par le Kruger, puis Swaziland, Sodwana Bay (que nous avons adoré cette année), Drakensberg, puis Upington avec Augrabie Waterfalls, Witsand NP et KTP.
Nous irons ensuite vers Madikwe GR puis retour à Jobourg.
Donc on cherche 2 points de chute pour 2 nuits dans le KTP sud africain.
Et nous n'aurons probablement pas de 4X4
Beau circuit.Vous pourriez aller au Twee Rivieren et au Mata Mata. Et si vous êtes "argentés" au !Xans Lodge.
Nous sommes allés au Swaziland il y a deux ans. Une très belle surprise : les Swazis sont charmants, petit pays, mais très beaux paysages, très bel artisanat. Nous sommes restés dans un lodge près de M'Babane dont la propriétaire est Belge, une dame charmante et de très bon conseil.
Christian
PS : le fait de louer un véhicule pour passer la frontière du Swaziland est particulier. Tous les loueurs n'acceptent pas. Il faut en tout cas le signaler et ça peut entraîner un surcoût.
Le Rand est accepté au Swaziland ( taux Rand = taux Lilangeni) mais la devise du Swaziland n'est pas convertible et ne peut être utilisé que dans le pays. C'est comme pour le Rand et le Dollar namibien en Namibie.
Merci pour les infos pour le Swaziland.
Nous y étions cette année et avons pu effectivement constater tout ce que tu dis.
Nous avons été 2 nuits à Hlane.
C'était sympa, pour les Rhinos et les Hippos avec la grande mare devant le resto.
L'éclairage du camps et des rondades avec des lampes à pétrole donne aussi incertain cachet.
Nous avons aussi été au Lesotho que personnellement nous avons trouvé plus intéressant : beauté des paysages, authenticité des habitants, ...
Et à Semonkong on a eu la chance de voir des courses de chevaux à 2000 M d'altitude....
C'était très impressionnant.
Je ne connais pas le Lesotho. Il y a tellement à faire et à voir dans ce coin là de la planète !
En fait, je suis plutôt "branché" Namibie. Mes beaux-parents vivent à Windhoek.
Ce printemps, nous avons fait le Caprivi, le Kafue en Zambie, pour finir aux chutes.
Si un jour, vous avez besoin d'infos pour la Namibie, n'hésitez pas.
Logements du ktp : kieliekrankie au sud grootkolk au nord.
Kalahari tented camp est bien aussi.
Ces trois camps sont accessibles sans 4x4.
Seuls gharagab et bitterpan nécessitent ce type de véhicule dans la partie sud af.
Attention de bien faire ses courses à Upington.
Le choix dans les boutiques du parc est restreint voire très restreint si la dernière livraison est lointaine. ..
Bonjour Attila,
Et merci pour ta réponse; je vais examiner ces propositions de plus près.
Tu propose ces camps de tentes pour leur côté plus proche de la nature, je suppose ?
En restant sur les routes les plus praticables, voit-on autant d'animaux (félins) qu'en empruntant les pistes réservées aux 4X4 ?
Tu propose ces camps de tentes pour leur côté plus proche de la nature, je suppose ?
Oui.
Tu es vraiment au milieu de nulle part (grootkolk;kieliekrankie) et les logements ont nettement plus de charme.
Vue dégagée et soit splendide (kieliekrankie) soit sur un point d eau souvent fréquenté (grootkolk et kalahari tented camp)
pistes réservées aux 4X4 ?
Les seules pistes 4x4 que j'ai empruntées au ktp n'ont pas été très riches en rencontres animalières...
La partie classique en revanche si.
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We still need to reserve the stretch between De Hoop Nature Reserve and Cape Town. Any suggestions?
We’d love to stay around Cape Town for 5 days to explore the wine route, the peninsula, and do some hikes in Table Mountain.
Any camping recommendations? Or, on the contrary, places to avoid?
Also, we have 2 nights left near Wilderness National Park / Knysna. Any recommendations?
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I also considered Zimbabwe but I’m worried it might be a bit chilly at night in June.
I’ve revisited an itinerary I’d thought about before, tweaking it since I’ll have more days to dedicate to this trip. Still no big northern classics for the same reasons as before (too expensive, too crowded, too many tour operators).
Here’s what I’ve got so far:
(Arrival/departure from Kilimanjaro Airport)
Night 1: Arusha
Night 2: Arusha
Night 3: Lake Manyara
Night 4: On the way to Iringa (any ideas???)
Night 5: Iringa
Nights 6–8: Ruaha NP
Nights 9–10: Mikumi NP
Night 11: Bagamoyo
Nights 12–15: Beach
Nights 16–17: Lushoto
Nights 18–19: Mkomazi NP
Night 20: Toward Marangu – eastern Kilimanjaro
Night 21: Western Kilimanjaro
End of trip
All your ideas, tweaks, info, and suggestions on this route are welcome!
I could move one beach night somewhere else if needed.
Also, if you have a car rental company to recommend or thoughts on the bandas rented in the parks, I’m all ears!
Finally, what are the roads like in Ruaha in June? The rental company I’m looking at seems to allow this park with a small 4x4. (Off-limits: Serengeti and Natron)
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Hi there,
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Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
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Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
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- Tofo
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Thanks in advance,
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For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
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Best,
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I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
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Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
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From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
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Marrakech
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→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
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We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
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Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
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Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
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Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
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A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
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Thanks!
Hi there,
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Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
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