Le Toubkal le 6 avril 2015
by Provencheres
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bonjour , je souhaite decouvrir IMLIL .LE TOUBKAL et environs 3 ou 4 jours en debut avril 2015 , je suis 1 femme de 56 ans en bonne conditions phisyque , j ai laisse 1 mail au bureau des guides d imlil pr definir 1 programme , avez vous des tuyaus a me donner ? merci
provencheres
Hello, je l'ai fait en octobre dernier sans guides... Quels genres de renseignements?
Si tu le fais pas la voie classique depuis Imlil, ce n'est pas très difficile si tu as le temps... Et en 3 ou 4 jours, c'est bon... Il faut 2 jours normalement...
Donc soit tu as un circuit ou 2 nuits suffisent si tu veux vraiment prendre ton temps... Une nuit à Chamharouch et au refuge... Mais une nuit au refuge est bien largement suffisant...
Les conseils seraient de faire gaffe au climat... Il se peut que tu sois bien gêné par la neige la haut... et je te conseille de louer tes crampons à Imlil où la loc est bien moins cher qu'au refuge (là haut, tous les prix sont très élevés)...
L'ascension ne demande pas de guide pour la montée classique sauf si on a le désir d'avoir des infos sur la montagne, ses gens et son environnement.. si c'est juste pour montrer le chemin, ce n'est pas la peine... il y a toujours du monde à monter et c'est impossible d'être seul. Aucune chance de se perdre...
Pour les guides, renseignes toi d'en avoir un de bien... J'en ai vu des pourtant diplômé prendre des décisions pas trop logiques...
La nuit au refuge peut ne pas être de tout repos, c'est surtout là qu'on peut y perdre gros, car avec une très mauvaise nuit à cette altitude, la dernière montée le lendemain matin peut couter cher au moral et aux jambes 😛
Si tu le fais pas la voie classique depuis Imlil, ce n'est pas très difficile si tu as le temps... Et en 3 ou 4 jours, c'est bon... Il faut 2 jours normalement...
Donc soit tu as un circuit ou 2 nuits suffisent si tu veux vraiment prendre ton temps... Une nuit à Chamharouch et au refuge... Mais une nuit au refuge est bien largement suffisant...
Les conseils seraient de faire gaffe au climat... Il se peut que tu sois bien gêné par la neige la haut... et je te conseille de louer tes crampons à Imlil où la loc est bien moins cher qu'au refuge (là haut, tous les prix sont très élevés)...
L'ascension ne demande pas de guide pour la montée classique sauf si on a le désir d'avoir des infos sur la montagne, ses gens et son environnement.. si c'est juste pour montrer le chemin, ce n'est pas la peine... il y a toujours du monde à monter et c'est impossible d'être seul. Aucune chance de se perdre...
Pour les guides, renseignes toi d'en avoir un de bien... J'en ai vu des pourtant diplômé prendre des décisions pas trop logiques...
La nuit au refuge peut ne pas être de tout repos, c'est surtout là qu'on peut y perdre gros, car avec une très mauvaise nuit à cette altitude, la dernière montée le lendemain matin peut couter cher au moral et aux jambes 😛
Il y a 2 refuges, le refuge des Mouflons est tres grand, quand j'y etais on n'etait que 3 dans un grand dortoir.
Il y a 2 refuges, le refuge des Mouflons est tres grand, quand j'y etais on n'etait que 3 dans un grand dortoir.
BONJOUR merci pr la reponse , ma preocupation est surtout la neige , debut avril ? bien sur c est comme partout, ca varie au fil des annees ! je ne veux pas d une galere mais d 1 rando agreable !!
BONJOUR merci pr la reponse , ma preocupation est surtout la neige , debut avril ? bien sur c est comme partout, ca varie au fil des annees ! je ne veux pas d une galere mais d 1 rando agreable !!
provencheres
Il y a 20 ans je l'ai grimpe fin mai et il y avait encore une partie de glace assez limite. Le vent aussi peut empecher l'ascension.
Il y a 20 ans je l'ai grimpe fin mai et il y avait encore une partie de glace
assez limite. Le vent aussi peut empecher l'ascension.
MERCI O K . DEPUIS QUELQUES ANNEES IL Y A MOINS DE NEIGE UN PEU PARTOUT DANS LE MONDE . CE DEPEND AUSSI DES ANNEES MAIS C EST VRAI QU ON RESTE DEBUT AVRIL ET JE NE SOUHAITE PAS 1 GALERE MAIS DE L AGREABLE.je suis en contact avec le bureau des guides d IMLILet je vais voir ce qu ils me proposent ! merci
assez limite. Le vent aussi peut empecher l'ascension.
MERCI O K . DEPUIS QUELQUES ANNEES IL Y A MOINS DE NEIGE UN PEU PARTOUT DANS LE MONDE . CE DEPEND AUSSI DES ANNEES MAIS C EST VRAI QU ON RESTE DEBUT AVRIL ET JE NE SOUHAITE PAS 1 GALERE MAIS DE L AGREABLE.je suis en contact avec le bureau des guides d IMLILet je vais voir ce qu ils me proposent ! merci
provencheres
Salam,
Je suis actuellement au Maroc et je confirme qu'il a beaucoup neigé cette année y compris à basse altitude et dit-on dans le déser aussi. Je pense être dans le PN du Toubckal également à cette période et suivant les conditions sur place j'envisagerai l'ascension. Inch'allah! Je te donnerai des infos précises quand j'en aurais! :D Comment ca mon message ne sert à rien? ;)
A plus
Stéphane
Salam,
Je suis actuellement au Maroc et je confirme qu'il a beaucoup neigé cette année y compris à basse altitude et dit-on dans le déser aussi. Je pense être dans le PN du Toubckal également à cette période et suivant les conditions sur place j'envisagerai l'ascension. Inch'allah! Je te donnerai des infos précises quand j'en aurais! :D Comment ca mon message ne sert à rien? ;)
A plus
Stéphane
ben je suis en contact avec guide , j attends propositions sur programmme 5 jours seule region tachedirt ouirgane asni le toubkal , je suis 1 novice dans l aventure seule et a 56 ans pas evident en tant que femme au maroc , mon centre d interet c est la montagne !!!mais il n est jamais trop tard pr commencer et j espere avoir envie de continuer apres cette experience !! merci en attendant de tes conseils , bon voyage
ben je suis en contact avec guide , j attends propositions sur programmme 5 jours seule region tachedirt ouirgane asni le toubkal , je suis 1 novice dans l aventure seule et a 56 ans pas evident en tant que femme au maroc , mon centre d interet c est la montagne !!!mais il n est jamais trop tard pr commencer et j espere avoir envie de continuer apres cette experience !! merci en attendant de tes conseils , bon voyage
provencheres
Je planifie aussi une ascension début avril et je suis aussi inquiet pour la neige. Je vois que je ne suis pas le seul !
Il y a encore beaucoup de neige dans les hauteurs actuellement.
Ce qui me fait ch*** c'est qu'il faut prendre l'équipement adéquat déjà d'ici (polaire, veste ...) et pour le poids ça va être pénalisant dans l'avion ...
« Le vrai voyage, c’est d’y aller. Une fois arrivé, le voyage est fini. Aujourd’hui les gens commencent par la fin. »
Hugo Verlomme
BONJOUR oui il faut prendre de l equipement , chercher le plus leger et le plus efficace !!et trouver le bon guide , j ai trouver plusieurs numeros sur le forum et je vais sonder !!!!merci
provencheres
Tu peux aussi acheter ce qu'il faut au premier souk que tu croises, ou encore louer ce dont tu as besoin en discutant avec les gens ou les guides. Bonne marche!
OUI MAINTENANT J AI PAS MAL DE CONSEILS , entre le bureau des guides d imlil et les autres conseilles dans le forum , j ai de quoi faire , je prefere prrendre 1 guide de la region meme, je pense quil connait mieux , avoir 1 bon equipement surtout contre le froid et avoir bonne forme !!!!on verra !! merci
provencheres
bonjour Pronvencheres il est effectivement plutôt conseillé de prendre un guide c'est une bonne chose..
grimper au col du Toubkal n'est pas très difficile mais un guide c'est mieux.
J'étais en avril 2012 dans le Haut Atlas il y avait de la neige au sommet du col du Tachedirt qui est moins élevé que le col du Toubkal..
Par contre pour les autres personnes qui veulent randonner dans le coin attention aux orages violents qui commencent à éclater en cette période. Le conseil que l'on peut donner c'est de partir très tôt le matin vers les 06heures car vers les 16-17heures le temps se gâte considérablement.
C'est à cause de cela que j'ai pas pu aller sur l'Adrar Yagour là dernière fois. A Imlil sans faire de pub l'hôtel Etoile du Toubkal est très sympathique j'ai beaucoup apprécié la décoration traditionnelle des chambres
J'étais en avril 2012 dans le Haut Atlas il y avait de la neige au sommet du col du Tachedirt qui est moins élevé que le col du Toubkal..
Par contre pour les autres personnes qui veulent randonner dans le coin attention aux orages violents qui commencent à éclater en cette période. Le conseil que l'on peut donner c'est de partir très tôt le matin vers les 06heures car vers les 16-17heures le temps se gâte considérablement.
C'est à cause de cela que j'ai pas pu aller sur l'Adrar Yagour là dernière fois. A Imlil sans faire de pub l'hôtel Etoile du Toubkal est très sympathique j'ai beaucoup apprécié la décoration traditionnelle des chambres
Ca donne quoi finalement les guides comme réponse pour la neige ?
« Le vrai voyage, c’est d’y aller. Une fois arrivé, le voyage est fini. Aujourd’hui les gens commencent par la fin. »
Hugo Verlomme
OUI c est bien a cela que je pensais , les conditions meteo en avril !!! merci !!
provencheres
me proposent rando sans parler des conditions meteos , je leur ai bien specifie que je voulais 1 rando et pas 1 galere !! j ai demande coordonnees tel , mieux que par mail et je verrai ca lundi !
provencheres
Tiens-nous au courant 😉
« Le vrai voyage, c’est d’y aller. Une fois arrivé, le voyage est fini. Aujourd’hui les gens commencent par la fin. »
Hugo Verlomme
Bonjour avez vous pu faire l'ascension finalement? De la neige au programme?
« Le vrai voyage, c’est d’y aller. Une fois arrivé, le voyage est fini. Aujourd’hui les gens commencent par la fin. »
Hugo Verlomme
bonjour ;oui le toubkal le 8 et 9 avril ; il y avait de la neige et les crampons etaient utiles ! je viens de revenir ;juste pas pu monter aux gorges du dades ; il y a plus vers le 14 avril et donc le 16 il y avait 1 oued qui passait au dessus de la chaussee juste apres le riad des vieilles charrues ;km 23 environ ;comme j avais prevu ouzoud le lendemain par demnate ;je n ai pas pu faire les gorges du dades ! c est pr la procaine fois au maroc !!!!!!
provencheres
bjr , de skoura a demnate et ensuite ouzoud compter 6 h de route tortueuse et altitude , qq nids de poule mais pas vraiment de probleme , mieux vaut mettre de l essence avant , nous avions un duster 4 x2 mais possible avc autre vehicule
provencheres
Hello Daniel,
J'ai fait la R307 il y a 2 jours (dans le sens Skoura - Demnate). Vu les pluies qui étaient tombées et avaient fait débordé le Dades notamment et qu'il avait encore plu le matin même , j'avais contacté la gendarmerie de Skoura avant de me lancer.
La gendarmerie a répondu que c'était ok mais qu'il fallait un 4x4. Comme nous en avions un, on n'a pas hésité😎
Au final, c'était faisable sans 4x4 malgré quelques passages plus délicats. En tous les cas, cette route est sublime et vaut le détour. Je mettrai des photos dans mon carnet.
A+ Pascale
J'ai fait la R307 il y a 2 jours (dans le sens Skoura - Demnate). Vu les pluies qui étaient tombées et avaient fait débordé le Dades notamment et qu'il avait encore plu le matin même , j'avais contacté la gendarmerie de Skoura avant de me lancer.
La gendarmerie a répondu que c'était ok mais qu'il fallait un 4x4. Comme nous en avions un, on n'a pas hésité😎
Au final, c'était faisable sans 4x4 malgré quelques passages plus délicats. En tous les cas, cette route est sublime et vaut le détour. Je mettrai des photos dans mon carnet.
A+ Pascale
mes carnets de voyages : https://www.myatlas.com/Lofwyra
On a vraiment bien apprécié notre voyage, malgré quelques aventures 🙂
Le Maroc est un pays magnifique, avec des paysages sublimes. Même si nous ne pensons pas y retourner, c'est un pays à voir au moins une fois dans sa vie.
Tous les détails dans mon carnet qui va arriver très vite. J'ai des tonnes de photos 😉
Tous les détails dans mon carnet qui va arriver très vite. J'ai des tonnes de photos 😉
mes carnets de voyages : https://www.myatlas.com/Lofwyra
Je suis contente de voir que vous avez pu prendre la 307 et apprécier cette fabuleuse route . On attends les photos .
Hannah
Hannah
Que se vuelva la tortilla
FABULEUSES RENCONTRES .INCROYABLE GENTILLESSE .j ai sejourne a l auberge zarasoustra a imlil la premiere semaine . J AI SYMPATHISE TOUT DE SUITE AVEC LES AUBERGISTES ET CA M A PERMIS DE VISITER DES TAS D ENDROITS ET DE BOIRE LE THE CHEZ L HABITANT DANS CES PETITS VILLAGES .D APPRENDRE BCP DE CHOSES ..ETC JE SERAI BREVE CAR je suis tres occupee par des demarches suite au deces de ma maman a la fin de mon sejour .JE SUIS RENTREE A TEMPSPR LES OBSEQUES mais 91 ans et de gros ennuis de sante engendrant des souffrances.......a bientot pr les photos merci de votre petit mot
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We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots? Thanks in advance for your tips. We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries! Claire and Albert
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots? Thanks in advance for your tips. We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries! Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
Spots where we could pitch the tent near a stream
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
Hi there,
I’m looking for half-day hikes near Karakol (not Jety-Oguz, since I’ll be heading there separately—max 30 minutes’ drive to the trailhead).
I can find longer treks, but nothing for a short outing!
So, if you’ve got any ideas...
Thanks! :)
I’m looking for half-day hikes near Karakol (not Jety-Oguz, since I’ll be heading there separately—max 30 minutes’ drive to the trailhead).
I can find longer treks, but nothing for a short outing!
So, if you’ve got any ideas...
Thanks! :)
Hi everyone,
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro