Train des nuages de Salta à San Antonio de los Cobres en Argentine
by Maritebe
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Je voudrais prendre le train des nuages de Salta à San antonio de los Corbes au mois de mars :combien de temps pour le voyage ? est-ce plus interressant que par la route ? Doit-on retenir à l'avance ? Nous sommes un groupe de séniors , pas "routards" .Merci d'avance .
maritebe
Bonjour,
Malheureusement le train aux nuages ne circule plus au mois de mars en raison des pluies et donc des éboulements qui ont lieu sur la voie. En saison normale, il part de Salta à 7h du matin et revient à 22 heures. On organise bien sûr des excursions qui longent la ligne du train jusque Santa rosa de tastil où il n'est plus visible jusque Muñano. On le retrouve ensuite jusque San Antonio. De san antonio, il y a différentes possibilités d'excursions, notamment, aller voir La Polvorilla (le viaduc qu'on voit sur les cartes postales et terminus du train touristique). Ces excursions ont lieu le plus souvent en groupe mais comme vous êtes plusieurs, le prix de cette excursion est presque le même si vous la faîtes en PRIVE, ce qui vous permet de gérer les arrêts comme bon vous semble et d'organiser les suites de l'excursion selon vos propres envies. Fsisant ce trajet depuis maintenant près de 4 ans, je commence à le connaître assez bien alors n'hésitez pas à me contacter si vous voulez le moindre renseignement.
A bientôt
Saltamania
www.notre-amerique-latine.com
Malheureusement le train aux nuages ne circule plus au mois de mars en raison des pluies et donc des éboulements qui ont lieu sur la voie. En saison normale, il part de Salta à 7h du matin et revient à 22 heures. On organise bien sûr des excursions qui longent la ligne du train jusque Santa rosa de tastil où il n'est plus visible jusque Muñano. On le retrouve ensuite jusque San Antonio. De san antonio, il y a différentes possibilités d'excursions, notamment, aller voir La Polvorilla (le viaduc qu'on voit sur les cartes postales et terminus du train touristique). Ces excursions ont lieu le plus souvent en groupe mais comme vous êtes plusieurs, le prix de cette excursion est presque le même si vous la faîtes en PRIVE, ce qui vous permet de gérer les arrêts comme bon vous semble et d'organiser les suites de l'excursion selon vos propres envies. Fsisant ce trajet depuis maintenant près de 4 ans, je commence à le connaître assez bien alors n'hésitez pas à me contacter si vous voulez le moindre renseignement.
A bientôt
Saltamania
www.notre-amerique-latine.com
une vie exceptionnelle perdu au milieu des Andes. De France ou d'Argentine, n'hésitez pas à me contacter, c'est avec plaisir.
A bientôt sur ces terres magnifiques du Nord Ouest Argentin.
Grand Merci . Notre agent nous le proposait !!Je vais l'annuler . Nous ferons donc le trajet par la route comme convenu au début.Combien de temps pour San Antonio approximativement ? Il est prévu de s'arrêter à Santa Rosa de Tastil , puis s'approcher des Salinas Grandes et d'arriver pour une nuit à Purmamarca .Qu'en pensez-vous ?
maritebe
Cette excursion prévoit effectivement la visite des Ruines de Tastil (à vrai dire, ils se pourrait qu'elles ferment elles aussi cette année pour une exploration des lieux. On attend ca ici depuis 1987!!!). Demande bien le temps sur place car la grande majorité des agences te font faire le tour en 20-30 minutes seulement.
Vous pouvez effectivement repartir de San Antonio sur les Salines et dormir à Purmamarca. Dans ce cas-là, vous verrez pas La Polvorilla. La route est pénible sur cet axe, surtout si le véhicule est de grand gabari. Et si on vous propose cette option dans cette excursion, refusez-là!!!
Le paysage est par contre très dépaysant et malgré la lourdeur, tous les touristes que j'ai accompagnés là haut considèrent ca comme une bonne expérience. On ne va pas tous les jours au toit des Andes.
Pour arriver à San Antonio depuis Salta, comptez 4-5 heures avec les arrêts.
La nuit st valable pour Purmamarca si vous décidez de remonter vers le nord. Je vous dis de suite que les excursions traditionnelles vers cette quebrada de Humahuaca sont assez mal faîtes et souvent très touristiques. Selon le nombre de jours que vous avez, il peut être préférable de rentrer sur Salta ( deux heures de plus) pour pouvoir enchaîner le lendemain une boucle vers le sud.
Autre point, peu d'agence propose cette excursion en commencant par Purmamarca et pourtant elle est plus intéressante car vous verrez Purmamarca et sa montagne aux 7 couleurs sous le soleil (pas le cas si vous le faîtes en dernier) et la route San Antonio Salta est plus époustouflante en fin de journée.
Bonne préparation et n'hésitez pas
A bientôt
Saltamania
www.notre-amerique-latine.com
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une vie exceptionnelle perdu au milieu des Andes. De France ou d'Argentine, n'hésitez pas à me contacter, c'est avec plaisir.
A bientôt sur ces terres magnifiques du Nord Ouest Argentin.
Quelle chance j'ai de tomber sur un spécialiste de la région !Nous sommes 8 séniors et le NOA est notre dernière région à visiter après Iguazu et les glaciers . Après Purmamarca , Tilcara et évidemment Humahuaca, et arrivée à Iruya où nous passons la nuit puis descente sur Salta . Nous envisagerions de passer un jour entier en libre à Salta . Nous pourrions alors vous contacter pour des excursions (marches pour certains )possibles dans la région si vous êtes là (du 15 mars au 20/21mars)
Merci encore de vos "lumières" . Cordialement .Maritebe
Merci encore de vos "lumières" . Cordialement .Maritebe
maritebe
Bonjour!
A mon avis, ce n'est pas le meilleur choix que d'envisager le train des nuages, même si le parcours est sublime. La sécurité de fonctionnement y est relative et les pannes peuvent survenir....une nuit entière passée à 4200m d'altitude , ce n'est pas le top..., sans manger et sans boire...C'est déjà arrivé et parait-il, les mesures de sécurité n'ont pas pour autant été prises. De plus, en mars, il commence à fraichir..;surtout la nuit. De plus un prix et une durée exhorbitants Je vous conseille plutôt d'opter pour le parcours par la route, soit en louant un véhicule, soit , encore mieux, en prenant une voiture avec chauffeur . De ce point de vue, et quelle que soit ce que vous voulez faire, je vous propose de contacter Sébastien, un super sympa français, installé à Salta qui se mettra en 4 pour vous aider à choisir et à réaliser ce que vous déciderez de faire. Je vous donne son mail: saltafrancia@gmail.com. Vous pouvez lui faire une confiance absolue. Il a un site également très chouette que vous pouvez visiter: www.notre-amerique-latine.com Si vous avez besoin d'hotels dans la région, je peux vous en indiquer, notamment sur Salta avec l'hostal del Cerro, pas cher, propre avec un accueil extra et tout près du terminal de bus. Si vous voulez je vous donne les coordonnées:
HOSTAL DEL CERRO
Sante Fe 456
hostaldelcerro@hotmail.com
http://www.hostaldelcerro.8k.com
0387 431 8572
0387 422 1726
Hotel où je réside qd je suis à Salta ( amie)
D'ailleurs, si vous y passez on s'y retrouvera car j'y serai dans la 2ème quinzaine de mars. Si vous êtes intéressés par d'autres hotels sur Susques... ou même dormir dans une école ( celle de Puesto Sey) avec une participation pas cher et le spectacle musical des enfants qui sont particulièrement doués et vous feront gouter la culture des andes. Sébastien vous en parlera surement. C'est une rencontre humaine extraordinaire qui dépasse largement toutes les sensations de frayeur avec le train...En clair, si vous avez besoin , je suis également prête à vous donner plus d'info, mais le plus simple est de contacter notre ami local!
A mon avis, ce n'est pas le meilleur choix que d'envisager le train des nuages, même si le parcours est sublime. La sécurité de fonctionnement y est relative et les pannes peuvent survenir....une nuit entière passée à 4200m d'altitude , ce n'est pas le top..., sans manger et sans boire...C'est déjà arrivé et parait-il, les mesures de sécurité n'ont pas pour autant été prises. De plus, en mars, il commence à fraichir..;surtout la nuit. De plus un prix et une durée exhorbitants Je vous conseille plutôt d'opter pour le parcours par la route, soit en louant un véhicule, soit , encore mieux, en prenant une voiture avec chauffeur . De ce point de vue, et quelle que soit ce que vous voulez faire, je vous propose de contacter Sébastien, un super sympa français, installé à Salta qui se mettra en 4 pour vous aider à choisir et à réaliser ce que vous déciderez de faire. Je vous donne son mail: saltafrancia@gmail.com. Vous pouvez lui faire une confiance absolue. Il a un site également très chouette que vous pouvez visiter: www.notre-amerique-latine.com Si vous avez besoin d'hotels dans la région, je peux vous en indiquer, notamment sur Salta avec l'hostal del Cerro, pas cher, propre avec un accueil extra et tout près du terminal de bus. Si vous voulez je vous donne les coordonnées:
HOSTAL DEL CERRO
Sante Fe 456
hostaldelcerro@hotmail.com
http://www.hostaldelcerro.8k.com
0387 431 8572
0387 422 1726
Hotel où je réside qd je suis à Salta ( amie)
D'ailleurs, si vous y passez on s'y retrouvera car j'y serai dans la 2ème quinzaine de mars. Si vous êtes intéressés par d'autres hotels sur Susques... ou même dormir dans une école ( celle de Puesto Sey) avec une participation pas cher et le spectacle musical des enfants qui sont particulièrement doués et vous feront gouter la culture des andes. Sébastien vous en parlera surement. C'est une rencontre humaine extraordinaire qui dépasse largement toutes les sensations de frayeur avec le train...En clair, si vous avez besoin , je suis également prête à vous donner plus d'info, mais le plus simple est de contacter notre ami local!
Nicole
Asso. Les Enfants d'Atacama (aide à la scolarisation dans les Andes Argentines- Prov. de Jujuy: San Juan de Quillaques; Puesto Sey et Huachichocana
Les sites pour jeter un oeil:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/fal83
http://brondy.free.fr
Merci de votre avis . J'avais déjà envisagé de ne pas faire le train des nuages sur les conseils de ...Sébastien ! C'est bien d'en avoir plusieurs qui vous confortent dans votre décision . Nous contacterons certainement Sébastien quand nous serons à Salta .
merci encore et Bonne Année. Maritebe
maritebe
Bon alors pas de souci...les avis sont les mêmes! ils ont donc une chance d'être pleins de bon sens!
Meilleurs voeux pour toi aussi et ceux qui te sont chers
Que les fêtes de fin d'année soient pleine de liesse sur ta belle île!
Nicole
Asso. Les Enfants d'Atacama (aide à la scolarisation dans les Andes Argentines- Prov. de Jujuy: San Juan de Quillaques; Puesto Sey et Huachichocana
Les sites pour jeter un oeil:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/fal83
http://brondy.free.fr
Effectivement, le train des nuages est un paradoxe car il est fortement déconseillé à tout touriste lambda mais fortement conseillé aux amoureux des chemins de fer. Cela dit, il est plus intéressant et plus sûr (en terme de temps) de faire l'excursion équivalente en voiture. En 2005, il y a eu près de 400 personnes bloquées en plein hiver entre San Antonio et la Polvorilla ; ils n'ont été sortis du train qu'au milieu de la nuit.
Pour être plus global et concernant votre voyage, il faut voir l'ensemble des prestation que vous avez afin de déterminer quelle serait l'excursion la plus adéquate. Il y a bien d'autre jolis coins à Salta qui méritent aussi le détour.
J'ai beaucoup de temps libre depuis quelques mois et si vous le souhaitez, je peux jeter un coup d'œil à ce que l'on vous propose en ce moment avant que vous ne retourniez voir vos différents prestataires de services. Vous pouvez m'envoyer votre projet actuel par message privé ou par courriel, il y a plus de chance que je le vois rapidement que par le forum. Mon courriel est le suivant: loic_jarrousse@yahoo.fr.
Bon voyage et Bonne continuation. Loïc.
Pour être plus global et concernant votre voyage, il faut voir l'ensemble des prestation que vous avez afin de déterminer quelle serait l'excursion la plus adéquate. Il y a bien d'autre jolis coins à Salta qui méritent aussi le détour.
J'ai beaucoup de temps libre depuis quelques mois et si vous le souhaitez, je peux jeter un coup d'œil à ce que l'on vous propose en ce moment avant que vous ne retourniez voir vos différents prestataires de services. Vous pouvez m'envoyer votre projet actuel par message privé ou par courriel, il y a plus de chance que je le vois rapidement que par le forum. Mon courriel est le suivant: loic_jarrousse@yahoo.fr.
Bon voyage et Bonne continuation. Loïc.
Juste une expérience de plus s'il en était besoin, j'ai visité cette région en début d'année sur les conseils de Sébastien que j'ai rencontré sur place après avoir profité de ses conseils par le forum et je ne peux que vous recommander vivement de le consulter et de le suivre.
Bon voyage.
Paul
"Je réponds ordinairement à ceux qui me demandent raison de mes voyages que je sais bien ce que je fuis, mais non pas ce que je cherche."
Montaigne, essais.
Que dire de plus... effectivement !!
Pas eu le temps de te contacter apres notre magnifique ballade avec toi !!!
De bons souvenirs, des paysages, pleins les yeux et en meme temps on apprend beaucoup de choses... dommage que ma tete soit si petite pour tout retenir !!
(hors sujet : la pluie parisienne est bien plus triste que la pluie andine t avais raison !)
(hors sujet : la pluie parisienne est bien plus triste que la pluie andine t avais raison !)
Bonjour à vous tous et un grand merci pour vos messages.
ce fut également un plaisir pour moi aussi de vous accompagner dans ce fabuleux monde qu'est la Cordillères des Andes. Le spectacle et c'est toujours une joie de voir les yeux des touristes (et les miens encore aujourd'hui) se remplir d'émotion face à cette immensité. Merci aussi à toi paul, le voyageur philosophe que je connais peu enfin de compte mais dont j'ai apprécié l'ouverture d'esprit, l'envie de découverte et la curiosité constructive. pour nicole, je ne vais pas m'attarder car tu sais ce que je pense de toi. Même si tu n'aimes pas qu'on le dise, c'est juste une sorte d'admiration que j'ai pour toi. Et notre petit Lucita, comment va-t-elle?
Je vous salue tous. Encore merci pour tous ces moments et à bientôt j'espère.
PS : ici, la pluie andine fait des siennes et les déluges commencent.
saltamania (Sébastien)
www.notre-amerique-latine.com
ce fut également un plaisir pour moi aussi de vous accompagner dans ce fabuleux monde qu'est la Cordillères des Andes. Le spectacle et c'est toujours une joie de voir les yeux des touristes (et les miens encore aujourd'hui) se remplir d'émotion face à cette immensité. Merci aussi à toi paul, le voyageur philosophe que je connais peu enfin de compte mais dont j'ai apprécié l'ouverture d'esprit, l'envie de découverte et la curiosité constructive. pour nicole, je ne vais pas m'attarder car tu sais ce que je pense de toi. Même si tu n'aimes pas qu'on le dise, c'est juste une sorte d'admiration que j'ai pour toi. Et notre petit Lucita, comment va-t-elle?
Je vous salue tous. Encore merci pour tous ces moments et à bientôt j'espère.
PS : ici, la pluie andine fait des siennes et les déluges commencent.
saltamania (Sébastien)
www.notre-amerique-latine.com
une vie exceptionnelle perdu au milieu des Andes. De France ou d'Argentine, n'hésitez pas à me contacter, c'est avec plaisir.
A bientôt sur ces terres magnifiques du Nord Ouest Argentin.
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So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Below is our draft itinerary (with questions at each stop):
29/11: France → Colombia. Overnight in Bogotá. 30/11: Exploring Bogotá: La Candelaria and Montserrate. 01/12: Gold Museum (closed on Mondays). Drive to Zipaquirá (1.5 hrs) to visit the Salt Cathedral. Then drive to Villa de Leyva (3 hrs). Explore the town. Overnight in Villa de Leyva. 02/12: Return to Bogotá via Laguna de Guatavita (5 hrs). Is it worth the detour? Overnight in Bogotá. 03/12: Flight to Pereira. Drive to Salento. Overnight in Salento. 04/12: Cocora Valley (hike among the wax palms) followed by a drive around the area. Are there any waterfalls or other sights nearby? 05/12: Visit a coffee finca—any recommendations? Then explore the surroundings: Filandia, Manizales, waterfalls? Hot springs? Which ones? 06/12: Flight to Medellín. 07/12: Exploring Medellín: Centro, Plaza Botero, Comuna 13. How do you visit Comuna 13? Is it easy to get around Medellín? Metro? Buses? 08/12: Drive to Guatapé (2 hrs). Visit the town, stroll around the lake, then El Peñol. Overnight in Guatapé. 09/12: Return to Medellín. 10/12: Flight to Santa Marta. Drive to a hotel near Tayrona Park. 11/12: Tayrona—El Zaino entrance. 12/12: Tayrona—Palangana entrance, then Bahia Concha and Santa Marta. What do you think? 13/12: Drive to Minca (45 mins). Can we reach the village by car? Pozo Azul and Marinka waterfalls. Overnight in Minca (or back in Tayrona?). 14/12: Drive to Puerto Nao (5 hrs). Stop in Ciénaga on the way + boat tour in Nueva Venecia and/or Buena Vista? Not enough time? Overnight in Puerto Nao. 15/12: Exploring Cartagena: Centro, Getsemaní, the walls + La Boquilla if we have time. 16/12: La Boquilla (is it really worth it?) if we didn’t have time yesterday, then back to the beach. 17/12: Return to France.
So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Hi there, I’ll be in Brazil from December 10th to the end of February.
I’ve sketched out a rough itinerary but I’m not sure how to arrange it—considering the climate, year-end holidays, and Carnival.
Basically, I’m thinking of the Amazon, the Northeast coast with Lençóis Maranhenses National Park (but skipping Chapada Diamantina),
Ouro Preto, Paraty, and Ilha Grande—but no Rio visit.
Is this doable in 3 months?
Which direction should I take for this itinerary?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone, does anyone know the agency Ventura Travel Agency (not ventura travel)? After lots of research and quotes, it’s the only one offering Uyuni at a reasonable price while meeting all the criteria: transfer to the border, private-room accommodation, and a very fair rate. Other agencies or guides either offer shared rooms, no border transfer, or prices that are way too high. But I’d love to hear some reviews about this agency. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
We're planning a trip to Chile to visit the Atacama Desert and then head toward Putre, Lauca, Salar de Surire, etc.
Which would be the better time to go, April or November?
Is an SUV enough?
Looking forward to your tips!
Hi, I'm looking for a local agency in Uyuni to do the trip and tours from Uyuni to San Pedro de Atacama. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Hi there,
Could you recommend any car rental agencies in Calama and Punta Arenas? Best regards,
Could you recommend any car rental agencies in Calama and Punta Arenas? Best regards,
Hi everyone, French travelers in Chile—what credit cards do you use for your various car rentals in the country? I’m traveling in September and was planning to switch my regular debit card (a VISA PREMIER in deferred debit mode) for the deposit guarantee.
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
Hi everyone, is it still possible to travel in Ecuador outside the Amazon region? If so, do you have a reliable agency to recommend? All your recent experiences from the past few months would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much
Hi,
We’re heading to Buenos Aires for 3 days in November and would like to do a guided tour of a few neighborhoods. There are "free" tours, but none in French. Does anyone have a guide to recommend so we can really get to know the city beyond just the architecture?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri





