Merci de vos conseils (hotels pas chers et tout et tout)
Trois semaines en Turquie en octobre
by Balafalagong
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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J'ai 3 semaines en octobre avec arrivée a Istanbul
Pour l'instant je me dirige plus vers la cappadoce et l'Anatolie occidentale (Sanli Urfa, Van et son lac, Erzurum ........) est il possible d'aller dans ces coins la sans risque ??
Quels sont les coins sympas a faire dans ces regions ??
Et pi en fait quels sont les coins à faire tout court ??
Merci de vos conseils (hotels pas chers et tout et tout)
Merci de vos conseils (hotels pas chers et tout et tout)
Je crois au pouvoir du rire et des larmes comme contrepoison de la haine et de la terreur (Charlie Chaplin)
Bonsoir,
Pas de risques particuliers ; en tous cas moins qu'à Amiens...
Michel
Pas de risques particuliers ; en tous cas moins qu'à Amiens...
Michel
La région que tu dis (Sanliurfa, Van etc.) est l'Anatolie orientale pas occidentale. Aucun risque, après la Cappadoce fais un tour de l'est concernant Erzurum, Kars (Ani la vieille capitale arménienne), Dogubayazit ( palais d'Ishakpasa), Van, Sanliurfa, Mardin, Adiyaman (mont Nemrut) . Tu aimeras beaucoup.
Yavuz..
slt!!!
aucun risk en turki et la cappadoe c merveilleux...
aucun risk en turki et la cappadoe c merveilleux...
wi bien sur je parle de l'anatolie orientale....Toutes ces villes que tu cite sont sur mon itineraire et j'espere pouvoir profiter de mes 3 semaines pour ne pas trop survoler ces regions. Tu crois que j'aurais le temps??
Des coups de coeurs particuliers ? (hotels restos...etc)
Des coups de coeurs particuliers ? (hotels restos...etc)
Je crois au pouvoir du rire et des larmes comme contrepoison de la haine et de la terreur (Charlie Chaplin)
Resalut ! Voici un program de 18 nuits mais à toute vitesse, je te laisse 3 nuits libres puis que tu organises tes arrivées et départs. Icı on fait des trajets de bus (confortable )en nuit pour les longues distances mais pour la 1ère fois je te conseille de prendre l'avion Istanbul-Erzurum. (env. 50 eur.)
Istanbul 3 jours 2 nuits, Erzurum 1n.(centre de ski en même temps) arts islamiques, Kars (Ani la vieille capitale arménienne) 1n., Dogubayazit (palais d'Ishakpacha et le 2e grand trou d'un météor 1n., Continues à Van (la civilisation ourartéenne vers 4000 ans et le beau lac aussi grand qu'une mer presque) 2n., Diyarbakir (les murailles de la ville 2e après celles de Chine et monuments islamiques ) 2n., Mardin (ville des syriaques, architecture très spécifiée et les monastères ) 2n., Sanliurfa-Harran (ville des prophètes, le lac sacré et les maisons coniques) 2n., Adiyaman-Kahta (mont Nemrut -les statues des dieux et le tumulus du roi Kommagène pas ouvert encore au sommet de la mnt.) 1n., Nevsehir (Cappadoce avec tous les villages et la vallée d'Ihlara) 2n., Yozgat (Bogazkale-Alacahoyuk ) Hittite les indigènes de l'Anatolie grâce à eux on connait l'histoire de 4000 ans 1 ou 2n., Amasya ( ville des princes ottomans, très jolie avec l'architecture des vieilles maisons ottomanes, les tombs excavés sur la montagne) 1n.
Puis avec un trajet de nuit en bus tu te rendras à Istanbul pour ton retour. Entre toutes les villes tu peux trouver facilement des bus ou minibus (villages). A qui tu demandes un renseignement certes on t'aidera à l'instant. Voilà qqes. hôtels ; Adiyaman-Kahta Hotel Zeus www.zeushotel.com.tr, VAN Hôtel Yakut +90 432 214 28 32 fax : +90 432 216 63 51 .
Notes cette phrase : '' UCUZ VE TEMIZ BIR OTEL-PANSIYON ARIYORUM '' c-à dire je cherche un hôtel-pension propre et bonmarché. Tu peux toujours m'adresser.
Yavuz...
C'est un rythme d'enfer...
Michel
Michel
Lorsequ'il considère effectuer le maximum avec la moindre dépense donc il devrait supporter un peu la fatigue.
Moi en 2002 à la fin de mes cours de guide avec l'organisation du ministère de tourisme on avait fait 10.000 km dans 21 jours.🏴☠️
Moi en 2002 à la fin de mes cours de guide avec l'organisation du ministère de tourisme on avait fait 10.000 km dans 21 jours.🏴☠️
Certes, mais dans certains endroit il faut rester un peu de temps, juste pour comprendre l'endroit : un aller retour à pied à Ishak pasha, une balade de l'après-midi à la citadelle de Kars.... Rien à voir avec une histoire de fatigue, juste un souhait de ne pas se la jouer japonaise !
Michel
Michel
Alors, toi étant un spécialiste conseilles-lui d'enlever qqs. endroits de son itinéraire . Mais lesquels ? Pourrais-tu réflechir facilement ? Tu connais bien les beautés de ce pays.🤪
Yavuz.
Yavuz.
Par exemple je ne vois pas comment tu peux lui dire : Erzurum... Kars... Une nuit.... Dogubeyazit... une nuit...
Il faut bien 4 heures pour faire Erzurum-Kars.... Et pareil pour aller à Dogu... Sachant qu'on ne trouve pas forcément un bus dans les 5 minutes, il ne fera que du trajet...
Michel
Il faut bien 4 heures pour faire Erzurum-Kars.... Et pareil pour aller à Dogu... Sachant qu'on ne trouve pas forcément un bus dans les 5 minutes, il ne fera que du trajet...
Michel
Non, Erzurum-Kars 209 km. et 2h30. Constatons qu'is se rende vers midi et lui reste tout l'après-midi à visiter Ani et la ville, il dort la nuit et le lendemain vers Dogubayazit à peu près même distance. ??
Ouais..... Ce sont des midibus... Ils font des arrêts un peu partout, et ils mettent plus que ce que tu dis pour faire Erzurum-Kars, j'en sais qeulque chose 😏...
Arriver en début d'après midi à Kars pour aller sur le champ à Ani et revenir voir la citadelle et visiter la ville ?.... Je ne sais si tu peux faire ça, mais moi je ne peux pas.
C'est long d'aller à Dogubeyazit, et il faut prendre un domus à Igdir, qui part quand il est plein.
Michel
Michel
Es-tu au courant que Balafalagong(que c long) ne s'intéresse pas de nos discussions 😠.
Oui, mais la discussion est publique, et elle sert à d'autres.
Michel
Michel
Et en plus s'il fait pas Istanbul-Erzurum par avion ce sera impossible d'effectuer dans 20 jours.
D'après moi qu'il fasse cette fois-ci seulement Istanbul et l'est, la prochaine fois la Cappadoce avec la riviera turque. Est-ce pas logique ?
Yavuz..
Ah là je suis d'accord ; il peut prendre l'avion sur Istanbul-Erzurum et revenir depuis Diyarbakir, ou Malatya, Mardin ou autre ville.... Et là il a le temps de voir les choses!
Michem
Michem
Conclusion des juges : Balafalagong, tu fais comme itinéraire notre dernière décision sur ton tour plan.🙂
Yavuz..
Yavuz..
Merci pour ce mini debat sur mon eventuel trajet..🙂 et pardon pour ma participation tardive
Merci Yavuz pr le infos precises
En fait j'aime beaucoup les voyages en train en general et je pense donc aller direct vers erzurum. J'ai l'intention donc de passer un minimum de temps sur Istanbul ou je reviendrai specialement. Peut etre aussi que les regions frontalieres (sanli urfa, mardin ...) seront deconseillées à l'ambassade et donc rayées du parcours ce qui soulagera le trajet car j'ai pas envie de me la jouer à la " japonaise" comme le dit tatra.
Merci de vos infos je vous tient au courant au fil du parcours pr des infos fraiches
Salut
Merci Yavuz pr le infos precises
En fait j'aime beaucoup les voyages en train en general et je pense donc aller direct vers erzurum. J'ai l'intention donc de passer un minimum de temps sur Istanbul ou je reviendrai specialement. Peut etre aussi que les regions frontalieres (sanli urfa, mardin ...) seront deconseillées à l'ambassade et donc rayées du parcours ce qui soulagera le trajet car j'ai pas envie de me la jouer à la " japonaise" comme le dit tatra.
Merci de vos infos je vous tient au courant au fil du parcours pr des infos fraiches
Salut
Je crois au pouvoir du rire et des larmes comme contrepoison de la haine et de la terreur (Charlie Chaplin)
N'écoute pas l'ambassade.
Michel
Michel
Je reviesn justement de 3 semaines en Turquie:1 semaine à Istanbul et 2 autres en Cappadoce entre Avanaos et Güzelyurt. J'ai fait mes trajets la plupart du temps solo, idem pour les randos et tout s'est très bien passé...
Je peux t'assurer que tu aurais plus de risques de passer une nuit dans certains coins de Boulogne/mer que 3 semaines là-bas !
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Two accessible spots: Valbona and Theth. In both cases, local travel agencies in Shkoder or online offer round-trip or one-way access packages. Super handy, especially for Valbona.
Valbona and Theth are both very steep! There aren’t many easy hikes for less sporty folks (like me!).
Valbona: The highlight is the amazing 2.5-hour boat ride across Lake Koman. There are day trips from Shkoder, but you’ll only get a short tour of the lake. The best option is to do the full crossing—so spend a night in Valbona (or two if you want to hike in the valley) and return.
Theth is deeply nestled in the mountains. The village at the end of the valley, which is a dead end, has lots of hotels, but they’re pricey. Other hostels are scattered along the mountainside road, but it’s a steep climb down to the village or to the start of the two easy hikes (waterfalls and the Blue Eye). For us, it was a one-hour descent (and ascent!). It’s fine if you have a car; otherwise, keep an eye out for a taxi (cheap) or try hitchhiking—it works really well. Access from Shkoder to Theth is through an agency. The road is in great condition, and you can also rent a car for 2-3 days in Shkoder. If we did it again, that’s the option we’d choose.
We didn’t do the trek and returned to Shkoder each time. I can’t speak to its difficulty, but we were there in late May, and even experienced hikers had given up because of heavy rain and snow.
Hope this helps! It’s a stunning region you shouldn’t miss.
A good starting point is Shkoder, a really pleasant city. You can easily explore Shkoder itself in a day or two.
Two accessible spots: Valbona and Theth. In both cases, local travel agencies in Shkoder or online offer round-trip or one-way access packages. Super handy, especially for Valbona.
Valbona and Theth are both very steep! There aren’t many easy hikes for less sporty folks (like me!).
Valbona: The highlight is the amazing 2.5-hour boat ride across Lake Koman. There are day trips from Shkoder, but you’ll only get a short tour of the lake. The best option is to do the full crossing—so spend a night in Valbona (or two if you want to hike in the valley) and return.
Theth is deeply nestled in the mountains. The village at the end of the valley, which is a dead end, has lots of hotels, but they’re pricey. Other hostels are scattered along the mountainside road, but it’s a steep climb down to the village or to the start of the two easy hikes (waterfalls and the Blue Eye). For us, it was a one-hour descent (and ascent!). It’s fine if you have a car; otherwise, keep an eye out for a taxi (cheap) or try hitchhiking—it works really well. Access from Shkoder to Theth is through an agency. The road is in great condition, and you can also rent a car for 2-3 days in Shkoder. If we did it again, that’s the option we’d choose.
We didn’t do the trek and returned to Shkoder each time. I can’t speak to its difficulty, but we were there in late May, and even experienced hikers had given up because of heavy rain and snow.
Hope this helps! It’s a stunning region you shouldn’t miss.
We’re a Canadian couple, both 77, and we’re already planning our vacation for fall 2027.
Timeframe: mid-September to mid-October... dates are flexible, and we might stay even longer.
Initially, I had planned this itinerary:
Athens (3), Naxos (4), Paros (4), Santorini (4), then a flight to Istanbul (7–10 days!!). This would let us maximize our flights and experience another culture.
That’s a lot of ferries, though... I’ve already cut out Milos.
Our second option would be to stay 2 x 15 days on two different islands, but I’d still keep Istanbul as our next destination... or maybe 30 days on one island that offers the chance to take day trips to other islands where the ferry ride is no more than 2 to 2.5 hours. For example, Naxos to Paros only takes 30 minutes. We could return the same evening or stay overnight.
Naxos seems like the best option!!!
For Istanbul, of course we want to do a day cruise on the Bosphorus and see Hagia Sophia. If we stay 6–7 days, what would be the other main attractions? Are there any points of interest we can reach by local bus?
Our second option would be to stay 2 x 15 days on two different islands, but I’d still keep Istanbul as our next destination... or maybe 30 days on one island that offers the chance to take day trips to other islands where the ferry ride is no more than 2 to 2.5 hours. For example, Naxos to Paros only takes 30 minutes. We could return the same evening or stay overnight.
Naxos seems like the best option!!!
For Istanbul, of course we want to do a day cruise on the Bosphorus and see Hagia Sophia. If we stay 6–7 days, what would be the other main attractions? Are there any points of interest we can reach by local bus?
Hi there!
We bought our tickets to Greece at the end of November 2025, and let’s just say the geopolitical climate has really taken a turn since then with the war started by the United States against Iran. Not to mention all the other conflicts happening around the world 😕... Anyway!
Our flight from Montreal is on May 1st, and I was wondering how things are currently being experienced in Greece.
We were planning to rent a car and had already booked accommodations on three Cyclades islands!!
The oil shortage is also worrying us...
If you could share some insights on this, that would be great!
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
A little trip report from an 11-day journey to Albania at the end of April 2026, with two friends in their early sixties and beyond...
Our route: Berat, Gjirokastër, Himarë, Tirana
Here are some opinions, tips, and great deals to share:
Flight Round-trip Beauvais-Tirana: Ryanair, 260 € with checked baggage (20 kg) and seat selection. Flight was fine and on time. 2h 30min flight.
Exchange: 1 € was worth 95 lek in April 2026. We were advised to exchange in the airport hall at the Illiria counter (98 lek outside the security zone), saying we wouldn’t find a better rate. However, the exchange rate was 93 lek for 1 euro, while in the city it was 95...
Car rental at Tirana airport for 9 days via Booking.com: 144 € (56 € for the car rental and 88 € for optional full insurance deductible waiver).
Wheego agency: the car was fine, but be careful when signing the contract—they tried to convince us that the insurance taken through Booking didn’t cover everything and insisted we take their own insurance for 250 €... We refused.
After reading about driving in Tirana, instead of starting our trip by visiting the capital, we decided to head straight to Berat upon arrival and return the car at the end of the trip to explore the city on foot. This turned out to be a great choice!
Accommodations: All our stays were booked via Booking.com. Everyone prefers to be paid in euros and in cash—they mention this when booking.
Berat: 2-hour drive from the airport.
Accommodation: Vila Arben Elezi: 135 € for 3 nights with breakfast and private parking. The room was decent and clean but a bit dark, located slightly below ground level near the parking. However, the breakfast on the rooftop was excellent, especially with the stunning view of the "city of a thousand windows." Great location.
Berat was our favorite—there are lovely walks through the different neighborhoods on both sides of the river, each with a very different vibe. The citadel visit is also fascinating, as it’s like a small town within the fortress.
The walk along the river is pleasant, with plenty of restaurant choices. Other restaurants in the old town are also very nice. The White House Restaurant, on the first floor along the road, is good and offers a great view of the Gorica district.
Gjirokastër:
Accommodation: Te Ajdini Guest House: 120 € for 3 nights with breakfast. A private home stay. There’s free parking just before entering the city, a 5-minute walk from the accommodation, which is very convenient since the cobblestone streets are narrow and parking is tricky. Yes, it’s a climb to get to the place, but everything in this city is uphill... The room was bright and clean. Breakfast was very good, hearty, and served in the courtyard with a view of the castle. The guesthouse is a 5-minute walk from the city center (the bazaar) but in a quiet area.
Restaurants: Rrapi and Kujtimi—good and affordable with their little pergolas.
The old town of Gjirokastër is charming but very touristy, with streets packed with souvenir shops and restaurant tables and chairs. Lots of people.
-The bunker visit (near the tourist office) is very interesting: Cold War Tunnel.
The castle offers a beautiful view of the city.
-Visit to the Ottoman house Skenduli: very well done. Don’t forget to climb the ladder facing a trapdoor in the ceiling to see the roof’s framework—it’s like a forest of beams: impressive!
-The bridge Ura e Ali Pasha: A steep 45-minute climb from the city to the site is worth it, but once you reach the viewpoint (which is stunning), you have to go back down a path to reach the bridge. You can drive to the viewpoint, but parking is very tricky.
Around Gjirokastër:
-Just outside the city: Lake Liqeni i Viroit: a nice, ordinary-looking lake, but at the end, there’s a natural spring making the water crystal clear and a brilliant blue—really spectacular, like photos of Blue Eye near Sarandë.
-Drive to Përmet along the gorges: beautiful viewpoints along the way and lovely countryside.
Himarë:
Accommodation: Vila Kosteli: 120 € for 2 nights with breakfast—slightly overpriced for this type of place but very close to a small beach and not far from the promenade with all the restaurants. Private parking, but very tight (4 cars on a tiny lot along the road). The "sea view" room is a bit obstructed by the building across the street. However, the rooftop breakfast view is beautiful. Friendly staff.
Himarë is a pleasant seaside resort, quite calm (but it was April...). There’s a cute promenade with restaurants along the beach. The castle on the heights of Himarë is worth a visit.
Around Himarë:
-Qeparo is worth a quick stop, but Qeparo village is really worth the detour: a village lost in the heights after a scenic drive up from the coastal road—narrow but well-maintained. Beautiful view from the top and a charming village.
-The Big Bunker and Llogora Panorama: take a right turn several kilometers after Dhermi—a road that climbs steeply from the start... A breathtaking winding road that reaches 900 meters in altitude. The view is stunning.
-Several small villages between Dhermi and Himarë are worth a quick stop.
-Porto Palermo Castle is somewhat disappointing.
Tirana:
Taxi from Tirana airport to the city center: 15 € with electric taxis (Green Taxi, Bee Taxi, Do Taxi).
Accommodation: Hotel Nevi Apartment: 63 € for 2 nights. A private apartment in an older building but very clean and well-equipped, with a kitchen and small enclosed balcony.
Great welcome and contact—the owner even booked a taxi for our departure. Very well located, close to the main square, shops, and restaurants. A small supermarket nearby is perfect for stocking up on breakfast supplies.
The city is lively and dynamic, with plenty of green spaces and promenades. Buildings are popping up everywhere, often with surprising architecture—like a building shaped like a face, a huge golden cube, and many others under construction.
-Sky Tower: at the top, a rotating bar offers a 360° view of the city and its buildings. Drinks are a bit pricier than usual, but it’s totally worth it (6 € for a beer or a glass of white wine, 3 € for coffee). We were there for sunset, and it was amazing! A must-do. Arrive early, as it fills up quickly.
-The House of Leaves: a house used for secret surveillance and interrogations during the dictatorship... A great way to learn about the surveillance systems of that era.
-Bunk’Art 2: a bunker in the heart of the city—very interesting, covering the dictatorship period and its system...
-The Pazari i Ri Bazaar: the new bazaar district. The large hall is worth a visit, but souvenir prices are often higher than elsewhere... The area is nice.
Restaurant: Kastrati Restaurant—a bit like a canteen with lots of traditional dishes. It’s on the first floor of a building. Excellent value for money, and the waitress explains the dishes in French.
That’s a little overview of our trip and my personal impressions! Albania is a beautiful and pleasant country to visit. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
That’s a little overview of our trip and my personal impressions! Albania is a beautiful and pleasant country to visit. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
What are the main sights to visit on Rhodes itself or the surrounding islands, and what’s the weather like? We’re leaving on May 18th.
Hi everyone,
We’re thinking of spending 3 weeks in Crete between mid-August and early September, renting a car, quickly exploring a few spots in the east, and focusing on the west, southwest, and south.
I’m worried about the heavy tourist crowds. Is it really more noticeable than elsewhere in Greece? Is there a way to avoid the crowds without missing out on the iconic places, which I imagine are stunning in Crete? Thanks for your thoughts and experiences!
Hi,
I'm heading to Greece via Albania soon. Does anyone have info on transportation from Gjirokastër to Ioannina?
Which company, fares, and schedules—it's not very clear with Google.
Thanks!
Patrice
Thanks!
Patrice





