Visiter durant trois mois minimum l'Asie du Sud-Est
by Jey40
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous! Je fais appel à tous ceux qui sont allés en Asie du sud est. En effet je compte m'y rendre après passer quelques mois en Australie. Je disposerais à la base de 3 mois pour visiter ce territoire, mais ça peut s'allonger si je trouve du travail sur place, du woofing, bref si j'arrive à limiter mon budget!
A votre avis, quels sont les pays à ne pas rater la bas? Avec ma copine on part en backpack, et on recherche de l'authentique, du dépaysant (parfois à l'extrème...), de beaux paysages, et on veut aussi plonger la bas... Bref tout ce qu'on ne veut pas, ce sont "les usines à touristes ou à gringos". Je compte sur vos avis... Bonne route à tous
Bref tout ce qu'on ne veut pas, ce sont "les usines à touristes ou à gringos".
Va dans le nord de la Birmanie, et le nord Laotien..........
Va dans le nord de la Birmanie, et le nord Laotien..........
S.D
Salut vivlavie,
et on veut aussi plonger la bas..
Ca va être difficile au Laos et au nord de la Birmanie 😉
et on veut aussi plonger la bas..
Ca va être difficile au Laos et au nord de la Birmanie 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Bjr,
3 mois c'est super!Quelle chance. Il y a de beaux paysages un peu partout, l'essentiel est de prendre son temps et de sortir des villes et highways le plus vite possible.
Le Laos est encore tr��s préservé, c'est un pays que je conseillerais en premier lieu à un voyageur tranquille. Célèbes me paraît aussi intéressant à ce niveau, d'après tout ce que j'en ai vu, lu, entendu de près ou de loin.
La Thaïlande est très galvaudée mais présente aussi quelques paysages fascinants, mais vous aurez du mal à allier sites touristiques et authenticité. Par contre je vous conseille ce pays pour sa culture, particulièrement dans la région de l'Esaan, pas de tourisme de masse, douceur de vivre et gentillesse.
Le Laos est encore tr��s préservé, c'est un pays que je conseillerais en premier lieu à un voyageur tranquille. Célèbes me paraît aussi intéressant à ce niveau, d'après tout ce que j'en ai vu, lu, entendu de près ou de loin.
La Thaïlande est très galvaudée mais présente aussi quelques paysages fascinants, mais vous aurez du mal à allier sites touristiques et authenticité. Par contre je vous conseille ce pays pour sa culture, particulièrement dans la région de l'Esaan, pas de tourisme de masse, douceur de vivre et gentillesse.
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Merci pour vos réponses... Aussi courtes soient elles, j'en prends bonne note! Je me disais bien que la Thailande est un passage obligé (surtout si je veux plonger)... Je pensais faire un tour du coté du Laos et du Cambodge. Par contre je n'ai aucune infos sur la Malaisie (je sais c'est beaucoup plus au sud, mais on ne connait pas encore l'itinéraire qu'on va prendre ni ou on va arriver). Et apparemment, il faut presque se dépécher d'aller au Vietnam tant que c'est pas encore pourri par le tourisme! Vrai?
Encore une ptite question m'sieur dame 🏴☠️! Pour bosser par la bas, c'est galère? je suis pas regardant sur le boulot, je pense à du woofing, ou bosser dans une auberge de jeunesse...
"je suis pas regardant sur le boulot"
J'espère que tu n'est pas trop regardant non plus sur les salaires ... 😄
Philo
J'espère que tu n'est pas trop regardant non plus sur les salaires ... 😄
Philo
"J'ai refait tous les calculs, notre projet est irréalisable, il ne nous reste plus qu'une chose à faire, le réaliser". Latecoere
dyslexique
Salut vivlavie,
et on veut aussi plonger la bas..
Ca va être difficile au Laos et au nord de la Birmanie 😉
Salut Boumba 😛
Dans un lac la plongée peut être intéressante 😏😏😏
et on veut aussi plonger la bas..
Ca va être difficile au Laos et au nord de la Birmanie 😉
Salut Boumba 😛
Dans un lac la plongée peut être intéressante 😏😏😏
S.D
Tant que ça me permet de continuer à voyager ça roule... Même travailler pour le gite et le couvert ça me dérange pas! le but du jeu c'est de pas claquer tout le budget en 15 jours...
Pas beaucoup d'opportunitées, (profs de langues, grand chef cuisto, ou pour une cie occidental....)
Pas beaucoup d'opportunitées, (profs de langues, grand chef cuisto, ou pour une cie occidental....)
S.D
salut .
- c'est quoi ta définition de << Avec ma copine on part en backpack, ??? >>
car ici les bagpacks .. sont incompatible avec<<< on recherche de l'authentique>>>
ils sont content dans leur ghettos .. a bangkok dans le nord et dans le sud .. ils ont leur colonies .. pour eux c'est authentique puisque c'est les plus grand consommateurs de pantalon thai parmis les touristes .. ( uniforme obligatoire pour faire partie des bagpakers ..
et ne pas oublier 4 mots de thai sa fait Vrai ..
Bref tout ce qu'on ne veut pas, ce sont "les usines à touristes ou à gringos". Je compte sur vos avis... Bonne route à tous
mon avis .. comme tu le demande 😉, si tu veut être respecter commence par le faire ..
Bref tout ce qu'on ne veut pas, ce sont "les usines à touristes ou à gringos". Je compte sur vos avis... Bonne route à tous
mon avis .. comme tu le demande 😉, si tu veut être respecter commence par le faire ..
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Dans un lac la plongée peut être intéressante 😏😏😏
Salut vivlavie, C'est pas pareil dans un lac, comment veux-tu frimer comme les "plongeurs" de Phi Phi en disant: "Ouiiiiaiis hier j'ai été nager avec les raies Mantas, trop trop coool", nager avec des truites et des tanches ca le "fait" pas 😛
Salut vivlavie, C'est pas pareil dans un lac, comment veux-tu frimer comme les "plongeurs" de Phi Phi en disant: "Ouiiiiaiis hier j'ai été nager avec les raies Mantas, trop trop coool", nager avec des truites et des tanches ca le "fait" pas 😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Dans un lac la plongée peut être intéressante 😏😏😏
Salut vivlavie, C'est pas pareil dans un lac, comment veux-tu frimer comme les "plongeurs" de Phi Phi en disant: "Ouiiiiaiis hier j'ai été nager avec les raies Mantas, trop trop coool", nager avec des truites et des tanches ca le "fait" pas 😛
Salut Boum , 😉
Mais avec des piranhas ça le fait une expérience unique . 😏😏😏
Salut vivlavie, C'est pas pareil dans un lac, comment veux-tu frimer comme les "plongeurs" de Phi Phi en disant: "Ouiiiiaiis hier j'ai été nager avec les raies Mantas, trop trop coool", nager avec des truites et des tanches ca le "fait" pas 😛
Salut Boum , 😉
Mais avec des piranhas ça le fait une expérience unique . 😏😏😏
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Back pack, veut simplement dire sac à dos... C'est un mot rien de plus! J'aurais tout simplement pu dire on part en routard. Tout ça pour dire qu'on ne part pas en circuit ou quoi que ce soit. On va ou le vent nous emmene. C'est pas parce que je vois 2 blancs avec le mm sac à dos devant moi que je vai leur demander ou ils vont et les suivre (j'aurais plutot tendance à faire le contraire). Alors si utiliser le mot back pack est irrespectueux, et veut dire pour toi qu'on est forcément sectaire, qu'on ne cherche pas à s'intégrer à la population c'est dommage; je ne vois pas les choses comme toi. Mais merci quand mm d'avoir prété attention à mon message... Salut à toi
Dans un lac la plongée peut être intéressante 😏😏😏 
Salut vivlavie, C'est pas pareil dans un lac, comment veux-tu frimer comme les "plongeurs" de Phi Phi en disant: "Ouiiiiaiis hier j'ai été nager avec les raies Mantas, trop trop coool", nager avec des truites et des tanches ca le "fait" pas 😛

Salut Boum , 😉
Mais avec des piranhas ça le fait une expérience unique . 😏😏😏
Salut Marco,
Le probleme c'est que tu ne sera plus en état de le raconter a personne😛😄😏
A+
Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Le probleme c'est que tu ne sera plus en état de le raconter a personne😛😄😏
Salut Pierre ,
Si la caméra . 😛
Salut Pierre ,
Si la caméra . 😛
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Salut GRRR 😉
C'est bien pour ca que c'est une expérience UNIQUE 😇😄😄😏😏😛😉
ça le fait une expérience unique
ça le fait une expérience unique
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
comme m'a conseillé un voyageur allemand, tu achêtes une carte routière, tu consulte tous les guides de voyages, tu rayes les lieux cités et avec tous les endroits qui restent tu fais ton voyage 😏. Sans aller jusque là, dès que tu sors des lieux touristiques et que tu a à faire à des gens qiui ne travaillent pas avec les touristes, tu as souvent un accueil formaidable.
je ne sais rien ... mais je vous dirais tout !!
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Trés bonne solution gadjoxav! 😏 En tout cas entièrement d'accord avec toi sur l'accueil en dehors des endroits touristiques. Un de mes meilleurs souvenirs de voyage, c'était dans un petit village maya au Guatemala ou je n'ai pas croisé un gringo en 2 semaines... Du coup j'étais la bête curieuse du village et le contact s'est fait trèèèèès facilement!
😉Salut,
s'allonger si je trouve du travail sur place, du woofing, bref si j'arrive à limiter mon budget!
On ne peut pas travailler si facilement en Asie du sud est!!! Work permit, etc.... pour le woofing, couchsurfing... les asiatiques ne sont pas des grands fans, on ne rentre pas chez les gens facilement!! Ce qui n'empeche pas qu'ils soient accueillants!
Apres pour les Pays, en 3mois tu peux faire 2/3 pays pour une preiere aproche Thailande, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodge!!! Apres quand on sort des sentiers touristiques, il y a souvent la barriere de la langue!!!
Pour plongée, il y pas mal d'endroits en Thailande comme Kho Tao, de l'autre coté Krabi ou Phuket et les iles des environs!!! et bien d'autres!!
A+
PS : renseigne toi bien pour l'Australie, il parait que les Australiens donnent du travail en priorité au Australiens vu que c'est la soit disant crise
s'allonger si je trouve du travail sur place, du woofing, bref si j'arrive à limiter mon budget!
On ne peut pas travailler si facilement en Asie du sud est!!! Work permit, etc.... pour le woofing, couchsurfing... les asiatiques ne sont pas des grands fans, on ne rentre pas chez les gens facilement!! Ce qui n'empeche pas qu'ils soient accueillants!
Apres pour les Pays, en 3mois tu peux faire 2/3 pays pour une preiere aproche Thailande, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodge!!! Apres quand on sort des sentiers touristiques, il y a souvent la barriere de la langue!!!
Pour plongée, il y pas mal d'endroits en Thailande comme Kho Tao, de l'autre coté Krabi ou Phuket et les iles des environs!!! et bien d'autres!!
A+
PS : renseigne toi bien pour l'Australie, il parait que les Australiens donnent du travail en priorité au Australiens vu que c'est la soit disant crise
Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
salut
je suis a ha noi
c est quoi le woofig????
ici y a beucoups d usines a touristes...
j ai habite trois ans en chine...et je suis etonne par le tourisme en asie du sud est!
bien sur en chine y a aussi des touristes...mais y a aussi pas mal , sinon plus; de touristes chinois.
juste une petite comparaison(y en a qui aimerons pas!)
en chine , si tu veux rencontrer des etudiants chinois ou des jeunes qui veules pratiquer une langue etrangere , tu vas dans l auberge de jeunesse hi. beucoups habitent la durant le temps de leurs etudesz car c est moin cher et plus sympa que le dortoir sovietique des universités;
ici a ha noi ya un e seule auberge de jeunesse; (tenue par des australiens) ben mon gars c est l usine a touriste anglo-saxons style vang vieng, biere a la main toute la journée.
pour repondre precisement a ta question: voyager "par soi meme" est assez facile. il faut juste un peu d expérience et quelques bons conseils avant le depar! au VN, les trains sont efficaces et il ya des bus publics partout et en nombre...et en plus c est parfois moin cher et moins casse couille de prendre directement un bus pour touriste a ton hotel. question visite au VN , essaye d eviter HA LONG bay (la very big usine) tous les jours des milliers de laowai y vont. BA BE lake, c est pas mal, un peu moins courru... sinon loue une moto et fais un tour au nord de ha noi. facile de trouver des pensions. tupeux faire de meme dans le delta du me kong a partir de sai gon.les 100 premiers km sont moches mais apres c est magnifique et loin du tourisme de masse. juste etre vigilant aux arnaques et etre ferme. (bien se dire que si la difference de prix n est que d un euro pour toi, cela represente un repas pour le mec qui te scam!!!)
Au Laos, tu peux allar au nord, a luang nam tha pres de la chine, c est pas mal et tres calme apresl e VN en fait y a pas vraiment d endroits a eviter au laos, a condition de prendre le bus local(meme le vip bus) tu verra, le laos est tres petit mais se deplacer prends un temps consderable. c est superbe. peut etre eviter les bateau touristiques sur le mekong (y aplus de service regulier remplacé par le bus)
je pense que tu pourra planifier ton voyage au jour le jour et avancer au gré des rencontres...au niveau visa le laos est assez facile car pour rester aussi longtemps que tu veux , il suffit de passer le checkpoint tous les mois et de revenir, souven cela permet d aller s approvisionner en thailande ou tout est moin cher. pour bosser , je sais pas te dire , je cherche moi meme! ya moyen d etre prof mais c est pas trop evident au viet nam; y aurait plus de possibilites au cambodge ou au laos?? sinon y a vang vieng au laos, c est la que j vais la semain prochaine; trouver un boulot dans un bar happy; ca m enchante pas d aller servir des bieres toute la journee a des anglo-saxons braillards debiles, mais la ca devient extremement urgent.
sinon y a la chine...c est tres interessant et pas si difficile que ca dy voyager...
pour repondre precisement a ta question: voyager "par soi meme" est assez facile. il faut juste un peu d expérience et quelques bons conseils avant le depar! au VN, les trains sont efficaces et il ya des bus publics partout et en nombre...et en plus c est parfois moin cher et moins casse couille de prendre directement un bus pour touriste a ton hotel. question visite au VN , essaye d eviter HA LONG bay (la very big usine) tous les jours des milliers de laowai y vont. BA BE lake, c est pas mal, un peu moins courru... sinon loue une moto et fais un tour au nord de ha noi. facile de trouver des pensions. tupeux faire de meme dans le delta du me kong a partir de sai gon.les 100 premiers km sont moches mais apres c est magnifique et loin du tourisme de masse. juste etre vigilant aux arnaques et etre ferme. (bien se dire que si la difference de prix n est que d un euro pour toi, cela represente un repas pour le mec qui te scam!!!)
Au Laos, tu peux allar au nord, a luang nam tha pres de la chine, c est pas mal et tres calme apresl e VN en fait y a pas vraiment d endroits a eviter au laos, a condition de prendre le bus local(meme le vip bus) tu verra, le laos est tres petit mais se deplacer prends un temps consderable. c est superbe. peut etre eviter les bateau touristiques sur le mekong (y aplus de service regulier remplacé par le bus)
je pense que tu pourra planifier ton voyage au jour le jour et avancer au gré des rencontres...au niveau visa le laos est assez facile car pour rester aussi longtemps que tu veux , il suffit de passer le checkpoint tous les mois et de revenir, souven cela permet d aller s approvisionner en thailande ou tout est moin cher. pour bosser , je sais pas te dire , je cherche moi meme! ya moyen d etre prof mais c est pas trop evident au viet nam; y aurait plus de possibilites au cambodge ou au laos?? sinon y a vang vieng au laos, c est la que j vais la semain prochaine; trouver un boulot dans un bar happy; ca m enchante pas d aller servir des bieres toute la journee a des anglo-saxons braillards debiles, mais la ca devient extremement urgent.
sinon y a la chine...c est tres interessant et pas si difficile que ca dy voyager...
MDR,
Merci Marco et Olivier!!!
A+
Merci Marco et Olivier!!!
A+
Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Salut Jey, pour le wwoofing en Asie du Sud Est, regardes ce POST qui devrait t'intéresser 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
vientiane est commme un mini sai gon , vide( en comparaison a saigon) de traffic. c est le meme genre de ville avec la meme histoire pendant la guerre du viet nam
c 'st tres sympa...
oliwen
c 'st tres sympa...
oliwen
si j'ai poser la question c'est quoi un bagpacker c'est bien pour , , , , , , , , , , , , , savoir ..
car ici les bagpackers son considérés comme des oiseau un peut spécial 🤪.. par exemple il y a la dénomination < farang kinok .. > expression tout droit sortie du ghetto bagpacker de bangkok . ( kaosan ) ..
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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"...ce qu'on ne veut pas, ce sont "les usines à touristes ou à gringos". Je compte sur vos avis..."
Étrange, mais tous ces "backpackers" ne te suggèrent que des lieux touristiques....et quelle différence y a-t-il entre une usine à touristes et une usine à backpackers?...KPP est une usine de touristes pourtant remplis de backpackers!
Les backpackers (j'en suis un) vont dans les usines touristiques (j'y vais) parce qu'il y a quelquechose à voir, à découvrir, à ...S'il n'y avait rien à voir, à découvrir, à ... en Thaïlande ou en ...ou à ..., il n'y aurait pas de touristes mais t'y rendrais-tu?

Étrange, mais tous ces "backpackers" ne te suggèrent que des lieux touristiques....et quelle différence y a-t-il entre une usine à touristes et une usine à backpackers?...KPP est une usine de touristes pourtant remplis de backpackers!
Les backpackers (j'en suis un) vont dans les usines touristiques (j'y vais) parce qu'il y a quelquechose à voir, à découvrir, à ...S'il n'y avait rien à voir, à découvrir, à ... en Thaïlande ou en ...ou à ..., il n'y aurait pas de touristes mais t'y rendrais-tu?

Pierroro
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Pierroro
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Je porte un sac à dos, mais je recherche de l'authentique... Oui monsieur ça existe! Je bosse dans le tourisme toute l'année (je suis guide interprète), donc des touristes j'en vois tous les jours...c'est pas pour les retrouver quand je suis en vacances! Je n'ai jamais di que je recherche à tout prix un hotel backpacker. Je préfère 100 fois vivre chez l'habitant. Alors peut etre que j'ai fait l'erreur d'utiliser le mot backpack dans mon post (qui, je le rappelle signifie seulement sac à dos 😕), mais franchement arreter de me faire un procès, ça devient ridicule
Je m'excuse si je vous ai vexé ...mais je suis las de voir tous ces prétendus routards, backpackers, autonomes, etc qui une fois sur la route se transforment souvent en "touristes" consommateurs.
PS: Il n'y a pas que les touristes qui braquent leurs numériques dans la face de l'autochtone pour rapporter de l'authentique.
Alors on se serre la main😉
Pierroro
Quand le moment est arrivé, l'heure est venue! (C.Bobin.)
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Salut
Je crois que Pierroro et Jay40 que vs pensez la meme chose en fait ....
Pour moi le mot "backpaker" ou "routard" en francais , signifie juste un jeune (ou pas) occidental (éventuellement Israelien, japonnais ou sud-coreen) qui voyage sur un autre continent avec son sac à dos , son lonely planet , ses petites infos prises sur internet avant de partir, et qui voyage au jour-le-jour avec un idée de l itineraire à suivre mais tjrs pret à le modifier en cour de route ...En general le budget dudit "backpaker" oscille entre "grave-fauché" et "un peu fauché"....Des que t as un peu de tune (par rapport à qui , à quoi ?) tu es automatiquement rayés de la liste ...Mais pr les thais , on a tous de la tune , donc : "backpakers kinio mak mak !!"
Voila le truc ! il est vrai que ds ce mot , on ne peut le nier, y a une dimension "roots" , 68tarde diraient des plus anciens , avec la philosophie et l esprit allant avec ...
Pierroro, je cromprends ton pt de vue .J ai tjrs fait mes voyages en asie en Backpaker et j ai grave kiffer au debut cette "backpakers attitude " , les iles , kao sand rd (putain ! j ai du toutes les faire les guesthouses !! ) , franchement j ai aimé ... Mais maintenant je vis là (je sais pas pr toi perroro) , j ai une copine thai et , tant mieux pr moi, je le vis le vrai authentique (quoique je reste un farang), ma meuf thai , son gamin, sa famille, ses amis ...bouffe tjrs trop epicée, bouddha ceci, le roi(o majesté !) cela ....sacré choc culturel qd meme !!
Du coup, je crois que ca vient de là , la "backerpaker-attitude" n a plus le meme effet ...Du moins quand on bouge avec ma cop, c est aussi le sac à dos, c est aussi la carte et du jour-le-jour....mais c est different ... En plus j ai remarqué que ds les lieux backpakers , la fille thai accompagnant un farang, ca evoque les clichés ....
Autre chose rapidement, ds les "hauts lieux backpakers" , on a l impresion que les gens veulent la thailande sans les thais .... J accorde une circonstance atténuante à 99, 9% des backpakers : ils ne s en rendent pas compte ....
Jey40 , je prepare un post pr repondre à ta question quand meme !!
zemou
Je crois que Pierroro et Jay40 que vs pensez la meme chose en fait ....
Pour moi le mot "backpaker" ou "routard" en francais , signifie juste un jeune (ou pas) occidental (éventuellement Israelien, japonnais ou sud-coreen) qui voyage sur un autre continent avec son sac à dos , son lonely planet , ses petites infos prises sur internet avant de partir, et qui voyage au jour-le-jour avec un idée de l itineraire à suivre mais tjrs pret à le modifier en cour de route ...En general le budget dudit "backpaker" oscille entre "grave-fauché" et "un peu fauché"....Des que t as un peu de tune (par rapport à qui , à quoi ?) tu es automatiquement rayés de la liste ...Mais pr les thais , on a tous de la tune , donc : "backpakers kinio mak mak !!"
Voila le truc ! il est vrai que ds ce mot , on ne peut le nier, y a une dimension "roots" , 68tarde diraient des plus anciens , avec la philosophie et l esprit allant avec ...
Pierroro, je cromprends ton pt de vue .J ai tjrs fait mes voyages en asie en Backpaker et j ai grave kiffer au debut cette "backpakers attitude " , les iles , kao sand rd (putain ! j ai du toutes les faire les guesthouses !! ) , franchement j ai aimé ... Mais maintenant je vis là (je sais pas pr toi perroro) , j ai une copine thai et , tant mieux pr moi, je le vis le vrai authentique (quoique je reste un farang), ma meuf thai , son gamin, sa famille, ses amis ...bouffe tjrs trop epicée, bouddha ceci, le roi(o majesté !) cela ....sacré choc culturel qd meme !!
Du coup, je crois que ca vient de là , la "backerpaker-attitude" n a plus le meme effet ...Du moins quand on bouge avec ma cop, c est aussi le sac à dos, c est aussi la carte et du jour-le-jour....mais c est different ... En plus j ai remarqué que ds les lieux backpakers , la fille thai accompagnant un farang, ca evoque les clichés ....
Autre chose rapidement, ds les "hauts lieux backpakers" , on a l impresion que les gens veulent la thailande sans les thais .... J accorde une circonstance atténuante à 99, 9% des backpakers : ils ne s en rendent pas compte ....
Jey40 , je prepare un post pr repondre à ta question quand meme !!
zemou
Je porte un sac à dos, mais je recherche de l'authentique... Oui monsieur ça existe! Je bosse dans le tourisme toute l'année (je suis guide interprète),
ce n'est le fait de dire je suis un bagpacker qui me chiffonne mais ce dédain pour le touriste classique . et en plus tu gagne de l'argent sur leur dos .🤪. respect l'ami .. en asie on dit < je me dois de respecter toute perssone qui m'aporte du riz .. > en Europe c'est plus clair le client est roi ..
pour ce qui est dormir chez l'habitat ce n'est pas un coutume .en général . ils estiment que un etranger ( peut se payer une guest a 3 euros .. )
ce n'est le fait de dire je suis un bagpacker qui me chiffonne mais ce dédain pour le touriste classique . et en plus tu gagne de l'argent sur leur dos .🤪. respect l'ami .. en asie on dit < je me dois de respecter toute perssone qui m'aporte du riz .. > en Europe c'est plus clair le client est roi ..
pour ce qui est dormir chez l'habitat ce n'est pas un coutume .en général . ils estiment que un etranger ( peut se payer une guest a 3 euros .. )
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Jay40
C est vaste quand meme l asie du sud-est, il va falloir deja te choisir une "sous-zone" , par ex :thailande et indochine ou encore toute l indonesie ...Si tu vx pas depenser en billet d avion, contente toi d une zone , en trois mois tu pourras en voir ...
Je ne te parlerai pas des Philippines, Birmanie et Indonesie , je connais pas ...
Je connais bien Thai-Viet-Laos-Cambodia ...Avec cette serie tu auras deja un choix impressionnants d itineraires possibles ...Si tu vx voir le minimum de touriste , il te faudra peut etre priviligié le Laos ds son ensemble , le cambodia aussi (sauf Angkor)...Au Vietnam et on thailande c est carrement faisable mais ca oblige à zaper des sites incontournables !!!
Je pense que t as voulu dire un truc du genre , pas-de-touriste-tout-le-temps-plein-partout ....
Les qqles zones de "touristes" te permetteront de discuter avec d autres farangs ...Car tout le tps parler à des gens qui ne n allignent pas un mot d anglais , c est fatiguant !!
Excuse mais "dormir cz l habitant" ..... tao rai krap ? ....Ca t arrivera peut etre , sans contribution financiere , j en doute ....
Un type vient te voir chez toi en France ou Australie ;il a un sac à dos pourri et une tete hirsute ...Tu le laisses dormir chez toi ?? et gratos ??
Sans etre ironique, je comprends ton idée , je vx dire par là , ils ne faut pas se leurrer ;si tu es un farang , pr 99% des gens des coins reculés se sera synonyme de $$$ ...
N en deplaisent à certains sur ce site , c est la verité ....Peut etre un jour l'Asie ecrasera-t-elle l occident et les choses s inverseront ....
c est pas demain la veille !!!
Enjoy your trip Jay40 ! si t as besoin d infos plus precise sur un itineraire , hesite pas ...
zemou
C est vaste quand meme l asie du sud-est, il va falloir deja te choisir une "sous-zone" , par ex :thailande et indochine ou encore toute l indonesie ...Si tu vx pas depenser en billet d avion, contente toi d une zone , en trois mois tu pourras en voir ...
Je ne te parlerai pas des Philippines, Birmanie et Indonesie , je connais pas ...
Je connais bien Thai-Viet-Laos-Cambodia ...Avec cette serie tu auras deja un choix impressionnants d itineraires possibles ...Si tu vx voir le minimum de touriste , il te faudra peut etre priviligié le Laos ds son ensemble , le cambodia aussi (sauf Angkor)...Au Vietnam et on thailande c est carrement faisable mais ca oblige à zaper des sites incontournables !!!
Je pense que t as voulu dire un truc du genre , pas-de-touriste-tout-le-temps-plein-partout ....
Les qqles zones de "touristes" te permetteront de discuter avec d autres farangs ...Car tout le tps parler à des gens qui ne n allignent pas un mot d anglais , c est fatiguant !!
Excuse mais "dormir cz l habitant" ..... tao rai krap ? ....Ca t arrivera peut etre , sans contribution financiere , j en doute ....
Un type vient te voir chez toi en France ou Australie ;il a un sac à dos pourri et une tete hirsute ...Tu le laisses dormir chez toi ?? et gratos ??
Sans etre ironique, je comprends ton idée , je vx dire par là , ils ne faut pas se leurrer ;si tu es un farang , pr 99% des gens des coins reculés se sera synonyme de $$$ ...
N en deplaisent à certains sur ce site , c est la verité ....Peut etre un jour l'Asie ecrasera-t-elle l occident et les choses s inverseront ....
c est pas demain la veille !!!
Enjoy your trip Jay40 ! si t as besoin d infos plus precise sur un itineraire , hesite pas ...
zemou
Excuse mais "dormir cz l habitant" ..... tao rai krap ? ....Ca t arrivera peut etre , sans contribution financiere , j en doute ....
je crois que si le phénomène <>> n'est pas que une question d'argent .. je l'ai appris par expérience j'ai des amis qui débarquent et faute de place .. je soumet l'idée a des thais fort sympa . ils acceptent de rentrer dans le jeux sans aucune compensation financière . 24 h passent et ils me disent désolé thuan mais on ne peut pas . je demande des explications et je m'aperçois que c'est simplement culturel et sociale .. ils ont oublier de se déchausser par exemple .. de ne pas faire le way de respect a la grand mère .. et comble .. 1 douche par jour .. plus une multitude de petits détailles qui en ont fait une expérience certes unique mais définitive .. le farang malgré sa sympathie dérange le système traditionnel de la vie thai ..
je crois que si le phénomène <>> n'est pas que une question d'argent .. je l'ai appris par expérience j'ai des amis qui débarquent et faute de place .. je soumet l'idée a des thais fort sympa . ils acceptent de rentrer dans le jeux sans aucune compensation financière . 24 h passent et ils me disent désolé thuan mais on ne peut pas . je demande des explications et je m'aperçois que c'est simplement culturel et sociale .. ils ont oublier de se déchausser par exemple .. de ne pas faire le way de respect a la grand mère .. et comble .. 1 douche par jour .. plus une multitude de petits détailles qui en ont fait une expérience certes unique mais définitive .. le farang malgré sa sympathie dérange le système traditionnel de la vie thai ..
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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C est clair ! et on peut dire que ca fait partie du "choc culturel" et finalement c est un peu pr ca qu on aime l'asie ! 😉
pas toujours .🤪. quant on me fille une soupe aux abas de poisson le matin .. le choc je m'en passerais bien volontiers .. rien ne replace un bon café .. 😉
pas toujours .🤪. quant on me fille une soupe aux abas de poisson le matin .. le choc je m'en passerais bien volontiers .. rien ne replace un bon café .. 😉
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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A quel moment n'ai je pas respecté les touristes, ou qui que ce soit? Apparemment Thuan, tu m'a pris en grippe, et me vois comme quelqu'un d'irrespectueux (ça fait quand mm 2 fois que tu me l'écris)! Dommage, je venais juste ici chercher des informations, pas dénigrer qui que ce soit, ni lancer un débat... Bref je n'ai pas envie de rentrer dans quelconque polémique, donc si tu veux bien m'apporter des réponses à mes questions merci beaucoup... Sinon salut à toi
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Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
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Pensez-vous que c'est jouable de quitter Koh Phayam assez tôt pour attraper le bateau de 10h qui part de Khura Buri pour Koh Phra Thong ? Le seul bateau suivant est à 16h, ce qui me ferait perdre une journée.
Merci
Après un séjour à Koh Phayam en novembre prochain, je souhaite séjourner 2 ou 3 jours à Koh Phra Thong, avant de continuer vers le sud.
Pensez-vous que c'est jouable de quitter Koh Phayam assez tôt pour attraper le bateau de 10h qui part de Khura Buri pour Koh Phra Thong ? Le seul bateau suivant est à 16h, ce qui me ferait perdre une journée.
Merci
Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
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Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
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3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
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Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
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Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,