merci d'avance a tous et toutes pour vos avis éclairés. DAVID
Voyage au Botswana
by Dada37
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bonjour a tous
je viens de m'inscrire sur ce forum, j'ai déjà trouvé beaucoup de renseignements très utile pour notre voyage au Botswana en Aout 2014.
nous partons du 11/08 au 27/08 2014 pour 14 jours de self drive avec nos deux filles de 13a et 9a.
nous prévoyons de louer un 4x4 équipé avec tente sur le toit et camping complet.
nous avons contacté "Irène" de chez Travel Arrangements Agency pour les réservations des entrées aux parcs et nuits dans les campistes. connaissez vous cette société et savez vous si elle a bonne réputation?
pour la location du 4x4, nous avons contacté 3 louer qui nous paraissent assez sérieux mais comment savoir lequel est le mieux , pourriez vous m'éclairer sur vos retours d'expériences si vous aussi êtes passé par ces loueur basés en Afrique du sud mais qui nous proposent de nous livrer le 4x4 a Maun directement moyennant un supplément bien sur.
les loueurs contactés sont: SOUTHERN OFFROAD, 4X4 CAMPER et BUSHLORE.
une autre chose nous questionne, celle des vaccins, nous lisons ici et la qu'aucuns vaccins n'est obligatoire pour le Botswana, qu'en est il vraiment.
Pour ce qui est de notre itinéraire et afin de bien comprendre ce que nous préparons pour ces 14 jours, je vous mets celui-ci pour éventuellement avoir vos avis.
> MOREMI : 4 days ( KWAI , Third Bridge , Xakanaxa )
> Chobe : 3 days ( Savuti , Ihaha )
> Nxai Pan : 1 day ( Baines Baobab )
> Makgadikgadi Pans : 1 day
> CKGR : 4 days ( deception , ........... )
merci d'avance a tous et toutes pour vos avis éclairés. DAVID
merci d'avance a tous et toutes pour vos avis éclairés. DAVID
Bonsoir David,
Je ne connais pas Irene, mais je connais d'autres agences locales. Non plus les loueurs sudafs sauf Bushlore de réputation (c'est un gros morceau)...
Question vaccins, rien d'obligatoire effectivement, mais il est très recommandé d'être à jour des vaccins usuels. Si vous passez en Zambie (à Livingstone pour les chutes Victoria par exemple), la fièvre jaune est obligatoire.
Niveau parcours, je ne connais pas votre expérience, mais celui que vous envisagez est plutôt engagé niveau conduite 4x4 et intense en heures dans la voiture. Et vous ne vous laverez pas tous les jours ! Aucun passage en ville ? Il faudrait au moins passer à Kasane pour le ravitaillement (et le "Chobe river cruise", incontournable).
Il faut aussi savoir qu'il peut faire très froid la nuit, en particulier dans le CKGR (mais loin de moi l'idée de t'en dissuader, j'adore !)
Ihaha / Nxai est-il prévu en une seule journée ? C'est injouable.
Je ne connais pas Irene, mais je connais d'autres agences locales. Non plus les loueurs sudafs sauf Bushlore de réputation (c'est un gros morceau)...
Question vaccins, rien d'obligatoire effectivement, mais il est très recommandé d'être à jour des vaccins usuels. Si vous passez en Zambie (à Livingstone pour les chutes Victoria par exemple), la fièvre jaune est obligatoire.
Niveau parcours, je ne connais pas votre expérience, mais celui que vous envisagez est plutôt engagé niveau conduite 4x4 et intense en heures dans la voiture. Et vous ne vous laverez pas tous les jours ! Aucun passage en ville ? Il faudrait au moins passer à Kasane pour le ravitaillement (et le "Chobe river cruise", incontournable).
Il faut aussi savoir qu'il peut faire très froid la nuit, en particulier dans le CKGR (mais loin de moi l'idée de t'en dissuader, j'adore !)
Ihaha / Nxai est-il prévu en une seule journée ? C'est injouable.
bonjour Pierre77N,
nous avons été mis en relation avec Travel Arrangements Agency par un loueur de 4x4 en AFS. nous avons aussi demandé a Dumela pour notre itineraire et les resa des parcs, camping et lodges.
pour les vaccins, nous n'en aurons donc pas besoin si j'ai bien compris puisque nous restons uniquement au Botswana et ne franchirons aucunes frontières.
pour notre parcours, nous partons pour la première fois pour un tel voyage, mais aimons l'aventure et pour ce qui est de ne pas se laver tout les jours et bien on avisera, après tout le fait de choisir de visiter ce pays par nos propres moyens en self drive passe aussi par ce genre d’inconvénients. concernant la croisière sur la rivière CHOBE, ce n'est pas prévu mais nous aviserons peut être la bas et sur place ( a voir)mais pas une priorité.
Pour le passage en ville effectivement nous ne prevoyons pas non plus de passer par KASANE, mais avons vu que nous pouvions nous ravitailler en gas-oil, eau et nourriture a GWETA et RAKOPS qui sont 2 villes sur notre parcours, qu'en pensez vous ? Pour le froid nous prévoyons aussi des vêtements chaud, pour les nuits. et pour NXAI Pan nous avons prévu une journée entière et pour IHAHA aussi est ce raisonnable? vous dites que vous adorez cet endroit malgré tout les petits inconvénients du a l’éloignement des villes, la difficulté des pistes, le froid la nuit , mais nous sommes comme vous , c'est aussi pour ça que l'on veut faire se voyage depuis très longtemps, nous attendions que nos filles soient un peu plus grandes , la elles auront 13ans et 9ans et sont enchantées d'y aller comme ça en self drive. merci pour tout encore Pierre.
pour les vaccins, nous n'en aurons donc pas besoin si j'ai bien compris puisque nous restons uniquement au Botswana et ne franchirons aucunes frontières.
pour notre parcours, nous partons pour la première fois pour un tel voyage, mais aimons l'aventure et pour ce qui est de ne pas se laver tout les jours et bien on avisera, après tout le fait de choisir de visiter ce pays par nos propres moyens en self drive passe aussi par ce genre d’inconvénients. concernant la croisière sur la rivière CHOBE, ce n'est pas prévu mais nous aviserons peut être la bas et sur place ( a voir)mais pas une priorité.
Pour le passage en ville effectivement nous ne prevoyons pas non plus de passer par KASANE, mais avons vu que nous pouvions nous ravitailler en gas-oil, eau et nourriture a GWETA et RAKOPS qui sont 2 villes sur notre parcours, qu'en pensez vous ? Pour le froid nous prévoyons aussi des vêtements chaud, pour les nuits. et pour NXAI Pan nous avons prévu une journée entière et pour IHAHA aussi est ce raisonnable? vous dites que vous adorez cet endroit malgré tout les petits inconvénients du a l’éloignement des villes, la difficulté des pistes, le froid la nuit , mais nous sommes comme vous , c'est aussi pour ça que l'on veut faire se voyage depuis très longtemps, nous attendions que nos filles soient un peu plus grandes , la elles auront 13ans et 9ans et sont enchantées d'y aller comme ça en self drive. merci pour tout encore Pierre.
Un avant goût du voyage ?...
http://www.france5.fr/emissions/echappees-belles/videos/89835209
Bonsoir David,
nous partons pour la première fois pour un tel voyage
Eh bien, ça va faire une sacrée entrée en matière !...
Rakops : une station service pas toujours alimentée sur laquelle tu ne peux absolument pas compter et rien à manger ou presque sauf si vous vous mettez au mealie meal. Gweta : une station service plus fiable et un tout petit supermarché à priori. J'en saurai plus à la fin du mois. Dans les deux cas, le mot "ville" n'est pas vraiment approprié.
Je ne comprends toujours pas comment tu comptes aller de Ihaha à Baines Baobab sans passer par Kasane...
nous partons pour la première fois pour un tel voyage
Eh bien, ça va faire une sacrée entrée en matière !...
Rakops : une station service pas toujours alimentée sur laquelle tu ne peux absolument pas compter et rien à manger ou presque sauf si vous vous mettez au mealie meal. Gweta : une station service plus fiable et un tout petit supermarché à priori. J'en saurai plus à la fin du mois. Dans les deux cas, le mot "ville" n'est pas vraiment approprié.
Je ne comprends toujours pas comment tu comptes aller de Ihaha à Baines Baobab sans passer par Kasane...
Coucou Pierre,
Gweta :... un tout petit supermarché
C'est à celui-ci que tu penses ? Si tu veux je te donne l'adresse GPS pour ton proche voyage. 😉
Gweta :... un tout petit supermarché
C'est à celui-ci que tu penses ? Si tu veux je te donne l'adresse GPS pour ton proche voyage. 😉
Michelle
oui c'est clair que ça va nous faire un sacré voyage, mais je rêves du Botswana depuis environ 15 ans, alors coûte que coûte nous ne reculerons pas malgré les difficultés que nous allons surement rencontrer mais j'imagines que au mois d’août nous serons pas non plus tout seul.
Nous allons suivre tes conseils Pierre77N pour la halte à kasane car effectivement nous ne pourrons pas faire le plein de quoi que ce soit ailleurs et puis ensuite nous prendrons la route principale qui va de Kasane à Nata pour après aller a NXAI Pan.merci encore.
sinon pour le reste nous allons passer par Dumela certainement pour les resas des entrées des parks et resas camping et pour le 4x4par Bushlore.
DAVID
DAVID
Si tu veux je te donne l'adresse GPS pour ton proche voyage.
Merci Michelle ! 🙂 Effectivement, je ne vais découvrir Gweta Metropole que dans quelques semaines, mais comme T4A indique "supermarket", je n'avais pas osé écrire qu'il n'y avait rien du tout.
j'imagines que au mois d’août nous serons pas non plus tout seul.
Justement si, vous serez très souvent seuls sur votre itinéraire ! Et c'est ce qui fait une partie de l'attrait de cette région. Mais c'est aussi ce qui rend votre projet complètement déraisonnable en solo et sans expérience. Mais chacun fait ce qu'il veut, je ne juge pas.
Entre Ihaha et Nxai via Kasane et Nata, il faut passer une nuit en route.
Merci Michelle ! 🙂 Effectivement, je ne vais découvrir Gweta Metropole que dans quelques semaines, mais comme T4A indique "supermarket", je n'avais pas osé écrire qu'il n'y avait rien du tout.
j'imagines que au mois d’août nous serons pas non plus tout seul.
Justement si, vous serez très souvent seuls sur votre itinéraire ! Et c'est ce qui fait une partie de l'attrait de cette région. Mais c'est aussi ce qui rend votre projet complètement déraisonnable en solo et sans expérience. Mais chacun fait ce qu'il veut, je ne juge pas.
Entre Ihaha et Nxai via Kasane et Nata, il faut passer une nuit en route.
j'imagines que si vous avez cet avis sur ce voyage c'est que vous avez déjà du le faire non ?
mais si c'est possible pouvez vous détaillé un peu plus le fait que c'est un projet totalement déraisonnable pour nous qui avons déjà voyagé ailleurs mais jamais en solo et en Afrique.
est ce réellement dangereux pour nous et notre famille, mettons nous vraiment en danger dans ce projet?
je suis preneur de toutes les remarques de personnes ayant déjà fait ce voyage.
pour ce qui est de la nuit entre Kasane et Nata oui nous avons prévu une nuit en lodge . merci encore DAVID
pour ce qui est de la nuit entre Kasane et Nata oui nous avons prévu une nuit en lodge . merci encore DAVID
Entre Ihaha et Nxai via Kasane et Nata, il faut passer une nuit en route.
salut Pierre,
je te rejoins sur le côté déraisonnable voir même dangereux de ce voyage. surtout avec des enfants !!
mais sur le point cité ci-dessus je ne suis pas d'accord. C'est une très grosse journée de route mais c'est faisable. Ihaha Kasane 1h00 sans safariter, par contre c'est toujours au détriment de l'intérêt que l'on peut porter à la région. Kasane - Nxai 6h00
salut Pierre,
je te rejoins sur le côté déraisonnable voir même dangereux de ce voyage. surtout avec des enfants !!
mais sur le point cité ci-dessus je ne suis pas d'accord. C'est une très grosse journée de route mais c'est faisable. Ihaha Kasane 1h00 sans safariter, par contre c'est toujours au détriment de l'intérêt que l'on peut porter à la région. Kasane - Nxai 6h00
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
bonjour
je me permets de te poser également la question sur le coté dangereux du voyage et surtout avec des enfants.
Sur ce forum et d'autres, nous avons vu que nous n'étions pas les premiers ni certainement les derniers a faire ce voyage avec enfants pourtant.
en quoi cela est il si dangereux et totalement déraisonnable de le faire . merci de bien vouloir m'en dire plus
merci d'avance, DAVID
merci d'avance, DAVID
Salut Vincent,
Oui, c'est possible. Mais si on ajoute le temps de faire des courses et les pleins à Kasane, ça fait quand même un sacrée grosse journée !
@David Oui, bien sûr j'ai déjà voyagé dans la région. Et avec mes enfants. Lien dans ma signature. Mais jamais dans des conditions si précaires que celles que tu envisages. Je n'ai pas le temps de développer maintenant, mais j'y reviendrai.
@David Oui, bien sûr j'ai déjà voyagé dans la région. Et avec mes enfants. Lien dans ma signature. Mais jamais dans des conditions si précaires que celles que tu envisages. Je n'ai pas le temps de développer maintenant, mais j'y reviendrai.
Bonjour David,
Je ne lis pas que tu aies répondu à la question de l'expérience de la conduite d'un 4x4: qu'en est-il? Et quid de ton niveau d'information des comportements ad'hoc en cas de difficultés dans un coin reculé?
Deux ou trois réflexions de ta part font un peu peur de la part de quelqu'un qui va embarquer une famille, dont deux jeunes enfants, dans le désert:
nous partons pour la première fois pour un tel voyage, mais aimons l'aventure et pour ce qui est de ne pas se laver tout les jours et bien on avisera
Il est probable que l'aventure ne soit pas dans l'absence de salle de bain, en effet.
alors coûte que coûte nous ne reculerons pas malgré les difficultés que nous allons surement rencontrer
Il est possible que les difficultés ne te laissent pas le choix et que tu ne puisses même pas reculer, quand bien même tu le voudrais.
Justement parce que tu rêves du Botswana depuis quinze, veille à ne pas en faire un cauchemar.
Sous réserve de ta réponse aux deux premières questions, si vous maintenez les choses en l'état, je te recommande de louer un téléphone satellite.
Je ne lis pas que tu aies répondu à la question de l'expérience de la conduite d'un 4x4: qu'en est-il? Et quid de ton niveau d'information des comportements ad'hoc en cas de difficultés dans un coin reculé?
Deux ou trois réflexions de ta part font un peu peur de la part de quelqu'un qui va embarquer une famille, dont deux jeunes enfants, dans le désert:
nous partons pour la première fois pour un tel voyage, mais aimons l'aventure et pour ce qui est de ne pas se laver tout les jours et bien on avisera
Il est probable que l'aventure ne soit pas dans l'absence de salle de bain, en effet.
alors coûte que coûte nous ne reculerons pas malgré les difficultés que nous allons surement rencontrer
Il est possible que les difficultés ne te laissent pas le choix et que tu ne puisses même pas reculer, quand bien même tu le voudrais.
Justement parce que tu rêves du Botswana depuis quinze, veille à ne pas en faire un cauchemar.
Sous réserve de ta réponse aux deux premières questions, si vous maintenez les choses en l'état, je te recommande de louer un téléphone satellite.
salut David
oui le Botswana et notamment le parcours que tu envisages demande une grosse expérience de conduite d'un 4x4 dans un milieu difficile. En effet on passe dans l'eau, le sable profond, la boue, on se perd aussi et un des points les plus importants à mon sens et de bien connaitre le comportement des animaux. Certains n'en sont jamais revenus... Donc pour une première expérience, ce n'est pas forcément le meilleur pays à faire. Mais tu trouveras toujours des avis qui te diront que pour eux tout s'est bien passé et que c'est sans risque...
oui le Botswana et notamment le parcours que tu envisages demande une grosse expérience de conduite d'un 4x4 dans un milieu difficile. En effet on passe dans l'eau, le sable profond, la boue, on se perd aussi et un des points les plus importants à mon sens et de bien connaitre le comportement des animaux. Certains n'en sont jamais revenus... Donc pour une première expérience, ce n'est pas forcément le meilleur pays à faire. Mais tu trouveras toujours des avis qui te diront que pour eux tout s'est bien passé et que c'est sans risque...
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
@Pierre77N
nous sommes tout a fait conscient du caractère difficile que comporte ce voyage surtout avec des enfants de 13a et 9a. j'ai lu dans d'anciens post que tu avais fais quasiment le même parcours en 2010 avec tes enfants qui avaient à l'époque 10 et 12a ?non ? comment cela c’était il passé pour toi, avais tu de ton coté une grande et immense expérience de la conduit en 4x4 et des voyage en solo dans de tels conditions avant celui la? Notre voyage est prévu en Août 2014 et a priori les pistes sont toutefois "c'est relatif" un peu moins difficiles qu'en avril ou mai non ? Il est bien évident aussi que toutes les règles liées à la faune omniprésentes dans les parcs et partout d'ailleurs sont à scrupuleusement à respecter, mais ne nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron, c'est exclu y compris pour me filles qui sont tout a fait conscientes du danger d'un tel voyage. nous ne sommes pas stupides non plus, nous ne croyons pas non plus aller faire une ballade au zoo, la les animaux en cage ce sera nous et pas l'inverse et ça nous le savons. merci encore a tous de nous foutre la trouille "MDR" et surtout a ma femme........ DAVID
nous sommes tout a fait conscient du caractère difficile que comporte ce voyage surtout avec des enfants de 13a et 9a. j'ai lu dans d'anciens post que tu avais fais quasiment le même parcours en 2010 avec tes enfants qui avaient à l'époque 10 et 12a ?non ? comment cela c’était il passé pour toi, avais tu de ton coté une grande et immense expérience de la conduit en 4x4 et des voyage en solo dans de tels conditions avant celui la? Notre voyage est prévu en Août 2014 et a priori les pistes sont toutefois "c'est relatif" un peu moins difficiles qu'en avril ou mai non ? Il est bien évident aussi que toutes les règles liées à la faune omniprésentes dans les parcs et partout d'ailleurs sont à scrupuleusement à respecter, mais ne nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron, c'est exclu y compris pour me filles qui sont tout a fait conscientes du danger d'un tel voyage. nous ne sommes pas stupides non plus, nous ne croyons pas non plus aller faire une ballade au zoo, la les animaux en cage ce sera nous et pas l'inverse et ça nous le savons. merci encore a tous de nous foutre la trouille "MDR" et surtout a ma femme........ DAVID
mais ne nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas
de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron,
C'est pourtant ce que tu nous fais là!😕
C'est pourtant ce que tu nous fais là!😕
bon je vois que aucuns commentaires n'est constructifs en fait , ce qui est fort dommage quand même.
nous sommes venus ici pour avoir des retours de réels experiences sur le Botswana, de bons plans, de trucs a ne pas louper, etc.........mais rien de tout ca ici .
DOMMAGE bonne continuation à tous malgré tout. DAVID
DOMMAGE bonne continuation à tous malgré tout. DAVID
Cela t'ennuierait de répondre aux questions sur ton degré de préparation?
C'est ce que nous en devinons qui nous amène à t'alerter alors qu'à tous les trois nous cumulons, disons, une certaine expérience de ce milieu.
@Voyajou
non du tout, concernant mon expérience en 4x4 oui avons rouler pas mal en 4x4 mais pas en Afrique? Pour ce qui est de notre experience en solo, avons fait plusieurs randonnées en montagne declarées difficile voir quasi infaisable avec des enfants et sur plusieurs jours, aucunes comparaisons (montagne/botswana) avec ce voyage bien sur. mais tout ca pour dire qu'avec une bonne dose de serieux, de préparation et de respect des règles c'est raisonnable...... Je ne dis pas du tout que tout va etre rose et idyllique, il y a aura surement des passages compliqués et difficiles mais nous en sommes conscient.
non du tout, concernant mon expérience en 4x4 oui avons rouler pas mal en 4x4 mais pas en Afrique? Pour ce qui est de notre experience en solo, avons fait plusieurs randonnées en montagne declarées difficile voir quasi infaisable avec des enfants et sur plusieurs jours, aucunes comparaisons (montagne/botswana) avec ce voyage bien sur. mais tout ca pour dire qu'avec une bonne dose de serieux, de préparation et de respect des règles c'est raisonnable...... Je ne dis pas du tout que tout va etre rose et idyllique, il y a aura surement des passages compliqués et difficiles mais nous en sommes conscient.
C'est dommage que tu le prennes comme ça
C'est pas parce qu'on ne te dit pas ce que tu as envie d'entendre qu'il faut prendre ces conseils à la légère
Il est bien évident aussi que toutes les règles liées à la faune omniprésentes dans les parcs et partout d'ailleurs sont à scrupuleusement à respecter, mais ne nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron, c'est exclu y compris pour me filles qui sont tout a fait conscientes du danger d'un tel voyage. nous ne sommes pas stupides non plus, nous ne croyons pas non plus aller faire une ballade au zoo, la les animaux en cage ce sera nous et pas l'inverse et ça nous le savons. merci encore a tous de nous foutre la trouille "MDR" et surtout a ma femme........ DAVID
il n'est pas question de fanfaronner ou d'aller au zoo. Il faut bien avoir conscience que tu seras la plupart du temps au milieu du monde sauvage. Du vrai monde sauvage. Sauras tu quoi faire si tu es planté dans le sable et qu'un éléphant se secoue les oreilles 10 mètres devant toi ? pas question de randonnées à pied, mais que feras tu si tu te plantes dans le sable? il faudra bien passer un peu de temps en dehors de la voiture à pelleter.
il n'est pas question de te foutre la trouille mais de t'éclairer sur le caractère dangereux et irréalisable par certains points de ton projet. Maintenant chacun est libre...
et en juillet comme le souligne Pierre, c'est le top niveau du delta de l'Okavango. Moremi que tu comptes traverser est à ce moment là de l'année le plus difficile.
Il est bien évident aussi que toutes les règles liées à la faune omniprésentes dans les parcs et partout d'ailleurs sont à scrupuleusement à respecter, mais ne nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron, c'est exclu y compris pour me filles qui sont tout a fait conscientes du danger d'un tel voyage. nous ne sommes pas stupides non plus, nous ne croyons pas non plus aller faire une ballade au zoo, la les animaux en cage ce sera nous et pas l'inverse et ça nous le savons. merci encore a tous de nous foutre la trouille "MDR" et surtout a ma femme........ DAVID
il n'est pas question de fanfaronner ou d'aller au zoo. Il faut bien avoir conscience que tu seras la plupart du temps au milieu du monde sauvage. Du vrai monde sauvage. Sauras tu quoi faire si tu es planté dans le sable et qu'un éléphant se secoue les oreilles 10 mètres devant toi ? pas question de randonnées à pied, mais que feras tu si tu te plantes dans le sable? il faudra bien passer un peu de temps en dehors de la voiture à pelleter.
il n'est pas question de te foutre la trouille mais de t'éclairer sur le caractère dangereux et irréalisable par certains points de ton projet. Maintenant chacun est libre...
et en juillet comme le souligne Pierre, c'est le top niveau du delta de l'Okavango. Moremi que tu comptes traverser est à ce moment là de l'année le plus difficile.
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Salut David !
Comme tu cherches des conseils, voici les miens, exprimés en dehors de tout débat 😉 :
> Prévoir à l'avance ton itinéraire et les points de ravitaillement en essence et en nourriture, en prenant en compte la consommation de ton véhicule et le caractère assez aléatoire des stocks dans certaines stations essence. Comme le dit Pierre, la station de Rakops est connue pour ne pas être très fiable (par contre, on trouve quand même un peu à manger et de l'eau dans la "superette" à côté 😉). Il est toujours recommandé de faire le plein en nourriture, en eau (potable + réservoir du 4x4) et en essence dès que possible. Prendre éventuellement des bidons d'essence supplémentaires.
> Le téléphone satellite qu'évoque Voyajou est particulièrement approprié pour une première expérience. Mais il faut aussi avoir des numéros à appeler en cas de pépin. Si problème matériel, prendre le numéro des McKenzie à Maun qui viennent dépanner tout voyageur en panne partout dans les parcs. Trouver aussi les numéros de la police, des hôpitaux, de médecins et de toutes personnes ou organismes locaux susceptibles d'intervenir le plus vite possible. Il faut savoir que les rangers dans les parcs ont rarement les moyens de venir en aide aux touristes ... Préparer également une bonne trousse de premiers secours (faire la formation serait même un plus !)
> Etre vigilant, patient, respecter les règles des parcs nationaux et les animaux. Prévoir du temps entre chaque étape, voire des étapes intermédiaires, et un itinéraire pas trop ambitieux. Demander systématiquement aux rangers et aux autres voyageurs comment sont les routes qu'on envisage de prendre. Discuter au camp de l'itinéraire du lendemain avec ses voisins ... Discuter au lodge, à l'hôtel .. dès que l'occasion se présente !
> Sur place, renoncer à une route ou à une étape si on le sent pas 😉
Voilà ce qui me vient déjà à l'esprit ...
Comme tu cherches des conseils, voici les miens, exprimés en dehors de tout débat 😉 :
> Prévoir à l'avance ton itinéraire et les points de ravitaillement en essence et en nourriture, en prenant en compte la consommation de ton véhicule et le caractère assez aléatoire des stocks dans certaines stations essence. Comme le dit Pierre, la station de Rakops est connue pour ne pas être très fiable (par contre, on trouve quand même un peu à manger et de l'eau dans la "superette" à côté 😉). Il est toujours recommandé de faire le plein en nourriture, en eau (potable + réservoir du 4x4) et en essence dès que possible. Prendre éventuellement des bidons d'essence supplémentaires.
> Le téléphone satellite qu'évoque Voyajou est particulièrement approprié pour une première expérience. Mais il faut aussi avoir des numéros à appeler en cas de pépin. Si problème matériel, prendre le numéro des McKenzie à Maun qui viennent dépanner tout voyageur en panne partout dans les parcs. Trouver aussi les numéros de la police, des hôpitaux, de médecins et de toutes personnes ou organismes locaux susceptibles d'intervenir le plus vite possible. Il faut savoir que les rangers dans les parcs ont rarement les moyens de venir en aide aux touristes ... Préparer également une bonne trousse de premiers secours (faire la formation serait même un plus !)
> Etre vigilant, patient, respecter les règles des parcs nationaux et les animaux. Prévoir du temps entre chaque étape, voire des étapes intermédiaires, et un itinéraire pas trop ambitieux. Demander systématiquement aux rangers et aux autres voyageurs comment sont les routes qu'on envisage de prendre. Discuter au camp de l'itinéraire du lendemain avec ses voisins ... Discuter au lodge, à l'hôtel .. dès que l'occasion se présente !
> Sur place, renoncer à une route ou à une étape si on le sent pas 😉
Voilà ce qui me vient déjà à l'esprit ...
Un grand merci a toi pour ces conseils, voila ce que l'on peut appeler un
echange d'expériences
Nan mais je rêve! Quelle arrogance!😠 (puisse l'Afrique t'apprendre l'humilité, mais il y a du boulot!) Au passage il s'agit au mieux de partage d'expérience, pas d'échange, hein!
Si le message de Sitaelle (pardon, Miss Baobab😉) t'a appris quelque chose nous avions toutes les raisons de nous inquiéter quant au périple que tu envisages dans cet état d'impréparation.
Nan mais je rêve! Quelle arrogance!😠 (puisse l'Afrique t'apprendre l'humilité, mais il y a du boulot!) Au passage il s'agit au mieux de partage d'expérience, pas d'échange, hein!
Si le message de Sitaelle (pardon, Miss Baobab😉) t'a appris quelque chose nous avions toutes les raisons de nous inquiéter quant au périple que tu envisages dans cet état d'impréparation.
nous qui avons déjà voyagé ailleurs mais jamais en solo et en Afrique.
Je voyage en duo et j'en suis bientôt à mon huitième séjour en Afrique australe.
Je n'envisagerais pas ni demain, ni après demain un parcours comme le votre.
Mon conjoint comme moi-même sommes des billes en mécanique automobile (Notre science s'arrête au changement de la roue de notre propre véhicule car nous le connaissons...) et en conduite 4X4 (La rocaille, ça va. Le sable et l'eau, non merci). Or, dans les parcs du Botswana, il faut savoir se débrouiller seul en milieu hostile ou avoir la patiente (et l'eau) d'attendre un autre véhicule qui n'apparaitra que quelques jours plus tard...
Nous avons appris à nous méfier de certains animaux (L'éléphant est redoutable et il y en a de nombreux au Botswana...) mais notre science s'arrête en journée et dans l'abri de notre voiture ou de notre bungalow.
Le Botswana en équipée sauvage est plutôt réservé aux personnes expérimentées comme celles qui vous ont déjà répondu ou à un convoi moins expérimenté dont le nombre de véhicules (2 par exemple) compensera la méconnaissance du terrain.
Pourquoi ne tenteriez vous pas plutôt une première expérience en Afrique du Sud (c'est le plus facile) ou en Namibie ?
Ou bien alors un voyage qui mêlerait voyage en solo et voyage accompagné au Botswana ?
Je voyage en duo et j'en suis bientôt à mon huitième séjour en Afrique australe.
Je n'envisagerais pas ni demain, ni après demain un parcours comme le votre.
Mon conjoint comme moi-même sommes des billes en mécanique automobile (Notre science s'arrête au changement de la roue de notre propre véhicule car nous le connaissons...) et en conduite 4X4 (La rocaille, ça va. Le sable et l'eau, non merci). Or, dans les parcs du Botswana, il faut savoir se débrouiller seul en milieu hostile ou avoir la patiente (et l'eau) d'attendre un autre véhicule qui n'apparaitra que quelques jours plus tard...
Nous avons appris à nous méfier de certains animaux (L'éléphant est redoutable et il y en a de nombreux au Botswana...) mais notre science s'arrête en journée et dans l'abri de notre voiture ou de notre bungalow.
Le Botswana en équipée sauvage est plutôt réservé aux personnes expérimentées comme celles qui vous ont déjà répondu ou à un convoi moins expérimenté dont le nombre de véhicules (2 par exemple) compensera la méconnaissance du terrain.
Pourquoi ne tenteriez vous pas plutôt une première expérience en Afrique du Sud (c'est le plus facile) ou en Namibie ?
Ou bien alors un voyage qui mêlerait voyage en solo et voyage accompagné au Botswana ?
Salut,
avais tu de ton coté une grande et immense expérience de la conduit en 4x4 et des voyage en solo dans de tels conditions avant celui la?
Pourquoi ce ton moqueur et déplaisant ? Nous étions 3 véhicules et les 3 familles étaient expérimentées (France, Europe, Turquie, Afrique du Nord, Islande, Namibie...). Plusieurs véhicules pour ce genre de voyage ça change vraiment, mais vraiment tout question sécurité. Par exemple, si tu as lu mon carnet de voyage, tu as du voir qu'un des 4x4 s'était planté dans la boue jusqu'au châssis près de la Khwaï river. Sans l'aide d'un autre véhicule et d'une sangle, il y en avait pour plusieurs heures à pelleter dans la boue au milieu des bêtes sauvages...
nous sommes venus ici pour avoir des retours de réels experiences sur le Botswana, de bons plans, de trucs a ne pas louper, etc.........mais rien de tout ca ici .
Ah bon ? Et comment appelles-tu les réponses que tu as reçues ? Je t'ai cité un incontournable selon moi : Chobe River Cruise, ça n'a pas semblé t'intéresser du tout. Pourtant... Le téléphone satellite conseillé par Voyajou, sans intérêt ? Les mises en gardes argumentées, bidon ?
nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron
C'est bien une des questions... Qu'allez-vous faire de vos filles justement ? Enfermées dans la voiture une bonne partie de la journée et cloisonnées dans quelques mètres carrés autour de la voiture une fois arrivés au camp (pas question de s'éloigner dans le bush !) ... Je suis bien placé pour savoir que la pression monte assez vite dans la cocotte et qu'il faut des distractions, une variété au voyage. Un tour en bateau ici, une balade à pied là (possible à Tsodilo Hills par exemple), une après-midi piscine (même si en août elles sont froides), des rencontres humaines. Bien sûr que l'idée d'un tel voyage les excite, évidemment ! Mais sur place, c'est parfois une autre paire de manches... Ne pas oublier non plus que la moyenne sur beaucoup de pistes est autour de 30 km/h. Tu te dis 200 bornes, c'est rien ! Et tu y passes 6 ou 7 heures...
avons fait plusieurs randonnées en montagne declarées difficile voir quasi infaisable avec des enfants et sur plusieurs jours
Ça demande sans doute une condition extraordinaire (que je n'ai pas, mais les randos en montagne, je te les laisse !). Les contraintes pour 14 jours seuls en 4x4 au Botswana en ne sortant quasiment pas des parcs nationaux n'ont rien à voir. Le problème n'est pas de se trouver face à une difficulté à surmonter physiquement. Si un éléphant vous charge, que tu sois fort ou pas, il faut trouver vite la marche arrière et éviter de t'ensabler !
concernant mon expérience en 4x4 oui avons rouler pas mal en 4x4 mais pas en Afrique
Décidément, tu ne veux pas nous en dire beaucoup... Parce que pas grand chose à dire ? Es-tu un 4x4eux qui passe ses week-end dans la boue avec son véhicule préparé. Un utilisateur de SUV pour emmener les filles à l'école et faire 3 kms de chemin pour aller pique-niquer ? Aucun des deux ? Ce n'est pas un interrogatoire, c'est pour t'imaginer sur une piste de Moremi ou du CKGR... Pour ce type de voyage le 4x4 est un outil extraordinaire, mais un outil dont il faut connaître le fonctionnement et le maniement. Tous les 4x4 ne se valent pas. Un Hilux 2.5 sans préparation aucune est trop peu puissant et trop bas, il frottera partout et se plantera facilement. Un 3.0 préparé, c'est mieux. Mais si tu ne sais pas t'en servir, il ne t'avancera pas beaucoup plus. Avec le même véhicule certains passent partout, d'autres passent leur temps à pelleter. C'est en forgeant qu'on devient forgeron, mais le Botswana au milieu des bêtes sauvages n'est sans doute pas le meilleur terrain pour apprendre à forger. Faites au moins un stage de conduite dans le sable et de "recovery" avant !
tout ca pour dire qu'avec une bonne dose de serieux, de préparation et de respect des règles c'est raisonnable
Quelles règles ? Tu les connais ? Non, au départ et à ton niveau de connaissance ça ne l'est pas du tout, raisonnable. Ça peut sans doute le devenir un peu plus (surtout si vous trouviez une autre famille pour vous accompagner - et c'est très sympa autour du feu avec des amis), mais pourquoi ne pas vouloir écouter ?
Lis aussi. Pas en français, il n'y a pas grand chose d'intéressant, mais déjà le Bradt Botswana (en anglais), vous apprendrez un peu de théorie avant de croiser vos premiers éléphants.
Tu peux aussi t'inscrire et aller soumettre ton projet de voyage là : http://www.4x4community.co.za/...rumdisplay.php?... Je crois que j'imagine déjà un peu les réponses... Entre autre, que vous voulez faire en 14 jours tous les parcs qui demandent plusieurs voyages sur plusieurs années à la plupart des gens.
Et peut-être répondras-tu à cette question ?... D'où te viens ce rêve de Botswana depuis des années ? C'est plutôt atypique. Beaucoup le découvrent après la Namibie qui est plus évidente pour aborder la région et aussi plus spectaculaire au premier abord.
avais tu de ton coté une grande et immense expérience de la conduit en 4x4 et des voyage en solo dans de tels conditions avant celui la?
Pourquoi ce ton moqueur et déplaisant ? Nous étions 3 véhicules et les 3 familles étaient expérimentées (France, Europe, Turquie, Afrique du Nord, Islande, Namibie...). Plusieurs véhicules pour ce genre de voyage ça change vraiment, mais vraiment tout question sécurité. Par exemple, si tu as lu mon carnet de voyage, tu as du voir qu'un des 4x4 s'était planté dans la boue jusqu'au châssis près de la Khwaï river. Sans l'aide d'un autre véhicule et d'une sangle, il y en avait pour plusieurs heures à pelleter dans la boue au milieu des bêtes sauvages...
nous sommes venus ici pour avoir des retours de réels experiences sur le Botswana, de bons plans, de trucs a ne pas louper, etc.........mais rien de tout ca ici .
Ah bon ? Et comment appelles-tu les réponses que tu as reçues ? Je t'ai cité un incontournable selon moi : Chobe River Cruise, ça n'a pas semblé t'intéresser du tout. Pourtant... Le téléphone satellite conseillé par Voyajou, sans intérêt ? Les mises en gardes argumentées, bidon ?
nous comptons pas non plus faire de randos à pied, je vous rassure, pas de sorties nocturnes, pas de baignades et bien sur pas faire le fanfaron
C'est bien une des questions... Qu'allez-vous faire de vos filles justement ? Enfermées dans la voiture une bonne partie de la journée et cloisonnées dans quelques mètres carrés autour de la voiture une fois arrivés au camp (pas question de s'éloigner dans le bush !) ... Je suis bien placé pour savoir que la pression monte assez vite dans la cocotte et qu'il faut des distractions, une variété au voyage. Un tour en bateau ici, une balade à pied là (possible à Tsodilo Hills par exemple), une après-midi piscine (même si en août elles sont froides), des rencontres humaines. Bien sûr que l'idée d'un tel voyage les excite, évidemment ! Mais sur place, c'est parfois une autre paire de manches... Ne pas oublier non plus que la moyenne sur beaucoup de pistes est autour de 30 km/h. Tu te dis 200 bornes, c'est rien ! Et tu y passes 6 ou 7 heures...
avons fait plusieurs randonnées en montagne declarées difficile voir quasi infaisable avec des enfants et sur plusieurs jours
Ça demande sans doute une condition extraordinaire (que je n'ai pas, mais les randos en montagne, je te les laisse !). Les contraintes pour 14 jours seuls en 4x4 au Botswana en ne sortant quasiment pas des parcs nationaux n'ont rien à voir. Le problème n'est pas de se trouver face à une difficulté à surmonter physiquement. Si un éléphant vous charge, que tu sois fort ou pas, il faut trouver vite la marche arrière et éviter de t'ensabler !
concernant mon expérience en 4x4 oui avons rouler pas mal en 4x4 mais pas en Afrique
Décidément, tu ne veux pas nous en dire beaucoup... Parce que pas grand chose à dire ? Es-tu un 4x4eux qui passe ses week-end dans la boue avec son véhicule préparé. Un utilisateur de SUV pour emmener les filles à l'école et faire 3 kms de chemin pour aller pique-niquer ? Aucun des deux ? Ce n'est pas un interrogatoire, c'est pour t'imaginer sur une piste de Moremi ou du CKGR... Pour ce type de voyage le 4x4 est un outil extraordinaire, mais un outil dont il faut connaître le fonctionnement et le maniement. Tous les 4x4 ne se valent pas. Un Hilux 2.5 sans préparation aucune est trop peu puissant et trop bas, il frottera partout et se plantera facilement. Un 3.0 préparé, c'est mieux. Mais si tu ne sais pas t'en servir, il ne t'avancera pas beaucoup plus. Avec le même véhicule certains passent partout, d'autres passent leur temps à pelleter. C'est en forgeant qu'on devient forgeron, mais le Botswana au milieu des bêtes sauvages n'est sans doute pas le meilleur terrain pour apprendre à forger. Faites au moins un stage de conduite dans le sable et de "recovery" avant !
tout ca pour dire qu'avec une bonne dose de serieux, de préparation et de respect des règles c'est raisonnable
Quelles règles ? Tu les connais ? Non, au départ et à ton niveau de connaissance ça ne l'est pas du tout, raisonnable. Ça peut sans doute le devenir un peu plus (surtout si vous trouviez une autre famille pour vous accompagner - et c'est très sympa autour du feu avec des amis), mais pourquoi ne pas vouloir écouter ?
Lis aussi. Pas en français, il n'y a pas grand chose d'intéressant, mais déjà le Bradt Botswana (en anglais), vous apprendrez un peu de théorie avant de croiser vos premiers éléphants.
Tu peux aussi t'inscrire et aller soumettre ton projet de voyage là : http://www.4x4community.co.za/...rumdisplay.php?... Je crois que j'imagine déjà un peu les réponses... Entre autre, que vous voulez faire en 14 jours tous les parcs qui demandent plusieurs voyages sur plusieurs années à la plupart des gens.
Et peut-être répondras-tu à cette question ?... D'où te viens ce rêve de Botswana depuis des années ? C'est plutôt atypique. Beaucoup le découvrent après la Namibie qui est plus évidente pour aborder la région et aussi plus spectaculaire au premier abord.
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
Hi everyone!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
hi
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
Hi there,
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
Hi,
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
hi there
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
