Voyage en Argentine et Bolivie
by Scheffer
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bonsoir a tous,
je pars avec mon ami pour la premiere fois en amerique du sud. nous avons un petit programme et nous aurions voulu avoir votre avis sur celui-ci en terme de temps et de faisabilité. Dites nous si nous loupons des incontournables: Nous partons un mois et souhaitons decouvrir agrentine et bolivie 4 jours à Buenos aires depart en bus ? pour salta et les velles calchaquies puis humahuaca depart uyuni le salar (3 4 jours): avez vous infos sur des agences ? puis La paz et le lac titicaca retour vers buenos aires avec des escales (nous pensions le faire en bus) peut on faire salta et les chutes d'igazu en bus?
Nous n'avons aucune idée des timing en terme de temps à rester sur place, en terme de transport.
Ce voyage vous parait il réalisable? pouvez vous nous renseigner sur les temps a rester sur les endroits.... Informez nous aussi si nous manquons des choses
que feriez vous en un mois en argentine bolivie vous?
un grand merci d'avance pour vos réponse qui nous serons d'une aide précieuse
carine et guillaume
c'est inutile de vouloir trop en voir en peu de temps...
Les trajets en bus sont long: salta buenos aires : 24h aller
uyuni salta: 10 h en train de nuit (minimum) + 7h pour arriver a salta depuis la frontière... sachant qu'à la frontière ça peut être long... et juste pour l'aller
Bref, remonter sur La Paz et lac Titicaca, ça vous promet un séjour où vous passerez la moitié du temps en bus sans exagérer... Sur un mois ça peut être chiant... Et en plus vous risuqez d'être juste niveau temps
Par contre, Vous pouvez faire: Bs As - Iguazu 24 h de bus (Iguazu vaut plus le coup que La Paz... Le lac Titicaca c'est très loin d'Uyuni) vous pouvez voir les chutes coté argentin et coté brésilien... Par contre, commencez par le coté brésilien si vous faites les 2... Très beau panorama sur toutes les chutes mais moins impréssionant que coté argentin/ 2/3 jours en fonction des bus Iguazu - Tucuman 24 de bus Tucuman - Cafayate - Salta - Humahuaca : ca vaut le coup de passer au moins une semaine là bas, c'est superbe, notamment la Quebrada de Cafayate (d'un bout à l'autre: 7 à 10 h de bus...) puis le Salar.... long en bus/train de puis Salta... compter 4 jours depuis Uyuni Bs As... passez y qlqs jours, c'est très chouette. Moi j'aime beaucoup et pourtant je ne suis pas du tout citadine
N'oubliez pas que si vous faites l'aller, il faut faire aussi le retour.... Uyuni Bs As ==> 3 jours de trajets avec une nuit à Salta
Au delà, ça fait trop je pense. Les distances sont longues. Laissez vous qlqs jours de marge au cas où vous auriez un coup de coeur/ une envie impulsive et pour ne pas être trop serré sur le timing... Ca vaut pas le coup. D'autant qu'en Bolivie, le bus de 14h peut partir à 16h... Et que les routes sont parfois bloquées des heures entières... Vous pouvez aussi prendre l'avion mais bon...... bilan/carbone très très élevé... à vous de voir ce que vous voulez privilégier. Je suis plutôt contre les gens qui font 5-6 trajets en avion sur un mois... Et c'est beaucoup plus cher
Bref, remonter sur La Paz et lac Titicaca, ça vous promet un séjour où vous passerez la moitié du temps en bus sans exagérer... Sur un mois ça peut être chiant... Et en plus vous risuqez d'être juste niveau temps
Par contre, Vous pouvez faire: Bs As - Iguazu 24 h de bus (Iguazu vaut plus le coup que La Paz... Le lac Titicaca c'est très loin d'Uyuni) vous pouvez voir les chutes coté argentin et coté brésilien... Par contre, commencez par le coté brésilien si vous faites les 2... Très beau panorama sur toutes les chutes mais moins impréssionant que coté argentin/ 2/3 jours en fonction des bus Iguazu - Tucuman 24 de bus Tucuman - Cafayate - Salta - Humahuaca : ca vaut le coup de passer au moins une semaine là bas, c'est superbe, notamment la Quebrada de Cafayate (d'un bout à l'autre: 7 à 10 h de bus...) puis le Salar.... long en bus/train de puis Salta... compter 4 jours depuis Uyuni Bs As... passez y qlqs jours, c'est très chouette. Moi j'aime beaucoup et pourtant je ne suis pas du tout citadine
N'oubliez pas que si vous faites l'aller, il faut faire aussi le retour.... Uyuni Bs As ==> 3 jours de trajets avec une nuit à Salta
Au delà, ça fait trop je pense. Les distances sont longues. Laissez vous qlqs jours de marge au cas où vous auriez un coup de coeur/ une envie impulsive et pour ne pas être trop serré sur le timing... Ca vaut pas le coup. D'autant qu'en Bolivie, le bus de 14h peut partir à 16h... Et que les routes sont parfois bloquées des heures entières... Vous pouvez aussi prendre l'avion mais bon...... bilan/carbone très très élevé... à vous de voir ce que vous voulez privilégier. Je suis plutôt contre les gens qui font 5-6 trajets en avion sur un mois... Et c'est beaucoup plus cher
Il n'est jamais trop tard pour bien faire.
que feriez vous en un mois en argentine bolivie vous?
Je choisirais l'un ou l'autre mais pas les deux. 1 mois dans le NOA + Iguazu + Bsas (A/R) c'est deja pas mal d'heures de transport ... Tu peux me croire j'ai traverse 8 fois l'Argentine d'est en ouest, mais sur 7 mois ... La Bolivie de Tajira a Copacabana m'a pris 1 mois par contre.
Je choisirais l'un ou l'autre mais pas les deux. 1 mois dans le NOA + Iguazu + Bsas (A/R) c'est deja pas mal d'heures de transport ... Tu peux me croire j'ai traverse 8 fois l'Argentine d'est en ouest, mais sur 7 mois ... La Bolivie de Tajira a Copacabana m'a pris 1 mois par contre.
Hello !
Une petite indication s'agissant des prix et timing : avec mon amie, nous avons fait en avril : Bs-As (dont El tigre, Colonia en Uruguay), Salta et la boucle Cachi et Cafayate en 15 jours, tranquillement.. dont 8 à Bs-As.. !
Par contre, je te conseillerais de faire Bs-As/Salta, en avion (2 heures de vol, A/R : environ 190 euros, mais tu gagnes du temps et tu es moins fatigué)..
Je pense que Salta vaut au moins 3 jours, car la ville est belle et si tu arrives un samedi, tu peux tomber sur la relève de la garde à cheval, moment très apprécié par les habitants (ils "ont de la gueule" les gauchos avec leurs tenues blanches, leurs ponchos rouges et leurs éperons). Il faut aussi prendre le téléphérique pour avoir une superbe vue de Salta depuis le Cerro San Bernardo.. Et surtout goûter à la viande !! Je te conseille entre autres, le restaurant "El monumental".. délicieux. Et le vin, qui vaut bien le français. Mais attention, il peut frôler allègrement les 14° ! Un verre suffira ! Si tu tombes en plus, sur la fête rurale avec le rassemblement des gauchos des environs, tu vas faire des portraits véridiques ! Comme en plus, ils sont très fiers, mais aussi très sympas.. Pas de problèmes pour prendre de belles photos.
Pour faire le tour.. Salta, Cachi, Cafayate, il faut au minimum 3 jours pour bien savourer le paysage, pouvoir t'arrêter là où tu veux pour flasher un maximum !! Tu vas en prendre plein les yeux..
Par contre, la petite ville de Colonia, en Uruguay mérite moins le détour.. La partie "ville ancienne-musée" est beaucoup moins authentique.. déserte de ses habitants, sauf des touristes et des commerçants de bibelots, "made in..."
Si tu veux faire plus, en partant vers la Bolivie, il te faudra "perdre" le moins de temps dans les transports.. Donc forcément prévoir un budget plus important, en prenant l'avion...
Bon voyage.. Stéphane
Une petite indication s'agissant des prix et timing : avec mon amie, nous avons fait en avril : Bs-As (dont El tigre, Colonia en Uruguay), Salta et la boucle Cachi et Cafayate en 15 jours, tranquillement.. dont 8 à Bs-As.. !
Par contre, je te conseillerais de faire Bs-As/Salta, en avion (2 heures de vol, A/R : environ 190 euros, mais tu gagnes du temps et tu es moins fatigué)..
Je pense que Salta vaut au moins 3 jours, car la ville est belle et si tu arrives un samedi, tu peux tomber sur la relève de la garde à cheval, moment très apprécié par les habitants (ils "ont de la gueule" les gauchos avec leurs tenues blanches, leurs ponchos rouges et leurs éperons). Il faut aussi prendre le téléphérique pour avoir une superbe vue de Salta depuis le Cerro San Bernardo.. Et surtout goûter à la viande !! Je te conseille entre autres, le restaurant "El monumental".. délicieux. Et le vin, qui vaut bien le français. Mais attention, il peut frôler allègrement les 14° ! Un verre suffira ! Si tu tombes en plus, sur la fête rurale avec le rassemblement des gauchos des environs, tu vas faire des portraits véridiques ! Comme en plus, ils sont très fiers, mais aussi très sympas.. Pas de problèmes pour prendre de belles photos.
Pour faire le tour.. Salta, Cachi, Cafayate, il faut au minimum 3 jours pour bien savourer le paysage, pouvoir t'arrêter là où tu veux pour flasher un maximum !! Tu vas en prendre plein les yeux..
Par contre, la petite ville de Colonia, en Uruguay mérite moins le détour.. La partie "ville ancienne-musée" est beaucoup moins authentique.. déserte de ses habitants, sauf des touristes et des commerçants de bibelots, "made in..."
Si tu veux faire plus, en partant vers la Bolivie, il te faudra "perdre" le moins de temps dans les transports.. Donc forcément prévoir un budget plus important, en prenant l'avion...
Bon voyage.. Stéphane
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Je n'ai par contre rien à te dire sur la partie hors argentine. Je ne connais pas.
Sur Salta il te faut au moins 5 jours. C'est un minimum pour faire le nord ( vers Humahuaca) et le sud sur Cafayate
Il me semble très fastidieux de revenir de la Bolivie jusqu'a B Aires en bus...pourtant je suis adepte des bus mais c'est énorme!
Nicole
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I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks





