Another side of my trip to Thailand: Villages, nature, countryside, mountains...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I just looked at the same photos side by side on my computer and on VF, and when I see them next to each other, the transfer to VF definitely darkened them. It’s a color calibration issue... I also notice that on photography sites, no one has ever pointed out or criticized my photos for being too dark...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Same thing in restaurants when you clearly ask for no spice; half the time that instruction gets lost between ordering and the dishes arriving. They really don’t understand that we want to eat bland food (which just means as long as it doesn’t burn your mouth).

That’s a whole other topic... If you don’t like spicy food, you shouldn’t go to local restaurants. There are plenty of "tourist" places that serve a so-called local cuisine, completely watered down. Especially in big hotels. Often, my guests ask me to cook them a typical Indian dish, and then they complain it’s spicy... So don’t ask me for a typical Indian dish. It’d be the same if an Indian asked me to cook a duck dish from the southwest, with coconut oil because they don’t like duck fat...😉 And anyway, it’s not up to locals to adapt their lifestyle and cuisine to tourists, but for tourists to adapt to local life and cuisine...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Check out Songsam’s photos at the top of the page and compare them to yours. After that, is there some obscure reason why it wouldn’t have been clear? 😛
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
I had attached a map of the route. It was very clear and well explained.

I laughed when I read that sentence...

Thais are TERRIBLE at geography: - They know the names of the biggest cities but can't place more than 2 (and even then, poorly) on a blank map of the country (tested multiple times). - When it comes to smaller towns, they only know the names of some in their home province (but still can't locate them). - As for the geography of other countries, it's even worse (firsthand experience: asked about twenty people at once, "Name some British cities." Only two answers: "Arsenal, Manchester United..."). And it doesn't get better with Asian geography, not even neighboring countries. - They can't estimate distances. - And finally, to come back to your sentence, they can't read a map—not even a city plan.

the famous "Orchid and Butterfly Farm"

Not "the" but "one of the many" that line this road, which is largely dedicated to mass tourism. You also missed one of the "snake farms" and other "elephants at work farms" along the way. Bummer, you’ll have to go back...
SO Songsam Veteran ·
He drives at 50 km/h, sometimes even slower, even in built-up areas, even when he’s on the four-lane highway—he was going 50. So I figure he either rented this car himself or borrowed it for the occasion... and he’s afraid of damaging it. Maybe he hasn’t had his license for long?

Maybe he wasn’t going fast because he was learning to drive? Because in Thailand, getting a license is just a formality—no requirement to go through a driving school, no real test to pass. Once you’ve got that card, you learn on the job, by yourself. I remember a friend in Kanchanaburi province who I went camping with for a weekend, about sixty kilometers away. She never went over 30 km/h, so I finally asked her: "Why are you driving so slowly?" "Because I’m learning," she said. There was a long line of cars and trucks waiting behind us, but no one seemed to mind or tried to overtake—everyone, including my friend, was totally zen.
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I laughed reading that sentence...

Thais are TERRIBLE at geography: - They know the names of the biggest cities but can’t place more than 2 (and even then, badly) on a blank map of the country (tested multiple times). - When it comes to smaller towns, they only know the names of some in the province where they live (but still can’t locate them). - As for the geography of other countries, it’s even worse (experienced firsthand: asked about 20 people at once, "name some British cities." Only two answers: "Arsenal, Manchester United..."). And it doesn’t get better with Asian geography, not even with neighboring countries. - They can’t estimate distances. - And finally, to come back to your point, they can’t read a map—even a city plan.

I didn’t express myself well... The map was just so he could see the route made a circle around the mountain. I’d drawn it in red. It wasn’t meant for him to follow the road on the map... Indians can’t read maps either... or thermometers... Even a doctor once asked me, after seeing an (atmospheric) thermometer in my things, what it was and how it worked... But you know, one of my friends who travels often to America tells me the exact same thing. Outside their own area, Americans don’t know anything about geography. They can’t tell France from Germany or Spain, and they don’t know where Paris... or Beijing or Delhi is.

Not "the" but "one of many" along this route, which is largely dedicated to mass tourism. You also missed one of the "snake farms" and other "elephants at work farms" along the way. Bummer—you’ll have to go back...

I chose this route for the mountains and villages, not for snakes or elephants, as you seem to think... But if some travelers enjoy seeing elephants or snakes, that’s their choice, and personally, I don’t mock them even if I don’t do the same. And no matter what you think, I didn’t see a single tourist on that road... I know, I didn’t follow your advice—it’s not nice to ignore the tips from "insiders"... There are others who aren’t happy that I followed their advice but didn’t gush with praise about what I saw and visited... We’ve known from the start that I titled my travel journal badly. I should’ve called it: *The trip to Thailand of an old, bad photographer, stupid, stubborn, and obstinate guy.*😎 But my failures, mistakes, and various difficulties (numerous?) due to health and old age might still be an interesting share for travelers who, like me, don’t realize they’re no longer spring chickens and would be better off not leaving France—or even their homes.[;]
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
He drives at 50 km/h, sometimes even less, even in built-up areas, even when he’s on the four-lane highway—he was still going 50. So I figure he either rented this car himself or borrowed it for the occasion... and he’s afraid of damaging it. Maybe he hasn’t had his license for long?

Maybe he wasn’t going fast because he was learning to drive? Because in Thailand, the license is just a formality—no requirement to go through a driving school, no real test to pass, and once you’ve got that card, you learn on the job, by yourself. I remember a friend in Kanchanaburi province I went camping with for a weekend, about sixty kilometers away. She never went over 30 km/h, so I finally asked her: "Why are you driving so slowly?" "Because I’m learning." A whole long line of cars and trucks were waiting behind her, but no one seemed to mind or overtake—everyone, including my friend, was totally zen.

But it got me thinking!
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
This part of your story really makes me feel better about my own desire to visit Thailand someday! I loved those landscape photos from your route starting in Chiang Mai.

When you’ve had the chance to drag your boots through Himachal Pradesh, Ladakh, Zanskar, Lahaul, and Spiti, you know what ‘breathtaking’ really means—and after that, you get pretty picky about landscapes that truly take your breath away.

I feel exactly the same way! I often say that after seeing the otherworldly landscapes of Ladakh, it takes a lot to impress me when it comes to scenery!

The setting, deep in nature, and the sacred feel of these little houses remind me a bit of the Ayyanar gods and horses in Tamil Nadu.

Hey! That’s exactly what flashed through my mind in an instant when I saw the photos—even before reading this part. It gives off the same peaceful, mysterious vibe, like you’re almost intruding on the quiet of these sacred places that seem to exist on their own, without human intervention.
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
This part of your story makes me feel a little better about my own desire to visit Thailand someday! I really loved those landscape photos from your circuit starting in Chiang Mai.

It’s so funny you say that because I’m actually doing the exact opposite right now. The more I write, the more I read the replies on my travel journal and others’, the more I feel like Thailand just isn’t the country for me. And I’m already looking for another place to land after my 90 days in India if I can’t find a really nice spot to settle in Thailand for a month. I think, despite the cold, I’ll head back to Nepal instead of Thailand… And I was just thinking about what you said about Thailand, but also Christelle and Anne, and someone else—I can’t remember who—who’s a big India fan, but especially Christelle. I can’t find her message, but I remember it, and I agree with her: after the warmth of the Indians, despite their curiosity, their lies, their cunning, I feel the indifference and the so-called “zen” side of the Thais as a real coldness. And even that sanitized vibe everywhere for tourists compared to the chaos of India.
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
Let’s just say I don’t think Thailand is my kind of country either, but this part of the trip is making me want it more.
GA Gaura Veteran ·
You’ve mentioned "small temples" near houses several times. These are "spirit houses," remnants of animist beliefs. They’re installed at eye level, close to the building they protect, and must never be cast in the building’s shadow. Their installation involves a ceremony with a monk. Their value should be proportional to the owner’s wealth—you’ll see some magnificent ones near Bangkok’s high-rises. When a house is demolished, its spirit house is moved to a sort of cemetery with others, which is what you saw in the countryside near Chiang Mai. You can find most of the info about these spirit houses on Wikipedia!
gaura
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
You mentioned "small temples" near houses several times. These are "spirit houses," remnants of animist beliefs. They are installed at eye level, close to the building they protect, and must not be cast in shadow by the structure. Their installation involves a ceremony with a monk. Their value should be proportional to the owner's wealth, and you can see magnificent ones near buildings in Bangkok. When a house is destroyed, its "spirit house" is moved with others to a sort of cemetery—that’s what you saw in the countryside near Chiang Mai. You can find most of the information about these spirit houses on Wikipedia!

I was really hoping someone would provide some info, and I appreciate you doing it in such detail. Based on what the driver told me in the few English words he managed to say, I understood it had something to do with the deceased, but I wasn’t going to risk saying anything random. I did see some stunning ones in front of large, wealthy buildings. At first, I wanted to make a sort of photo collection of these little temples because I think they’re really pretty, but I gave up—there were too many...😉
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I can't edit/complete my previous message (the evening bug !😉) so I'll say it here. Some seemed well-maintained with fresh paint, flowers, offerings, etc... but most were completely abandoned, neglected, even broken, vandalized... overgrown with weeds and vines...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Some seemed well-maintained with fresh paint, flowers, offerings, etc... but most were completely abandoned, neglected, even broken, vandalized... overgrown with weeds and vines...

Most of the time, you can't build without this kind of protection on the land. Because they're as superstitious as they are animist. Offerings are regularly made to ensure effectiveness (often fruit or a bottle of Fanta). If you see a drawing on the ceiling of the front part of a car, it means it’s also been blessed by monks.

Unfortunately, despite all these precautions, it sometimes happens that a house or building becomes haunted... because they’re also terribly afraid of Pii, the spirits. That’s why some large buildings in Bangkok are completely abandoned and not even demolished. We’re talking about huge 30-story structures here...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I’m really sorry for taking so long between posts. I haven’t been feeling great—I’m so tired I don’t even have the energy to write this follow-up. Every day I tell myself, "tomorrow," like the Indians! 🤷‍♂️

I’d planned to visit Wat Sri Saphan (the Silver Temple) during my first few days in Chiang Mai. But as everyone knows, you can’t always do what you’ve planned when you’re traveling… When I finally managed to get there, the ticket booth was so crowded—entry to this temple is paid—that I left right away. An older monk, seeing my disappointed face, approached me. He thought I didn’t want to pay and started explaining why the fee was justified. - It’s not about the money… There are just too many people. - Then come early in the morning or on a Saturday evening. This kind monk wanted to chat. I told him I was Buddhist. I should’ve kept quiet because when I mentioned I was a "Tibetan" Buddhist, he seemed to tense up a little. And it’s hard to explain to a Thai person that you can be Buddhist by conviction while keeping some distance, without spending your week (or even your day) in prayers, devotions, and prostrations. He advised me to come back on a Saturday evening because that’s when a special religious service takes place. He also told me that young boys perform traditional dances in front of the temple and that I should encourage them. Then he added mischievously: - And you won’t find as many tourists because the Saturday Night Market is right next door, and that’s where most of them go.

So today, February 15th, I *have* to go tonight since it’s my last Saturday in Chiang Mai.

I’m so exhausted from my morning escapade—more on that in another post—that there’s no way I’m walking there this time, even after resting for two hours in my room. At 5 PM, I call a Grab car. I immediately recognize the driver’s distinctive voice. I’d had him recently for a ride. Even though the fare is set by Grab (like Uber), he asked me what price I wanted to pay. - I don’t understand… I want to pay the price that was displayed for the ride. 😅 He tripled it! I told him there was no way I’d pay three times the official Grab price. He hung up on me. 😤

Same scenario today. He doesn’t ask how much I want to pay. Instead, he announces 95 baht right away—30 baht more than the Grab fare. I’m not going to waste energy arguing over… 1 €, even if I don’t like this mindset that many people have. First, because I don’t like the idea of treating tourists like cash cows, and second, because proportionally, it’s a lot more. It’s like a taxi in France charging 45 € for a 15 € ride.

- I’ll drop you off at the market entrance because there’s the Saturday Night Market, and you can’t drive all the way to the temple. The street is blocked. - Yes, yes, I know… But I didn’t remember the distance. You have to walk a long way through the crowd to reach the Silver Temple. Even though it’s still early—barely 5:30 PM—you have to weave through this bustling, gesticulating anthill. People walk slowly, switch sides, stop at a stall, then suddenly head to the one across the way. You have to dodge peanut cones and other greasy snacks, not to mention the smoothie cups or ice cream cones they’re holding carelessly, dripping onto your arm or shoulder. They bump into each other and bump into me. - What’s up with this guy trying to walk so fast? And *bam*—I get an elbow right in the eye! 😡

It takes me a good half-hour to reach the temple.



At the start of the evening, strangely, the temple grounds are almost deserted, giving me the chance to admire the interior—off-limits to women—😤 in complete peace, then take my time outside to appreciate the silversmiths’ work on all four sides of the temple.



The silver sculptures and engravings gleam in the setting sun.



Some are already in the shade… I can already hear people saying my photos are too dark and you can’t see anything. ;) I don’t care—I think my photos of the Silver Temple at the end of the day are beautiful. 😊



I was afraid I’d arrive too late. I’m tired. Oh, there are seats in front of a big golden Buddha statue—just as it should be.

And without meaning to, I find myself involved in the ceremony as a participant.

A woman hands me a pretty silver metal lotus-shaped bowl with a flat candle inside. I thank her warmly, thinking she’s giving it to me for the ceremony and that I can keep it. 🤷‍♂️😊 But when I look closely, I realize it’s far too valuable to be a gift.



I end up joining the Buddhists in prayer. A quick glance around tells me I’m not the only Western tourist taking part, but there are very few of us. A table is set up at the foot of the stairs leading to the Silver Temple, and monks take turns speaking and reciting prayers (?). We’re all connected by a white cotton thread that winds its way to the sacred statues.



So I’m kind of stuck in my spot. I wasn’t going to surprise (shock? offend? humiliate?) them by leaving my seat. When it’s time to stand up for the candlelit procession, I offer mine to the woman next to me, who thanks me warmly, though she doesn’t understand my gesture.



Almost immediately after, the woman who gave me the bowl is surprised I don’t have it anymore and hands me another lantern—this one much more ordinary. She’s surprised when I decline, and I don’t know how to explain that I want to film the torch procession. - If I join the procession, I can’t film it. She insists I take part and really wants me to accept her candle and join the others. It’s an awkward moment because she’s so persistent that I wonder if I’m committing a serious offense.



Sure, I’m with them in spirit and in devotion, and I feel the fervor, but no, I don’t want to sing or join the procession. I’m moved by this moment of deep reflection, but I’d rather not take part.

The light of the setting sun combined with the temple’s colorful illumination makes the place feel timeless. I take lots more photos and videos to capture this magical moment while the devotees drift away, not without first returning their silver bowls to a basket for next week. 🤷‍♂️, leaving me finally to my solitude and thoughts.



Before heading back to my room, I wander through the Saturday Night Market, surrounded by an insane, insane, insane crowd. It’s no longer enjoyable. I’m not really hungry, but I let myself be tempted again by a local dish that looks nothing like the photo of what I ordered—and, once again, not spicy at all. Grrr… To make up for the disappointment, I treat myself to a delicious passion fruit juice with no added water, ice, or ice cream. Unfortunately, they’d salted it, like they do in India with lemon juice. I would’ve preferred it plain or at least sweetened, but the salty taste doesn’t suit me at all. I drink it all anyway, down to the last drop, for the health benefits, like it’s medicine. I don’t linger because the crowd is overwhelming, especially when a quick glance at my phone tells me I’ve walked 25 km today…
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
Right on time, here's the next part!

I think it's pure coincidence, but it's crazy how these Thai temples sometimes resemble Norwegian wooden churches.

a quick glance at my phone tells me I've walked 25 km today...

Now that's what I call being in shape! Or is it faith?
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Good evening Jean-Marie,

Thanks for this new post and the beautiful photos of the Silver Temple in Chiang Mai. Can’t wait for the rest! 🙂

You’ve really had no luck with drivers, and I find this behavior unacceptable. I totally get why you’re annoyed about it.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
I treated myself to a delicious passion fruit juice with no added water, ice, or ice cream. Unfortunately, they’d salted it, like they do in India with lemon juice. I would’ve preferred it plain or at least sweetened, but that salty taste really didn’t work for me.

When ordering, say "don’t add salt": *mai sai kleua* (negation + put + salt).
SO Songsam Veteran ·
In restaurants, when you clearly ask for no spice, half the time that request gets lost between ordering and the dishes arriving.

How do you ask for it?
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
In restaurants, when you clearly ask for no spice, half the time that instruction gets lost between ordering and the dishes arriving.

How do you ask for it?

In Thai! 😉
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
With just 2-3 words said too quickly or with a fuller sentence?
GA Gaura Veteran ·
I often find your advice really helpful, except when you suggest a French person should speak Thai. It's impossible to make yourself understood in a tonal language where every monosyllabic word can have 5 different meanings depending on the intonation. If the person is used to dealing with tourists, they might guess what you mean despite the bad accent, but it's unlikely. It's better to use written language—always have your address written in Thai, but you can also have "no salt" or "little spice" in Thai. I haven’t checked if there are apps that easily translate French to Thai, but that seems safer. There are also a lot of people who understand "No spicy." Years ago, tuk-tuk drivers couldn’t read—they’d pick you up and look for someone to read your address in Thai... I hope that’s improved. Thai is a really tough language for us, which led to some hilarious moments with a friend who lived there and had married a Thai woman. When he tried speaking Thai, and his wife translated what she understood, it was things like him ordering "a horse to put in his beer" at the bar (the waitress also struggled to keep a straight face).
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Just 2-3 words said too quickly or with a fuller sentence?

🤔😢
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Thanks Noëlle for your humor. I really liked the horse in the beer! 😄

I didn’t check if there are apps that easily translate French to Thai, but it seems safer to me.

I have an app that translates (apparently perfectly) French to Thai and vice versa. Not only in writing but also vocally. It’s been super useful everywhere. And it’ll be even more helpful for my next trip to—hopefully—a non-touristy area.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Just a quick note to say thanks for your last message on my other thread. I’ll reply soon. I’ve been, let’s say, pretty wiped out these past few days... Didn’t have the energy to write...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I'm excited to share—I just finished a long post that took me hours of digging through my notes and memories, plus writing it up. I think you'll like it. I'll send it tomorrow after I sort and resize the photos I need to upload.
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
except when you advise a French person to speak Thai. It's impossible to make yourself understood in a tonal language where every monosyllabic word can have 5 different meanings depending on the intonation.

I didn’t advise speaking Thai—it’s just about knowing a few words, that’s all. As for the right tone, a fresh fruit juice vendor, for example, who habitually puts salt in all their juices, will still understand what our "mai sai kleua" (don’t put salt) means, even if our tone is off. Plus, having the courage to make the effort to learn and use a few words in the local language is always more rewarding for the brain than mindlessly using an app. The language barrier sometimes causes a few problems? Good—down with sanitized trips. And on a side note, it makes for way more interesting travel journals to read.

There are also lots of people who understand "No spicy."

There are even more who don’t. But their Thai culture prevents them from admitting it, so they often just give a slightly awkward smile to pretend they understood and save face. Five minutes later, you’re left with your mouth on fire.

with a friend who lived there and married a Thai woman, when he tried to speak Thai

Expats and learning their partner’s language in their adopted country? A whole other topic...
SO Songsam Veteran ·
I have an app that translates (apparently perfectly) French to Thai and vice versa. Not just in writing but also vocally. It was really useful everywhere, and it’ll be even more helpful on my next trip to—hopefully—a non-touristy area.

If you take Route 105, get an app that also handles French-Karen because in that area, Thai isn’t the most commonly spoken language.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
With just 2-3 words said too quickly or with a fuller sentence?

It took me several years to replace "mai pet" with "mai sai prick."

I can tell they all understand, but between my request and the dish arriving, it’s either the server or the cook who forgot... You know the classic excuse: it’s not my fault, I forgot :) Especially since something in their heads doesn’t grasp how anyone could serve a dish that bland, right.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
With just 2-3 words said too quickly or with a fuller sentence?

🤣😜

I see Monsieur still has enough energy left to joke around 😉 😛
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
mai sai prick

It’s more explicit than "mai pet" because at least there’s a verb here, but even though theoretically "mai sai prik" should be enough, in practice it’s clearly not always the case 😎. You have to insist more firmly. So when I don’t feel like eating spicy food*, I always add short phrase complements to *mai sai prik*, like: - "prik mai chawp" (don’t like chili**) with a slightly disgusted look and a negative hand gesture - "chan pen*** prik pumpêê" (I’m allergic to chili) And it works.

* Over time, I’ve gotten used to handling spicy Thai food without too many issues, but honestly, sometimes you just get tired of it—no chili is good too.

** which isn’t the same verb used to declare your love for someone.

*** which is different from the verb "to be" used to describe a location.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Well, thanks! Marien will know which phrases not to add to his vocabulary, and I’ll give this a try sometime 😉
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi there, I just spent a lot of time rereading and correcting my text, selecting and resizing photos, and when I tried to post the message, I couldn’t open this thread at first—the page that kept opening was for a different thread, and no matter how many times I tried, it was always the same page. After some unknown workaround, I finally managed to open the right page. And now, as always in the evening, I can’t upload any photos. I think they disable this feature in the evening because of the traffic.

These bugs have become a real problem on VF.

Preamble

In my previous post, I kind of put the cart before the horse—it was the end of a very busy day that started at 6 AM, and I was worried I wouldn’t have time to write a long post about the outing. I’ll start by saying that I was so put off by the invasion of tourists everywhere in Chiang Mai and the surrounding areas, and seeing the songthaews going to or coming from Doi Suthep, packed to the brim in both directions, that I quickly gave up on visiting Doi Suthep, the local Mont Saint-Michel.

I relied heavily on Thailandee.com to plan my trip, as it features many interesting sites “off the beaten path.” But as nice as Mike, the guy who runs it, is, by constantly promoting these lesser-known spots with glowing reviews and lots of photos and videos—old ones!!!—they’ve lost all their charm and have even become incredibly crowded. Mike strongly recommended visiting Wat Phra That Doi Suthep at 6 AM and another temple, Wat Pha Lat, hidden deep in the forest, not far from the “must-see” Doi Suthep.

The day of the unforgettable dragon parade during Chinese New Year in Bangkok, I met a very friendly French couple whom I ran into completely by chance in Chiang Mai a few days after my arrival. They told me that Wat Phra That being deserted at 6 AM was a thing of the past—it had been so hyped, written about, recommended word of mouth, and shown in photos and videos that visiting at sunrise was now a must... However, they confirmed that Wat Pha Lat, accessible via the “monks’ trail,” better known as the Monk’s Trail, was still a hidden gem.



So, on the morning of Saturday, February 15, I decided to wake up at the crack of dawn to leave no later than 5:30 AM. I had checked the route on my hiking app. It was 6 km from my hotel, so 12 km round trip, and I understood that the actual trail through the mountain to the temple wasn’t very long, so I thought it would be about 8 km total, or 16 km round trip, and I planned to come back down with a red songthaew.

Even though I woke up at 4:40 AM, I didn’t manage to leave my room before 6:30 AM. The street was deserted. No songthaews in sight. I had a feeling that would happen. And off I went, feeling strong on my legs that morning. Did I go to bed and wake up too early? Either way, I had to make several detours to go to temples... Not to pray or meditate, but to relieve my bladder, which never fully empties and fills right back up. As a result, I added quite a bit of distance to my route. I passed by several bakeries or small eateries selling breakfast food. Even though I never eat anything solid before 11 AM or noon, I found myself hungry from all the delicious smells and appetizing dishes. My eyes were drawn to a display case with long, twisted doughnuts that had clearly just been fried. Three for 60 baht. They looked very tempting. They reminded me of French bakery doughnuts. I’d never seen this kind of doughnut anywhere before, nor did I see them again during my trip in Thailand. It seemed like a specialty of this bakery. I bought a pack of three and later regretted not taking two. Next to the bakery, there was a small kiosk on the sidewalk that seemed to serve great coffee. I gave it a try, and it was a good call! The cappuccino I ordered was excellent and beautifully decorated with brown cane sugar, plus a glass of Thai tea, served by a very friendly and smiley young girl. I really appreciated this warm morning welcome because I’d noticed that in the historic center of the city, in restaurants or shops, most owners or servers weren’t very smiley or friendly. In fact, if you asked too many questions, they’d brush you off (I was about to use a stronger word to describe their behavior).

Since I was running late and wanted to arrive before it was fully daylight—to save myself the long walk—I flagged down a songthaew that asked for a flat 200 baht instead of 50. I refused. After walking a bit more, another one stopped and offered 100 baht. I refused again but soon regretted it because I kept walking and walking, feeling like I’d already covered way more kilometers than what I’d seen on my app. I hadn’t slept enough, and I was already feeling tired even though I hadn’t reached the trail that climbs through the mountain yet. When I finally got there, I found a steep, rocky slope. Very picturesque but tough. It was cluttered with large rocks buried in the dirt, and sometimes there were high steps carved into the rock or clay. Still, I enjoyed walking through bamboo forest sections.

I wanted to get there around 6:30–7:00 AM to enjoy the peace and serenity of the place, just like I’d seen in Mike’s video here. And since I knew few people went to this forest temple, I wasn’t worried about being delayed on the way. I thought I’d arrive around 8:30 AM. But now that I was on the trail, I was surprised—and even annoyed—to see so many people going up and down the temple without anyone saying hello. People passed by as if I were invisible, whether they were coming down or catching up from behind and overtaking me because I was climbing slowly, at my own pace, compared to all these young people rushing.



In Bangkok, at the residence where I was staying, I met maybe three people in two weeks. But here in Chiang Mai, the hotel is always full of young men and women, most of them under 30. And never—not once—did any of them greet me. Sign of the times? Over the past 6 or 8 years since I stopped my nomadic travels, people have really changed. Or is it just “the tourist vibe in Thailand”? Because I’m used to small signs of friendliness in India, brief exchanges between guests, and at least a hello when you cross paths in the hallways or lobby. Here, they’d step on your feet without even saying hi. Even in the morning, in the hotel lobby where coffee is available. They see you sitting at the next table sipping your coffee. They pour theirs and sit right next to you or walk by to go out, but no, it would hurt their stomach to say hello.

And here, on this trail, not even a sympathetic smile or a kind word for the old guy who already looks exhausted from the tough terrain. The French couple I’d met in Bangkok and then in Chiang Mai had warned me: There are still some tough and sporty sections... But, as usual, I underestimated my abilities, which aren’t what they were just a year or two ago... It’s hard to admit that the years are passing and that my heart attack—due to the COVID vaccine, I’ll say it again—has left some lasting effects.



As I climbed, groups of 4, 6, 8, or 10 people started catching up and passing me. Not a good sign... I figured the trail—and probably the temple—was very crowded, and I regretted not leaving the hotel at 5:30 AM to be up there by 7:00–7:30 AM with no one around. When I finally arrived, I saw people everywhere. Hundreds of them. I was disgusted. I wondered how and when they’d all gotten there. The magical place was ruined, even outright violated, because they respected nothing—not the place, the temples, or the statues. The waterfall, almost dry this season, was taken over by all these “pilgrims” sitting or lying in its bed. I could say goodbye to my photos. At one point, a monk who noticed my disapproving look as a young woman in borderline-provocative clothing had her arm around a sacred statue, let out his anger: - This is a holy place, but they think it’s a beach!



Even itinerant stalls had set up in the alleys to sell drinks, coconuts, and food at much higher prices than in the city. I wasn’t going to let this disappointment ruin my day and my enjoyment... So I took my time wandering through the crowd to find corners they’d overlooked, and I managed to take some stunning photos for my own pleasure, with the added challenge of not having a single arm, foot, leg, or face in any of them.



While I was climbing, I’d seen a sign pointing to another path on the left, mentioning a temple 500 m away. On my way down, I thought: - Hmm, I’ll go check it out... 500 m isn’t far... I’ll take a detour. Maybe no one goes to that temple. Everyone keeps going straight up, and no one goes that way, so with any luck, this temple will be lost in the mountains, in the forest—I’ll go. And I’m glad I did because I quickly found myself in the heart of a wild jungle with no one around. Despite my fatigue, I surprised myself by scrambling around as if I were 40 or 50 years old. Of course, I ran into some difficulties because I didn’t have a walking stick. Even though I had very good and reliable hiking shoes, the terrain was steep, slippery, rugged, and even dangerous. I clung to branches, roots, and rocks and kept moving forward. Sometimes I had to crouch, kneel, or step over obstacles like tree trunks or boulders blocking the path, but I was overjoyed by the beauty of the landscape and the challenge of the physical effort. I felt good, tired but in shape. Forgotten were the wobbly legs, forgotten was the feeling of walking on a boat... I didn’t know where this trail would take me, but surely somewhere magical, and that motivated me and gave me strength and courage to face the tough terrain.



Then, at one point, it started going downhill. There was nothing to hold onto, and without a stick, I slipped several times, afraid of falling at any moment, especially worried about damaging my phone or camera, which I was holding. It got really, really tough... The terrain was so steep, with narrow steps carved into the clay, completely vertical, that I felt dizzy—a condition I’m prone to. There was nothing to hold onto, and a walking stick became crucial. My little voice finally spoke up: - You’re being an idiot! Showing off like a kid, you’re gonna fall and break something. What’ll you do if you break a foot or a leg, or even just sprain something? I shot back: - Yeah, sure, but the sign said 500 m—it can’t be much farther. It’d be stupid to give up so close to the goal. I glanced at my app. I’d already walked 12 kilometers... I kept going... I came to a bamboo-lined section. I tried to grab a broken one to make a walking stick. The bamboo wouldn’t cooperate. So I clung to the well-rooted ones instead. I grabbed them one by one... But then, there was nothing on the sides for about 30 or 40 m, and it dropped straight down into the ravine. It was really treacherous. I thought back to similar adventures during my solo hikes in the Himalayas, where I nearly lost my life because no one knew where I was. No one would’ve come looking... And now, 10 years later, here I was again, craving risk and adventure. So I considered turning back. Suddenly, I saw a man coming up. An Asian guy who looked exhausted. A “young man” of 40. I asked him: - Is the temple still far? - Oh yes! - Oh, damn! He looked really tired, exhausted even. Maybe the distance seemed long because of his fatigue? So I decided to sit down and rest for a moment while waiting for someone else to pass... At the start of the hike, I was happy to be alone on the trail, but now it was like this morning on the other path. Little by little, people behind me caught up and passed me. Without seeing me... Without speaking to me... Without asking if I was okay or needed help... I was invisible. Two or three people... Then more arrived... Same thing. I watched them go. I had confirmation of how tough the terrain was: A woman who must’ve been in her fifties nearly fell... My little voice started again: - You shouldn’t keep going, it’s too risky, be careful... - Okay, I’ll turn back. At that moment, some people came up... Young ones... They looked exhausted too. But they said hello and asked if the temple was still far... I was surprised. I thought: Oh, they’re going to Wat Pha Lat, but they’re coming from a different route. I scanned the path ahead as far as I could. It kept going down, down into the ravine... I didn’t quite understand what I’d done. I finally concluded that I must’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere without realizing it...



I finally decided to go back up. It was much safer—I really risked falling. And there, climbing back up, I found myself on an extremely steep, almost vertical path, with very narrow steps carved into the clay, super treacherous, but this time, I saw ropes firmly attached to the bamboo lining the trail. The terrain was extremely tough, even dangerous, but you could hold onto the ropes to climb easily. But I needed both hands to play Tarzan, clinging to those ropes like vines. I decided to put my phone and camera in my backpack and launched myself at the mountain... Sure, it took a lot of legwork, but there was no risk of falling. Just had to hold onto the ropes tight.



And I had to climb, climb, and climb some more. And this time, no one in sight in either direction. The more I thought about it, the more I realized: I hadn’t seen those ropes on the way down, and I didn’t remember descending that much. I must’ve taken another wrong turn. Oh well! I kept climbing, climbing like a monkey. I’d get somewhere eventually. And when I finally reached the top, I saw a crumbling, somewhat shaky wall in front of me, which I still had to climb over, with vegetation taking over, including the end of the path I’d just come up. It was a boundary wall marking the space of an abandoned temple. Then I understood I’d taken the wrong path twice. The temple I saw before me must’ve been the one indicated 500 m away. And after descending so much, which didn’t make geographical sense, and deciding to turn back, I’d taken another wrong turn on the way up. In the end, it was a good thing because if I hadn’t made that second mistake, I would’ve gone back to the sign where I started, whereas now, via a completely original and quirky detour, very sporty, I’d arrived at the lost temple I wanted to see.



I took a moment to sit down and checked my app. Instead of the 500 m indicated on the sign, I’d just covered 2 km on that treacherous terrain. In total, I’d already walked 16 km. I got up and inspected the temple, which was clearly abandoned and desecrated. I didn’t regret my adventure and was thrilled to discover this sanctuary in the middle of the jungle, surrounded by lush vegetation. After walking around the temple and its surroundings, I kept going and came to a spot where a sign indicated the place: Anakamee Buddhist Park. I looked it up on my three GPS apps, and it didn’t appear on any of them. I think it’s because the place is completely abandoned and forgotten.



I walked a bit further and discovered a kind of makeshift shack-café-kiosk (as rich as the French language is, I can’t think of the right term) with pretty bamboo chairs and beautiful exotic wood tables, where I received a very friendly and warm welcome and could finally rest for a long time and drink my fill, since I hadn’t brought a single bottle of water with me, not imagining this adventure.

But I wasn’t out of the woods yet...

I asked how to get back down to Chiang Mai. The charming young women running the café replied: - On foot or by car? - On foot! They pointed me in the direction I’d just come from. I thought: - Well, they must not have taken that path often!!! - I’m tough and rested, but no, I’m not going back that way! So the young woman said: - You can also go down by the road, but it’ll be longer! I chose the road. - Longer, I don’t care—at this point... As long as I don’t have to scramble through the jungle anymore!

But what I hadn’t anticipated, what I didn’t know, was that on the road, there’s no space for walking. I was right on the pavement, right at the edge—it was pretty dangerous for a pedestrian. I started going down, down, down, and I walked and walked and walked, and it never ended. I was really starting to get tired. I checked my app. I’d already walked 20 km that morning. I still had 10 km to go to the hotel. I’d flag down a songthaew... But no matter how much I waved, none stopped. They were packed with tourists coming back from Wat Phra That. - Poor old guy, my little voice said, you’re screwed—you’ll have to walk the whole way. And I walked and walked some more. Finally, a songthaew stopped... He asked for 100 baht. I didn’t know if that was a fair price. Out of principle, but mostly for fun, I gave him my best smile and tried: - 50! - Oh, no, no, no, it’s far—100 baht... His vehicle was empty—he was heading back with no hope of picking up any customers on that road, in that spot. You’d have to be as crazy or reckless as I was to walk down that busy road with no shoulder. So I insisted, not out of stinginess, but just for fun: - I don’t have much money left, I’m really tired, I’ve already walked 25 km... (I’d just checked again) - Okay, fine! 80! - Deal—80. Actually, it wasn’t excessive at all because the road for cars was infinitely longer than the route I’d taken that morning through the mountain. Thank goodness I didn’t keep walking because it kept going down, down, and winding, and it never ended... I got back to my room at 3:30 PM, absolutely exhausted, and the songthaew driver, who hadn’t found any other customers on the way, was happy to have earned 80 baht...

This outing remains one of the most beautiful I’ve done in Chiang Mai. And looking at my photos today, they’re among the most beautiful and successful. Unfortunately, with only 10 allowed, it’s hard to choose because they’re all different and all stunning for my wallpapers and memories.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi, As promised, I added the photos this morning. Since the text is long, I spread them out across the post...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Jacobi was singing and Marien was walking 🙂 You missed a great career in the Legion! 😉 Too bad "En Marche" was already taken—otherwise, you could’ve shortened the title of your travel journal considerably. 😎

Seriously, hats off for your determination. Sometimes, to go far, you’ve gotta pace yourself. If I’d done what you did, I would’ve been too tired and would’ve had to skip part of the rest of my day’s plans. Did having a fairly long stay allow you to not worry about that?

Is there a site where we can see all your photos? Because you sure know how to pique our curiosity, you rascal!
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hello and thank you
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MI Milou2008 Globetrotter ·
I'm exhausted just reading your post—not because of your post, but the description of the journey you've taken! You're a real daredevil! ;)
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I'm exhausted just reading your post—not because of your writing, but from the description of the journey you took! You're such a daredevil! ;)

😵🏔️ 🏔️ 🏔️ v
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hello and thank you

and for my questions?
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hello and thank you

and for my questions?

I seem to remember my photos hurt your eyes... I wouldn’t want to feel responsible for a detached retina or any other serious condition...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
You did say they were less dark on other sites, right?
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Looks like someone swallowed a clown today 🙂

Feels like there’s a conspiracy against me 😎
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
There’s a limit to the conspiracy

Oh no, that was at the end of the old forum—don’t you start too!... 😉
PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
Really great!
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
There’s almost a conspiracy

Oh no, that was at the end of the old forum, don’t you start too!... 😉

Yep, the current VF is a whole new forum... Nothing to do with the old one...
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
Little by little, people behind me catch up and pass me. Without seeing me... Without saying a word.

If there are Thais in the group, they’re being pretty rude because in Thailand, it’s very impolite to pass someone who’s in your way because of their slowness without at least apologizing by slightly bowing as you go by—even more so when the person being passed is older.
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Little by little, people behind me catch up and pass me. Without seeing me... Without saying a word.

If there are Thais in the group, they’re being pretty rude—because in Thailand, it’s very impolite to pass someone who’s in your way due to their slowness without at least apologizing by slightly bowing as you go by, especially when the person you’re passing is older.

Sorry, I’m really losing it... I don’t remember mentioning Thais.
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SO Songsam Veteran ·
You didn’t mention nationality—replace my "if there is" with "in the event that there is," which better expresses what I meant.
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
You didn’t mention nationality—replace my "if there are" with "in the event that there are," which better expresses what I meant.

It seemed obvious to me that I was talking about Western tourists. And that I’ve only been talking about them and their behavior since I arrived in Chiang Mai... In that case, what’s the point of your reply? Just to show off that you know Thais better than all of us here? 🤣😜
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