Traveler, great traveler, or tourist: what's the difference for you?
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Translated into English.

GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
For me, the word "traveler" contains "travel"—and for me, travel means the journey itself, the movement, counts as much if not more than the destination. That’s why I’d never go to Thailand, or only when I’m too old to drive (but would I still feel like traveling then?). Because going there without crossing everything between my home and Thailand doesn’t interest me. So I only travel by car (if I had the time, if I could travel without luggage, if my wife were more sporty, etc., it’d be even better by bike). I stick to Europe, but I’d need dozens of lifetimes to go everywhere I want to go.

Second point: I spend at least half of my stays seeing things that aren’t in the guidebooks. A telling example for the French: if I didn’t know Paris from living there, I’d certainly want to see the Louvre, Montmartre, the Champs-Élysées, etc.—but also Barbès, Neuilly, Auteuil, and La Courneuve.

For me, all of this means I consider myself a traveler, not a tourist—like someone who does a weekend in Prague.
CA Carls Regular ·
hey, it's a shame to only use a car for that—there are so many places you won't be able to go. But hey, everyone has their own way of seeing things.
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
especially for Thailand you can go by plane and continue by bike :)
GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
between France and Thailand there are at least a dozen countries to cross; now THAT would be a trip!
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
all of that makes me consider myself a traveler and not a tourist style a weekend in Prague

(and that's why your daughter is mute)

As soon as you do "sightseeing" (monuments, sites, etc.), you're a tourist!

As soon as you move around, you're a traveler!

You can easily do tourism "right where you live" and travel for work (for example)... the two things can be separate (distinct).

On the other hand, if you take a plane to visit temples in Bangkok, you're a tourist who's traveling (so a traveler too while you're on the plane).

I know that here we try to instill notions of superiority (qualitative), but then it's a distortion of meaning, not the French language anymore...

😎
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
I know that here we try to instill notions of superiority (qualitative ones),

Always the same big shots!!! ME, MYSELF, PERSONALLY, so high above the crab basket where you all are, you bunch of pathetic losers 😏😏😏😏😏😏😏
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
Hello,

This one http://voyageforum.com/voyage/y_en_marre_vrai_D3810802/

isn’t bad either 😏😏😏😏😏

Have a great evening, happy man under the Tropics
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
I also really like the expression: on the road, on the roads of India or elsewhere :)
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
Hey there,

"On the road again" originated with US singers who go on touring road trips and travel (in customized buses) all year round... (The most famous: Willie Nelson)

🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
"On the road again"

I'm so excited to be "on the road again"... even if it's not to sing and even if it doesn't earn me any money😛
HE Henridusud Globetrotter ·
The tourist travels in hordes—that’s their defining feature. They can only claim to be an authentic tourist if they accept this condition...

The traveler embarks on journeys and connects with locals, preferably over a strong alcoholic drink, exchanging phrases like, "you my friend me..."
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".

JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
MI Mirakl Regular ·
Hello,

While it's accepted that some do their best to say nothing, others show more talent...

Anyway, on the subject...

Well, a tourist is a traveler who doesn't know it, and vice versa...
Prendre le temps qu'il faut pour le perdre...
HE Henridusud Globetrotter ·
For me, there’s a difference between the two terms:

tourist: someone who visits monuments, museums, and eats just anything... they’re not there for the connections! traveler: someone who goes off the beaten path and seeks out people, customs...

Ugh, I love museums, visiting monuments, but definitely not eating just anything. I’m more the type to frequent good restaurants... Am I a real tourist?
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".

JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
HE Henridusud Globetrotter ·
Someone who goes to a country to get around by public transport, eat with locals in local taverns, and stay in hotels for traveling salespeople is hardly a tourist. Or so it seems to me. 🙂

Darn, I sometimes rent cars, especially when I'm in France... Does that make me a tourist? Do I stop being one if I take the TGV? It's all so complicated....
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".

JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
RA Raoulx Globetrotter ·
****Someone who goes to a country to get around by public transport, eat with locals in neighborhood taverns, and stay in hotels frequented by traveling salespeople is hardly a tourist.****

I have absolutely no shame in considering myself a tourist while practicing this form of tourism for 3 months a year! Some sensitivities are just misplaced. This debate isn’t any loftier than the one about street sweepers becoming "sanitation technicians" or schoolteachers becoming "elementary school professors."
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
Am I a real tourist?

In my humble opinion, you're a fake real-tourist...

And we shouldn’t confuse fake real-tourists with real fake-tourists!

You can’t mix apples and oranges (folk wisdom)

🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
CH Choucarde Globetrotter ·
Am I a real tourist?

In my humble opinion, you're a fake real-tourist...

And we mustn't confuse fake real-tourists with real fake-tourists!

Don't mix rags with napkins (folk wisdom)

🙂

Wow, this is getting almost tribal!

Quite a head-scratcher, anyway!

Choucarde
CA Carls Regular ·
hey, I had a good laugh there😏😏😏. +1
CA Carls Regular ·
henri, your answers are really funny but spot-on. again........
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Darn, I sometimes rent cars, especially when I'm in France... Does that make me a tourist? Am I no longer one if I take the TGV?

What I meant was that someone who travels in vehicles different from those used by locals is undoubtedly a tourist. Renting a car doesn’t make you a tourist.

Michel
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi Raoulx,

I have absolutely no shame in considering myself a tourist while practicing this form of tourism for 3 months a year!

But you're the one introducing value judgments here... 🤪 I'm not going to pretend I'm the kind of traveler I'm not just to make you happy.

Michel
MA Maitairoa Globetrotter ·
"On the road again" originated with US singers who go on endless tours and travel (in customized buses) all year round... (The most famous: Willie Nelson)"

...I’d have gone with Canned Heat instead! 😕
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
jack kerouac
BO Bothrops13 ·
Hi there,

For ME and only MY opinion, a tourist is someone who pays 2000 € through an agency for a 6-day trip and only does what the guide suggests—someone who goes to another country on VACATION to kick back under the coconut trees. Meanwhile, a traveler sets off with a spirit of discovery and, above all, is ready to take "risks" for it.

TE Teamten Globetrotter ·
No, you're mistaken; the only difference (but a "big" one) between these two categories is that a traveler, unlike a tourist—for whom it's automatic by definition—never, but really never, gets traveler's diarrhea...
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
While browsing the forum for tips for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the words "traveler, great traveler" but also "tourist"—so what's the nuance for you?

Good evening,

For me, traveling is about going somewhere else, while tourism is about visiting that somewhere else.

Simply put...
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
For me, traveling is about going somewhere else, while tourism is about visiting that somewhere else.

So once a traveler has "arrived" at their destination... they don't move anymore?
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
Still following me, huh? 😏 Watch out for that addiction, especially the discord cola-gene one...

I'll let you guess the answer to your question... 😛
CA Carls Regular ·
hi, nice nuance.
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
When sensitivity gets a bit heightened, it can cloud objectivity... I’m not going after you (what a thought...). You’re sharing a point of view I find a little odd, so I’m just trying to understand it...

Let’s keep the debate impersonal and argue your point... if you can... 😕
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
Forgive my bluntness, but I’m not interested in talking with you...

Good evening
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
You're not "talking" to me—you're expressing yourself on a forum... and that does take a certain kind of courage sometimes. Ideas intersect... and even if they ruffle feathers a bit, don’t worry, they’re just words...

I find your reaction childish...
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
For ME and only MY opinion, a tourist is someone who pays 2000 € through an agency for a 6-day trip and only does what the guide suggests—someone who goes to another country on VACATION to relax under the coconut trees. Meanwhile, a traveler sets off with a spirit of discovery and, above all, is ready to take "risks" for it.

That’s the best definition I’ve found so far (in my opinion, of course—I’m clarifying). Though it’s hard to draw a clear line between the two. A traveler is often a bit of a tourist, and some tourists occasionally take risks while traveling...

Otherwise, is that really a bothrops you’re holding in your hand?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
BO Bothrops13 ·
Good evening jalma, no, I’d never dare handle a Bothrops sp. (aka fer-de-lance) without fully restraining the snake. (Manually restraining a venomous snake isn’t something to take lightly—the risks of allergies and venom effects in case of a bite can be extremely serious depending on the species, especially Bothrops 😊)

The species in my avatar, if you’re curious—but just in case (you can never learn too much)—is an Asian ratsnake, originally from Mali. Its Latin name is Oreocryptophis porphyracea laticincta, or in English, Bamboo Ratsnake. Unfortunately, I don’t get the chance to observe it in its natural habitat but only in a terrarium.

B
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
it's an Asian grass snake that's originally from Mali.

An immigrant? It's really traveled a lot! Thanks for the info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
BO Bothrops13 ·
It's an Asian snake, originally from Mali,

An immigrant? It's really traveled a lot! Thanks for the info.

No, this one was born in Europe, in France. This species, described in 2003, was tough for terrarium enthusiasts to acclimate the first imported specimens since they live in mountainous forests. They can't handle high temperatures exceeding 26-28°C, and high humidity is essential for their well-being.

But we're getting off topic—I'm sorry about that. But I'll say it again: every bit of knowledge is worth learning, and by learning about these animals, people will fear them less. The diversity in shapes, colors, habitats, lifestyles, etc., of these animals is HUGE and fascinating.

bothrops13

PS: SORRY I DIDN'T SEE MY HUGE MISTAKE—OF COURSE NOT FROM MALI BUT FROM MALAYSIA. I GOT MY WIRES CROSSED, PROBABLY WITH MY HEAD IN THE CLOUDS FROM ALL THE STORIES AND PHOTOS FROM THE FORUM'S TRAVELERS
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
It's an Asian snake, originally from Mali.

From immigration? It's really traveled a lot! Thanks for the info.

What does Hortefeux think?

😕
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
MI Mirakl Regular ·
Good evening,

The issue is when there are too many...

To be enjoyed in moderation, of course...
Prendre le temps qu'il faut pour le perdre...
SH Shoe Regular ·
For ME and only MY opinion

That’s what I find interesting about this debate: understanding how each person defines themselves. It doesn’t matter if it matches someone else’s definition or not. Otherwise, we might as well just refer to the dictionary, as someone suggested.

For me, there’s a difference between how we define ourselves and how others define us. And it’s the meeting point of those two definitions that’s really fascinating.

Defining yourself isn’t necessarily about ‘slapping a label’ on yourself as a tourist or a traveler. It’s about the ‘why’ and ‘how’ of your travels, your personal approach, your dreams, and your expectations. And it’s probably not something set in stone. At least, my definition of ‘tourist’ or ‘traveler’—and of myself as a ‘traveler’ or ‘tourist’—evolves over time, with every trip I take, every traveler I host at home, and every travel story I hear or read.

Then there’s how we’re perceived by the host country and the people we meet there. Some will call us tourists, but not everyone. Sometimes that’s just the only word they know for us, aside from calling us ‘the white person’ or ‘the foreigner.’ Let’s give them the chance to define us differently too. No, we’re not always seen as ‘walking wallets.’ Thankfully...

Sometimes the meeting of those two definitions will be possible, sometimes not...
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
PS: SORRY I DIDN'T SEE MY HUGE MISTAKE, OF COURSE NOT MALI BUT MALAYSIA, I GOT MY WIRES CROSSED, PROBABLY MY HEAD IN THE CLOUDS WITH ALL THE STORIES AND PHOTOS FROM THE FORUM TRAVELERS

Oh, that makes me feel better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
I think that’s all well said!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
Well said. Everything is relative and nothing is static. Everything changes over time, places... We aren't tourists in and of ourselves; we are (or aren't) in the minds of others. There are plenty of people who travel in a more "conventional" way than others, but there comes a point, a moment, a place where anyone can become the tourist of another (in their perception). And then... what does it matter... they too (the other) will change (or not) over time. That's what I mentioned a little earlier and what I tried to explain to tatra. Unfortunately, sometimes these forums turn into cockfighting arenas, and we lose interest in them.
pyj09
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
We're not tourists by nature; we are (or aren't) in the eyes of others. There are certainly people who travel in a more "conventional" way than others, but there comes a point, a moment, a place where anyone can become someone else's tourist (in their perception).

... And vice versa... 😉

Michel
RO Rouxy Regular ·
The tourist has "done" Asia, the traveler let it unravel them....

Don’t push it, it’s copyright😏 (Could be another part of the world, you know... and it doesn’t necessarily reflect my own views either😉)
RO Rouxy Regular ·
Otherwise, you still need a certain nerve to claim there’s no fundamental difference between cruising for 15 days through more or less touristy spots and spending a year deep in a country’s heart. Let’s call it "deep-water tourism" if the distinction between traveler and tourist feels too snobbish to you ;)
SE Seahawk ·
For my part, I believe a traveler's main "goal" is the journey itself—that is, everything that happens between point A and B. Whereas a tourist (generally speaking) has the destination as their goal, for a usually shorter period of time, and not the path taken. I often find them closer to a "wealthy consumer" (polluter?) of foreign countries and lands, rather than a budget traveler.

From a certain point of view, someone who’s "catapulted" from one airport to another around the world is much more of a tourist—and thus "travels" far less—than someone hiking or wandering through hills, forests, or lakes, whether far away or close to home.

I might even go so far as to say that the ideal traveler makes their journey "independently," by their own means—on foot, by bike, horse, boat, or otherwise—not by being "transported" by others, in herds, with groups, or via various forms of public transport.

That’s how I see things, anyway.

But it’s clear that flaunting "your list of visited countries," like a trophy case or romantic conquests, is more a sign of ego and "human consumerism." 😉

I have far more admiration for those who wander, roam, or travel with whatever means they have—whether by fortune or misfortune—ideally respecting nature and the earth before leaving it... than for those who hop around in "pressurized air boxes" at the cost of dollars and kerosene...

I think it was Confucius who said:

"The greatest traveler is the one who has managed to make a full circle around themselves." (food for thought ;))
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
I have so much more admiration for those who live as nomads, wander, or travel with their own means, whether by fortune or misfortune, ideally respecting nature and the earth before leaving it... than for those who hop around in 'pressurized aerial boxes' using dollars and kerosene...

It’s normal to admire the person who doesn’t have to work (in a factory, at an office) to live and can fulfill their desires thanks to... (mom/dad/lottery?)

When you *do* work (like—almost—everyone 😉), of course you’re not "admirable," you’re just "ordinary," and in that case, time is what’s missing the most... (even with paid leave...)

So, in this "limited time" context, planes are a blessing because they’re a small victory over time!

🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
SE Seahawk ·
I’m not putting tourists down, even though I often prefer to avoid flying because I feel like it "ruins" everything between two places—plus the pollution, etc. But I’m just saying that, for me, they’re not "travelers" in the sense I mean it.

No big deal! 😉
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
I’m not putting tourists down, even if I often prefer to avoid planes because I feel like they "ruin" everything between two places, not to mention the pollution, etc. But I’m just saying that for me, they’re not "travelers" in the sense I mean.

No big deal! 😉

True, traveling by carriage has its perks...

😎

PS: These days, you can do "virtual tourism" (without leaving home), whereas actual travel is much harder (simulators are for "pros" only).
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
RO Rouxy Regular ·
Is it normal to admire the guy who doesn’t have to work (in a factory, at an office) to live and can fulfill his dreams thanks to... (dad/mom/lottery?)

🙂

Or simply temp work with unskilled but well-paid jobs. Like fishing in Norway... a 3-month season = 9000 € if you budget well, and you can support two kids and a wife for 6 months in India that way🙂

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