Northwest Vietnam circuit with an agency in April/May 2012: has anyone done it?
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KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
Hey again, .. hi hi 😉

Yeah, I was talking about a crossroads a bit further on that almost leads to the lake... but I see you already know about it. Plus, I know that vendor well—she’s put on a little weight but she still gives us free bread because we brought her a leather banana pouch for her money!!!!!!!!! The world is small, really small
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Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
When we saw it, we were in a rickshaw, the photo was taken on the fly. Luckily this time we’ll have more time to wander around. I’m counting the days!!!
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
Well, well, a new tip just dropped in my ear

And this, it’s almost the cream of the crop🙂!

A street restaurant serving beef or octopus barbecue!

A group of young Hanoian artists seems to have this spot in their meet-up travel journal.
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
A street-food spot with beef or octopus barbecue, Yum! ;) And duck??? What’s the address? :angry:
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
and duck??? What's the address?

Like pho, you've got to eat it in Ho Chi Minh City, especially in Cholon🙂.
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
BI Binboum Regular ·
You’ll realize just how far Vietnam is from your "home"... it’s less comfortable... but so much more lively!!!

Stop selling your honey a bit!

Dinh Let Street is the most touristy in the Old Quarter—you’ll see more tourists than locals. Traffic can be hellish there. Honestly, there are better places to stay.🏴‍☠️
KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
Sometimes you seem more civilized... too bad the veneer cracks at times
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..

Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Stop trying to sell your honey a bit! There’s nothing being sold here!! Everyone can make their own choice. It’s just a friendly, courteous exchange—why come and spoil these moments?

Dinh Let Street is the most touristy in the old quarter, with way more tourists than locals. Traffic can be hellish there. Honestly, there are better spots: thanks for the info. Do you have a better address to suggest? We’re all ears. 🙂

Have a great day
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
BI Binboum Regular ·
Have you got a better address to suggest? We're all ears!

I'd love to, but I don't know your tastes or your budget.
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
Do you have a better address to suggest? We're all ears! Just a stone's throw from Hanoi's oldest temple, on Hàng Giây street, the stir-fried noodles over an open flame are a treat🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Yes, yes, that sounds familiar. Thanks!
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Re: Northwest Vietnam circuit with an agency in April/May 2012: has anyone done it? January 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I’d love to help, but I don’t know your tastes or your budget. I was speaking for all travelers, but our tastes are simple, and our budget isn’t huge. What we want is to live as close as possible to the people—on the streets or along the roads—meet locals, and see everything that isn’t usually offered by tour operators and that feels too sanitized. THE REAL TRAVEL All your ideas will be welcome. We won’t do everything, of course, but this way we can choose what suits us best. Thanks for your tips! 😊
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
Living close to the people on the streets or elsewhere on the road, making connections

With the exception of a few niches, the old quarter of Hoan Kiem Lake has become a business hub for tourists in a hurry. Western bars aren’t wrong about their... locations.

Shopkeepers’ attitudes now align with your wallet and lose the traditional friendliness. Because of my Southern accent, they tell me to go get served in Saigon🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
With my Southern accent, they tell me to go get served in Saigon🙂

Still the old North-South rivalry, yet you live in the same country. And with our accent, are they gonna send us back to Paris?😉
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
Still the old North-South rivalry, yet you live in the same country.

Not at all, the opposite isn't true.

Northerners are very numerous and well received in Saigon. They flee Hanoi themselves🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
VE Venissian Globetrotter ·
The stir-fried noodles over high heat are delicious

In Vietnamese, it's called mi xao, right?
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KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
And to make it even better... let's say mi xao bo - that way, it's a complete dish....
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..

Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
BI Binboum Regular ·
What we want is to live as close as possible to the people on the streets or elsewhere on the roads, meet people, and see everything that isn’t usually offered by tour operators and that’s sanitized.

So I invite you to cross to the other side of the dyke in the Phu Tan or Bach Dang neighborhood. That’s the kind of authentic, lively area that’s full of interest. It’s nothing like Dinh Let and its rows of souvenir shops 😕—the restaurants there are mediocre. I lived in Bach Dang for a few years, and I can tell you there’s a great vibe 🙂 and some small, budget-friendly hotels.

I know the Abalone restaurant well—it serves a delicious Bo nuong lac.
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
So I invite you to go to the other side of the dyke in the Phu Tan or Bach Dang neighborhood.

Thank you sooo much😏

I’ll try to find my way on my map (which is no good at all!!!)

See you later, have a good evening
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Of course, I'm already lost—this is starting off great, what will it be like once I'm there... - The dyke, is it really along the Red River? Do we have to cross the river to get to Q Phu Tan and Bach Dang?
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
IS Isag94 Regular ·
On the other hand, I remember answering a question about the "Chùa Keo" pagoda in Nam Định province—pagodas that are over 1,000 years old, with unique features and history that set them apart. What a surprise to learn that this historic gem, which rivals other tourist spots, wasn’t included by the traveler who asked the question. Such a shame to miss such an authentic, serene place, far from the more or less shady tourist hustle.[/citation]

That wasn’t me at the time 😎, but curious as I am, I went to look at photos of this wonder... and now a flood of questions is overwhelming me:

- Can this visit be done from Tam Cốc, and if so, how much time should I allow? (I’ve only planned 2 nights in Tam Cốc and already had a "packed" schedule: Tràng An, Hàng Múa, Hoa Lư, and a bike ride) - Since time isn’t stretchable, unfortunately 😕, if I had to choose between the pagoda and visiting Phát Diệm, which would you recommend? - Is it feasible to do the visit on the way between Tam Cốc and Hạ Long (knowing we need to be there by 11:00 AM for boarding)?

Thanks for the help
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
if I had to choose between the pagoda and the visit to Phat Diem in your opinion???

The Phat Diem Church is just an architectural mix between the West and Vietnamese styles.

If you have the time, it’s better to visit all the pagodas around Nam Dinh: Chùa Cô Lê, Chùa Tháp Phúc Lộc, Chùa Keo, Dên Trân .... That requires a full day.

If you must, on the way back, you can stop at Phat Diem for a short visit that shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes.

However, if you need to be in Ha Long by 11 AM, you won’t have enough time to visit all these historic architectural sites.

I encourage you to go—you’ll inspire others to follow!
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
IS Isag94 Regular ·
A few extra questions :

- If I had to make a tough (but crucial due to lack of time) choice between But Thap Pagoda and Chua Keo, which would you recommend?

- If I'm in Tam Coc, will I easily find a taxi or minivan for 6 people for the day to get there? (Do they know the site there? Are they used to taking people there... basically, will I run into too many difficulties organizing this "excursion" once I'm in Tam Coc?)

- Can these visits be done without a guide (so without explanations, since I don’t speak or read Vietnamese, of course!)?
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
Can we do these visits without a guide (so without explanations since I don’t speak or read Vietnamese, of course!)?

You can absolutely visit these pagodas without needing a guide.

If you really decide to go, I can give you some explanations about the history of these pagodas.

When there are 6 of you sharing the costs, don’t hesitate to rent a 7-seater taxi.

From your hotel (any one will do🙂) you can ask to rent a car for a day, or I can give you the contact details of someone in Tam Cốc who can do this for free via PM.

If you’re there, visiting But Thap Pagoda and Chùa Keo Pagoda is easy without wasting too much time. If you show interest in these pagodas, there will always be someone who’ll offer to guide you for free.
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
IS Isag94 Regular ·
Thanks for the always quick and helpful reply! 🙂
LA Lanilodo ·
hi there it's Tet, so our agency (like the others) is closed. But we're wondering for this kind of trip if we need more vaccinations than for standard Vietnam circuits? Any advice, friends? thanks in advance
Steph & Lolo
AB Abalone Globetrotter ·
we’re wondering if this type of circuit requires more vaccinations than the standard Vietnam trips?

Malaria is rare but does exist in these remote areas. You’ll see government campaigns encouraging people to sleep under mosquito nets.

As with any risk in France, we get insurance. So regarding malaria, we take precautions:

- wear covering clothes at dusk - slather on mosquito repellent - sleep under a mosquito net when staying with locals or in hotels without air conditioning - possibly take medication (Malarone) if you’re usually a mosquito magnet.
http://www.maison-chance.org/

Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,

W've got home;
VE Venissian Globetrotter ·
hi Abalone. what are

"people who usually attract mosquitoes more than others"
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KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
Hi Venissian,

I think I heard that those with a sugar problem... attract them more... hehehe, true or false??? ;)

Have a good day - Kimtwo
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..

Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
True or false? Actually, it's lactic acid that attracts them: sweat after physical exertion, when muscles burn more sugar at that moment... 😏, body heat also attracts mosquitoes, and women give off more of it, making them prime targets for those lady mosquitoes 😠.
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
As a precaution, there are repellents for your clothes (like Insect Écran Trampage). I’ve tested it multiple times (in heavily infested areas) and highly recommend it—along with your regular body repellent. I treat all my clothes and luggage before leaving. 😏
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
Hi Asia,

I’m doing the same thing… ;) and the result is up to par: soaking or heavily spraying the product on clothes gives them "immunity" for several months… despite the (many) washes.

In the end, it’s a really easy solution to avoid being attacked by those little critters, and it’s much less harmful than all those chemical products that at least damage your health and, in some cases, destroy your liver…

Have a great day - Kimtwo
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..

Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Hi Kimtow,

That's what I do too...😉 and the results are great—we’re the best!!!😎 Travel agencies should recommend it more often. In my case, it was the Tropical Diseases Center that suggested it to me, and I’ve been using it ever since. It’s not just mosquitoes that get repelled—other little critters don’t like it either...
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
MA Mavn Veteran ·
In response to Asia and Kimtow:

Hi there,

I did the same thing in 2008 and 2010, and I’ll be doing it again in 2012!!!! And not a single mosquito attacked us!!!

To add to my answer: INSECT ECRAN Spray for clothes also fights, apart from mosquitoes, midges, bedbugs, wasps, lice, and fleas... (it even protects after 2 months and 5 washes at 40°C). That’s what’s written on the bottle.

INSECT ECRAN Skin Repellent SPECIAL TROPICS also fights mosquitoes, midges, fleas, and ticks (again, that’s what’s written on the bottle).

Anyway, I think the safest thing is for everyone to check with their doctor to see if they need any additional treatment based on the route they’re taking in certain countries.

Have a great day.

Mavn
MA Mavn Veteran ·
I'm sending you the photo...😉
KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
Hello mavn,

Oh, I totally get it—some countries definitely require a belt of the right pills... I completely agree with you—

For washing clothes after treatment, I’ve noticed I go way beyond the recommended time with the same products. Maybe it’s because I wash in "cold" water—well, when I say cold in Hanoi in the middle of summer, I mean... I think you get it: it’s not as cold as you’d imagine! Anyway, I’ve had no issues for three months. It’s true that pre-treating the clothes in France before leaving really soaks them in —given the smell, I’d rather do that in my garden at home than in my hotel room in Vietnam!!!

Have a great day—best regards—Kimtwo
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..

Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
VE Venissian Globetrotter ·
wow, thanks for the info... I didn’t know about this technique... but it might scare off any potential flirts
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MA Mavn Veteran ·
Looks like no one has... 😉😉😉 except the mosquitoes😠
KI Kimtwo Globetrotter ·
Hi,

No, the hustlers are still around.... the smell doesn’t linger after drying! ;)

Is the weather nice where you are?

Cheers - Kimtwo
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..

Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Worried about mosquitoes???😉 I confirm that mosquitoes can keep up their routine, circling and buzzing around their prey before attacking: no smells, no traces... in every way, it's the miracle product!!!

Have a great day, everyone.
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
VE Venissian Globetrotter ·
It rained yesterday, just for Tet, but only a little, and today it’s drizzling in the evening... but the heat has gone. Strange, it’s the first Tet where it hasn’t been scorching hot.
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VE Venissian Globetrotter ·
Is the discussion about the Lolos over? I’m watching VTV5 right now—it’s the TV channel for minorities in Vietnam. I see there are Lolos Chai, Lolos Hoa in Ha Giang… they say there are 250,000 Lolos. Does anyone know about these Lolos? Maybe Fred66 or Larsay?
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BI Binboum Regular ·
Go to the Bao Lac market and you might meet them. It feels like we're talking about an endangered animal species 😕
JE Jepititou Regular ·
Between Quan Ba and Dong Van, there are Lolo Hoa houses by the roadside, on the right when heading to Dong Van, after Pho Cao but not far. Often, when the weather’s nice, you’ll see girls sewing their clothes, which are probably among the most beautiful of all the ethnic groups. The thing is, their costumes are stunning (the girls too, by the way—see photos) and therefore delicate, so the women don’t wear them for work or even to go to the market. I’ve even seen some dressed as White H’mong. At the Meo Vac market, the women selling soup in the sheltered section are Lolo, but they aren’t in traditional clothing, same in their village.
http://vietnamjp.eklablog.com/
BI Binboum Regular ·
The young girl might be a Lo Lo, but that’s not the traditional costume she’s wearing. Let’s just say she’s heavily "customized" it.
JE Jepititou Regular ·
If the link doesn’t work, check the attached photo from Wikipedia.
http://vietnamjp.eklablog.com/
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
What’s this link for? We land on a page in Vietnamese and have no idea which path to take. Can you tell us more?😏 Thanks.
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
AS Asia7 Globetrotter ·
Trends change, the colors are brighter now, but the "Lolo" essence is still there. Thanks.😉
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
BI Binboum Regular ·
Actually, there are the Black Lo Lo, who are the most numerous and can be found at the Bao Lac market, and the Variegated Lo Lo. Your photos show the costumes of the Variegated Lo Lo.

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