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Le paradis et l'enfer en Thaïlande
by Jvkanmem
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Je suis JALOUX !!!! 😠😠😠
je ne pense pas que cela soit un pt de vue "exclusivement" sarkosien.
la france doit rester une terre d accueil mais nous ne pouvons pas etre extremiste - tous fn ou tous coco.
couchener avait usé d une belle formule...
" on ne peut pas mettre 1.5 litre dans un bidon d un litre"🤪 enfin heureusement que notre equipe de foot est la pour souder tout le monde!🙂
le sujet est trop complexe et surtout devie. revenons a la thailande et malheureusement ce "fait divers"
couchener avait usé d une belle formule...
" on ne peut pas mettre 1.5 litre dans un bidon d un litre"🤪 enfin heureusement que notre equipe de foot est la pour souder tout le monde!🙂
le sujet est trop complexe et surtout devie. revenons a la thailande et malheureusement ce "fait divers"
du sac a dos a l'hotel 5 etoiles!
Pas de connexion depuis une dizaine de jours because les orages violents dans la région!Merci TitiVal, ta réponse est sympa mais vois-tu malgré la mort de Gregory, je suis toujours contre la peine de mort!Mais je n'ai pas de solution pour mettre fin à toutes ces horreurs qui ont lieu sur notre si belle planete;il y aura toujours des cingles!Gardons quand même l'espoir, il y a toujours des gens supers au milieu de tous ces malades!
Bonnes vacances!
JVKANMEM
Mistigrou, quelle gentillesse;cela me fait vraiment plaisir, un peu de compassion dans ce monde de brutes;cela calme ma peine et ma révolte!J'ai étéen panne d'internet pendant une dizaine de jours et n'ai pu répondre;mais je suis très touchée par ton message ;tout comme toi j'aime marcher, et je crois, en ce moment, que c'est ce qui m'aide à tenir le coup...Je te souhaite beaucoup de bonheur et encore plein de merveilleux voyages.Amicalement.
Jocelyne
JVKANMEM
Bonjour,
ce n'est pas à Phi-Phi que c'est arrivé, mais sur la baie très touristique de Nai Harn, à l'extrême6sud de l'ile de phuket!Un évènement horrible
par une matinée des plus agréables;que pourrai-je dire d'autre?Gregory s'est trouvé au mauvais moment, au mauvais endroit, c'est tout!
Depuis son déces, je parle avec de nombreuses personnes, et dans ma région il y a déjà 8 personnes qui se sont faits tuer en thailande, d'autres ont disparues dans le sud de Phuket lors d'excursion...voilà!En parlant de mon cas je voulais juste prévenir, mais certains n'ont pas l'air de comprendre, tant pis
Salut Patrick.
JVKANMEM
Je vais essayer d'écrire un message avec des pincettes, sans minimiser votre souffrance.
Vous ecrivez que vous voulez prévenir les gens des risques mais dans ce cas pourquoi
ne pas décrire la situation ? Comment les gens pourrait ce méfier de quelque chose
si il ne savent pas de quoi il sagit.
Ce n'est pas que les gens ne comprennent pas, mais il est difficile de prendre au serieux
ou en tous cas de ce sentir concerner par quelque chose d'aussi peu concret.
Pour finir rassure toi, je pense que les gens sont prudent en général, que ce soit en thailande comme dans le metro parisien... car ce serait stupide de diaboliser la thailande, le danger est partout du bout du monde a notre baignoire... 8 touriste mort ces derniers mois ? Et combien en france ? en europe ? dans le reste du monde...?
Pour finir rassure toi, je pense que les gens sont prudent en général, que ce soit en thailande comme dans le metro parisien... car ce serait stupide de diaboliser la thailande, le danger est partout du bout du monde a notre baignoire... 8 touriste mort ces derniers mois ? Et combien en france ? en europe ? dans le reste du monde...?
"La malediction du touriste, plongé dans la quête effréné d'endroits "non-touristiques"
que sa seule présence contribue à discréditer, poussé ainsi à aller toujours plus loin
dans un projet que sa réalisation rend au fur et à mesure vaine."
Salut.
Gaspard à raison, je relis tes messages Jvkanmen afin de mieux comprendre ce qu'il s'est passé.
Sans vouloir t'offenser, loin de là mon idée, mais je trouve ton histoire incroyable, c'est trop floue...
Néanmoins, la Thaïlande reste un pays sur.
On ne désire pas ce qu'on ne connaît pas.
On écrit pour raconter, non pour prouver.
http://velo-thailand.over-blog.com/
http://velo-thailand.over-blog.com/
(J'ai mis dix minutes a comprendre d'ou tu sortait le "gaspard"...
J'avais oublié mon profil... et voila fini de passer incognito. 😉)
"La malediction du touriste, plongé dans la quête effréné d'endroits "non-touristiques"
que sa seule présence contribue à discréditer, poussé ainsi à aller toujours plus loin
dans un projet que sa réalisation rend au fur et à mesure vaine."
dans ma région il y a déjà 8 personnes qui se sont faits tuer en thailande, d'autres ont disparues dans le sud de Phuket lors d'excursion...
Je ne crois pas qu' on en ait entendu parler récemment... d' où tiens tu ces informations s' il te plait ?
Je ne crois pas qu' on en ait entendu parler récemment... d' où tiens tu ces informations s' il te plait ?
Bonjours JVKANMEM,
Je pense comme beaucoup de membres de ce forum, que la Thaialnde est un pays agréables, où les thai sont pkus polis et souriants qu'à Paris.
Un pays magnifique c'est vrai, mais il y a peut-être un MAIS !
Selon les stats du site http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders
dont la source provient d'après ce que je peux lire du bureau des nations unies (période étudiée 1998-2000)
En moyenne il y a 5 fois plus de meurtres en thailande qu'en France ! (pour une population presue égale) !
Même si ces stats sont moyennement fiables, la thailande qui reste le pays du sourire pour moi, avec en moins la sinistrose et les déclinologues comparés à la France. Bon ce n'est pas forcément un pays où règne la tranquilité pour tout le monde.😮
A BKK, il y a peut-etre moins de risuqes que dans les provinces du sud d'ailleurs ! Et les touristes sont pour l'instant peut-être encore plus protégés par la police !😉
Cela dit, moi je retournerai en thailande début 2007, j'adorerais y vivre de toute façon. Je reste ZEN. 🙂
Bon courage JVKANMEM.
sawatdee kha ! Erika.
Même si ces stats sont moyennement fiables, la thailande qui reste le pays du sourire pour moi, avec en moins la sinistrose et les déclinologues comparés à la France. Bon ce n'est pas forcément un pays où règne la tranquilité pour tout le monde.😮
A BKK, il y a peut-etre moins de risuqes que dans les provinces du sud d'ailleurs ! Et les touristes sont pour l'instant peut-être encore plus protégés par la police !😉
Cela dit, moi je retournerai en thailande début 2007, j'adorerais y vivre de toute façon. Je reste ZEN. 🙂
Bon courage JVKANMEM.
sawatdee kha ! Erika.
Le sage se conforme aux principes éternels :
de la modération, de la droiture, de l'humanité
et de la justice. (Philosophie chinoise).
Bonjour à tous,
Juste pour vous dire que l'histoire de cette dame est vraie...je l'ai lue sur "Phuket gazette online" (en anglais) le jour même ou cela s'est passé ...communiqué de la police qui parlait d'un accident sans exclure un autre "probléme"...
Cela m'avait choqué et trés peiné...
Allez lire l'article je suppose qu'il est dans les archives du site car ils gardent les infos assez longtemps...
Pour sur il y a plus de meurtres de Thailandais entre eux, il ne se passe guére de semaines sans que je lise qu'untel ou une telle s'est fait égorgée ou flingué par un tueur à moto...mais bon !vu l'instabilité du monde à l'heure actuelle... difficile de trouver un endroit sans aucun danger aucun !!!
Pour peut etre éviter la violence et la désamorcer...essayons avec nos maigres moyens d'etre courtois et faire preuve d'un peu plus d'empathie...
Et donc quoi de mieux que le dialogue et les forums 🙂 @ bientôt et merci ...
Juste pour vous dire que l'histoire de cette dame est vraie...je l'ai lue sur "Phuket gazette online" (en anglais) le jour même ou cela s'est passé ...communiqué de la police qui parlait d'un accident sans exclure un autre "probléme"...
Cela m'avait choqué et trés peiné...
Allez lire l'article je suppose qu'il est dans les archives du site car ils gardent les infos assez longtemps...
Pour sur il y a plus de meurtres de Thailandais entre eux, il ne se passe guére de semaines sans que je lise qu'untel ou une telle s'est fait égorgée ou flingué par un tueur à moto...mais bon !vu l'instabilité du monde à l'heure actuelle... difficile de trouver un endroit sans aucun danger aucun !!!
Pour peut etre éviter la violence et la désamorcer...essayons avec nos maigres moyens d'etre courtois et faire preuve d'un peu plus d'empathie...
Et donc quoi de mieux que le dialogue et les forums 🙂 @ bientôt et merci ...
Dans le respect nait la liberté...
Bonjour,
Inutile de prendre des pincettes, je n'ai pas l'habitude des mièvreries!Quant à minimiser ma souffrance cela est impossible!J'ai raconté les faits tels qu'ils se sont passés, au moins 5 fois, maintenant basta...J'ai cru bien faire, j'aurais mieux fait de la fermer!
Pourtant il y a des gens qui tuent juste pour tuer, et partout dans le monde...si une tombe avec mon fils dedans depuis 3 mois aujourd'hui, ce n'est pas concret, alors je ne sais pas ce qu'il te faut!
Quant au sérieux!Permets moi de te dire que tu préférerais que j'aille à la TV déballer tout en détails comme tous ces guignolos...histoire de frimer sur la mort de mon fils...Beurk!
Beaucoup m'ont envoyé des messages privés et j'ai pu leur expliquer les faits.
Voilà, sans rancune!
JVKANMEM
Merci Erika,
Je retournerai moi aussi, an Thailande, début 2007.C'est un pays si beau;je ferai le même circuit que cette année;BKk;Cambodge;puis l'extrême sud de Phuket, mais seule cette fois!puis j'irai me recueillir sur cette si magnifique baie de Nai Harn où, peutêtre l'âme de Gregory attend que je la raméne en France, à moins qu'elle préfère rester là-bas!Je rêve encore...
Sawatdee kha.
Jocelyne
JVKANMEM
Je tiens ces informations de personnes que je connais et qui se sont mis à parler aprés avoir appris la mort de mon fils;mardi, j'ai même appris de mon dentiste, que ses meilleurs amis, adeptes de tour du monde en bateau, renonçaient à leur passion tant il y avait de crimes, juste pour le plaisir de tuer...et ces espèces de pirates sont de toutes nationalités!
Voilà, ce sont juste des informations données!
Par exemple, à La Réunion, on parle récemment de disparitions!Vrai ou faux, je n'y suis jamais allée!
Bonsoir Forco
JVKANMEM
escuse nous de notre mefiance, mais je suis de l'avis de gaspard.
nous ne minimisons pas votre souffrance, ni ce qu'il s'est passer.
parler d'une mort n'est pas si concret que ca. ce n'est pas un fin en soit. c'est un sujet de questionnement et de mefiance aussi. parce que l'on touche a un extreme du voyage aussi.
en te lisant j'ai eu aussi un moment de reflexion parce que je ne situai pas bien ce qu'il s'etait vraiment passé. tu as raconter l'histoire mais moi....je n'ai pas bien compris. ce n'est pas le soucis en meme temps. ce qui est arrivé...est arrivé.
Peterpan7733 ne te demande pas forcement des details mais peut etre d'etre plus clair sur un drame qui pourrai nous arriver à tous. des agressions, il y en a partout. tout le monde le sait. je ne sais pas trop ou est l'interet de tout ceci....si ce n'est que de relater des faits pour que d'autres se mefis. mais c'est inutile d'avance. on ne prefere pas non plus que tu ailles deballer ton histoire au grand public. non, tout de meme. tu viens quand meme ici...et ce message est lu par des centaines de personnes. et cela nous touche de pres ou de loin.
si on poste un message, quelque soit le contenu, on s'attend a des interogations. tu le sais bien puisque tu nous dis que tu as repondu gentillement a des messages MP. Or à la premiere lecture.....oui cette histoire parait floue. pour moi... je me suis meme dis: tiens mais c'est peut etre une histoire de drogue....ou je ne sais quoi.
apres tout ce post peut peut-etre nous amener à parler des precautions minimum à prendre en voyage.... mais si cet act etait gratuit (comme il semble l'etre) alors cela ne sert a rien. ou presque.
personnellement, la seule histoire que j'ai entendu en thailande est celle d'un type qui revenait à bangkok (un farang expat') et qui a voulu prendre un taxi le soir de l'aeroport. il est sortit au niveau des depart et n'a pas pris un taxi dit "officiel". le gars lui demande sa direction...et ne la prend finalement pas. tout ca pour l'amener dans une soi de la ville ou des types se sont arachés ses affaires et on menacer de le flinguer (flingue à l'appui)..... bref, c'est une hsitoire banale parmis tant d'autres.... cela fiche la trouille. mais ce n'est pas bangkok. ni la thailande. c'est juste.......le monde.
en te lisant j'ai eu aussi un moment de reflexion parce que je ne situai pas bien ce qu'il s'etait vraiment passé. tu as raconter l'histoire mais moi....je n'ai pas bien compris. ce n'est pas le soucis en meme temps. ce qui est arrivé...est arrivé.
Peterpan7733 ne te demande pas forcement des details mais peut etre d'etre plus clair sur un drame qui pourrai nous arriver à tous. des agressions, il y en a partout. tout le monde le sait. je ne sais pas trop ou est l'interet de tout ceci....si ce n'est que de relater des faits pour que d'autres se mefis. mais c'est inutile d'avance. on ne prefere pas non plus que tu ailles deballer ton histoire au grand public. non, tout de meme. tu viens quand meme ici...et ce message est lu par des centaines de personnes. et cela nous touche de pres ou de loin.
si on poste un message, quelque soit le contenu, on s'attend a des interogations. tu le sais bien puisque tu nous dis que tu as repondu gentillement a des messages MP. Or à la premiere lecture.....oui cette histoire parait floue. pour moi... je me suis meme dis: tiens mais c'est peut etre une histoire de drogue....ou je ne sais quoi.
apres tout ce post peut peut-etre nous amener à parler des precautions minimum à prendre en voyage.... mais si cet act etait gratuit (comme il semble l'etre) alors cela ne sert a rien. ou presque.
personnellement, la seule histoire que j'ai entendu en thailande est celle d'un type qui revenait à bangkok (un farang expat') et qui a voulu prendre un taxi le soir de l'aeroport. il est sortit au niveau des depart et n'a pas pris un taxi dit "officiel". le gars lui demande sa direction...et ne la prend finalement pas. tout ca pour l'amener dans une soi de la ville ou des types se sont arachés ses affaires et on menacer de le flinguer (flingue à l'appui)..... bref, c'est une hsitoire banale parmis tant d'autres.... cela fiche la trouille. mais ce n'est pas bangkok. ni la thailande. c'est juste.......le monde.
"not all who wander are lost"
Bonjour Poupette,
Je viens de lire ton message à l'instant, et je réponds à tous!Je connais la vie et je sais comme tout le monde que nul endroit est sûr!Sans danger, le voyage aurait_il autant d'attrait?Partisans de l"aventure, mon fils et moi, avons parcouru pas mal de coins, dits dangereux, sans problème et là, le premier voyage organisé et c'est la catastrophe!Je crois personnellement au destin, donc c'était écrit...mais n'étant pas plus maligne que les autres...si je me trompais et que Gregory serait peut-être encore vivant s'il n'était pas allé vers les rochers!Question sans réponse.
La drogue, non;si seulement il y avait eu une raison comme cela, ce serait moins horrible!Ou autre chose;mais nous ne connaissions personnes là-bas;puisque nous avions passé les jours précédents à faire des excursions;dont celle de la baie de Phang Gna qui est une pure merveille!Auparavant, nous étions au Cambodge et avant à BKK et le nord de la Thâilande§
¨Bien sûr que c'est flou puisque qq fois je me demande si c'est vrai, tellement c'est dingue!D'autant + que tous les papiers qui devaient m'etre remis lors de l'arrivée du corps de mon fils ont disparu:les 2rapports d'autopsie de Phuket et de BKK et son passeport...Depuis 3 mois, je me bats pour les récupérer!Alors pour etre flou, c'est flou!Maintenant, je tiens à tous vous remercier pour l'interêt que vous avez porté à mon témoignage;tous m'ont été bénéfiques;les uns ont adouci mon chagrin et apporté de précieux renseignements;les autres m'ont fait vibrée et révoltée, tant mieux, la révolte est un puissant analgésique!et j'avais besoin d'un sérieux remontant!
Mais si Gregory avait une drogue;la même que moi et sûrement celle aussi des habitués de Voyage-Forum:les voyages!
"Je me révolte, donc je suis." Camus
"Le destin, c'est simplement la forme accélérée du temps." Giraudoux
Des beaux voyages et merci.
JVKANMEM
Moi aussi j' ai un fils et je comprends vraiment ta detresse et ta douleur ;je comprends aussi ta colere et ton envie d' en parler, de parler de ton fils, de ce jour qui a fait tout basculer, qui a change ta vie en cauchemar, je te presente mes sinceres condoleances, j' ai fremis en lisant ton mail et je suis absolument scandalisee par les reactions de certains :oser (entre-autre )faire la reclame de son blog de voyage, ton message ne peux avoir comme reponse que des messages de sympathie ou alors c' est que les gens deviennent completement fous, fous et d' un egoisme a hurler (oui et a ecrire en MAJUSCULE tellement que la fureur m' etrangle )Permet -moi de te serrer tres fort dans mes bras .HUGUETTE
je ne savais pas les gens curieux face a un post qui les concernent tous, FOUS.
n'est ce pas un peu exagerer?
nous comprenons tous la douleur de cette dame, la n'est pas le soucis.
permets moi juste de signaler mon etonnement: si on poste sur un forum tel que VF un message comme celui ci pour uniquement recueillir de la compassion d'inconnus....alors je ne vois pas l'interet. comme elle dit, c'est un peu comme si elle devait aller a la tv raconter son histoire devant des milliers de personne qui ne seront la que pour la juger. le message sous entend une certaine alerte aux voyageurs et appel a une mefiance general. nous reagissons donc envers cela, sans nier les faits ni les minimiser. nuance. merci de ne pas faire l'amalguame. que peux on dire d'autre?
que la fureur t'etrangle peut etre pour rien a la suite de ces posts. ne pas vouloir en venir a la reflexion sur le sujet d'une mort est tout autant nier les faits, les obstruer. cela fait partit aussi de l'interrogation vers laquelle cette dame nous a "volontairement" amener. je veux bien avoir de la peine, etre triste, compatir.... mais comme je l'ai dis, cela va plus loin parce que cela nous concerne tous.
tous ceci n'est pas de l'egoisme et personnelement je ne veux pas etre hypocrite en gardant pour moi des interrogations qui me sont venues naturellement et qui ne me paraissent pas indencente. et sincerement, a part dans le cas d'une relation directe ou je ne me permettrai pas de dire ca, pleurer une mort aussi etrange et dure, sans chercher a voir plus loin.........c'est juste oublier que la vie continue et que la mise en garde de voyageurs tels que cela a ete fait ici, ne peux pas passer inconito.
permets moi juste de signaler mon etonnement: si on poste sur un forum tel que VF un message comme celui ci pour uniquement recueillir de la compassion d'inconnus....alors je ne vois pas l'interet. comme elle dit, c'est un peu comme si elle devait aller a la tv raconter son histoire devant des milliers de personne qui ne seront la que pour la juger. le message sous entend une certaine alerte aux voyageurs et appel a une mefiance general. nous reagissons donc envers cela, sans nier les faits ni les minimiser. nuance. merci de ne pas faire l'amalguame. que peux on dire d'autre?
que la fureur t'etrangle peut etre pour rien a la suite de ces posts. ne pas vouloir en venir a la reflexion sur le sujet d'une mort est tout autant nier les faits, les obstruer. cela fait partit aussi de l'interrogation vers laquelle cette dame nous a "volontairement" amener. je veux bien avoir de la peine, etre triste, compatir.... mais comme je l'ai dis, cela va plus loin parce que cela nous concerne tous.
tous ceci n'est pas de l'egoisme et personnelement je ne veux pas etre hypocrite en gardant pour moi des interrogations qui me sont venues naturellement et qui ne me paraissent pas indencente. et sincerement, a part dans le cas d'une relation directe ou je ne me permettrai pas de dire ca, pleurer une mort aussi etrange et dure, sans chercher a voir plus loin.........c'est juste oublier que la vie continue et que la mise en garde de voyageurs tels que cela a ete fait ici, ne peux pas passer inconito.
"not all who wander are lost"
Merci Huguette,
ton message est sympa, mais vois-tu les femmes qui n'ont pas vécu un tel drame ne peuvent ni comprendre, ni savoir ce que c'est!Auparavant j'étais bien loin d'imaginer l'horreur qu'est la perte d'un enfant, ni l'immense souffrance qui l'accompagne;je savais que c'était horrible, mais c'est pire que ça, c'est inhumain, voire insoutenable!Mais personne ne reste insensible ;les uns affichent une telle morgue que cela me révolte et c'est très bien;cela me permet de tenir le coup!les autres sont comme toi, touchés, compatissants et m'apaisent, ce qui est trés bien aussi!Laissons-leur la liberté de s'exprimer ;soyons tolérantes et ouvertes aux autres!
Si on m'avait raconté une telle histoire, avant le5 avril 2006, j'aurais sans doute, moi aussi, été sceptique;j'aurais pensé drogue, homosexualité, trafic
+ou- louche etc...
Bien sûr que le monde est fou, il n'y a qu'à ouvrir n'importe quel quotidien pour en avoir la preuve:ce ne sont que guerres, massacres, séisme, accidents...
Tu sais, quand j'ai découvert mon fils tué dans cette magnifique baie de Nai Harn, j'ai tellement hurlé et pleuré que j' n'ai plus eu de voix pendant plus d'un mois et je n'ai plus pu verser une seule larme depuis! J'essaye de me calmer puisque quoi que je fasse, rien ne me le ramènera vivant!
Mais bien sûr que j'ai envie de hurler comme une bete fauve!
J'aimerais tant exprimer ma reconnaissance à toutes ces femmes, qui comme toi, comprennent et partagent ma peine, mais comment?Peut-être
en leur souhaitant des moments aussi intenses que ceux que j'ai partagé avec Gregory lors de nos nombreux périples!
Je te serre très fort dans mes bras.Amicalement
Jocelyne
JVKANMEM
en tout cas, ta sincerité me touche et ton courage.
comme quoi se poser des questions n'est pas si.....inhumain ou egoiste. je pense a huguetter.
on est tous compatissant. je defi quique ce soit de dire le contraire.
on ne va pas attendre la perte d'un enfant pour pouvoir s'exprimer. bon sur ce point, je pense que c'est assez clair.
moi c'est le jugement d'huguetter qui m'enerve. ben oui. il m'enerve parce que quoi? il faudrai n'etre qu'hypocrite et refuser toute reflexion autour de ce sujet? compatire c'est une chose. etre honnete (tout en compatissant) en est une autre.
en tout cas, je le redis...mais un accident de ce genre n'est pas banal. en dehors d'un parent lié directement, comme vous jvkanmem, compatir dure une seconde....et etre curieux devient une seconde nature. ce n'est pas du voyeurisme (selon moi) puisque c'est afficher clairement ici, sur ce forum. vous devriez revoir vos prejugé madame huguetter. c'est la moindre des choses. le monde est peut etre cinglé mais un peu d'objectivité et de bon sens serai une bonne chose.
avec tout le respect que je vous dois.
moi c'est le jugement d'huguetter qui m'enerve. ben oui. il m'enerve parce que quoi? il faudrai n'etre qu'hypocrite et refuser toute reflexion autour de ce sujet? compatire c'est une chose. etre honnete (tout en compatissant) en est une autre.
en tout cas, je le redis...mais un accident de ce genre n'est pas banal. en dehors d'un parent lié directement, comme vous jvkanmem, compatir dure une seconde....et etre curieux devient une seconde nature. ce n'est pas du voyeurisme (selon moi) puisque c'est afficher clairement ici, sur ce forum. vous devriez revoir vos prejugé madame huguetter. c'est la moindre des choses. le monde est peut etre cinglé mais un peu d'objectivité et de bon sens serai une bonne chose.
avec tout le respect que je vous dois.
"not all who wander are lost"
Mais Poupette râle encore!Sans doute l'apanage dû à ses 23 ans!Poupette, calmos mon petit!Il ne faut pas t'énerver pour des bricoles!Chacun a le droit de réagir à sa façon!Nous parlions sécurité en Thailande, nous n'allons pas débattre sur la compassion (quoique les asiatiques font preuve de beaucoup de compassion), ni sur la curiosité(qui, elle, guide les baroudeurs que nous sommes)!
Je n'ai jamais parlé de voyeurisme et respecte les idées de chacun;quant à l'honnêteté, je pense en faire preuve!Amoins que je me sois mal fait comprendre et espère réparer mon erreur si erreur il y a!
BKKun bon restaurant sympa et pas cher:Slim-Bo 29/18-21 RCA Soi Sunvichai, Rama IX Rd Bangkapi, Huikhang ;la patronne Jiraporn parle parfaitement l'anglais et peut trouver des endroits pas chers où dormir.
True Home:des maisons sympas à louer au sud de Phuket;Suriya Sampowrat:81/15 soi Samakkea 2;Vises Road, Rawai;83130, PHUKET
Au Cambodge, à Siem Reap, une rue remplie de restaurants bon marché cuisine thaï, khmer etc...ou l'on parle même français:0597, Wat Bo Village
et le must un guide francophone;La Ouk Chou à Siem Reap.
Quelques plans qui peuvent t'interesser si tu prépares un grand voyage!
A +
Jocelyne
JVKANMEM
bonsoir,
alors pour etre honnete jvkanmem, si il y a bien une chose dont j'ai absolument horreur, ce sont les reflexions sur mon age. surtout dans ce cas...ou c'est limite hors propos. mais pas de probleme...les incomprehensions sont souvent de mises lors de lecture trop rapide. mes 23 ans, je crois que je les porte plutot bien sans trop de fougue et un franc parler honnete. surtout que sans vouloir t'offencer, je ne me suis en aucun cas enerver et surtout si tu avais pris le temps de lire correctement, tu te serai rendu compte (pourtant je le precise) que je m'adresse en majorité a huguetter. tu n'as jamais parler de voyeurisme c'est vrai mais tu as parler de ne pas vouloir t'exposer par exemple dans un show télé, et que dans ce cas ce serai...degoutant. en gros. je te disais donc (suite a ca) que ce voyeurisme là ne nous interressait pas de toute facon et que je le comparait à l'etalage de sa vie sur un forum aux yeux de milliers de gens. sauf dans le cas ou l'on partait du principe qu'il y aurai un echange. ce qui t'etait favorable puisque tu repondais a tout le monde. je m'adressais surtout a huguetter qui affirmait trouver les reponses autres que compatissante: choquante. et nous prenait pour des fous.
donc je n'ai rien a dire d'autres...sur ce point, ni sur la compassion. apparement cela derangeait bcp madame H. et c'est cette hypocrisie qui m'a gené.
voili voilou....sans rancune.
alors pour etre honnete jvkanmem, si il y a bien une chose dont j'ai absolument horreur, ce sont les reflexions sur mon age. surtout dans ce cas...ou c'est limite hors propos. mais pas de probleme...les incomprehensions sont souvent de mises lors de lecture trop rapide. mes 23 ans, je crois que je les porte plutot bien sans trop de fougue et un franc parler honnete. surtout que sans vouloir t'offencer, je ne me suis en aucun cas enerver et surtout si tu avais pris le temps de lire correctement, tu te serai rendu compte (pourtant je le precise) que je m'adresse en majorité a huguetter. tu n'as jamais parler de voyeurisme c'est vrai mais tu as parler de ne pas vouloir t'exposer par exemple dans un show télé, et que dans ce cas ce serai...degoutant. en gros. je te disais donc (suite a ca) que ce voyeurisme là ne nous interressait pas de toute facon et que je le comparait à l'etalage de sa vie sur un forum aux yeux de milliers de gens. sauf dans le cas ou l'on partait du principe qu'il y aurai un echange. ce qui t'etait favorable puisque tu repondais a tout le monde. je m'adressais surtout a huguetter qui affirmait trouver les reponses autres que compatissante: choquante. et nous prenait pour des fous.
donc je n'ai rien a dire d'autres...sur ce point, ni sur la compassion. apparement cela derangeait bcp madame H. et c'est cette hypocrisie qui m'a gené.
voili voilou....sans rancune.
"not all who wander are lost"
Sans parler de compassion ou de curiosité, il y a quand même les égards que l'on peut avoir et une retenue qu'on s'impose dans la forme.
Il y a quelque chose de désagréablement déplacé dans toutes ces querelles d'intention - le message de départ, en majuscules ( justement) dit suffisamment bien ce qu'il a à dire.
Je me permets de prendre la défense de Poupette qui a, comme tout le monde, le droit d'exprimer son point de vue. C'est un forum, et jusqu'à nouvel avis, le but est de pouvoir s'exprimer. Quant au fait de minimiser ses propos en utilisant son âge, je trouve cela petit et inversément proportionnel au ton hautain et supérieur que vous utilisez. La douleur n'excuse pas tout. Nous avons tous quelque chose à apprendre des autres.
C'est avec des mentalités comme la vôtre que des jeunes n'ont souvent pas le droit à leur chance.
Pour finir: la mort fait partie de la vie, c'est triste mais c'est ainsi que va la vie.
Un petit mot pour Huguetter: nous avons tous perdu un jour ou l'autre quelqu'un et comprenons aussi, que l'on soit mère ou non, la douleur que l'on peut endurer. Encore une fois, nous sommes sur un forum et un forum est fait pour DISCUTER et pas seulement pour pleurer sur notre sort ou celui des autres.
C'est avec des mentalités comme la vôtre que des jeunes n'ont souvent pas le droit à leur chance.
Pour finir: la mort fait partie de la vie, c'est triste mais c'est ainsi que va la vie.
Un petit mot pour Huguetter: nous avons tous perdu un jour ou l'autre quelqu'un et comprenons aussi, que l'on soit mère ou non, la douleur que l'on peut endurer. Encore une fois, nous sommes sur un forum et un forum est fait pour DISCUTER et pas seulement pour pleurer sur notre sort ou celui des autres.
le message en majuscule, je m'escuse, non ne dit justement rien (et laisse part à l'imagination, pardonnez moi) et sous entend des choses qui nous concernent tous. pour un peu que nous soyons les voyageurs que nous pretendons etre.
j'admet avoir un point de vue plus tranché et que d'autre en ai...un autre mais il faut etre honnete.
c'est tout.
et je n'y vois strictement rien de deplacé...au contraire.
se morfondre pour apaiser la douleur (des autres), est a mon sens une bonne facon de l'entretenir.
de notre place, ce qu'on peux faire et surtout le message qui nous est adresser va au dela de ca.
merci cartman
😕
merci cartman
😕
"not all who wander are lost"
merci de ton conseil, ca devrai aller mieux maintenant...🙂
j'aurai pu rater mon week end.
"not all who wander are lost"
Salut Poupette,
Comment peux-tu croire que j'ai des préjugés sur ton âge;vraiment j'ai dû mal m"exprimer, moi qui aime tant la jeunesse et la fougue qui l'anime!
C"zst dommage que nous nous comprenions si mal, alors que j'aurai vraiment voulu communiquer et échanger des expériences, des idées de voyages ou autre...
Voilà, c'est tout.
JVKANMEM
comment je peux croire?
simplement en ayant lu le debut de ton post. mais pas de soucis....il y a incomprehension.
sans rancune😛
"not all who wander are lost"
Bonjour,
Bien sûr, Poupette a le droit de s'exprimer, mais les autres aussi!
Quant au ton hautain que je suis censé employer, alors là vous devez rêver;j'essaie simplement d'utiliser des termes simples et je ne vois pas où se situe une quelconque supériorité. Je suis vraiment surprise et j'ai l'impression de ne plus parler la même langue que vous...Pourtant beaucoup m'ont comprise.La douleur excuse beaucoup...mais pas tout, je suis d'accord.
"Le caractère de l'esprit juste, c'est d'éviter l'erreur en évitant de porter des jugements." Condillac
La vie est la première partie de la mort.
JVKANMEM
merci pour ton précieux conseil jocelyne!
Je tacherai de faire attention à ma petite pomme en voyage.
Mais s'il est écrit que je dois mourir lors d'un de mes voyages ou moins glauque que je me fasse agresser...ce sera écrit.
Chez nous rien n'est du au hasard...si je décide de prendre un billet pour la thailande et qu'il m'arrive quelque chose de mauvais...ce sera ainsi....
le tout est de vivre pleinement ses rêves...de ne pas s'empecher de voyager parce qu'on y risque une agression...
je peux mourir demain en sortant du travail...je n'ai la main que sur ma vie présente...
mais bon je ne t'apprends rien ...tu as plus de vécue que moi
alors je prends en compte ton conseil....
biz*
fatiha
biz*
fatiha
il y a ceux qui rêvent de partir et ceux qui partent!
hélas c'est dramatique oui c'est vrai
mais des crimes il yen a partout donc c'est comme ça
j'y était en février 2006 au sabana resort à nai harn et c'était très calme. comme quoi il suffit de peu de chose pour que ça bascule
comme ici en france il ya bien eu en france deux jeunes filles de moins de 20 ans assassinées il ya peu de temps des échanges de coups de feu à marseille etc etc et hélas la vie continue
dans tous les pays du monde il ya des drames terribles comme le votre et on continue d'y aller
bon courage à vous
mais des crimes il yen a partout donc c'est comme ça
j'y était en février 2006 au sabana resort à nai harn et c'était très calme. comme quoi il suffit de peu de chose pour que ça bascule
comme ici en france il ya bien eu en france deux jeunes filles de moins de 20 ans assassinées il ya peu de temps des échanges de coups de feu à marseille etc etc et hélas la vie continue
dans tous les pays du monde il ya des drames terribles comme le votre et on continue d'y aller
bon courage à vous
c'est un post de 2006 réactivé . les anciens du forum vont raler
pas grave j'y ai répondu sans doute qu'elle ne lira pas
la thailande n'est pas plus dangeureuse qu'un autre pays
donc je suis comme toi je ne m'arrête pas à des drames qui sont arrivés
j'ai même été à bali quand il ya eu les attentats etc etc
tremblements de terre à los angelès en 1994 j'y étais et j'y retourne donc.....
pas grave j'y ai répondu sans doute qu'elle ne lira pas
la thailande n'est pas plus dangeureuse qu'un autre pays
donc je suis comme toi je ne m'arrête pas à des drames qui sont arrivés
j'ai même été à bali quand il ya eu les attentats etc etc
tremblements de terre à los angelès en 1994 j'y étais et j'y retourne donc.....
c'est un post de 2006 réactivé . les anciens du forum vont raler
Non, ils rigolent . 😏😏😏
Non, ils rigolent . 😏😏😏
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
c est une realite tres dure mais c est une realite qu ils s entretuent par milliers par annees dans le pays du "sourire" parfois pour un mauvais regad des jeunes se trucident et je mythonne pas mon gars 5 a 6000 meurtres a l annee le trafic de drogue l exploitation sexuelle de femmes et d enfants tiens comme ils font pas les choses a moitie sache que pour un simple litige perso ou un contentieux commercial on a vu des gens payer les services de tueurs a gages une poignee de baths. 😮😮😮 apres le baratin mais oui c est les farangs etc...c est archifaux tout comme la pedophilie est eseentiellement locale les crimes sont essentiellement thais...
petite devinette : quel est le seul pays au monde ou 17 ressortissants brittaniques ont été assasines depuis 2003🙁
maintenant si la vérité te dérange tu n as qu a pas lire ce post...
petite devinette : quel est le seul pays au monde ou 17 ressortissants brittaniques ont été assasines depuis 2003🙁
maintenant si la vérité te dérange tu n as qu a pas lire ce post...
petite devinette : quel est le seul pays au monde ou 17 ressortissants brittaniques ont été assasines depuis 2003🙁
maintenant si la vérité te dérange tu n as qu a pas lire ce post...
Ben....L'Angleterre pardis..............
maintenant si la vérité te dérange tu n as qu a pas lire ce post...
Ben....L'Angleterre pardis..............
La ou le vent nous emporteras
petite devinette : quel est le seul pays au monde ou 17 ressortissants brittaniques ont été assasines depuis 2003🙁
maintenant si la vérité te dérange tu n as qu a pas lire ce post...
Ben....L'Angleterre pardis..............
on ne dirait pas dans ce cas "ressortissant" 🙂 j adore toutefois ton humour
maintenant si la vérité te dérange tu n as qu a pas lire ce post...
Ben....L'Angleterre pardis..............
on ne dirait pas dans ce cas "ressortissant" 🙂 j adore toutefois ton humour
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Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
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We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
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Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
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Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,