The King of Thailand has died
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FR Franklenfant Veteran ·
I was in Bangkok during the 2010 events (over 80 dead, thousands injured), and my friends were disappointed he didn’t intervene. "Disappointed," but not critical, since you don’t criticize the king.

I wasn’t in Bangkok on May 19, 2010, because I was in our rice fields in Isan, but I should’ve been there (in Bangkok). A good part of the village and I were supposed to go down to lend a hand to those already there. You’re right, Charlie—over 80 dead. In reality, more than 700. That’s a long way from 80. The official figure given is over 91 dead.

Why such a gap between the official number and the real one? For more details, check out the writings of Giles Ji Ungpakorn, for example—a Thai academic exiled in Great Britain. Luckily, he had dual nationality (Thai and British), otherwise he’d be rotting behind pretty bars or already dead. Exiled why? Because of his book A Coup for the Rich.

It’s not just *Le Figaro* or *Le Monde* you should read...

There’s also *Prachathai*—in English for those who don’t read Thai.

http://prachatai.org/english/node/6650?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+prachataienglish+%28Prachatai+in+English%29

Or *Political Prisoners in Thailand*

https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/
Le socialisme ne peut fonctionner qu’au paradis où il n’est pas utile, et en enfer où ils l’ont déjà
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
A tribute found on YouTube...

CL Claude25004 ·
2'32'': it would've been more honest if the author had replaced the "we all love you" with something like "some people love you".
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Meanwhile, in Bangkok. Maybe one day, Thais will learn the content of some exchanges on this forum. Some are already aware, by the way.



CH Charli120 Veteran ·
It’s the season of mourning.

Sanam Luang

CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Black is black...

CH Charli120 Veteran ·
According to newspapers citing Mr. Srivara Ransibrahmanakul, deputy police chief, police have arrested 5 people for lèse-majesté since the king’s death. Most of those involved posted online messages criticizing the monarchy. Regarding other cases involving people living abroad, police are working in coordination with prosecutors specializing in international crime.

Funeral music

32 321 Veteran ·
Regarding other cases of individuals residing abroad, the police act in coordination with the public prosecutors responsible for international crime.

What a joke...
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FR Franklenfant Veteran ·
Regarding other cases of individuals residing abroad, the police act in coordination with the public prosecutors responsible for international crime.

What a joke...

I’d even say... what a *great* joke 🤪 ; On this topic, some guys or gals—more royalist than the king—want certain Thais living in France or Great Britain to be prosecuted, thrown in irons, and shipped back to Thailand in the hold... Too bad there aren’t enough spots in psychiatric hospitals in Thailand 🏴‍☠️
Le socialisme ne peut fonctionner qu’au paradis où il n’est pas utile, et en enfer où ils l’ont déjà
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
What a joke...

Farangs are snickering, Thais less so. Check out Liu Yangyue’s work or look into the "cyber scouts." The Bangkok Post is singing the praises of the royal decades. The 1970s seem particularly interesting to observe—at least for those who want to move beyond the snickering. This vision of HRH Bhumibol regarding man’s relationship with his land often appears in ultranationalist, even totalitarian, systems ("The land does not lie," etc.). It’s pretty amusing to see, since the various governments that followed have struggled to reconcile his "self-sufficiency" concept with the unbridled liberalism that’s driven the country’s economy for decades. At least the farangs in Lumpini Park will now know who invented those little paddle wheels you see all over the country. www.bangkokpost.com/...riculture-by-hm-king
BA Barefoot Veteran ·
I’ll go even further... That’s a really good joke

Go ahead, laugh. The day it actually happens, we’ll be laughing a lot less. I know some so-called socialist or "people’s democratic" republics that don’t hesitate to pressure families back home to punish expat dissidents. Too bad Thailand isn’t a military dictatorship yet, huh? 🤪
32 321 Veteran ·
What a joke...

Farangs are snickering, Thais less so.

Naturally, the infantilization of an entire people through the exacerbation of the personality cult (thanks for your link choice, which provides such a caricatured example) leaves its mark.

Its mark? What am I saying? Real bolts screwed into skulls...😕
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32 321 Veteran ·
Regarding other cases of people living abroad, the police act in coordination with the general prosecutors responsible for international crime.

What a joke...

I’ll even say it’s a *really* good joke 🤪 ; On this topic, some guys or gals more royalist than the King want certain Thai people living in France or Great Britain to be prosecuted, thrown in irons, sent back to Thailand in the ship’s hold... Too bad there aren’t enough spots in psychiatric hospitals in Thailand 🏴‍☠️

Go ahead, laugh. The day it actually happens, we’ll be laughing a lot less.

Let me know when the news is officially announced, so I can stop laughing in time...😇
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NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Let me know when the information is released, so I can stop laughing in time...

Hello, Just showing respect for a culture that isn’t yours—is that really asking too much, in the grand scheme of things? For Thai residents, whether it’s a child or not, the penalties are severe, and IP tracking outside of FB and YT is common practice. Abe.
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CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Naturally, the infantilization of an entire people through the exacerbation of the personality cult (thanks for your link choice, which offers such a caricatured example) leaves its mark. Marks? What am I saying? Real bolts screwed into skulls...😕

When a student lacks education, the blame should fall on their teachers. It’s also worth noting that thinking all "skulls" don’t think is forgetting what’s said in universities and ignoring that political criticism is constant. Those who voice these criticisms avoid targeting the monarchy—not out of ignorance, but because it doesn’t advance their ideas. And they risk nothing less than being thrown in prison for long sentences. The crime of lèse-majesté is nothing more or less than a tool of political repression used by the country’s real ruler: the Army. As for armchair revolutionaries, I’ll wait for the next uprising to see if they dare take to the streets.
CH ChristianC64 Veteran ·
Let me know when the news is out, so I can stop laughing in time...😇

Hmm... I know the story of a ladyboy who lived in France and badmouthed the King on Facebook... the authorities tracked him down through his French boyfriend... seems like said ladyboy is heading back to Thailand to do some thinking in prison...

Forewarned is forearmed, my dear sir!
...l'important n'est pas la destination mais l'expérience de ce que le voyage nous apporte...
CH Chanthaburi Veteran ·
Good evening Christian! You’re absolutely right—those who aren’t happy should stay home and definitely not come to Thailand! Once again, bravo for your comment and your respect for the Royal Family. When you know—or take the time to understand—the history of this country, the least you can do is show even more respect during this period of mourning.

Wishing you all the best!
" La Liberté, si elle est illimitée, conduit à son contraire, car si elle n'est pas protégée et restreinte par la Loi, la Liberté conduit nécessairement à la tyrannie du plus fort sur le plus faible " Karl Popper
32 321 Veteran ·
Make sure to let me know when the news is out, so I can stop laughing in time...😇

Hmm... I know the story of a ladyboy who lived in France and spoke ill of the King on Facebook... the authorities tracked him down through his French boyfriend... seems like said ladyboy is heading back to Thailand to do some thinking in prison...

Forewarned is forearmed, my dear sir!

You sure know some "fascinating" stories...
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32 321 Veteran ·
Once again, congratulations on your comment and your respect for the Royal Family

Oh wow, you’ve got to admit he was probably "the best of us." Quoting from here:

living reincarnation of King Ramkhamhaeng

a relationship with his people like a loving father with his children

the richest man on Earth, yet it was said his inner wealth was just as vast

Only love watched over him

And saving the best for last:

the said King awaited only his death, so he could become a God in his next life

Enough said!
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32 321 Veteran ·
when you know or take the trouble to understand the history of this country

So when you don’t know and want to take the trouble to understand: How the monarchy became established in the Thai political landscape
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CH Chanthaburi Veteran ·
Once again, congratulations on your comment and your respect for the Royal Family

Oh, it must be acknowledged that he was probably "the best of us." I quote (from here):

living reincarnation of King Ramkhamhaeng

a relationship with his people like a loving father with his children

the richest man on Earth, but it was said that his wealth was just as great inwardly

Only love watched over him

And the best for last:

the said King was only waiting for his death to become a God in his next life

No more to add!

Good evening! My message wasn’t aimed at you, but at Christian, and it’s clear he understood that on this forum and others, it’s strongly advised not to discuss Thailand’s political policies.

Fortunately, many members follow this advice, and I can see where you’re going with this, "sir," but it’s not about blindly following the crowd—it’s simply about showing respect for a country that isn’t ours!

Now, what can *you* do to change the daily life of the Thai people? Come on, you must have some ideas?! For a Frenchman who has freedom of speech, it should be super easy to get results... We can see every day how much better your country is doing...

Anyway, I’d be happy to read about "200 days of solitary confinement, barefoot and without a guide, deep in a Thai prison."

Best to all!

PS – Just stick to eating Lyon’s "Rosette" sausage, and then, sir, I’ll agree that when it comes to food, you’re the best...
" La Liberté, si elle est illimitée, conduit à son contraire, car si elle n'est pas protégée et restreinte par la Loi, la Liberté conduit nécessairement à la tyrannie du plus fort sur le plus faible " Karl Popper
32 321 Veteran ·
I’d be happy to read "Suspended for 200 days, without a guide or shoes, deep in a Thai prison"

Not satisfied with glorifying an archaic dictatorship, you’d become its right-hand man...😕

Thanks for leaving Europe...🙂
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CH ChristianC64 Veteran ·
You're really stupid... what I wrote... it's the Thais who think that...
...l'important n'est pas la destination mais l'expérience de ce que le voyage nous apporte...
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
So when you don't know and you want to take the trouble to understand

Hello, I’m taking the liberty of going slightly off-topic here, as I don’t want to clutter your wonderful travel journals. Living in Udon Thani, I see a constant stream of vehicles from Laos coming to Thai hospitals, like here in front of Bangkok Hospital (the Benz AMG is in front of Centara). The purchase price of these vehicles is staggering—I couldn’t take photos of a stunning Maybach and a Porsche Cayenne. Simple question: has the purchasing power increased significantly since 2007 (when I last visited Laos) for every citizen to own this kind of vehicle? Has the road infrastructure (which I found terrible) improved enough to fully enjoy these cars, which are designed for highways? And aren’t there any decent hospitals in Laos that people have to come to Thailand for medical care?

Thanks in advance for your response
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BA Barefoot Veteran ·
Let me know when the information is released, so I can stop laughing in time..

There’s nothing amusing about seeing the world turn into Big Brother or veer toward extremists of all kinds. I’ve read your travel journals too and I’m almost surprised by the amount of irony on your part. Laos hasn’t had a king since 1975—the Pathet Lao, a single party with no real opposition, sent the king, queen, and crown prince to an internment camp where they died. Is that better? Since then, the leaders have been lining their pockets and growing fat with China’s blessing, at the expense of the population and a freedom of expression that’s also heavily restricted (see Sombath Somphone in 2012). I know a few Laotians who immigrated to France and they were telling me about Aum Neko and drawing parallels with communism in Laos. Personally, this doesn’t make me laugh. I can understand that it might outrage you, but also understand the respect and mourning of an entire people for their sovereign, without calling them lobotomized.
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
So when you don’t know and you want to make the effort to understand:

Now that’s some expert-level information. Between the extreme precision of phrases like "many Thais"..."an attitude shared by a large segment of the population..." "...a completely infantilized population..." and the pretension of explaining decades of history in one page—when we know, for example, that the 1932 coup alone has generated countless contradictory academic analyses spanning hundreds of pages... As for the psyche, the unconscious is entirely absent from any materialist conception of the world, by definition.

Simple, summarized, objective, Manichean, easy to understand. I love the information doled out to uneducated people by the enlightened elite—and if they don’t want it, by force, with sickle and hammer. And above all, pick your side. But preferably mine, because all the others are wrong.
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Meanwhile, at Sanam Luang

NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Hello, I read, like other contributors, the stories from 321. And it’s amazing. Just a little compassion and understanding for the country as a whole and its paradoxes.

Edit: This was meant for 321. Not directly for you, sorry!
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32 321 Veteran ·
You're really stupid

Yeah, I'm an idiot, and you're shockingly naive (see your comments that I quoted). No big deal, and long live diversity!

what I wrote ... is what the Thais think...

I wasn’t talking about infantilization for no reason... So if it’s true (that Thais think that), then you’re perfectly illustrating the consequences with these splendid examples...😕
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32 321 Veteran ·
without going so far as to call them lobotomized.

cf. Sombath Somphone in 2012

I didn’t say "lobotomized" but "infantilized" (and I stand by that).

As for the rest (your comments on the situation in Laos), I completely agree with you (and since you mentioned it, the link to the support blog for S. Somphone has been in my profile since the year it was created).
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32 321 Veteran ·
So when you don’t know and you can’t be bothered to understand:

Now that’s some expert-level information. Between the extreme precision of phrases like "many Thais"..."an attitude shared by a large segment of the population..." "...a completely infantilized population..." and the pretension of explaining decades of history in one page—when we know, for example, that the 1932 coup alone has generated countless conflicting academic analyses spanning hundreds of pages... As for the psyche, the unconscious is absent from any materialist conception of the world by definition.

Simple, summarized, objective, black-and-white, easy to understand. I love the information handed down to uneducated people by enlightened elites, and if necessary, with a sickle and hammer when they don’t want it. And above all, pick your side. But preferably mine, because all the others are wrong.

Once again, you have nothing to say. So I’ll move on.
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32 321 Veteran ·
Hello, I read, like other contributors, 321’s stories. And they’re magnificent. Just a little compassion, some understanding for the country as a whole and its paradoxes.

Edit: This was meant for 321. Not directly for you, sorry!

Hi,

For compassion, don’t worry—let everyone handle it in their own way, from total silence to the most shameless, even sordid, displays on forums.

As for understanding, thankfully, no one has a monopoly on it, no matter the subject.

See you, 321
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CH ChristianC64 Veteran ·
I couldn't care less, and you're showing total ignorance about Buddhism with your incoherent responses... there's nothing wrong with looking foolish in life... but to flaunt it and mock others with such unparalleled misunderstanding is another story.... So for your personal education... and I beg you, dear Sir...

Theravada Buddhism remains what defines love in the most subtle way... it's true that it takes effort to learn, and it's up to you...

As your punishment, you’ll recite the 44 letters of the Thai alphabet for me, and while singing!!! 😛 p-l-e-a-s-e...
...l'important n'est pas la destination mais l'expérience de ce que le voyage nous apporte...
32 321 Veteran ·
I don’t mind, and you’re showing total ignorance about Buddhism

Ugh, and here I thought the topic was the monarchy (and, of course, the military, since the two are inseparable in this case—"thick as thieves," as they say!). And then you talk about inconsistency... 🤪

with your incoherent replies...

Please quote what you didn’t understand—I’ll try to use even simpler words...

there’s nothing wrong with looking foolish in life...

I can confirm that (example).

an unparalleled misunderstanding

Seriously: "misunderstanding," "ignorance," "inconsistency"... What are you waiting for to explain it all to me (without nonsense, please)?

Theravada Buddhism remains what defines love in one of the most subtle ways... it’s true that it takes effort to educate yourself, and it’s up to you...

Speaking of education, start by rereading your own posts—it’s a bit rough... Anyway, moving on, because for me, religions are all the same—none’s better than the other. And especially not this one...
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OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Regarding the rest (your comments about the situation in Laos)

Hmm, I think 321 must consider that my questions don’t deserve a response for the readers. On a personal note, I really enjoy Travel journals by motorcycle, on foot, or hitchhiking that lead to something concrete, not just a link of compassion. And even if I don’t align with his ideas, I have deep respect for the man and his commitment, paired with an extraordinary lifelong friendship. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnets_de_voyage

And following Christian’s relevant quote:

As your punishment, you’ll recite the 44 letters of the Thai alphabet—singing!

"An Eternal Light," a song composed and produced by French pianist and producer Frank Herrgott. Lyrics by Australian singer James Flynn, in collaboration with American singer Keithen Carter, featuring the famous Thai saxophonist Mr. Saxman and Canadian Sylvain Gagnon on double bass. The choir consists of foreign singers and musicians living in Thailand and Luk-Khun (mixed heritage). music.sanook.com/2382365/

youtu.be/Ra2LG-nbBAo
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32 321 Veteran ·
Come on, I think 321 must think my questions don’t deserve an answer

Hi,

Of course they do! But (beyond being off-topic) I objectively can’t give you a reliable answer on this subject. Others will be much better informed.

Later, 321
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OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
I think 321 feels my questions don’t deserve an answer

Hi, Of course they do! But (beyond being off-topic) I honestly can’t give you a reliable answer on this. Others will be much better informed. Cheers, 321

Thanks for your reply.....
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CH ChristianC64 Veteran ·
...The topic of discussion is: The King of Thailand has died;

Period!!!
...l'important n'est pas la destination mais l'expérience de ce que le voyage nous apporte...
32 321 Veteran ·
...The topic of debate is: The King of Thailand has died;

End of story!!!

Is this really a topic for debate, "The King of Thailand has died"??? 🤪

Because honestly, I don’t see how anyone could have opinions or views on such a fact (which is kind of the point of a debate, right?).

Just saying.
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CH Chanthaburi Veteran ·
The King of Thailand has died!

I only have two words and two photos...

Power & Respect
" La Liberté, si elle est illimitée, conduit à son contraire, car si elle n'est pas protégée et restreinte par la Loi, la Liberté conduit nécessairement à la tyrannie du plus fort sur le plus faible " Karl Popper
32 321 Veteran ·


Google: either a very short memory or unabashed opportunism. Take your pick. 🙂 The Thai junta seeks to restrict Facebook and Google (05.29.2014)
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CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Once again, you have nothing to say. So I’ll move on.

I’ll skip the condescension because sometimes—rarely—a person who thinks very highly of themselves actually has good reason to. I’m asking you a simple question: Do you know any Thais?
32 321 Veteran ·
I’ll ask you a simple question: do you hang out with Thais?

Seeing you come in with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, I’ll ask you not one, but three questions in return (my generosity will be my downfall):

- Do you *have* to know Lao people to have the right to challenge the dictatorship ruling that country? - Do you *have* to know Breton farmers to have the right to challenge intensive pig farming in Brittany? - Do you *have* to know people who sodomize flies to have the right to challenge the sodomy of flies?

The floor is yours, counsel for the prosecution.
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CH ChristianC64 Veteran ·
You're not being consistent with the forum topic: The King of Thailand has died... do you understand French?

Feel free to start a thread on any miscellaneous topics that interest you, if you'd like, but here we're discussing the fact that the King of Thailand has passed away... and there's plenty to remember... do you see how your comments don't relate to what's being said? 🤪
...l'important n'est pas la destination mais l'expérience de ce que le voyage nous apporte...
32 321 Veteran ·
Trust this forum’s moderation to remove posts it deems off-topic.
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FR Franklenfant Veteran ·
I'm sorry you don't accept Private Messages; I'm with you wholeheartedly and what you're saying. 🙂
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CH Charli120 Veteran ·
I’ll ask you a very simple question: do you hang out with Thais?

Seeing you come in with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, I’ll ask you not one but three questions in return (my generosity will be my downfall):

- Do you have to know Lao people to have the right to challenge the dictatorship governing that country? - Do you have to know Breton farmers to have the right to challenge intensive pig farming in Brittany? - Do you have to know people who sodomize dipterans to have the right to challenge the sodomy of dipterans?

The floor is yours, counsel for the prosecution.

My question was simple. Thanks for answering it with the same simplicity. Condescension, constant generalizations, prejudices about the person you’re talking to, zero field experience (big theories about infantilized Thais are great, but long evenings chatting with a few of them is also valuable), partial and biased knowledge of complex issues, black-and-white judgments, and to top it off, a supposedly funny "childish" pirouette (oh really?). I won’t learn anything from this, and clearly, I have nothing to teach you either, since you’ve already got it all figured out. End of discussion on my end. PS: For anyone who actually wants to understand this country beyond stereotypes, know that foreigners are welcome, you can travel freely, and people speak freely too. At least when real friendships are formed. Respect, humility, and an open mind.
32 321 Veteran ·
I’m returning the exact same compliments (especially thanks to the total lack of information provided).

Ite missa est (sorry, I don’t have a Buddhist equivalent😉).
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OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
We agree on one thing: No private messages That saves us headaches from analyses by all kinds of "experts" And the rampant spread of rumors

Ite missa est (sorry, I don’t have a Buddhist equivalent)

I don’t have the answer In Marseillais slang: « té, I’m gonna go have a nice cold pastis »
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BA Barefoot Veteran ·
Is it mandatory to know Lao people to have the right to challenge the dictatorship governing that country?

It’s certainly not a requirement, but when talking about a country in mourning, the opinions of locals seem far more relevant than those of armchair activists comfortably sitting on their sofas. A cultural difference, I suppose. I’m more concerned about the fate of the people who have always been kind and welcoming to me, a foreigner, and I can only respect an elderly woman—perhaps infantilized?—paying tribute to a king (*), even if he wasn’t perfect or was criticized by some Western media. Ordinary people make a country too. Should we condemn or mock an entire nation because of its leaders? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngeAXZbyq08

(*) A thank you to Khun Obeo for this video.

I’ll leave you to judge for yourselves when it comes to pig farming and sodomizers of all stripes.

Note that most participants in this thread don’t need PMs to discuss or agree with your points. So, accept Franky’s PMs—he’ll bother us less, though I doubt his cheers come without some snide remarks about certain members.😎

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