Traveler, great traveler, or tourist: what's the difference for you?
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BA Baroudage Regular ·
A tourist can be humble, a traveler can be condescending.

Now, on this kind of topic that I find interesting, here on the forum, I feel like everyone has to defend themselves and justify their choices. I’ve done this, that, respecting customs, the environment, ecology... You might see it as selfishness, but I don’t do humanitarian work simply because it’s not my thing. Some do humanitarian work and then strut around here saying, "At least I helped my neighbor." I applaud that. What charity, bravo! I don’t know, but if I did humanitarian work, I might come here to share info with those who’d be interested. But to puff out your chest like that?! It feels like they’re doing it to look good in front of everyone. Fortunately, it’s far from the majority.

My approach is generally to rent a car (or take any transport, plus walking), often sleep in it, and prioritize rural areas, natural spaces, local festivals, and folkloric customs. I have a rough idea of things to see but nothing more. I let the journey lull me, embrace the unexpected, and especially the encounters. My purchasing power is pretty modest, more by choice than necessity.

Locals have already helped me out of tough spots—I’m the kind of person who gets into trouble and enjoys it, especially afterward! I do everything to respect the places I visit. If we’re not allowed to take photos but everyone does, well, I don’t. I leave tips because it’s customary, and I adjust the amount based on how much I enjoyed the meal—or not. In a country, I don’t feel at home. Just because I paid doesn’t mean I can do whatever I want—that’s not my style. My thing is learning their culture. There’s a dish, I’ll try it, and if I didn’t like it, I’ll pick something else next time. Simple as that.

What category do I fit into? Honestly, I don’t care. Let’s just say I’ve found my groove and I like it that way.
Ils ne savaient pas que c’était impossible, alors ils l’ont fait.
BA Baroudage Regular ·
Tourist: someone who visits monuments, museums, and eats whatever... they're not there for encounters! Traveler: someone who goes off the beaten path and seeks out people, customs...

According to this definition, imagine if tomorrow all tourists turned into travelers—going off the beaten path would probably get tough. Personally, I’m happy to see tourists enjoying mass tourism. It keeps people concentrated in one small area: hotels, beaches, massages, local restaurants—at least they won’t ruin your peace since they won’t be where you are. At least you won’t run into them again on your trip. They’re happy that way, and that’s fine. In some places, they might even have a better time than you, stubbornly avoiding tourist spots. That’s why it’s important to choose a region that fits your style.

In Bulgaria, a country with lots of mountains and many areas empty of human activity, I went to see the massive concrete sprawl on the Black Sea. Thankfully, it’s not the whole coast, but a good chunk of it. In just 1 km, you go from a very traditional—and let’s be honest, poor—village to brand-new hotels, casinos, etc. I passed through just to get that strange feeling. Simple curiosity. The shift from one to the other is so quick because 3 km from the beach, there’s nothing left. Then I got out of those places, which weren’t for me, but I saw what it was like.
Ils ne savaient pas que c’était impossible, alors ils l’ont fait.
GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
For me, the word "traveler" contains "travel," meaning a journey. I never just go *to* somewhere—I take a trip that passes *through* places. The journey starts as soon as I leave my home. Going somewhere without seeing what’s between my place and the destination doesn’t interest me. So, I only travel by car. It’d be even better by bike or on foot, but you’ve got to be young, have the time, and your partner has to be into it, etc...

Here’s a concrete example (at least for the French): if I didn’t know Paris, sure, I’d visit the Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, the Champs-Élysées, Notre-Dame, but also Auteuil-Neuilly-Passy, La Goutte d’Or, La Défense, La Courneuve. And along the way, I’d at least have stopped in Lyon, Beaune, and Vézelay.
BA Baroudage Regular ·
You mean that if one day you have to travel within France just to get from point A to point B for work or other reasons, you wouldn’t just say you took highway number... and there was no one on the road. Instead, you’d mention seeing a region with certain economic activities, particular features, etc.? I agree, and France has a beautiful mix of landscapes. I used to have three different routes to get to my old job, ranging from 17 to 20 minutes. I carpooled with a guy and alternated based on my mood—sometimes more forested, sometimes more agricultural, etc. The guy got so annoyed because I’d occasionally take a route that made us lose 3 minutes that I eventually stopped carpooling with him.

No joke, you’ve got a way to avoid routine, but all he could say was that we were losing 3 minutes and the roads were narrow and bumpy in the car!
Ils ne savaient pas que c’était impossible, alors ils l’ont fait.
GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
exact, except now I’m retired and can go all in; so it takes me 3 days to do what I used to do in one when I was working and my vacation days were limited. And no more highways (at least 90% of the time)
BA Baroudage Regular ·
It's great to be done with highways. I also try to avoid them—they're too monotonous for my taste and really expensive for what you get. And the rare times I do take them, there's no way I'm paying outrageous prices (total tourist traps) at service stations, with their awful food and overpriced mini-marts. I do a few festivals where sometimes I make round trips in one evening, getting home at 7 AM with over 200 km on the clock—then I take the highway.

I was once in Strasbourg and leaving from Metz. I didn’t know the area. On the way there, I took the national road like I usually do, but this time it was just horrible—villages every 2 km, speed limit zones back-to-back, it was a nightmare. The highway was pretty much mandatory unless you were in tourist mode (and even then). And of course, it’s one of the most expensive stretches in France.

It’s true that in mountainous areas, highways are super practical. I’m in the far west of France. Sometimes people take highways to save 30 minutes on a 3-hour trip. Personally, in terms of cost, monotony, and scenery, it’s totally worth losing those 30 minutes. But I guess if you love the mountains near your place, you’d take the national roads too.
Ils ne savaient pas que c’était impossible, alors ils l’ont fait.
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
now that I’m retired, I can really go all in

So is a traveler just a retired tourist, then? 🤪

An endangered species, it seems...😏
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I’m reposting your message here since it fits this topic better than the one where you originally posted it:

Hi Agnès,

No need to be sarcastic. When I go to Japan, like next week, I couldn’t care less about museums, I don’t visit any natural sites, I’m not interested in onsens, and I only pass by temples by chance. That’s just how it is. I love business hotels, izakayas, konbinis, kei cars, markets, vending machines, airports, and walking through the streets looking at signs and passersby. I’m not going to make travel journals out of that. You love natural parks, certified villages, and tourist sites. We’re different, and I don’t really feel like a tourist—honestly, I don’t even care.

Michel

I won’t respond to this, but maybe others want to revive this old debate.
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SI Sinforosa Veteran ·
When I go to Japan, I couldn't care less about museums,

I hardly feel like a tourist,

Hi Tatra,

Do you think art and culture are only for tourists?

In European capitals, apart from the "must-see" museums that all tourists visit, there are plenty of museums frequented (almost) exclusively by locals. At the Diane Airbus Expo at the Gropius Bau in Berlin, I only heard German being spoken. A few years ago, at the Yanomami exhibition at the Fondation Cartier, most visitors were Parisians, just like at the Halle Saint Pierre, etc.

And for those who can't afford to travel to Japan, going to the Musée Guimet in Paris or seeing the exhibition on Japanese festivals currently at the Museu do Oriente in Lisbon will let them experience this culture at little cost.

But it's true that museums can be intimidating these days. More and more, we read travel stories where the authors specify they don’t like museums and never set foot in them. Some even mention they’re teachers—so if even teachers aren’t interested in art and culture...
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NO Normandaluz Veteran ·
Hello everyone!

I admit I don’t quite get the title of the discussion—"traveler" or "tourist"? Uhh... Doesn’t a tourist travel? Do they just stay put?

The title’s not very clear, in my opinion... But let’s assume the question is "the traveler who does tourism" vs. "the traveler who doesn’t."

The traveler who does tourism -> they travel for pleasure, to see, feel, and experience things that don’t exist back home.

The traveler who just travels without seeking to see or experience anything, uhh... Either they’re an expat, a pilgrim, or... I dunno. They travel for the sake of traveling. They must love trains and airports.

Anyway, I still kinda feel like the "traveler" (in quotes) is just a tourist trying to sound fancy... 😏

As for me, I like "vacationer" or "wanderer"
FA FamilleUS Veteran ·
It's a bit like the "good" and "bad" hunter.

The "traveler" is often how we see ourselves. And "tourists" are how we see others.
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