Are we "bores" with our travel stories?
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Translated into English.

AT Atchija ·
Hi Keussef, I think I’ve "worn out" my friends and family just like you have with my travel stories. Whenever I discovered a new country I loved, I wanted to describe it, tell its story, and bring it to life through my words, photos, and videos. For about 10 minutes, it was fine, and then I’d hear: "Oh yeah, same for me—when I was in Mexico..." and someone else would chime in, "That country reminds me of Vietnam where I went last winter..." I quickly stopped talking about my travels. Now, I’ve been living in a Southeast Asian country for 22 years, and when I read tourists’ blogs about this place, I’m stunned because it’s nothing like my daily life here. Probably because the magic of travel and discovery has faded. After 15 days in a country—even staying with locals—tourists think they know it. Apart from the scenery, they’re often way off the mark. Oh well! These days, when I visit a new country, I read books and travel guides (always helpful), but never blogs. I’ve really had it with blogs and travel stories.
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
I just ordered it... 😉

In the end, I don’t talk about it much directly—I share my blogs, post photos on FB when I travel, and then... if someone wants to talk travel, sure, otherwise... I keep it short (more from experience than choice). But I *do* love sharing...
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JE Jeanluc38 Veteran ·
Hi,

This book is funny, and we all need a laugh—especially about ourselves, even more so in these times. But if we feel like writing, why not a blog?

"A travel blog is like a slideshow evening that lasts six months."😎
Jean-Luc
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
I’ve been living in a Southeast Asian country for 22 years now, and when I read tourists’ blogs about this place, I’m stunned—it’s nothing like my daily life.

Okay, but that’s debatable. After all, everyone has their own perception of things—that’s the very nature of subjectivity. If the opposite of subjectivity is objectivity, then every form of perception or thought would be nearly identical from one person to another, and we’d end up with a civilization of cloned individuals. That’s what North American and mainstream culture want to impose on us. It makes sense—if everyone does the same thing (like traveling via Airbnb, among other things), it becomes industrial tourism.

Apart from the scenery, they’re often way off the mark. But hey! Nowadays, when I visit a new country, I read books and travel guides—always helpful—but never blogs. I’m really fed up with blogs and travel stories.

I don’t agree—everyone has the right to their own perception, even if tourists seem "off the mark." That’s just a form of snobbery.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
"A travel blog is like a slide-show evening that lasts six months."😎

hmmm, it seems the purpose of this work wasn’t understood... 🙂 The point here is to discuss travel in general—with a touch of sarcasm and irony. Not to say whether slide-show evenings are good or bad... Moral judgment is about declaring things right or wrong—that’s black-and-white thinking... And using irony to talk about travel is a multifaceted way to question our lifestyles and society.
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
Okay, but that’s debatable—after all, everyone has their own perception of things. That’s the very nature of subjectivity.

A tough choice between an uncle Georges’ slideshow evening or a philosophy night at uncle Aristote Jr.’s. 😇
JE Jeanluc38 Veteran ·
Hello,

"A travel blog is like a slide-show evening that lasts six months" is a quote from the book that had me laughing, just like the rest of it. I think I got the point of the book.😎

If your comment wasn’t aimed at me, my apologies; but if it was, I don’t feel concerned by "whether the slide-show evening is good or bad, moral judgments, black-and-white thinking"...

And to lighten the mood on the Forum (where I’ve been coming less and less, except when it rains😎), here’s one last quote from the book’s epigraph:

"Those who’ve traveled the world can make their conversation last a quarter of an hour longer."😎 Jules Renard.
Jean-Luc
MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
"Those who’ve traveled the world can stretch their conversation an extra fifteen minutes."😎 Jules Renard

Jules Renard, 1864–1910... Long before the ready-made RTW trips
KE Keussef Regular ·
You admit it yourself. You want to talk about your travels, but you don’t want to listen to other people’s.

Personally, ever since I started traveling, I can’t stand people who bring every conversation back to their own trips. The worst part is, I might be doing the same thing—since I haven’t lived in France for a while, my daily life and everything I’ve experienced lately has all happened abroad.
"Mais il n'y a plus pauvreté si il y a contentement. Ce n'est pas parce que l'on possède peu que l'on est pauvre, c'est parce que l'on désire plus." Sénèque

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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Well, got it and read it. It reads quickly, in one go, and it's really fun. I loved it. A gift not to give to someone who takes themselves too seriously.

Still, from my point of view, there's a big difference between telling (or imposing your photos, etc.) to a group, family, or captive friends (like at the end of an evening) and writing a blog, posting a travel journal, or making a Facebook album: people can choose to look or not. Nothing is forced on anyone (unless you're being impossibly pushy , but then, if you want to annoy the world, nothing's impossible).

😉
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JE Jemaflor Veteran ·
Totally agree with you about the difference between "imposed" stories (from family, friends, etc.) and those published online where everyone has the freedom to read... or skip right away!

The book that inspired this topic is not only well-regarded but also turns out to be short—any longer, and it would’ve definitely been a snooze!
Jean http://perso.wanadoo.fr/groenland-disko/yukon-dempster/
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
A humor book, that’s fine 😉

But I’ll admit that among all the travel books I’ve read, some have given me wings and inspired me, while others really bored me... just like the constant media presence of their authors.

That’s just how travel goes 🙂
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HA Halo Veteran ·
"The travel blog is the slide-show evening that lasts six months."😎

Unforgettable—that’s probably my favorite quote from the whole book! 😄 That, and the idea of making up quotes and attributing them to Goethe...
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
The art of boring the reader with a lazy little sum. And then, Debureaux, with such a surname, are you even qualified to talk about travel? Are you really in a position to address travelers in the imperative a hundred and fifty times? To pile up worn-out clichés haphazardly? Does quoting Barbey protect you from being boring yourself?

The funniest sentence—though I suspect it’s a typo, it’s so light as a feather compared to the rest, which is written with a bazooka—is on page forty-six. It’s the one sentence that might hint at a shred of self-deprecation from this traveler: Declare the contents of your backpack. A peacock flute, a dagger, a hammock, a bear spray, and a few pairs of underwear... And bam!

Alright, Jean, I’m off to read your Mauritian travel journal to see how many pitfalls you’ve fallen into. 😉
JE Jemaflor Veteran ·
Your post is really funny and well-written, bravo! That typo with the original "peacock" flute was hilarious—I didn’t even notice it when I read it!

About my latest (and previous) travel journal, of course, you can spot a few of the most common pitfalls of travel writing... some of the ones mentioned in Debureaux’s book.

Cheers, Jean http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-maurice-lagon-autre-par-routes-sud-d7307776/
Jean http://perso.wanadoo.fr/groenland-disko/yukon-dempster/
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hello, I’m adding my two cents to the discussion. This thread—and this book—that I’ve just discovered make me wonder if I, too, have fallen into the trap. Personally, I write my travel journals first and foremost for a handful of loved ones back home, either because I know they’d love to share in my experiences but can’t, or to ease their worries: - Aren’t you afraid to travel alone? - At your age, do you really think it’s wise to go to such remote places? - And with your illness? What if you lose your meds or they get stolen? You’d be as good as dead. You forget that without them, you should’ve been gone long ago... I reply that without my meds, I *would* die—but not overnight, so I’d have time to catch a flight before taking that final trip. About my age, I tell them about Alexandra David-Néel and all the travelers I meet on the road who are much older than me and give me a real life lesson. My career choices have fulfilled me but also kept me tied down, never allowing me to take the long trips I see others boasting about in their impressive resumes. A week here, two weeks there—they’ve visited the whole planet, but what do they *really* know about the collection of countries they claim to have done? As for traveling solo, it’s sometimes frustrating not having someone to share the adventures—or misadventures—with. Otherwise, day to day, I say I’ve had a few bad experiences with travel companions that ruined my happy solo days. Maybe traveling with someone is harder than going alone? But I’m getting off track... So, I’ve never published anywhere. However, at the request of a few people here on VF, I decided to give it a shot. https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=7727390&idl=3028470&idl2=7067620&idl3=7811510999&#7727390 With such a delay that, in the end, I’m recounting a trip from three years ago. Why that one? It just happened that way. I didn’t want to start with the most recent. As for the oldest, it’d be interesting—more for me than for my readers—to revisit it and see how India, and especially *myself*, have changed. And if I’ve been called out multiple times for my words or my style, it’s because they don’t leave people indifferent. The advantage of publishing here on VF is that those who aren’t interested can just move on or simply stop reading me.
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ZZ Zzrugby Regular ·
Traveled the world? Traveled your own monotony! There’s also: Travel? The pretense of existing. And again: Travel? The dizziness of fools. (That last one’s from Céline). Pretty accurate, right?
Amor Fati: Ne rien vouloir d'autre que ce qui est. F. Nietzsche. Philippe.
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
Traveled the world? Traveled your own monotony!. There’s also: Travel? The pretense of existing. And again: Travel? The dizziness of fools. (this last one is from Céline). Pretty accurate, right?

Especially really pretentious.

What if we kept it simpler?
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DE Dennis Globetrotter ·
Traveled the world? Traveled your own monotony! There’s also: Travel? The pretense of existing. And: Travel? The dizziness of fools. (That last one’s from Céline). Pretty accurate, right?

...let’s just say it works less well with spelling mistakes...
MO Moushika Globetrotter ·
Traveled the world? Traveled your own monotony!. There’s also: Travel? The pretense of existing. And then: Travel? The vertigo of fools. (this last one is from Céline). Pretty accurate, right?

Maybe for some gloomy minds, incapable of seeing anything else. 🤪
"La vie est un voyage qui se vit au présent ou jamais ...."
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
I’m digging this discussion out of the archives since it’s still so relevant. 🙂
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
The present, like travel, is just an isolated act in a play... Without the journeys that came before or the surprises yet to come, it’s completely devoid of story... But that’s another topic 😉...

Well said. That’s what we call a simulacrum—a kind of hyperreality. But yeah, that’s a whole other topic 🙂
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
I'm digging this discussion out of the archives since it's still so relevant.🙂

In the spirit of "still relevant," a mutual friend reminded me of this one:

https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5897545;a=5897545
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Alan sure could write well. 😉
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
There's this one too. Censored because a travel journal was being torn apart there.
BL Blogob Regular ·
Hello, I’ll add my two cents... it seems pretty clear online—especially with blogs or even travel journals on forums—that the posts that "tell their trip" (or should I say "tell their life") tend to get the most attention. Some well-made info-sharing sites do well too, since they’re genuinely useful. But the ones that keep coming back to the forefront are those where the author puts themselves front and center, sharing their own story. They’re not just showing a photo or video of a landscape—they’re showing *themselves* in that landscape, and that makes all the difference.

Whether you like it or not, there’s clearly a deep need for recognition in these authors, and for some, barely concealed narcissism. Just look at those who turn it into a career: the focus isn’t really travel anymore—it’s all about them. The number of glowing comments some stories get shows that, yes, a lot of people love living vicariously, reading these accounts and showering praise on strangers.

Talking about yourself, putting yourself out there, and sharing travel stories in the first person works *really* well. Posting about your trips is like putting photos of yourself online (Instagram, Facebook, etc.). No one’s asking you to do it, but the success it brings means nothing’s stopping you—and you’re even encouraged to keep going!

We shouldn’t criticize those who live vicariously or don’t experience things firsthand. And we shouldn’t judge those who constantly share their lives, since it clearly works and people can’t get enough.

But instead of calling them boring, maybe we should ask: Do those who constantly talk about their lives—who feel the need to do it on forums or elsewhere—just have oversized egos? Are they narcissistic and self-centered? Does it reveal something pretty unhealthy, something very much in line with our "me, me, me" era and the selfie obsession? Boring? Maybe. Narcissistic and pretentious? Almost certainly.

Personally, I find it pretty logical not to read stories from someone I don’t know at all. And I find it kind of strange when someone feels the need to share their life, their vision, their adventures—basically making their private travel journal public.

But as someone else said, on a forum, you can just skip what doesn’t interest you. Of course, this is just my opinion.
DE Dennis Globetrotter ·
......true ...it's also a question of age and social media presence: you inevitably post when you go (for example) to NYC.....
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
there is undoubtedly a deep need for recognition among these authors, a barely concealed narcissism for some.

I totally agree—narcissism is something I brought up on this forum a while back. When people become too narcissistic (which is what marketing and self-help culture push for), the risk is falling through the other side of the mirror—since, metaphorically, narcissism is all about staring at your own reflection. Long story short, if you fall through the other side, you might just lose it. 😎

Just look at those who manage to turn it into a career—the focus isn’t really on travel anymore; everything ends up revolving around their own little world.

I completely agree.

Just look at how many glowing comments some travel stories rack up,

Totally agree, and constantly dishing out praise is right in line with that overly positive, typically North American mindset—but that’s a whole other topic. Critical thinking is disappearing…
RH Rhume Veteran ·
and talking about yourself, putting yourself forward, sharing your travels in the first person works really well... Coming to tell your travel stories is like posting photos of yourself online (Instagram, Facebook, etc.). Nobody asks us to do it, but given the success it meets, nothing stops us from doing it—we’re even encouraged, and we get caught up in the game!

Hello, If it’s meeting with some success, then it must be bringing something to readers. Talking about yourself and achieving success that way... that’s the dream!

Personally, I find it pretty logical not to read the stories of someone I don’t know at all... and I find it quite strange that someone feels the need to talk about themselves and flaunt their vision, their life, their adventures. Basically, to make their private journal public...

If everyone saw things like you do, there wouldn’t be many writers 😉

As for me, when it comes to online travel journals (which, for the most part, don’t claim to be literature), I don’t mind at all if they’re very personal, narcissistic, etc... as long as the author has a personality that brings something to me, of course. Obviously, reading the private life of someone I find tacky (each to their own definition) doesn’t interest me at all.

To wrap up, I’d say that reading someone’s private life online isn’t any more or less interesting than reading a stranger’s opinion on this or that subject... Sharing your opinion publicly in front of a crowd of strangers seems just as narcissistic to me.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
If everyone saw things like you, there wouldn’t be many writers 😉

hmm, isn’t there a bit of a contradiction here? In my opinion, the era of "writers" is over—what matters now is the number of books sold in bookstores or big-box stores.

Obviously, reading about the private life of someone I find tacky (everyone has their own definition) doesn’t interest me at all

As a suggestion, there are ways to make a text more engaging, like using literary devices. But we shouldn’t overlook the substance either
BL Blogob Regular ·
Of course, I completely understand that strangers' personal travel journals can be interesting, and I’ve actually noticed that people enjoy them, so it’s great that they bring something to those who love them...

I’m especially thinking about the blogs that pop up every day, where you can immediately tell the real goal is recognition (creating multiple social media accounts, plastering portrait photos, selfie videos, etc.). And very often, at the start of these sites, you can read things like, "I created this blog to inspire people to travel" or "I created this blog to keep my loved ones informed," etc.—things that, on the surface, have nothing to do with spending all day on social media, working on SEO, or doing everything possible to get famous and rack up as many views as possible... In short, there’s a huge inconsistency in these people, a certain intellectual dishonesty, and a bit of hypocrisy in claiming they’re not following a trend when it’s clearly what the times demand...

As for personal journals published on forums, it’s a bit the same thing. If you ask them why they come to share their lives like this, they’ll often say it’s to "share." But is there really any sharing in oversharing?

And finally, debating a topic and telling your life story—unless I’m mistaken—aren’t the same thing. Sure, giving your opinion means believing, somewhere, that it has value or that you’re right, I’ll give you that... It’s hard for humans to escape their own little condition. And it’s true that we rarely change our minds. But debating a topic isn’t the same as making yourself the subject of the story. That’s the whole difference.

About writers, you’re mistaken (if I may say so) because most writers tell a story. Autobiographies are less common, often written by others, and usually about people who’ve made an impact... with a few exceptions, of course. An unknown person who writes a book saying "me, me, me" and just tells their life story—if they’re nobody, they generally don’t sell books. They end up on a forum, as you’ve noticed yourself.
MA Mariecurry Globetrotter ·
If it’s meeting with some success, then it must be bringing something to readers. Talking about yourself and finding success that way... that’s the dream!

Aren’t blogs and travel journals just replacing paper guides? A really detailed travel journal is a ready-made itinerary for a future traveler. Some people don’t like planning their trips, others don’t have the time. As for going with an agency, to get good prices, you have to travel in a group. When I used to go to China regularly, I lost count of the DMs I got asking me to suggest a route from one city to another for a given timeframe. "I don’t have time to deal with it," I was told every time. As if *I* had the time to cook up other people’s trips... A recent, well-detailed travel journal or a regularly updated blog is a godsend for those who can’t be bothered to put in the effort.
RH Rhume Veteran ·
I’m especially thinking of the blogs that pop up every day, where you can immediately tell the real goal is recognition (creating multiple social media accounts, plastering portrait photos, selfie videos, etc.). Very often, at the start of these sites, you can read things like "I created this blog to inspire people to travel" or "I created this blog to keep my loved ones informed," etc.—things that, on the surface, have nothing to do with spending all day on social media, working on SEO, or doing everything possible to become famous and get as many views as possible.

Yes. I’ve noticed this especially on YouTube, where some people have this outdated ambition to become stars by creating a channel, even though they have nothing interesting or original to show.

In short, there’s a huge inconsistency in these people, a certain intellectual dishonesty, and a bit of hypocrisy in claiming they’re not following a trend when it’s clearly what the times demand.

Without judging so negatively (I read too few travel journals to do that), it’s clear there’s a trend around the "travel journal." Living in Auvergne, I discovered this through the Clermont Travel Journal Fair. I noticed that keeping a travel journal is often an activity in itself, sometimes a bit disconnected from the actual trip. For example, the illustrations are often done by an artist who isn’t the writer, based on photos and without having been there. I think writing a travel journal and traveling are two things that can be quite different. Some people here have even presented themselves as more legitimate to participate in the forum because they publish travel journals. But seeing the world through the eyes of a travel journal keeper isn’t necessarily more interesting, in my humble opinion (just like only seeing it through a camera viewfinder is a particular approach and not necessarily very enriching).
RH Rhume Veteran ·
True, Mariecurry, online you can easily skip around and pick what interests you from personal sites here and there. And happily stop at a blog that’s really worth it—whether for the gorgeous photos, an original take, or a real artistic investment 🙂

(By the way, I encourage everyone to check out your site and the amazing photos there!)
MA Mariecurry Globetrotter ·
Oh, but that wasn’t the point. Especially since these photos are old.

In blogs and travel journals, there’s everything: the best and the worst. It’s up to each person to sort through them. On VF (since we’re here), there are some excellent travel journals. I’ve said it before—I’m in awe of the work put into them because I know it’s anything but easy to write one. Some have a way with words, others have a great eye, and the luckiest have both. And then, let’s be honest, there are the others. Whose work might be more debatable. That doesn’t mean we can blame them, though. Posting a travel journal might be narcissistic, but it’s also brave. You’re putting yourself out there, after all. The same goes for blogs.

Creating a blog, sharing your travels online—it’s the trend these days. The internet gives you a platform, so why not use it? When I read VF, I often feel like I’m on a "site for old-timers." A little closed off to innovation, to technology. And especially to the idealism and energy of youth.
BL Blogob Regular ·
Personally, I agree with you, and you’ll probably agree that among the flood of what we call travel blogs, there are several different styles: those that lean more toward practical guides (more useful in my opinion), those that are more of a marketing tool (like lists of countries and things to see there, even if the author’s never set foot in them, the top 10 cities to visit here, the top 10 activities to do there, etc.)—here, the author’s just trying to make money off their site. those that end up just recounting their trip like they would to their family, without giving any practical info that’s useful to others. those that mix a bit of everything, those that focus on photos, those that focus on videos... in short, there’s something for every taste.

Lumping an amateur practical guide together with a personal travel journal is, in my opinion, a mistake that a lot of bloggers make when they put together lists of blogs to follow.

The people who create travel journals here are more like the "selfie blogs" where the author just talks about their life... That’s the kind I was referring to when I mentioned narcissism or oversized egos. The ones who actually help others are different.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
As a "blogger" (I prefer the term "travel site writer") and having a few travel journals under my belt here, I thought I’d join the conversation.

First off, when you love talking about travel, the internet is great because at least you’re not bothering anyone—only those who want to read do, and on a travel forum, writing a travel journal seems appropriate, especially when there’s a "travel journals" section 😛

After that, a journal will either resonate or not. I think most people who write them here do so in an authentic and spontaneous way—you either connect with it or you don’t.

I enjoy sharing my travels, though not all of them (for example, I’ve never written about my trip to Florence because I found it dreadfully ordinary). I try to share my impressions, practical tips, photos... I think a travel journal lets you travel vicariously, research a destination, or even relive a past trip when you know the place. Plus, you can read a journal out of curiosity and discover places you wouldn’t have considered before!

As for blogs, I’m not sure the most narcissistic ones are the most successful. Maybe on social media or for "round-the-world travelers," but for Europe? Nah, people mostly look for practical info.

I created *le mieux* to share info, tips, photos (which are what they are), and describe the places and monuments/museums I’ve visited.

I don’t talk about my life—I might show up in photos sometimes, but that’s different. I’m a quiet person, so it’s a change 😇

Want to be read? SEO performance? Well, I won’t lie—if I take the time to write detailed articles, it’s not just for me. So yeah, I’d rather be read (but not necessarily *seen*). That said, I don’t make a living from it, so it’s clearly not the reason.

Just to be clear, blogs that are all "look at me in front of every monument" annoy me to no end, and I rarely read them.

I had a good laugh at Mariecurry’s comment about "the old folks’ forum" 😛 Sometimes I feel like I’m among the youngest (I mean active members, not the ones who ask a question and disappear), but honestly, I get along better with older people. At least that was the case for a long time—now that my peers are getting older and maturing, it’s better.

But when I see what’s trendy with "young people"—smartphones, LOLcats, excessive self-promotion, and all that—I don’t mind chatting with older folks 😮
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MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
Another chance to congratulate you on the quality of your work and the care you put into it... 😇

More generally, what do we care if a blog is narcissistic, monetized, or full of mistakes, as long as we’re not forced to read it? By learning to separate the wheat from the chaff, we’ll always find blogs that are interesting, well-written, and either informative or enjoyable.

Personally, I don’t mind if they sell Levy, Musso, or Bussi in train stations—as long as no one forces me to crack open their books...
MA Mariecurry Globetrotter ·
I had a little chuckle at Mariecurry’s thought about "the forum for oldies" 😛 Sometimes I feel like I’m among the youngest (I mean the active members, not those who come to ask a question and never return)

It’s not about age, but mindset. I’m surprised to read how easily people forget they were also 20 or 30 once. Is an intergenerational discussion on VF really impossible? It’s clear they all turn sour so quickly. It’s sad.

Anyway, I’ll close this parenthesis. Have a good (and rainy) day, everyone.
BL Blogob Regular ·
hi there! I checked out your site, *la petite souris*. It’s one of the few travel-oriented sites (like mine) designed, of course, for personal use (keeping memories) but with real value since it’s geared toward others—sharing practical info. I also agree that if you don’t like pulp fiction, no one’s forcing you to read it... Basically, we’re all saying the same thing. The difference, obviously, is that if you write travel journals in a forum yourself, it’s natural to justify it by saying it’s useful—and as we all say, whether people agree or not, there are plenty of readers for this stuff. So yes, it’s clear it has its place. Maybe I’m too critical of those who read them and travel vicariously.

At the end of the day, it’s kind of the same thing: those who just want to escape will read your travel journals, while those who want to go somewhere will check out your "practical guide" site. Personally, I just allow myself to be harsher toward people who only talk about their own lives—because on TV, in real life, or online, it drives me nuts... And I’m also talking about inconsistency: people who love reading about others’ lives without knowing them often can’t stand meeting someone full of themselves who only talks about *themselves*. So to the question, "Are we boring with our travel stories?"—if you translate that to "Am I boring you by talking about my life?"... the answer is yes!! If you’re not sharing anything beyond "me, me, me," then yes, it’s boring...
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
When I read VF, I often feel like I'm on a "site for old people."

Well, it makes sense since "older" people generally have more means and, for the long-time members, more time—two pretty essential things for traveling...

VF also probably isn’t representative of wealth distribution. The upper-middle class and the top income brackets are way more present than other groups.

And most of all, like in "real life," we end up grouping together based on our interests, political views, and especially our ways of traveling.

A little closed off... to the idealism and energy of youth

I think it mostly makes us laugh because, as you wrote later, we’ve all been idealistic and carefree ourselves.

That classic: "Was I really like that too? ????"

A little closed off... to technology.

Here, I don’t really follow you.
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
because on TV, in real life, and on the internet, it drives me nuts..

You can just skip it.

If you read, watch, or listen, it’s because you’re interested. Even if that interest might just be masochism.

but with real usefulness since it’s aimed at others, sharing practical info

Practical info is like an IKEA furniture manual.

Essential or not depending on your lifestyle (some travel freely, just like some skip the manuals).

Besides, we don’t all travel the same way. Every piece of practical info has its audience but isn’t universal.

Except for things like opening hours, administrative formalities, etc. But you can find that stuff anywhere.

Personally, I find practical travel journals tedious. I might pick out a detail using search engines, but I won’t read the whole thing.

Personal travel journals are more interesting to me—when they’re well-told and on a topic that grabs me. They can be very self-centered. That’s not an issue as long as it’s not boring to read.
BL Blogob Regular ·
Yes Attila, as I mentioned just before -"if we write our own travel journals in a forum, it’s natural to justify it by saying it has its uses," But when you're actually planning a trip and its itineraries, the practical info is what saves you time on the ground and helps you avoid potential scams. A review of a destination—what we felt here or there—is subjective and really only concerns the person who wrote it. And once you're there, everyone’s free to think what they want and imagine the itinerary they prefer. That’s why, between the two, practical info seems more useful to me... It might be less "interesting," but it’s more useful. Still, enjoying reading them—I’ll give you that—everyone does what they want at that level. As for the original question of whether it’s boring, I think yes, you think no, but ultimately, it’s less useful than a ton of practical info that, unfortunately—and contrary to what you say—you can’t find just anywhere. And yes, you’re right, a "personal" travel journal is very often self-centered. Everyone’s free to appreciate (or not) people who are focused on themselves...😛
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
A bit hermetic..., with technology.

I don’t quite follow you there.

I agree with you—maybe sometimes we’re a bit out of touch, but not hermetic.
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
, practical info is what helps save time on the spot and avoid potential scams.

Except that what’s useful for X won’t be for me.

And vice versa...

What’s a long-distance hiker’s or cyclist’s feedback going to bring me? What’s a budget traveler’s feedback—whether by necessity or lifestyle—going to bring me? What’s a packed-with-activities review going to bring me if it ends with the address of a McDonald’s?

There’s more than one way to travel, more than one type of traveler.

I often criticize practical reviews for being limiting.

it’s what helps save time on the spot and avoid potential scams... A ton of practical info... you can’t find everywhere

So it’s mostly important for those who plan every detail, who don’t like the unexpected.

Concretely, a review about a destination, what we felt here or there, is subjective and really only concerns its author.

A novel, an essay, an autobiography too, then... Should we burn them all to keep only dictionaries, cookbooks, or DIY manuals?

You’re confusing the pleasure of reading with the search for information.

Some people only need one, others need the other or both.

They’re different perspectives. A travel journal can inspire you to take a trip, while a practical review can reassure you about making it happen.

In both cases, you connect more easily when the author travels like you do.
BL Blogob Regular ·
Yes, yes, Atilla, that's what we all say here—everyone does what they want... but clearly, you don’t get it. It’s not about traveling down to the millimeter; it’s about knowing a little more about the place you’re visiting. Practical information isn’t "restrictive"; it’s just information. I’m not saying you have to burn everything either—I wrote "everyone does what they want at that level"... and no, I’m not confusing the pleasure of reading with the search for information. I’m saying that sharing information is more useful, and recounting your life or your trip is more subjective.

We should avoid caricaturing what others say or over-intellectualizing things when we’re talking about simple stuff. And we should understand what people are actually saying. All we need to do is answer the original question: are travel journals boring or not? I say no, you say yes... That’s it, as far as I’m concerned, I’ll stop here because this could go on forever like this.... Thanks
BL Blogob Regular ·
No, sorry, I meant the opposite—I said yes, it’s boring, but you’re saying no, it’s interesting...
MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
It’s just about answering the initial question: are travel journals boring or not? I said no, you said yes..

Quite the opposite, actually.

Anyway, it really depends on who’s writing it. Some people can post all the photos or list all their favorite spots they want, but it’ll never have the appeal of a well-written piece.
DO Dolma Globetrotter ·
Personally, I don’t mind if they sell Levy, Musso, or Bussi in train stations, as long as no one forces me to open their books...

(You picked those well )

Well, it’s the same with travel journals: we can publish them all on VF, as long as I’m not forced to open some of them, all’s good 🙂!

Dolma
un chemin et la caresse du vent, alors je pars en voyage...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Thanks to you and Masterpo!

I really enjoy reading travel journals, and I also sometimes look for practical info—there’s something for every taste!

What’s great about the internet is that everyone can pick what they prefer. No one’s forced to read anything, and it’s a space of freedom where we can still express ourselves without too many constraints.

As for the average age on VF, I’d say it’s mostly that "young people" don’t use forums (or fora) anymore—they prefer social media. They also favor smartphones, which aren’t as suited to long discussions like the ones here.

Young people travel too. Maybe just differently...
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