Are we "bores" with our travel stories?
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Translated into English.

MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
And on top of that, with crappy photos taken on the fly with our phones. Everything’s there: the blur, the bad centering, the framing from hell, no focus, cut-off feet, etc.

You forgot the 45-degree horizons...

It’s true that you might wonder how anyone could find a photo beautiful when it’s just plain monstrous. And yet... Beauty isn’t a universal concept.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I think some of us are what you’d call "easy to please," while others have what you’d call "particular tastes." It’s less agreeable but just as close to the truth.
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MI Mick013 Veteran ·
A concrete example: a travel journal about India where someone tells the story of the Taj Mahal, posts photos—no interest to me. I’ll just go on Google, type "Taj Mahal," and I’ll know and see way more. But the story with a photo of the meal eaten at a restaurant after visiting the Taj Mahal? That’s what interests me, as someone who’s a huge fan of Indian cuisine. I won’t find that on Google.

In that case, I find it way more interesting than all the stories that are just copy-pasted from travel guides.

Often with texts that are poorer in vocabulary and expressions. And on top of that, terrible photos taken in a rush with a phone. Everything’s there: the blur, the bad framing, the awful composition, no focus, cut-off feet, etc.

The craziest part is the number of people who gush and congratulate the author for their "beautiful" photos. Hard to tell if it’s their eyes or their brains that are damaged—or both.

For me, it’s a mystery: those who praise both the participants with great photos *and* those who dare to post a collection of images you wouldn’t even want in your attic. Yet they’re not running for office or anything. Oh well, some questions will just remain unanswered!
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
You know I go to Thailand regularly—over there, the food is just so good that I’ve often already started or finished my dish by the time I think to film or photograph it. So I don’t feel too guilty about having fewer mouthwatering food pics in my travel journals.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
The craziest part is the number of people who gush and congratulate the author for their beautiful photos.

Hmm, isn’t there a little jealousy in there? 😉

Otherwise, I’d love for MasterPo to explain how you can take photos at 45 degrees?
MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
Otherwise, I’d love for MasterPo to explain how we can get photos at a 45-degree angle?

Well, 45-degree horizons are a bit over the top—it’s just to make an impression (and it works), but horizons that aren’t perfectly level are everywhere...
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
The craziest part is the number of people who gush and congratulate the author for their beautiful photos.

Hmm, isn’t there a little jealousy in there? 😉

Otherwise, I’d love for MasterPo to explain how you can take photos at a 45-degree angle?

Honestly, that’s not likely. Especially when you know you’ve created something good. Plus, we neither gain nor lose anything financially in this situation.

A dose of perplexity and a sense of rebellion against the irrationality of it all, sure. Especially since, given some of the images, the compliments become downright ridiculous.

For the second question, MasterPo knows the student needs solid examples to really grasp the explanation, given their level. 😛
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
For the second question, Masterpo knows that the student, given their level, needs compelling examples to truly grasp the explanation. 😛

Who is the master and who is the student in this matter?

Why always want to denigrate and belittle people? Then, social fragmentation and hierarchical relationships have nothing to do with the spirit of travel... everyone wants to travel and share their impressions (besides, what I’m writing is definitely related to the main topic).

What interests me is the subjective view of travel, even if it’s awkward, not things that try to conform to a social norm at all costs. And besides, in that awkwardness, in the clumsiness of things, there’s often authenticity, beauty, and spontaneity...
MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
Jojoone1 isn’t criticizing clumsiness, just condemning the praise of clumsiness.

Same here.

I don’t mind people posting awkward texts or crappy photos. Sometimes you can get something great out of them. But coming to gush over mediocre photos or texts—that’s harder for me to swallow.

As an aside, *affaire* is a feminine noun.
DE Derviche666 Veteran ·
Hello,

Bravo! What a magnificent response—so profound, rich, and humane, with even a touch of humor. It’s also written with undeniable elegance and mastery of the French language, while demonstrating a confident grasp of foreign languages. All this while maintaining just the right conciseness. 🙂
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LI LillieoneFE Veteran ·
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TI TinkerNell Regular ·
a concrete example: a travel journal about India, telling the story of the Taj Mahal, showing photos; no interest to me, I’ll just go on Google, type Taj Mahal, and I’ll know and see way more. But the story with a photo of the meal eaten at the restaurant after visiting the Taj Mahal—that, as someone who loves Indian cuisine, interests me. I won’t find that on Google.

in that case, I find it way more interesting than all the travel journals that are just copy-pasted from guidebooks

Often with texts that are poorer in vocabulary and expressions. And on top of that, terrible photos taken in a rush with a phone. Everything’s there: the blur, the bad framing, the off-center shots, no focus, cut-off feet, etc.

The craziest part is the number of people who gush and congratulate the author for their "beautiful" photos. Hard to tell if it’s their eyes or their brains that are damaged—or both.

For me, it’s a mystery: those who praise both the participants who share great photos *and* those who dare to post a mess of images you wouldn’t even want in your attic. Yet they’re not running for office or anything. Oh well, some questions will just remain unanswered!

I totally agree with you! What I love reading in travel journals are personal anecdotes. For history or geography lessons, I’ve got Google and *Le Routard*!
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TI TinkerNell Regular ·
And you’ll forgive my profile pic with a 45° horizon 😄
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MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
And you’ll forgive my profile pic with a 45° horizon 😄

Gladly, since it’s not a photo but a selfie. Plus, with a bit (if I may say so) of editing, you can get this:

TI TinkerNell Regular ·
I deliberately didn’t retouch it because, well, it’s a selfie, and we’re always more forgiving with selfies. Plus, when you straighten the horizon, the framing is just awful—cut right under my head. Otherwise, I’m *very* careful about wonky horizons! 😄
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Uhhh, it's the guy taking the photo and you're the one in it.

So not a selfie...

The issue with this photo, retouched or not, isn't the chin. It's the cropped background.

Normally, a selfie is to say "I was here."

But here, well, we have no idea where "here" is.

It could be any beach, anywhere...
TI TinkerNell Regular ·
Oh, don't stress about it like that! On the one I posted for my travel journal, you can clearly see which beach it was. It's just an avatar photo, to put a face to a username.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
The issue with this photo, edited or not, isn’t the chin. It’s the cropped background.

A cropped background is pretty much unavoidable with a 45° angle shot... Otherwise, you’d have to photograph with a short focal length in "fisheye" mode. The downside of "fisheye" is that it gives the photo a spherical look 🙂
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I’m reviving this discussion, which still seems relevant given the various comments on some travel journal topics and others.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
New feature for VF travel journals:

- Limit of 300 photos (economic reason)

-- /--

The travel journal will be displayed in the thread of categories with the first photo uploaded.

I think it’s important to choose this first photo carefully. It’s what will make VF members want to click—or not—along with the introductory sentence.

Besides, it seems to me this applies to all opened topics.
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Agnes,

New feature for VF travel journals: }[...]

Display of the journal in the thread of categories with the first photo saved.

I think it’s important to choose this first photo carefully. It’s what will make VF members want to click—or not—along with the introductory sentence.

Nope. In neither of my 2 travel journals is the hook photo the first one I posted.

Catherine
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
The first photo posted is the featured photo unless the VF team replaces it with another one. (Well, I think it’s the VF team and not a random choice.)

Not sure if all discussions and travel journals are read by the moderation team. So, to make sure the featured photo isn’t like the one in this journal, it’s better to put an enticing photo as your first one...
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
a photo that’s a little tempting...

Like that photo of Korean pork soup with hard-boiled eggs... That one really grabs you! 😉
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
New messages were written about travel journals, but not in the right topic. I’m taking the liberty of reproducing them here along with their authors’ names:

Jojoone1:

Yep, yep. Thread where I’d already chimed in Cool It’s true that when I reread myself, I sometimes come off as pretty stiff. Guess I just say things straight the way I see ‘em—I must get that from my mom.

Thread started back in the day by Jemaflor, who quoted an author whose words had me laughing because there was nothing but truth in ‘em. Those slide projections after vacations when I was a kid—I could never get enough. Other people’s travel photos, when they weren’t interesting? That was pure suffering endured out of politeness.

It was kinda surprising that it was Jemaflor who started this kind of topic, given how he makes amazing travel journals that don’t get nearly enough praise. Such is life.

Jojoone1:

Phew, we’re saved—these journals didn’t stop. When someone doesn’t care too much about others, they’re often immune to criticism. There’s one journal I kept following, especially since the author’s really nice. The other one? Not possible. Too bad, the subject interested me, and there were unique stops. But you get it—mom in almost every photo? Not for me.

Though, you could argue that if just one person does that, it adds a touch of originality and diversity to the journals... Crazy Right? She already had a unique tone and raw but honest reflections I didn’t mind, and I saw you agreed.

Now, apart from that, there’s also a pet peeve you have to put up with in these journals: the infamous line “Can I tag along?” or “Is there room for me in your 4x4?” It’s a cute phrase the first five times you read it, even if you unconsciously sense it’s a bit silly. It’s the gimmick that lighthearted folks can repeat endlessly with delight—and that quickly grates on others. Seriously, after a while, some people find it exasperating. Sometimes you get a whole page of it in a journal, and honestly, it just doesn’t work. It’s like those phrases people repeat nonstop the second they hear or read them somewhere—like “it’s good for the planet” or “consume in moderation.”

Sure, the intention is good at first. It really depends on whether you like the fluff. And as others would say, it’s still better than indifference.

Montagnard74:

Hey Joël, While I totally get the rejection of the “family album” (since, like you, the subject interested me—wink wink), I think you’re being a bit harsh on the famous 4x4 phrase. It’s a way (admittedly a bit cheesy) to signal to the author that they’re not alone in their journal (even if the view count doesn’t necessarily reflect the number of participants). Since I sense you’re on a roll, I’ll let you suggest more to your taste for lighthearted folks and marshmallow lovers to encourage authors to keep going (because if no one reads the journals, what’s the point?)
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
There’s one travel journal I kept following, especially since the author is nice. The other one, it just wasn’t possible.

The annoying thing about this journal is that the author completely ignores the cost of publishing it. Three journals for the same trip just to bypass the 300-photo rule—so typically French...

For the rest, everyone can do as they please. No one’s forced to read a travel journal, and if you start a thread and realize after a while that it’s getting on your nerves, there’s the magic button: Unfollow!😛
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi,

Phew, we’re saved—these travel journals haven’t stopped. When someone doesn’t care too much about others, they’re often immune to criticism. There’s one journal I kept following, especially since the author’s really nice. The other one? Not possible. Too bad, the topic interested me, and there were some unique stops. But you get it—mom in almost every photo? No way for me.

Then again, you might say that if just one person does that, it adds a touch of originality and diversity to the journals... Crazy, right? She already had a unique tone and raw but honest thoughts I didn’t mind, and I saw you agreed.

Now, apart from that, there’s also this language tic you have to put up with sometimes in journals: the infamous phrase “can I tag along?” or “is there room for me in your 4x4?” It’s a cute phrase the first five times you read it, even if you unconsciously sense it’s a bit silly. It’s the kind of gimmick lighthearted people can repeat endlessly with delight—and that quickly grates on others. Seriously, after a while, some people find it exasperating. Sometimes you get a whole page of it in a journal, and honestly, it just doesn’t work. It’s like those expressions people repeat nonstop the second they hear or read them somewhere—like “it’s good for the planet” or “consume in moderation.”

Sure, the intention’s good at first. It really depends on whether you like marshmallow fluff. And as others would say, it’s still better than indifference.

What I appreciate about the photos in the incriminated “family album” journal is that the ever-present, stiff shots of the lady aren’t polished at all. In a sea of artificially curated faces—where obsessive ego-image control is the norm online—it feels refreshingly real. And kind of funny.

As for the predictable, repetitive “tagging along in 4x4s” thing (which is a hard no: ugh, the closeness! Can you imagine your skin rubbing against your neighbor’s with every bump in the road? 🤪), a little indulgence, maybe? Who cares, really!

The beauty of online conversations is that you can quickly skip what bores or annoys you and just pick out what interests you—you just need a little practice with selective reading/viewing.

Have a great Sunday!

Cat
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KO Kola Globetrotter ·
New messages were written about travel journals but not in the right topic. I’m taking the liberty of reposting them here with their authors’ names:

Copying posts from elsewhere, taking them out of context to steer a discussion that might have continued naturally on its own is kind of confusing. 😐

What’s annoying about this travel journal...

This famous travel journal that everyone’s talking about without ever actually quoting it...

...is that they don’t give a damn about the cost of publishing it.

Seriously?
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Copying messages posted elsewhere, extracting them from their context to steer a discussion that might have continued spontaneously on its own is perplexing. Dubious.

It would indeed have been possible to ask the moderators to move them here. 🙂

That famous travel journal everyone talks about without ever citing it...

A little mystery doesn’t hurt. Besides, those journals aren’t that hard to find...

Seriously?

Yes.
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KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Agnes, your text shifts are confusing me! I’m not enough of a stickler to notice that kind of mistake. Whether it’s written here or elsewhere doesn’t bother me...

What *does* bother me is the little debate started by Jojoone about a certain travel journal. I feel bad for its author! Would you have the courage to say that to their face? As for the 4x4, so what? 🤪 I think the expression is pretty nice, good-natured, and encouraging for the author of the journal.

See, all of that bothers me less than the bad vibes in the Asia section, where sarcasm, mockery, and other mean-spirited comments are spread by members whose pretentiousness is constantly competing. I’d heard about it but thought it had calmed down.
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Agnes

3 travel journals for the same trip to bypass the 300-photo rule—so typically French...

The trip lasts over a month and is a multi-stop journey. Some people take four one-week trips in the same country over the same total duration and get to have 1,200 photos without any issue.

Catherine
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Would you have the courage to tell them to their face what you think?

It seems Jojoone1 wrote what they thought in travel journal 1. Others did too.

Personally, I mentioned the 300-photo rule since that’s what bothers me.

Then there’s the "unfollow" button...

I’d heard about it but thought it had calmed down.

Apparently not.🤪
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hello,

You see, all that bothers me less than the bad vibes in the Asia section, where sarcasm, mockery, and other nastiness are spread by members whose pretentiousness is constantly competing.

Southeast Asia, right? Traveling through the west, north, and far east of the areas in question (where I never pay attention since I’ll most likely never set foot there), the conversations are completely friendly.

Catherine
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Hi Catherine,

You're right, it would be fairer to limit the number of photos per day of travel. 🙂

But what a hassle! 🤪 (Another very French thing...)

There were a lot of restrictions/interventions/options I didn’t agree with in the old team.

But personally, I find the photo limit sensible (even if it’s really hard to stick to on a long trip).

Myatlas, like VF, almost didn’t recover from Covid.

The problem: server costs.

VF is still free, but what’s expensive is limited. Myatlas is free in a limited version and paid in the "all-you-can-post" version.

That’s pretty much how it is everywhere now for hosting large files.
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KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Southeast Asia, right?

Yeah, pretty much.
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MA Masterpo Globetrotter ·
Southeast Asia, no?

Yeah, pretty much.

We can even say SEA.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
What a nightmare! (Another fine French invention...)

You’re probably thinking of the Flamanville EPR, which has finally started operating? (Nope, I’m outta here =>)

To offset the operating costs, maybe we’d need to add more ads 😛
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I get the feeling that ads galore aren’t the cash cow they used to be back in the early days of the internet...
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Wouldn’t your idea fit better in this discussion? 😇

https://voyageforum.com/forum/idees-diverses-relancer-ameliorer-site-d10628432/
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
yeah, I agree, you’ve got to see that the Covid crisis changed the course of things and modified everything 🙁 Edit 13:00 yeah, my idea is just one idea among others. We’ll see if the members of this forum accept it
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Southeast Asia, right?

Yeah, pretty much.

We could even say PDS...

I don’t know what PDS means 😕
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I didn’t get it either.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
It remains to be seen whether the members of this forum accept it

Personally, I don’t like ads. They’re getting worse and worse, popping up like a bad hair day even when you don’t lock your cookies... Worse, they have the opposite effect on me. I tend to boycott brands that bombard me with their cringey ads.

I’ve always wondered what the ratio is between views and actual purchases?

Here, it’s more about travel-related product presentations than ads for fast Chinese fashion. It’s less annoying.
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MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
You know, all that bothers me less than the bad vibes in the Asia section, where sarcasm, mockery, and other mean-spirited comments are spread by members whose pretentiousness is constantly competing. I’d heard about it before, but I thought things had calmed down.

Back then, I’d skipped updating my travel journal about Vietnam because of that atmosphere, where every sentence I wrote was met with controversy. Since then, my Laos/Cambodia journal has been pretty quiet… Maybe the bad-news birds hadn’t come back yet? 🤪🤪
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
About the predictable and repetitive side of boarding in 4x4s (which are out of the question: how awful the lack of space is! Can you imagine your skin rubbing against the bumps in the road against your neighbor’s? ), a little indulgence, no? Who cares! Cat

But all of this is still hypothetical, Catherine! We’d never squeeze 15 people into a 4x4! (I know you know )
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I don’t know what PDS means :/

Land of Smiles (and it’s been that way for a long time). That’s Thailand. Actually, it’s *them* who smile, not us—we’re caught up in the relentless work grind and Western lifestyle.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Ugh, Asians—they work like crazy, it's in their genes. They can work more than ten hours a day without complaining. It's not that Westerners are lazy, but obviously the mentality and culture aren't the same. In Asian culture, influenced by Confucianism, the goal of life is to get rich. In French culture, that’s kind of frowned upon :P So even in Thailand, the Land of Smiles, I don’t think they work just 35 hours a week.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
What bothers me is the little debate started by Jojoone about a certain travel journal. I feel bad for its author! Would you have the courage to tell them to their face what you think? As for the 4x4, so what? I find the expression rather nice, good-natured, and encouraging for the author of the travel journal.

Oh come on, would I be the only one being honest? :) Go ahead, we can occasionally start a debate or voice some criticism. It’s way less serious than France’s budget situation. Maybe there weren’t any responses because most people agreed?

See, all this bothers me less than the bad vibes in the Asia section, where sarcasm, mockery, and other mean-spirited comments are spread by members whose pretentiousness is constantly competing. I’d heard about it but thought things had calmed down.

It probably didn’t go over well for you to get such blunt responses after some of your less-than-perfect interventions. It’s too bad because each time, you started with good intentions. That’s life—one day you say what you think (without meaning any harm), and boom! Someone ends up feeling really uncomfortable. With so many people on a forum, there are all kinds of personalities. Different ways of expressing yourself in writing that can affect others. Don’t worry, the people who annoy you are also annoyed by others for different reasons.

If you look closely, in the Thailand forum, there are really only 4 or 5 regulars who do their best to answer most of the questions. Given how long some of their responses are, they even spend a fair amount of time on it. And I’ll say it: the worst ones haven’t come back to this day. Among them, some have unfortunately left us for good.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
There’s so much to say on this topic.

In Thailand, you often see two to five people doing a job you’d handle alone back home. Let’s not forget the French were long at the top for productivity. At least their system keeps unemployment very low. The flip side? The average monthly income is around 400 €, and retirement pensions are negligible. In the end, you realize that in a tropical country with high humidity—where it’s either 30°C or 40°C—you can’t grind as hard as you would at home. Digging deeper, you find that many juggle multiple jobs just to get by, often working 7 days a week without even taking vacations. Imagine their surprise when they learn how much you paid for your flight ticket or what your salary is. I often wonder how they feel knowing all the places in their country you’ve visited, while they’ll never be able to afford it themselves.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Oh come on, would I be the only one being honest? :) Go ahead, we can occasionally start a debate or voice a criticism. It's way less serious than France's budget situation. For all we know, there weren’t any other commenters because most people agreed?

There were at least two of us; I tuned out and said so.
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
In the same vein, this was a big debate back in 2007 when we had to decide whether to go to Thailand or not. On one hand, lounging by the pool (even though we didn’t *just* do that) while the country was still rebuilding after the 2004 tragedy. But it was also about bringing in our foreign currency by not snubbing the destination. The trip was magical!
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust

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