July 2014: Finally Back!!! So Excited to Show the West to the Kids!
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PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Too bad you didn’t go for two and a half months—I’d have gladly read a few more pages!!

Well, I have to admit it’s time for me to move on...😉 My husband’s already asking for the photo album, which I’ve barely started—I’ve only done 7 pages!!

Have you already finalized your 2015 itinerary? What a treat to be able to leave again so soon!

Yes, the itinerary’s all set, but we had to cut some things because I had enough for 40 days and we’re only going for 22... as always, we had to make some tough choices!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
See you soon for the next trip! 😛

If it’s like this year and I can only work on the travel journal during the All Saints' holiday, I’d say see you in almost a year! 😉
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Hi Laure,

Between work and the end-of-year holidays, I totally spaced on your travel journal .

I was thinking it’d been a while since I’d read you !😉 Thanks for following along like you did with the first journal!

See you soon for new adventures?! ...

Yep, like I said above, see you next year!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Hi Didier, Your message made me so happy, but this is too much for one person! !

VF Award 2014 for the Most Detailed, Best-Documented, and Most Useful Travel Journal

I won’t have a choice then—my next one will have to be just as good! !😉

VF Award 2014 for the Best-Prepared Trip of 2014

I don’t think I deserve this one! Did you forget we never found False Kiva?!!

VF Award 2014 for the Best-Written Travel Journal, with Flawless Spelling and a Pleasant, Airy Style

This one really means a lot to me because I did try to keep the style enjoyable, and spelling is important to me (probably a professional quirk!).

VF Award 2014 for the Coolest Kids on VF, Who Enjoy Trips Planned by Their Parents and Walk Like Champs Without Complaining Too Much: Hugo and Calista

...and they’d better stay just as sweet in 2015!!

VF Award 2014 for the Luckiest Husband Because He Has a Wife Who Plans Amazing Trips and Kids Who Behave So Well: Yannick

And you can add his wife’s thanks for the photos—because while I use them for albums and VoyageForum, he’s the one taking them!! Without him, there wouldn’t be many, since I’d rather soak in the moment than play photographer... and then I complain when there aren’t any pictures! !😉
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Okay, and since we have to put an end to the trip...

Day 31 Wednesday, August 6

We wake up at 7:30 AM, have breakfast in the room, and then play "Tetris" to fit everything into our suitcases. That’s when we’re glad we have Yannick’s big sports bag too: on the way there, we’d only put Calista’s booster seat in it so we wouldn’t have to carry it during the layover, but this time the bag is full, and we’ll have the booster seat in hand. We’re allowed to bring it on the plane in addition to our carry-on luggage.

We leave the hotel at 10:00 AM. Tucson Airport is about forty minutes away. We follow the "Rental Car Return" signs and quickly realize Thrifty isn’t there. Oops! All the other rental companies are there—why are they off on their own? It stresses me out. I enter the address into Sygic, and luckily, the Thrifty agency is just a few streets away from the other rental companies. I relax! We can exit the big "Rental Car Return" parking lot without any issues—no one asks us anything. Still weird, though!

Returning the car goes smoothly—three minutes flat. We still point out that the "Oil Life Remaining" light shows 4%, so they can change the filter, but it’s no longer our problem!

A shuttle bus specially arranged for us takes us and drops us off near the Delta counter. We’d already checked in online the day before, yet it takes a while at the counter before we get our tickets. Then, security goes super fast, and we’re in the boarding area by 11:15 AM. Takeoff is scheduled for 12:30 PM, and there’s not much to do—just one souvenir shop to kill time. I still find a nice cactus magnet (since I couldn’t buy one at the visitors' centers in the parks) and an Arizona-themed mug. We finish off our leftover bread, beef jerky, and bananas, but we don’t have anything to drink since they took our bottles at security. Gotta buy something...

Of course (I wonder who’s the jinx in this family!!), our plane doesn’t leave on time! We don’t take off until 1:00 PM, which leaves us only 45 minutes in Atlanta to catch our Air France connecting flight to Paris. But in this direction, it’s no problem at all! No long lines since there’s no immigration to go through, and Atlanta’s airport is really well designed. So here we are, just a few hours away from returning to France.



There you have it! That’s how this amazing 30-day trip comes to an end. On the first flight (from Tucson to Atlanta), I shed a tear during takeoff as I watched the desert landscapes fade away, thinking we’d have to wait two years to come back. And Hugo, who wasn’t even sitting next to me, did the same! We’re such an emotional family!

Once back in France, I sometimes checked flight prices and was lucky enough—at the end of September—to find flights for 3000 € for the four of us for next summer. So we did the math and decided to change our plans! We won’t have to wait two years to return to the West—it’ll be July 2015! The adventure continues!!
IT Itat Globetrotter ·
Hello Peggy,

I haven’t posted much, but I’ve always read your posts—a huge thank you for this super refreshing travel journal. It’s such a nice change from the usual shallow topics you find here and there. Phew, that’s why we love Voyage Forum! Thanks, and can’t wait for the next trip, huh? 😉
HE Herikles Globetrotter ·
So we did some calculations and decided to change our plans! We won’t need to wait 2 years before heading back to the West… it’ll be July 2015!

And there we go, hooked! 😏 The travel bug’s got us... This travel journal was really great. Lovely photos, well told, and a few fun anecdotes... See you soon for the next one. 😉
Les concours photos VF
DI Didierswiss Veteran ·
VF Award 2014 for Luckiest Husband because he has a wife who plans amazing trips and kids who behave so well: Yannick

And you can add his wife’s thanks for the photos, because even though I use them for albums and the travel forum, he’s the one who takes them!! Without him, there wouldn’t be many, since I’d rather soak in the moment than play photographer... and then I complain when there aren’t any photos! 😉

Well, you’ll laugh (or not!) but actually, rereading my post this afternoon (too late to edit, sadly), I realized I forgot one of the Awards I wanted to give: the Best Photos in a Travel Journal... So it’s awarded a little late to Yannick, who took some really great photos of your trip...

And to wrap up, a group award for the whole family... you all seem like such a nice, balanced, and happy family. Wishing you all a 2015 full of amazing trips and wonderful things in general!!!
GR Gregworldny ·
Thanks for this fun travel journal—I read it all, just quietly. :) Happy New Year 2015!
CO Copeled Regular ·
We skipped Valley of Fire this time due to lack of time, but your photos and the low crowds in this park confirm that we’ll have to stop there on our next trip.
CO Copeled Regular ·
I totally agree with you, Laure, about Angel’s Landing. It’s a tough hike because the way up is physically demanding (it’s a serious climb) and also requires a lot of caution. This summer, we saw people who clearly weren’t aware of the danger—including a guy holding an infant in one arm while gripping the chains with the other... And I won’t even get started on the hikers in flip-flops or the ones who didn’t bring any water... Well done to Hugo for making it all the way and to Calista for wanting to go!😉
AN Anirbas Regular ·
Hi Peggy, We did the Fire Wave in 44°C heat, which was tough for me since I handle cold better than heat, but it was totally worth it—it’s so stunning! In three months, we’re heading back out west for the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Bryce Canyon, Antelope... I’ll keep reading your posts and dreaming about my next trip...🙂
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PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Hi Thibaud, It’s high time I replied to all those messages I’ve left hanging...

I haven’t chimed in often, but I’ve always read your posts. A huge thank you for this super refreshing travel journal—it’s such a breath of fresh air compared to the usual shallow topics we see here and there. Phew, that’s why we love Voyage Forum!

Thanks for your kind words! Yeah, there *have* been some pretty "special" discussions lately...

Thanks, and can’t wait for the next trip, right? 😉

Oh yes!!!!!!!!!! Bring it on—in 6 months, we’ll be there! :)
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
And there we go, trapped! 😏 Hook, line, and sinker... This travel journal was really great. Lovely photos, well told, some fun anecdotes... See you for the next one. 😉

Thanks to you, Erik! Yeah, hook, line, and sinker... those who’ve never been out West just don’t get it! 😉
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
And to finish, a collective award for the whole family... you really seem like a very nice, balanced, and happy family. All my best wishes to you all for a 2015 full of wonderful trips and great things in general!!!

That’s so kind of you! Compliments like that always make my day! 😎 Happy New Year 2015 to you too, and to all the West enthusiasts!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Thanks for this nice travel journal—I read it discreetly, but in full. :) Happy New Year 2015!

Thanks for reading me... and Happy New Year to you too!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
We skipped Valley of Fire this time due to lack of time, but your photos and the park’s low crowds confirm we’ll have to stop there on our next trip.

Oh yes!!!! You *have* to go!!!!

Going back to your other post—it’s crazy to be so reckless as to take an infant to Angel’s Landing!!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Thanks for reading, Sabrina!

In 3 months we’re heading back west for the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Bryce Canyon, Antelope... I’ll keep reading you and dreaming about my next trip...🙂

Less than 3 months now... it’ll be here before we know it! Enjoy it to the fullest!
HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Hi Peggy,

I checked out the Paria Outpost site, and under each site listed by the Dodsons, I see a rate of $175 per person. Is this rate a day pass, or do you have to pay that amount for each site you want to visit?

You combined Coyote Buttes South and White Pocket. Did you pay $175 per person twice? For four people, if it’s a day pass, that should come to $700. Is there a different rate depending on the kids’ ages?

Thanks so much for clarifying!

See you soon! !
Hiacinthe
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Hi Christine, The rate of $175 is for the day and per adult (meals included). They charge $50 per child, but I don’t think there’s a different rate depending on age (Cendryon went there with teens and also paid $50 per kid). So that made a total of $450 for us, which came to 335 € in 2014 (unfortunately, with the current exchange rate, it’s closer to 420 € now...). Have a great evening!
HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Hi Peggy,

Thank you so much for the explanations. I now understand the rate you mentioned. On the website, they didn’t specify it was $50 per child. But unfortunately for us, our girls aren’t teenagers anymore. The youngest just turned 18. So that would be $175 x 4.

Oh wow, that’s expensive.

I’m discussing it with my husband right now. And I’m afraid we might have to pass because of the price.

Have a great evening.

See you soon! !
Hiacinthe
PO Pong Globetrotter ·
Without trying to drive prices down too much, since the service is definitely worth it, don't hesitate to share your family setup with the Dodsons and ask what price they can offer you. They don’t respond super quickly to emails, but they’re really nice, 🙂 and he even offered me a discount for next time... 😇 Happy planning! 😎
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LA LaLee Regular ·
Hi there,

A few months ago, I emailed the Dodsons about CBS + White Pocket for a visit in July 2015. I mentioned our kids’ ages (20 and 17), and they quoted us $450 for the whole family—$175 per adult and $50 per child, including water and lunch. I just bought our CBS permits tonight at 8 PM, and everything seems to have gone smoothly, so I should receive the permits by email soon. 🙂
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OR Orionide Globetrotter ·
So that would be $175 x 4.

And at that point, I’m worried the price might be a deal-breaker.

Good evening Christine,

I was in the same dilemma as you: there are four of us, plus our two kids—our 16-year-old daughter and our oldest, who’ll turn 19 this summer. We’ve planned White Pocket and CBS (we just got our permits today 😊). First, I actually checked out the Dodson option, following the advice from this forum, but the price for four still seemed pretty steep So next, we considered going on our own, but I’ll admit the sandy roads made me a little nervous. Then, while searching, I came across a guide from Kanab: http://nationalparktourz.com/atv-slot-canyon-tours/ who’ll take just the four of us for the day to CBS and White Pocket for $480 all-in. So in your case, it’d actually be even more worth it to pay that price instead of the $700 from Dodson. The reviews on TripAdvisor are really positive, and the email exchanges have been super friendly, so we’ll see...
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HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean-Philippe,

I see that the Dodsons quoted Nathalie a rate of $450, even though their kids are 17 and 20. I’ll ask them what their rate is, considering our daughters’ ages.

Actually, for us, it’ll be July 2016, and our girls will be 19 and 21 by then. Depending on the price the Dodsons give us, we can decide. If they charge $175 for our older daughter, we might go with the Kanab guide you mentioned.

Thanks so much, and have a great evening!
Hiacinthe
HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Hi Nathalie,

Great news! It would be awesome if we could get a family package for $450, even with our oldest daughter turning 21.

Thanks so much, and have a great evening too!
Hiacinthe
OR Orionide Globetrotter ·
A few months ago, I emailed the Dodsons about CBS + White Pocket for a visit in July 2015. I gave them our kids' ages (20 and 17), and they quoted us $450 for the whole family. $175 per adult and $50 per kid, including water and lunch.

Darn, I thought I’d gotten a great deal 😕 It’s a bit silly of them not to mention that on their site.
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HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
It might not be too late to switch things up.

If one of the guides from Paria Outpost is available and you can cancel the booking with the Kanab guide without fees, why not?
Hiacinthe
OR Orionide Globetrotter ·
I’ll still lose $50, and in the end, it’ll come out to the same... The Kanab guidebook says the outing lasts over 8 hours. If Nathalie could tell us how long the Dodsons are planning for, that’d be great.
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LA LaLee Regular ·
In their email, they mention leaving really early, at 6 AM, to avoid the heat and because the combined excursions last 8 to 9 hours in total.
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BA Bastinj Globetrotter ·
Hello JP,

You might’ve still made the right call by going with a Kanab outfitter, since the Dodsons’ schedule has a super early start (6:00 AM, 7:00 AM at the latest) in summer🤪, with a return around 3–4 PM. So with the Dodsons, you miss out on those gorgeous late-day light conditions 😕

Ask your outfitter to push back the departure so you can catch the sunset at CBS (or at least still be there in the late afternoon). (On top of the steep price, that’s one of the reasons we decided to go on our own, too)
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HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
With the Kanab guide, did you have to put down a $50 deposit?
Hiacinthe
OR Orionide Globetrotter ·
Thanks to all three of you for replying! 🙂 For the departure time, it's 9 AM from Kanab, but I'm planning to push it back a bit since I'll be entering the lottery for CBN (lost again this year in the lottery 🏴‍☠️). For the deposit, I paid more than $50 ($122 exactly), but if I cancel, they'll keep $50. So, based on what Jacqueline said, it might not be a bad idea to leave Kanab later...
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HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Thanks also, Pierre, for your message.

Did the Dodsons take several days to reply to you by email?

You mention a next time. Have you already stopped by Paria Outpost to visit CBS (or another site), or are you planning to do so on a future trip?

See you soon!
Hiacinthe
PO Pong Globetrotter ·
The Dodsons took several days to reply to your email?

Yeah, but that was quite a few years ago now... before smartphones became widespread, for example... 😇

You’re talking about next time. Have you already stopped by Paria Outpost to visit CBS?

After visiting CBS and White Pocket, on the way back, Steve told me not to hesitate to come back and that he’d offer a discount—something other travelers have also benefited from, I think, according to the forum... 😎 I remember the road was pretty rough! 😏
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OR Orionide Globetrotter ·
I got an email from the DODSONs, and sure enough, it’s a 6 AM departure in the summer, so we’ll be back in the mid-afternoon. They also confirmed it’s $450 for a family of 4.
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HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Hi Pierre,

On their website, the Dodsons should mention they offer family packages. Under each site they suggest we visit, it says "$175 per person." I wondered about the kids because, in her travel journal, Peggy listed the price she paid ($450), and that didn’t add up to $175 x 4. So I figured there might be a discount for children.

Yeah, I’m expecting a lot of bumps on the trail. Peggy mentioned how hard it was to eat her sandwich in the 4x4 on the way to White Pocket, and I saw photos of the trail yesterday in Jacqueline’s journal.

Thanks for the details and have a great afternoon!
Hiacinthe
PO Pong Globetrotter ·
I hope you can make it! 🙂 Because then I’m sure you’ll bring back some amazing photos!… 😉 Happy Easter! 😎
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HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean-Philippe,

That family package sounds interesting. However, I’d ask them about it for us because I’m wondering if there’s an age restriction, since our kids are now adults. If we go, as planned, in July 2016, our oldest daughter will have just turned 22 (I was wrong yesterday when I said "21").

For the schedule, that’s what Peggy mentioned in her travel journal. The downside is the heat during part of the day—but there’s no way around that. Another downside, as Jacqueline pointed out, is missing the evening light. Anyway, we’re not as adventurous as she is, and we won’t try going on our own. I saw how rough the trail was in her photos, and I also read what happened to her back in 2011, I think, with the Page guide who didn’t know how to drive on such a trail and ruined their day.

So, we’ll choose between the Dodsons and the Kanab guide.

Jean-Philippe, I’m sure you’ll write a travel journal when you get back and share your thoughts on this excursion with the Kanab guide.

Have a great afternoon! !
Hiacinthe
HI Hiacinthe Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I hope I can make it. But I’ll have to wait until July 2016. That’s looong.

For now, Easter’s been rainy. Things should improve starting Sunday, and we’ll be able to hike in the forest.

I love what you said about the photos. It’s our second passion after the American West.

Have a great afternoon!
Hiacinthe
VA Vavili Regular ·
Really beautiful travel journal! Do you know where the viewpoint from the end of the movie "Thelma and Louise" is? I want to include it in our next trip.
IS Isap29 Globetrotter ·
Hi Valérie,

Do you know where the viewpoint from the final scene of "Thelma & Louise" is?

38.45204, -109.73441
VA Vavili Regular ·
Thanks Isap!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Really beautiful travel journal! Do you know where the viewpoint from the end of the movie "Thelma & Louise" is? I want to include it in our next trip.

Well, there you go, Alain-Pierre answered before me... good thing because I had no idea! 😉
EG Egladil Regular ·
Good evening Peggy😉

I devoured your travel journal in just a few hours today! Fabulous! And your photos are stunning!

Thank you for sharing this bit of dream and emotion while we wait for our departure in July!

Just 84 days to go— that’s 2 months and 23 days... Feels long... We’re doing roughly the same itinerary but without the Yellowstone part...

So I’ll be borrowing quite a few of your ideas and addresses...

By the way, we have one hotel in common: the Hilton Grand Vacations in Las Vegas! (We booked a 2-bedroom king suite.) Could you share more impressions about that stop? One question—did you opt for the breakfast option?

Anyway, thank you for sharing your emotions, memories, reflections, and joys... It was such a pleasure to read your post and look at your beautiful photos.

See you soon! 😉
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PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Good evening, Sorry I didn’t reply sooner—I just didn’t take the time...

I devoured your travel journal in just a few hours today! Amazing! And your photos are gorgeous!

Thank you so much!

Just 84 days left—2 months and 23 days... It feels so long...

I count in weeks—it makes it feel like it’s going faster! ;) We leave in 11 weeks.

By the way, we’re staying at the same hotel—the Hilton Grand Vacation in Las Vegas! (We booked a 2-bedroom king suite.) Could you share more impressions about this stop? One question: did you get the breakfast option?

Wow, two bedrooms!? How many of you are going? As for the hotel, it’s true it’s not right on the Strip, so you won’t be able to walk to other hotels... But we loved that there was no line at check-in, the room size (67 m²), no casino, and hardly anyone at the pool... For breakfast, I wrote this in my journal: it’s not really a full breakfast—you get one drink and one food item per person.

Thanks again for reading and for your super positive feedback!
HE Herikles Globetrotter ·
Hilton Grand Vacation in Las Vegas

There’s Hilton Grand Vacation (between Planet Hollywood and MGM) and Hilton Grand Vacation Suites (beyond the Circus) in Las Vegas.



🙂
Les concours photos VF
AL Alice331 Regular ·
Hi Peggy, congratulations and a huge thank you for this amazing travel journal—just like you can see, it’s still useful nearly a year after your last posts!
PE Peggy16 Globetrotter ·
Thanks! 🙂
FA Fay2 Veteran ·
Hi Peggy! I just went through your CBS photos again... Gorgeous! It really makes you want to go! A few quick questions... Wasn’t it too hot in July for hiking at CBS? 3.5 hours of walking... with or without any shade? I’m thinking of the Fire Wave at Valley of Fire, where it was *really* hot... is it about the same? Do you think we could do just Cottonwood Cove without White Pocket in half a day? Can’t wait to read your next travel journal...
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