Moins de touristes au Cambodge?
by Pascman
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Salut il parait qu'il y a beaucoup moins de touristes au Cambodge à cause des problèmes entre la Thailande et le Cambodge. Avez vous cette impression ? ou avez vous eu des nouvelles à ce sujet ?
Les thais qui venaient dans les casinos vont maintenant en Birmanie...
Septembre au niveau mondial, recul de 3/100 du nombres des passagers avions, première contraction du marché depuis 2003...Bien sur rien à voir avec les escarmouches de Preah Vihear...
Septembre au niveau mondial, recul de 3/100 du nombres des passagers avions, première contraction du marché depuis 2003...Bien sur rien à voir avec les escarmouches de Preah Vihear...
Roger
Cette histoire de problemes en Thailande -politiques, avec le Cambodge- CA ME FATIGUE. Nous qui habitons en Thailande, on ne voit rien, car rien ne se passe sauf dans 2 endroits bien determines: le quartier des ministeres et autres a Bangkok pour les pbs politiques intyerieurs, et la zone de Preh Vihear pour la slade avec le Cambodge ou, d'ailleurs, les Thais sont entierement dans leur tort. Tout ca, c'est encore le resultat des journaux montant l'affaire, le sang se vendant beaucoup mieux que la paix (sans compter les ambassades et consulats avec leurs alertes imbeciles).
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Stop relax!!!!!!!! Je pose cette question uniquement parce que je viens de parler à des amis qui vivent à Siem Reap et qui constate avoir moins de client depuis 1 mois 1/2 selon eux à cause du problème de frontière avec la thailande. Ils n'accusaient pas la thailande, mais constatait la baisse de touriste that's all !!!!!!
Donc je demandais aux gens de la bas de me dire ce qu'ils savaient
Donc je demandais aux gens de la bas de me dire ce qu'ils savaient
Il n'y avait absolument aucun reproche dans mon commentaire. Je regrette seulement que les medias montent en epingle des problemes mineurs au point que les touristes hesitent a visiter un endroit. La preuve: aller de Siem Reap a Preah Vihear prend une bonne journne sur des pistes impossibles, mais, a cause de tous ces abrutis, comme tu le dis, le tourisme baisse a Angkor (je remarque egalement le nbre de questions du genre "Est-il dangereux de voyager en Thailande ces temps-ci?"). Les journaleux: A FUSILLER!!!!!!
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Les journaleux: A FUSILLER!!!!!!
FEU !! 😏😏😏😏😏mdr .
FEU !! 😏😏😏😏😏mdr .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Bonjour Pascman🙂,
Je ne vis pas au Cambodge, mais il peut y avoir d'autres explications à la baisse constatée par vos amis : Ont-ils comparé avec les années précédentes à la même époque ? Car, nous sommes dans l'entre-saisons après la saison d'été et avant la grande saison qui commence plutôt à fin novembre. Sans comparaison avec les années précédentes, on ne peut parler de "baisse" de touristes, sauf sur l'effet saisonnier précité.😉 Les événements économiques de ces derniers mois ont eu un effet dévastateur sur le porte-monnaie des ménages et tant en Occident (pour la petite partie des touristes) qu'en Orient (Japon - Corée - Singapoure pour la majorité des touristes visiteurs des cités d'Angkor). On peut dès lors imaginer facilement que c'est dans le budget vacances que les premières coupes vont s'opérer...😕
Voilà peut-être le début d'explication de ce que vivent vos amis sur place...
Cordialement, Ugolin70
Je ne vis pas au Cambodge, mais il peut y avoir d'autres explications à la baisse constatée par vos amis : Ont-ils comparé avec les années précédentes à la même époque ? Car, nous sommes dans l'entre-saisons après la saison d'été et avant la grande saison qui commence plutôt à fin novembre. Sans comparaison avec les années précédentes, on ne peut parler de "baisse" de touristes, sauf sur l'effet saisonnier précité.😉 Les événements économiques de ces derniers mois ont eu un effet dévastateur sur le porte-monnaie des ménages et tant en Occident (pour la petite partie des touristes) qu'en Orient (Japon - Corée - Singapoure pour la majorité des touristes visiteurs des cités d'Angkor). On peut dès lors imaginer facilement que c'est dans le budget vacances que les premières coupes vont s'opérer...😕
Voilà peut-être le début d'explication de ce que vivent vos amis sur place...
Cordialement, Ugolin70
Bonjour ugolin!
je pense qu'il faut s'attendre à un recul du tourisme...La crise est bien là...Le Cambodge est du seul point de vue du transport une destination chère...
Actuellement, je crois que (la régression est mondiale) le prix du pétrole en Septembre, explique le recul du nombre de passagers sur les vols (en général, première baisse depuis 2003) la chute du fret aérien au niveau mondial est de l'ordre de 8/100 en septembre...La récession amorcée ne va pouvoir que s'ampliflier par le crash financier...Les effets vont se faire sentir dés cet hiver et se renforcer...40 :100 de resa de moins en thailande or les tours operators thais sont un élément important de la fréquentation touristique à SR...
En positif, pour le cambodge le jeu des parités monétaires... L'euro n'a pas perdu beaucoup par rapport au riel au vu des 20/100 qu'il a perdu en Thailande face au bath ...Mais celà implique de ne plus changer les euros en USD mais en riels ! Et ca c'est nouveau ... A suivre!
D'accord pour dire que les effets des problèmes frontaliers sont mineurs par rapport au tourisme international (sauf coté thai: casino, ce n'est pas mon invention!😉)
Bonne soirée
je pense qu'il faut s'attendre à un recul du tourisme...La crise est bien là...Le Cambodge est du seul point de vue du transport une destination chère...
Actuellement, je crois que (la régression est mondiale) le prix du pétrole en Septembre, explique le recul du nombre de passagers sur les vols (en général, première baisse depuis 2003) la chute du fret aérien au niveau mondial est de l'ordre de 8/100 en septembre...La récession amorcée ne va pouvoir que s'ampliflier par le crash financier...Les effets vont se faire sentir dés cet hiver et se renforcer...40 :100 de resa de moins en thailande or les tours operators thais sont un élément important de la fréquentation touristique à SR...
En positif, pour le cambodge le jeu des parités monétaires... L'euro n'a pas perdu beaucoup par rapport au riel au vu des 20/100 qu'il a perdu en Thailande face au bath ...Mais celà implique de ne plus changer les euros en USD mais en riels ! Et ca c'est nouveau ... A suivre!
D'accord pour dire que les effets des problèmes frontaliers sont mineurs par rapport au tourisme international (sauf coté thai: casino, ce n'est pas mon invention!😉)
Bonne soirée
Roger
La crise est bien là
J'ai plein de chiffres concernant le ViêtNam, mais difficile de faire une analyse objective🙂
Durant les 9 premiers mois de 2008: Il n'y a que 5.9 % d'augmentations du nombre de touristes Il y a plus de 700 % d'augmentations de touristes venant par voie maritime (les touristes richissimes américains et japonais débarquant à Danang sur des bateaux de croisière luxueuse). Il n'y a pas de crise pour les riches! Par voie routière, il y a 28 % d'augmentation Les touristes venant à partir du Cambodge ont baissé de 7, 5 %, alors que les touristes ont augmenté de 19.6%, venant du Laos et de 17.5% venant de Thailande
Classement par pays de provenance parmi les pays ayant le nombre de touristes venant au ViêtNam ayant augmenté: Philippines : 46.8 % Finlande : 44.1 % Norgège : 36 % Suède : 30.3 % Singapour : 21.5 % Chine : 21 % Laos : 19.6 % Thailande : 17.5 % Malaisie : 16.5 % Australie : 9 % Nouvelle Zélande : 7.2 % Russie : 6.3 % Etats-Unis : 6 %
Etc ...
Classement par pays de provenance parmi les pays ayant le nombre de touristes venant au ViêtNam ayant diminué: Belgique : 12.6 % Espagne : 8.6 % Italie : 8.0 % Cambodge : 7.5 % Suisse : 5.8 % Danemark : 3.2 % Pays - Bas : 2.8 % France : 2.7 % Japon : 2.6 % Hong Kong : 1.5 % Corée du Sud : 0.7 % Canada : 0.3 %
J'ai plein de chiffres concernant le ViêtNam, mais difficile de faire une analyse objective🙂
Durant les 9 premiers mois de 2008: Il n'y a que 5.9 % d'augmentations du nombre de touristes Il y a plus de 700 % d'augmentations de touristes venant par voie maritime (les touristes richissimes américains et japonais débarquant à Danang sur des bateaux de croisière luxueuse). Il n'y a pas de crise pour les riches! Par voie routière, il y a 28 % d'augmentation Les touristes venant à partir du Cambodge ont baissé de 7, 5 %, alors que les touristes ont augmenté de 19.6%, venant du Laos et de 17.5% venant de Thailande
Classement par pays de provenance parmi les pays ayant le nombre de touristes venant au ViêtNam ayant augmenté: Philippines : 46.8 % Finlande : 44.1 % Norgège : 36 % Suède : 30.3 % Singapour : 21.5 % Chine : 21 % Laos : 19.6 % Thailande : 17.5 % Malaisie : 16.5 % Australie : 9 % Nouvelle Zélande : 7.2 % Russie : 6.3 % Etats-Unis : 6 %
Etc ...
Classement par pays de provenance parmi les pays ayant le nombre de touristes venant au ViêtNam ayant diminué: Belgique : 12.6 % Espagne : 8.6 % Italie : 8.0 % Cambodge : 7.5 % Suisse : 5.8 % Danemark : 3.2 % Pays - Bas : 2.8 % France : 2.7 % Japon : 2.6 % Hong Kong : 1.5 % Corée du Sud : 0.7 % Canada : 0.3 %
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Bonsoir Abalone🙂,
Vos chiffres sont très intéressants parce qu'ils sont, par définition, une comparaison (même si elle n'est pas raison) avec le vécu.
Ces chiffres concernent les 3 premiers trimestres de l'année.
Vu les pays desquels les visiteurs au Vietnam sont en baisse, je reste dans l''idée que la crise internationale a provoqué un choix que les citoyens de ses pays doivent faire et que malheureusement c'est le choix des vacances qui en pâtit.
Ma théorie s'écroule lorsque l'on constate que les ressortissants américains visitant le Vietnam ont augmentés de 6 %... Sauf si l'augmentation était très forte jusqu'au mois de mai et que depuis elle s'effondre à l'instar des indices boursiers...
Par contre, c'est intéressant de constater que les visiteurs thaïlandais sont en augmentation alors que ceux en provenance du Cambodge diminuent. Est-ce que cela veut dire que la tension aux frontières des deux pays n'a aucune incidence ? Pourquoi un plus et l'autre moins ?
Merci pour ces chiffres qu'il serait intéressant de connaître également au Cambodge et en Thaïlande...
Cordialement, Ugolin70
Vos chiffres sont très intéressants parce qu'ils sont, par définition, une comparaison (même si elle n'est pas raison) avec le vécu.
Ces chiffres concernent les 3 premiers trimestres de l'année.
Vu les pays desquels les visiteurs au Vietnam sont en baisse, je reste dans l''idée que la crise internationale a provoqué un choix que les citoyens de ses pays doivent faire et que malheureusement c'est le choix des vacances qui en pâtit.
Ma théorie s'écroule lorsque l'on constate que les ressortissants américains visitant le Vietnam ont augmentés de 6 %... Sauf si l'augmentation était très forte jusqu'au mois de mai et que depuis elle s'effondre à l'instar des indices boursiers...
Par contre, c'est intéressant de constater que les visiteurs thaïlandais sont en augmentation alors que ceux en provenance du Cambodge diminuent. Est-ce que cela veut dire que la tension aux frontières des deux pays n'a aucune incidence ? Pourquoi un plus et l'autre moins ?
Merci pour ces chiffres qu'il serait intéressant de connaître également au Cambodge et en Thaïlande...
Cordialement, Ugolin70
que veux tu les gens sont tellement influençés et manipulés par les médias. Il suffit de voir que 9 millinns de francais regardaient TF1 à 20H00. Pourquoi ? ils le savent pas. Autre remarque : Comment comprendre que TF1 cette TV de merde est N°1 presque a tous les coups et chaque soir. Enfin c'est une petite gueulante qui ne sert à rein, mais cela fait du bien :)
merci pour ta réponse.
Il est vrai que la constatation n'avait pas un air alarmant, mais ils donnaient l'explication du fait du problème à la frontière. il se peut que cela est un incident même s'ils sont en low saison.
Il est vrai que la constatation n'avait pas un air alarmant, mais ils donnaient l'explication du fait du problème à la frontière. il se peut que cela est un incident même s'ils sont en low saison.
Bonjour Abalone,
Intérressant tes indications, meme si en parallèle, il faudrait le nombre de touristes...
Il faudra attendre, les deux prochains trimestres, pour voir d'éventuelles conséquences de la récession...Pat faisait part du sentiment des locaux, il y a quelques jours qui semblait aller dans le meme sens que celui des constats sur SR .. Bravo au sérieux du ministère du tourisme! (je n'en doutais pas)
Bonne journée...
Intérressant tes indications, meme si en parallèle, il faudrait le nombre de touristes...
Il faudra attendre, les deux prochains trimestres, pour voir d'éventuelles conséquences de la récession...Pat faisait part du sentiment des locaux, il y a quelques jours qui semblait aller dans le meme sens que celui des constats sur SR .. Bravo au sérieux du ministère du tourisme! (je n'en doutais pas)
Bonne journée...
Roger
La crise se fait bien evidemment déjà sentir comme partout dans le monde et 2009 sera catastrophique dans le milieu du tourisme mondial
source des chiffres ci dessous http://www.vietnamtourism.com/f_pages/news/index.asp
Le nombre de visiteurs étrangers au Vietnam dans le neuf premier mois de l’année 2007
En septembre 2007, le nombre de visiteurs étrangers au Vietnam est de 358 000 personnes. Le total de neuf premiers mois de l’année 2007, ce nombre atteint environ 3 171 763 visiteurs étrangers, soit une augmentation de 18, 5% par rapport à la même période de 2006.
et entre 2007 et 2008 l augmentation n'est que de 5.9 %
source des chiffres ci dessous http://www.vietnamtourism.com/f_pages/news/index.asp
Le nombre de visiteurs étrangers au Vietnam dans le neuf premier mois de l’année 2007
En septembre 2007, le nombre de visiteurs étrangers au Vietnam est de 358 000 personnes. Le total de neuf premiers mois de l’année 2007, ce nombre atteint environ 3 171 763 visiteurs étrangers, soit une augmentation de 18, 5% par rapport à la même période de 2006.
et entre 2007 et 2008 l augmentation n'est que de 5.9 %
pour les touristes des Etats-Unis et en nombre de visiteurs au Vietnam
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2008 332 762
sur le mois de septembre 2008 27 215
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2007 323 758
sur le mois de septembre 2007 32 889
on constate que le debut de l'année 2008 a surement été bien fréquenté, alors qu le declin en septembre 2008 est bien visible en comparaison à 2007.
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2008 332 762
sur le mois de septembre 2008 27 215
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2007 323 758
sur le mois de septembre 2007 32 889
on constate que le debut de l'année 2008 a surement été bien fréquenté, alors qu le declin en septembre 2008 est bien visible en comparaison à 2007.
Ma théorie s'écroule lorsque l'on constate que les ressortissants américains visitant le Vietnam ont augmentés de 6 %... Sauf si l'augmentation était très forte jusqu'au mois de mai et que depuis elle s'effondre à l'instar des indices boursiers...
L'augmentation des ressortissants américains pour les 5 premiers mois étaient de 7.8 %. Par rapport au chiffre des premiers mois, il y a une petite baisse de 1.8 %.
Il y a une baisse relative durant le 3ème trimestre concernant de nombreux pays.
Les résultats ci-dessous concernent les pays dont la baisse a été constatée dans les 9 premiers mois. Certains pays passent du positif au négatif comme l'Italie, la Suisse, le Pays - Bas, La France et Hong Kong.
- Belgique : (9 Premiers mois : 12.6 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 4.3 %) Espagne : (9 Premiers mois : 08.6 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 7.6 %) - Italie : (9 Premiers mois : 08.0 % ) - (5 Premiers mois : + 3 %) - Cambodge : (9 Premiers mois : 7.5 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 4.7 %) - Suisse : (9 Premiers mois :5.8 % ) - (5 Premiers mois : + 2.2 %) - Danemark : (9 Premiers mois :3.2 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 0.1 %) - Pays - Bas : (9 Premiers mois :2.8 %) - (5 Premiers mois : + 5 %) - France : (9 Premiers mois : 2.7 %) - (5 Premiers mois : +9.5 %) - Japon : (9 Premiers mois : 2.6 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 4.9 %) - Hong Kong : (9 Premiers mois : 1.5 %) - (5 Premiers mois : +24.8 %) - Corée du Sud : (9 Premiers mois : 0.7 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 0.6 %) - Canada : (9 Premiers mois : 0.3 %) - (9 Premiers mois : 3.9 %)
Et maintenant, les chiffres concernant les pays en hausse: le premier chiffre représente le taux des premiers mois, et le deuxième concerne le taux des 5 premiers. Certains pays continuent d'avoir des chiffres en hausse (Phililippines, Finlande, Singapour, Australie), donc la crise ils ne la connaissent pas.
On constate une forte baisse de touristes venant de Thailande
- Philippines : 46.8 % - 41.8 % Finlande : 44.1 % - 41.3 % Norgège : 36 % - 16 % Suède : 30.3 % - 46.1 % Singapour : 21.5 % - 24.4 % Chine : 21 % - 53.8 % Laos : 19.6 % - 21.7 % Thailande : 17.5 % - 31.9 % Malaisie : 16.5 % - 16.9 % Australie : 9 % - 8 % Nvelle Zélande : 7.2 % - 8.3 % Russie : 6.3 % - 7.6 %
Enfin pour répondre à Roger, le volume des touristes est un chiffre intéressant pour les viêtnamiens seulement et n'est pas un chiffre très intéressant comparer des pays entre eux. Puisque la question est posée, les voici 2 078 954 de visiteurs durant les 5 premiers mois (+16.6 %) et 3 327 710 visiteurs (+ 5.8 %). On attend environ 5 Millions de touristes à la fin de l'année, puisque la haute saison concerne le dernier trimestre (beaucoup de promotions faites par les tour opérators).
Et puis le visa, ça ne sert pas uniquement à encaisser des devises. ça paie aussi les fonctionnaires qui collectent des données.
Je vous laisse maintenant le soin de tirer vos conclusions. la crise semble toucher beaucoup plus l'Europe que l'Asie ou l'Amérique les troubles à Bangkok expliquent elles la baisse de touristes thailandais? la chute du chiffre des Chinois peut être expliquée par les Jeux Olympiques de Pékin?
L'augmentation des ressortissants américains pour les 5 premiers mois étaient de 7.8 %. Par rapport au chiffre des premiers mois, il y a une petite baisse de 1.8 %.
Il y a une baisse relative durant le 3ème trimestre concernant de nombreux pays.
Les résultats ci-dessous concernent les pays dont la baisse a été constatée dans les 9 premiers mois. Certains pays passent du positif au négatif comme l'Italie, la Suisse, le Pays - Bas, La France et Hong Kong.
- Belgique : (9 Premiers mois : 12.6 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 4.3 %) Espagne : (9 Premiers mois : 08.6 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 7.6 %) - Italie : (9 Premiers mois : 08.0 % ) - (5 Premiers mois : + 3 %) - Cambodge : (9 Premiers mois : 7.5 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 4.7 %) - Suisse : (9 Premiers mois :5.8 % ) - (5 Premiers mois : + 2.2 %) - Danemark : (9 Premiers mois :3.2 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 0.1 %) - Pays - Bas : (9 Premiers mois :2.8 %) - (5 Premiers mois : + 5 %) - France : (9 Premiers mois : 2.7 %) - (5 Premiers mois : +9.5 %) - Japon : (9 Premiers mois : 2.6 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 4.9 %) - Hong Kong : (9 Premiers mois : 1.5 %) - (5 Premiers mois : +24.8 %) - Corée du Sud : (9 Premiers mois : 0.7 %) - (5 Premiers mois : 0.6 %) - Canada : (9 Premiers mois : 0.3 %) - (9 Premiers mois : 3.9 %)
Et maintenant, les chiffres concernant les pays en hausse: le premier chiffre représente le taux des premiers mois, et le deuxième concerne le taux des 5 premiers. Certains pays continuent d'avoir des chiffres en hausse (Phililippines, Finlande, Singapour, Australie), donc la crise ils ne la connaissent pas.
On constate une forte baisse de touristes venant de Thailande
- Philippines : 46.8 % - 41.8 % Finlande : 44.1 % - 41.3 % Norgège : 36 % - 16 % Suède : 30.3 % - 46.1 % Singapour : 21.5 % - 24.4 % Chine : 21 % - 53.8 % Laos : 19.6 % - 21.7 % Thailande : 17.5 % - 31.9 % Malaisie : 16.5 % - 16.9 % Australie : 9 % - 8 % Nvelle Zélande : 7.2 % - 8.3 % Russie : 6.3 % - 7.6 %
Enfin pour répondre à Roger, le volume des touristes est un chiffre intéressant pour les viêtnamiens seulement et n'est pas un chiffre très intéressant comparer des pays entre eux. Puisque la question est posée, les voici 2 078 954 de visiteurs durant les 5 premiers mois (+16.6 %) et 3 327 710 visiteurs (+ 5.8 %). On attend environ 5 Millions de touristes à la fin de l'année, puisque la haute saison concerne le dernier trimestre (beaucoup de promotions faites par les tour opérators).
Et puis le visa, ça ne sert pas uniquement à encaisser des devises. ça paie aussi les fonctionnaires qui collectent des données.
Je vous laisse maintenant le soin de tirer vos conclusions. la crise semble toucher beaucoup plus l'Europe que l'Asie ou l'Amérique les troubles à Bangkok expliquent elles la baisse de touristes thailandais? la chute du chiffre des Chinois peut être expliquée par les Jeux Olympiques de Pékin?
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Au Vietnam, en nombre de visiteurs le plus important pays représenté est la Chine, et que constate t on à travers les chiffres
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2008 509 479
sur le mois de septembre 2008 45 695
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2007 422 957
sur le mois de septembre 2007 49 080
le meme constat que pour les Etats Unis, le declin du tourisme en septembre 2008 en comparaison à septembre 2007 (alors que le debut de l'année est en nette progression, l effet de la crise commence a se faire sentir avec une baisse de frequentation de 10% sur septembre pour la clientele chinoise)
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2008 509 479
sur le mois de septembre 2008 45 695
sur les 9 premiers mois de 2007 422 957
sur le mois de septembre 2007 49 080
le meme constat que pour les Etats Unis, le declin du tourisme en septembre 2008 en comparaison à septembre 2007 (alors que le debut de l'année est en nette progression, l effet de la crise commence a se faire sentir avec une baisse de frequentation de 10% sur septembre pour la clientele chinoise)
Si abalone, pour le raisonnement, un pourcentage en soit ne veut rien dire .. Un entrepeneur Inoiut est venu en 2007, et il a voyagé seul, il est revenu en 2008 avec sa femme et ses 4 enfants = augmentation de 600 pour cent !😉
"Enfin pour répondre à Roger, le volume des touristes est un chiffre intéressant pour les viêtnamiens seulement et n'est pas un chiffre très intéressant"
"Certains pays continuent d'avoir des chiffres en hausse (Phililippines, Finlande, Singapour, Australie), donc la crise ils ne la connaissent pas."
Sur ce type de pays la variation des pourcentages est assez aléatoire me semble t il car les touristes ne pèsent guère numériquement parlant...C'est le problème de l'ecart type en math ...Bon, po gave...Je ne voulais pas comparer, juste affiner, merci ...
"Enfin pour répondre à Roger, le volume des touristes est un chiffre intéressant pour les viêtnamiens seulement et n'est pas un chiffre très intéressant"
"Certains pays continuent d'avoir des chiffres en hausse (Phililippines, Finlande, Singapour, Australie), donc la crise ils ne la connaissent pas."
Sur ce type de pays la variation des pourcentages est assez aléatoire me semble t il car les touristes ne pèsent guère numériquement parlant...C'est le problème de l'ecart type en math ...Bon, po gave...Je ne voulais pas comparer, juste affiner, merci ...
Roger
les touristes ne pèsent guère numériquement parlant
L'Australie et Singapour représentent quand même un gros bataillon avec respectivement 181 616 et 115 862 visiteurs.
L'Australie et Singapour représentent quand même un gros bataillon avec respectivement 181 616 et 115 862 visiteurs.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Vietnam :
358 000 visiteurs en septembre 2007 315 000 en septembre 2008
c'est plus de 10% de visiteurs en moins sur une meme periode ... c est le debut de la crise mondiale, et comme toujours c est un des premiers secteurs les plus touchés. et ce n'est qu'un debut, les bourses dans le monde ont commencé reelement à degringoler qu'en septembre. l'horizon est sombre jusqu'en 2011.
358 000 visiteurs en septembre 2007 315 000 en septembre 2008
c'est plus de 10% de visiteurs en moins sur une meme periode ... c est le debut de la crise mondiale, et comme toujours c est un des premiers secteurs les plus touchés. et ce n'est qu'un debut, les bourses dans le monde ont commencé reelement à degringoler qu'en septembre. l'horizon est sombre jusqu'en 2011.
Une info assez complète au jour le jour sur ce site pour se faire une idée...
http://www.cambodgesoir.info/
Je peux dire qu'après plusieurs mois passés au Cambodge (je m'y trouve encore pour quelques temps) les touristes continuent d'affluer.
Des rencontres ont eu lieu hier à Pekin pour trouver des solutions. Bien sur en ce moment il ne faut pas ''trainer'' sur la frontière vers le temple de Preha veahear, la situation est tendue.
Passez plutôt par Singapour ou Saigon, Kuala Lumpour ou Hong Kong pour éviter Bangkok, on ne sait jamais car ils pouraient éventuellement bloquer l'aéroport, mais c'est un autre pb que celui du temple. C'est ce que j'ai conseillé à mes amis qui viennent au Cambodge en début du mois prochain.
Bon voyage
http://www.cambodgesoir.info/
Je peux dire qu'après plusieurs mois passés au Cambodge (je m'y trouve encore pour quelques temps) les touristes continuent d'affluer.
Des rencontres ont eu lieu hier à Pekin pour trouver des solutions. Bien sur en ce moment il ne faut pas ''trainer'' sur la frontière vers le temple de Preha veahear, la situation est tendue.
Passez plutôt par Singapour ou Saigon, Kuala Lumpour ou Hong Kong pour éviter Bangkok, on ne sait jamais car ils pouraient éventuellement bloquer l'aéroport, mais c'est un autre pb que celui du temple. C'est ce que j'ai conseillé à mes amis qui viennent au Cambodge en début du mois prochain.
Bon voyage
Bonjour.
Comme le disait Robert, le prix du billet d'avion peut-être parfois dissuasif par temps de crise. Quand on achète son billet, en pleine hausse du baril de pétrole, ça fait mal au porte-monnaie 🙁. En ce qui concerne les " infos " sur TF1... pas sûr que ce soit la chaîne préférée de ceux qui s'intéressent au reste du monde ! TF1 sort rarement le bout de son nez au-delà de l'hexagone...et des faits divers... quand elle ne ressort pas des reportages vieux de plusieurs années ! Pas rien les 9 millions de Français ..
Comme le disait Robert, le prix du billet d'avion peut-être parfois dissuasif par temps de crise. Quand on achète son billet, en pleine hausse du baril de pétrole, ça fait mal au porte-monnaie 🙁. En ce qui concerne les " infos " sur TF1... pas sûr que ce soit la chaîne préférée de ceux qui s'intéressent au reste du monde ! TF1 sort rarement le bout de son nez au-delà de l'hexagone...et des faits divers... quand elle ne ressort pas des reportages vieux de plusieurs années ! Pas rien les 9 millions de Français ..
Marie.
Il n'est rien de plus beau que l'instant qui précède le voyage.
serait interessant d'avoir les chiffres cambodgiens sur le tourisme .
sur sr, les gros bataillons sont le trio japon-corée-chine, qui ne devraient pas trop chuter.
l'incertitude concernant la thailande (situation et crainte de blocage des aeroports ) va jouer un peu dans la mesure ou une partie des touristes en thailande, faisait un saut au cambodge.
l'occasion de rappeler que bangkok n'est pas la seule porte vers le cambodge coté aerien.
ce n'est parfois pas plus cher de passer par kl, hong kong...
d'un autre coté, la baisse du cout du petrole va diminuer serieusement la surchage fuel des billlets, et on va assister a une baisse du prix des billets
d'une façon generale le tourisme sera touché par la crise, faut pas s'illusionner, et il y aura de la surenchere de cetains pays pour essayer d'atttirer les touristes et suis pas sur que le cambodge sois le mieux place. je pense en particuliers aux touristes qui sortent du circuit angkor -phnom penh et qui sont un apport de devises pour les autres villes et villages.
Moins de touristes au Cambodge ? Ca c'est vrai.Je vis a Siem Reap et c'est beaucoup plus calme que l'annee derniere.Pourquoi ? Bien malin celui qui pourra me donner une raison !! La conjoncture mondiale ? Le rapport euro-dollar ? ( 1, 23 aujourd'hui contre 1, 60 en Juin ). Les problemes a la frontiere ? Les soucis a Bangkok ? Qu'importe, le resultat est la, moins de touristes.
[(je remarque egalement le nbre de questions du genre "Est-il dangereux de voyager en Thailande ces temps-ci?"). Les journaleux: A FUSILLER!!!!!! ]
Bonjour,
Je voudrais juste répondre à cette remarque. Je fais partie des personnes qui ont lancé un poste à ce sujet sur VF. Je ne pense pas être une abrutie au contraire, en posant cette question, justement je m'informe et je vérifie les informations que l'on reçoit dans les médias auprès de personnes du forum qui sont sur place et qui connaissent réellement la situation. Je ne suis pas bêtement les infos. De plus, dans le cas présent il y a beaucoup de messages rassurants ce qui ne peut qu'être positif pour le tourisme au Cambodge. En tout cas, moi je viendrai peupler les ruines d'angkor dans 2 semaines ;-)
Bonjour,
Je voudrais juste répondre à cette remarque. Je fais partie des personnes qui ont lancé un poste à ce sujet sur VF. Je ne pense pas être une abrutie au contraire, en posant cette question, justement je m'informe et je vérifie les informations que l'on reçoit dans les médias auprès de personnes du forum qui sont sur place et qui connaissent réellement la situation. Je ne suis pas bêtement les infos. De plus, dans le cas présent il y a beaucoup de messages rassurants ce qui ne peut qu'être positif pour le tourisme au Cambodge. En tout cas, moi je viendrai peupler les ruines d'angkor dans 2 semaines ;-)
et l'avantage d'une baisse de frequentation est, que pour vous les touristes, que la visite des temples est beaucoup plus agreable, car moins de monde sur les sites les plus courrus ( Angkor Wat, Ta Prohm...).Bon, pour nous commercants, c'est moins drole !! Le bonheur des uns fait...etc...etc...Mais venez a Siem Reap, les temples sont extraordinaires.😉
Bonjour
J'ai du mal a comprendre votre message. Je n'ai jamais pense que vs etiez une "abrutie". Ma remarque visait les journalistes et autres responsables d'informations de "Sang a la Une", y compris un certain nombre de VF qui se font un plaisir d'annoncer les mauvaises nouvelles sans signaler qu'elles ne couvrent qu'un territoire tres restreint et/ou un tout petit nombre de personnes, et, en consequence, ne devraient pas inquieter le moins du monde les touristes si elles etaient placees dans leur contexte bien precis, comme, par exemple: "2 morts et 400 blesses a Bangkok hier soir, MAIS dans le quartier des administrations, donc vous n'avez rien a craindre")
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Oui SIV, tu avais mal compris ...
Que quelqu'un qui ne connait pas interroge ...quoi de plus normal ?
Ce message, meme si il reprenait ta question, ne t'était pas adressé ...Pour ma part, mais il faut pratiquer le forum depuis un certain temps pour s'en rendre compte, je vois bien qui était visé par les propos de Larsay...
Certains sont des spécialstes de la désinformation...et ceci dans le seul but d'une valorisation égotique ...ce sont sur les forum les plus dangereux car celui qui ne sait pas, peut se laisser pieger à la pure rhetorique...la question qui se pose alors est faut il leur répondre? Et donc répondre aussi au type de question que tu as posé...A chacun de voir ...
Pour ma part, j'ai toujours essayé de dire qu'il n'y a pas, pour le moment, au Cambodge de problèmes qui justifierait de ne pas s'y rendre. Et j'ai toujours parlé d'escarmouches ...
Une autre chose est de chercher à comprendre une "possible" baisse d'un recul du tourisme...
Pour l'instant, je te souhaite un BON VOYAGE et rapelle qu'il n'y a pas plus de danger actuellement au Cambodge que hier...Rester prudent quant aux conditions de transport est à mon avis le seul conseil qui mérite d'etre donné.
Cordialement
Que quelqu'un qui ne connait pas interroge ...quoi de plus normal ?
Ce message, meme si il reprenait ta question, ne t'était pas adressé ...Pour ma part, mais il faut pratiquer le forum depuis un certain temps pour s'en rendre compte, je vois bien qui était visé par les propos de Larsay...
Certains sont des spécialstes de la désinformation...et ceci dans le seul but d'une valorisation égotique ...ce sont sur les forum les plus dangereux car celui qui ne sait pas, peut se laisser pieger à la pure rhetorique...la question qui se pose alors est faut il leur répondre? Et donc répondre aussi au type de question que tu as posé...A chacun de voir ...
Pour ma part, j'ai toujours essayé de dire qu'il n'y a pas, pour le moment, au Cambodge de problèmes qui justifierait de ne pas s'y rendre. Et j'ai toujours parlé d'escarmouches ...
Une autre chose est de chercher à comprendre une "possible" baisse d'un recul du tourisme...
Pour l'instant, je te souhaite un BON VOYAGE et rapelle qu'il n'y a pas plus de danger actuellement au Cambodge que hier...Rester prudent quant aux conditions de transport est à mon avis le seul conseil qui mérite d'etre donné.
Cordialement
Roger
dans la continuite de la discussion,
en octobre 2008 296 742 visiteurs etrangers au vietnam
en ocobre 2007 332 762
ça fait une baisse de 10% pour une meme periode de l'annee.
sur les 10 premiers mois de 2007, il y a une croissance de pres de 18% de touriste par rapport à 2006 sur les 10 premiers mois de 2008, il y a une croissance de seulement 3, 5% de touriste par rapport à 2007
source
http://www.vietnamtourism.com/f_pages/news/index.asp?loai=1&chucnang=07
ça fait une baisse de 10% pour une meme periode de l'annee.
sur les 10 premiers mois de 2007, il y a une croissance de pres de 18% de touriste par rapport à 2006 sur les 10 premiers mois de 2008, il y a une croissance de seulement 3, 5% de touriste par rapport à 2007
source
http://www.vietnamtourism.com/f_pages/news/index.asp?loai=1&chucnang=07
😉 c'est un effet de la mousson !
Dommage qu'on est rien comme chiffre pour le Cambodge mais on peut penser que c'est du meme ordre qu'au Vietnam !
Maintenant que personne ne peut nier la récession, il faut voir de quelle manière elle va modifier les aspects de consommations ... Bien malin qui peut le dire ...
A+ CDL!
C'etait en reponse à:
En octobre 2008 296 742 visiteurs etrangers au vietnam en ocobre 2007 332 762
ça fait une baisse de 10% pour une meme periode de l'annee.
Modifié après ta reponse ...pour la comprehension de ce que j'ai dit!🤪
Dommage qu'on est rien comme chiffre pour le Cambodge mais on peut penser que c'est du meme ordre qu'au Vietnam !
Maintenant que personne ne peut nier la récession, il faut voir de quelle manière elle va modifier les aspects de consommations ... Bien malin qui peut le dire ...
A+ CDL!
C'etait en reponse à:
En octobre 2008 296 742 visiteurs etrangers au vietnam en ocobre 2007 332 762
ça fait une baisse de 10% pour une meme periode de l'annee.
Modifié après ta reponse ...pour la comprehension de ce que j'ai dit!🤪
Roger
😉 c'est un effet de la mousson !
c'est exactement les memes periodes de comparaison (octobre & de janv à oct)
on constate une baisse tres significative, et le debut de la crise en europe/asie ne se fait sentir reelement qu'à partir de mi-sept.
l hiver risque d etre tres chaud !
c'est exactement les memes periodes de comparaison (octobre & de janv à oct)
on constate une baisse tres significative, et le debut de la crise en europe/asie ne se fait sentir reelement qu'à partir de mi-sept.
l hiver risque d etre tres chaud !
Oui Flip Flop ...tu sais que je sais lire !😏😏😏
Cette année la mousson a été particulièrement rude et longue ...vu l'etat des routes au Cambodge et la pluviométrie au Vietnam... celà peut jouer ...
Il est possible que les couches moyennes occidentales qui se saignaient aux quatre veines pour une tite accession à la propriété laisse pisser et choisisse de profiter de la vie et donc des voyages pourquoi pas ? Les modes de conso ne sont pas éternels!😉
Tu vois "rapidement" une évolution possible ..mais ce ne sera pas en direction du tourisme de luxe ...ca c'est clair !😛
A suivre ...
Cette année la mousson a été particulièrement rude et longue ...vu l'etat des routes au Cambodge et la pluviométrie au Vietnam... celà peut jouer ...
Il est possible que les couches moyennes occidentales qui se saignaient aux quatre veines pour une tite accession à la propriété laisse pisser et choisisse de profiter de la vie et donc des voyages pourquoi pas ? Les modes de conso ne sont pas éternels!😉
Tu vois "rapidement" une évolution possible ..mais ce ne sera pas en direction du tourisme de luxe ...ca c'est clair !😛
A suivre ...
Roger
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We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.