Samedi prochain (23/01/10), je me rends à Dublin avec Ryanair, en partant donc de Beauvais. J'ai pris connaissance de l'existence du parking de l'aéroport qui coûte, pour la journée, environ 20€. Pour garantir un voyage qui resterait à moindre coût, je vous pose cette question :
Y a t-il, à proximité de l'aéroport sus-nommé, un endroit où l'on peut se garer gratuitement ?
Sinon, j'ai vu qu'il y avait un parking Vinci en centre-ville mais il ouvre à 8h et mon vol est à 9h25 ... J'imagine qu'il n'y a donc pas de solution de ce côté-là ... si ?
Je pars pour une seule journée, histoire de découvrir la ville !
En fait, garer la voiture me coute aussi cher que de voler vers Dublin.
Merci pour votre réponse en tout cas !
Je me suis rendu en Irlande le mois dernier en prenant mon vol à partir Beauvais-Tillé.
Il est important de noter que l'aéroport n'est pas à Beauvais mais au Tillé.
Les possibilités de stationnement sont les suivantes :
- Parking aéroport : solution la plus simple mais aussi la plus chère
- Parking à Beauvais Vinci : 6€ les 24h + navette pour se rendre à l'aéroport ou à pieds
- Parking dans la rue (Beauvais) : gratuit et légal + navette ou à pieds
J'ai opté pour la dernière solution.
Attention à ne surtout pas stationner la voiture dans la ville de Tillé, vous risqueriez de devoir la récupérer à la fourrière.
C'est la solution (la dernière) que j'aurais opté mais je me demande si les navettes allant à l'aéroport fonctionnent dès 7h du matin, à quel prix elles sont et où faut-il les prendre ?
Sinon, j'ai vu qu'il y avait environ 45min/1h de marche à pied pour rejoindre l'aéroport ... 🤪
Merci de votre réponse !
Pour les navettes, je ne saurai pas trop répondre vu que je ne me suis pas trop penché sur la question. Il me semble que ça coûte environ 5€ aller /retour. Il doit sûrement y avoir des infos sur le site de l'aéroport.
On avait mis environ 30/40 minutes entre le lieu de stationnement et l'aéroport en marchant. C'est sûr que c'est pas à côté mais on était plusieurs, du coup marcher en discutant ça fait passer le temps !
Oui j'avais vu ce bus, mais 28€ A/R ... c'est cher ! Nous sommes 4 et la voiture nous revient moins cher (ce qui est honteux à l'heure où l'écologie devrait être valorisée ... mais enfin bref, c'est un autre débat).
Nous essaierons donc de nous garer à Beauvais, et s'il faut marcher un peu ... eh bien ! ce sera un entraînement pour ce qui nous attendra à Dublin !
Merci pour vos réponses, j'y vois désormais un peu plus clair !
On était 4 aussi et c'est bien la solution la moins chère (16€ de carburant aller-retour Paris-Beauvais soit 4€ aller-retour par personne !).
Faut juste penser à regarder le plan de la ville avant de partir pour ne pas stationner très loin et devoir marcher 2 heures au lieu d'une demi heure !
........si tu pars qu'une journée, tu peux tenter de te garer à Tillé : perso je l'ai fait plein de fois (mais pas dernièrement), parfois plusieurs jours, avec une vielle caisse, jamais aucun problème.........
Je confirme qu'on peut se garer gratuitement dans la rue à Beauvais. Pour ma part je me suis mis rue d'Amiens (c'est juste au nord du gros carrefour où à peu près tout le monde passe pour traverser la ville), c'est la rue qui part vers l'aéroport (et vers Amiens forcément). C'est une avenue large et il y a plein de places. Je ne crois pas que ça craigne spécialement, c'est assez résidentiel semble-t-il, en haut de la rue il y a une zone un peu commerciale et après la rue part tout droit et file entre les champs, l'aéroport est à 3 km. En tout cas il n'est rien arrivé à ma voiture (je l'ai laissée 3 nuits de week-end).
POur aller à l'aéroport on peut prendre le bus (c'est son trajet, il y a des arrêts) mais à pied j'ai mis 30 mn, en marchant d'un bon pas, mais cela me paraît difficile de mettre plus de 45 mn en tout cas...
(C'est une assez mauvaise nouvelle, je l'accorde, pour les entreprises privées type parking ou autres qui seraient tentées d'utiliser ce site pour se faire connaître...) Mais ceux qui ont envie peuvent payer une place de parking. C'est peut-être plus sûr, encore que.
8 messages (dont celui-ci en "déterrant" un sujet de 2010 😕) renvoyant à chaque fois vers le même fournisseur de services, ça sent la pub pour un site marchant 😠
FreddyDu n'est en rien un internaute mais une société basée à Madagascar dont le travail est de créer des profils bidons, puis de poster des messages ici et là sur les forums vantant les mérites de leurs clients (ou au contraire dénigrant la concurrence). C'est une pratique malheureusement de plus en plus courante sur le web.
En attendant, on a évidemment fermé le compte et supprimé la prose de Freddy.
Pensant bien faire, lors de ma réservation de billets d'avion Ryanair, j'ai réservé une place de parking. Pour être tranquille. Mal m'en a pris!
Je suis resté trois semaines sans aucune nouvelle et à force de relances chronophages, j'ai eu un retour de la société ayant traité ma demande, à 48h00 du décollage.
Je découvre alors que le parking n'est pas à l'aéroport mais dans une zone de stockage de véhicule à 5.5km !
Les contraintes d'identification du véhicule, de l'horaire d'arrivée, de réservation de la navette aéroport et d'heure limite de dépôt du véhicule sont drastiques.
Fait-on une économie? Même pas! Ce parking compliqué et lointain coûte 3e de moins par jour qu'un parking longue durée en bout de piste.
Mon conseil: Fuyez cette offre commerciale basée sur un abus de confiance car on n'est pas prévenu avant d'avoir payé que le parking est au diable vauvert accessible, sous moult contraintes, par navette.
Pour ma part je voyage très régulièrement au départ de Beauvais-Tillé, et je me gare, comme évoqué plus haut, dans la ville de Beauvais sur une place gratuite.
Le stationnement payant de l'aéroport est une véritable arnaque, un tel tarif ne se justifiant pas pour se garer en plein champ en Picardie, surtout en comparaison des faibles tarifs pratiqués par les compagnies aériennes (mais il faut bien que les collectivités trouvent l'argent quelque part pour financer Ryanair...). Quant au village de Tillé, le stationnement y est limité à 24 h, et entre le risque de fourrière... et celui de dégradation volontaire de la part des riverains (cherchez quelques témoignages sur le net), mieux vaut éviter.
De Beauvais, soit je marche en fonction des horaires et de la météo, 2 km à pied jusqu'à l'aéroport, soit je prends le bus urbain Corolis, ligne 12 qui circule toutes les 30 à 45 mn environ (fiche horaire sur le web). 1 € le trajet en journée (il y a une carte 10 trajets à 6 €), mais tarif spécial à 4 € après 20 h ou le dimanche...
Ou à défaut, la ligne 30, car SNCF TER Picardie qui relie Beauvais à Amiens via l'aéroport de Tillé. Cela coûte 1,90 €, mais le car a l'avantage de combler quelques trous dans l'horaire du bus, et surtout de passer jusqu'à 21 h 30 ou le dimanche au même tarif.
Jusqu'à maintenant, jamais de souci, même avec 8 jours de stationnement (la limite légale est de 7 jours...). Mais la dernière fois, sur l'avenue M. Dassault (qui mène du centre à Amiens et Tillé), j'ai eu le plaisir de retrouver ma voiture avec un rétro vandalisé... 😠
Les voyages à petit prix d'une souris en Europe (plus de 20.000 photos, des plans, conseils pratiques sur les transports, les formalités, les vols low cost, la location avec airbnb...)
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After a detour through the south of Lille (picking up our son), we head southwest around 10:00 AM, taking the highways via Amiens, the Pont de Normandie, and Avranches to arrive at "the Mount" around 4:00 PM after 515 km.
Parking P3 (14.20 € for 24 hours) for residents and hotels, located 50 meters from the start of the free round-trip shuttle included in the parking price (not too many tourists at this "late" Sunday hour), and we arrive at the hotel around 4:30 PM.
Triple room with a view of the bay at Hôtel Du Guesclin for 1 night.
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Dinner in the beautiful panoramic restaurant of the hotel, with a bay view at a "window" table (such a nice touch!).
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Day 02 from Mont Saint-Michel to Saint-Cast: Monday, September 7, 2020.
After a memorable sunrise over the bay and a sit-down breakfast, we climb the steps to the Abbey for our online-reserved time slot (9:30 AM, 11 € per person).
The "masked group" is quite large, though within normal limits, and the one-way Covid-marked route (with a small brochure) prevents crowds. No need to rush, and 1 hour 15 minutes later, we’re done. Sure, it doesn’t have the charm of a guided tour, but we’re not complaining about being there!
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After settling in, a short walk is a must up to the heights of the Isle neighborhood behind the seaside residence... memories. Strangely, the well-known Crêperie Bretan’Or seems to be closed, as does the venerable Hôtel du Centre et des Plages (formerly "des Voyageurs")??
And for this reunion evening with the resort, a great crêpe/galette dinner at La Régal’ette, just 100 meters away.
Day’s total: 12 km of walking for sightseeing.
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June 7
Flight arrival in Bastia and night at the hotel
June 8
Drive to Calvi (beach and/or fortress)
Meal at Les Boucaniers restaurant
Night in Calvi
June 9
Walk from Calvi fortress to Alga beach
Charcuterie platter at A Casetta Calvi
Night in Calvi
June 10
Drive from Calvi to Piana
Buvette du col de la Croix and visit the orientation table
Chemin des muletiers (Muleteers’ Path)
Or
Sentier de la source des roches bleues (Blue Rocks Spring Trail) counterclockwise
Or (less scenic) Tête du chien (Dog’s Head, starting at the parking lot)
Dinner at Épicerie Castellani in Piana
Night in Piana
June 11
Drive from Piana to Propriano
Arone beach and meal at Le Café de la plage
Drive along the coast, stopping wherever we like
Night in Propriano
June 12
Hike starting from Campomoro in the Jardin du Vent (Wind Garden), and visit the Genoese tower of Campomoro
Meal in Campomoro: restaurant Chez Pierre Paul U spuntinu
Night in Propriano
June 13
Around Propriano (avoid Capu Laurosu beach—sewage treatment plant...)
Night in Propriano
June 14
Drive from Propriano to Bastia airport
Meal at L’Éternisula in Zonza
Aiguilles de Bavella (Hole of the Bomb)
Night at the same hotel as arrival
