En parcourant le forum et les guides, je vois que dès que l'on veut faire quelque chose d'intéressant, il faut payer très cher. Je pense surtout aux parcs...
Peut-on profiter de ces régions pour 20$ par jour?
Quelles sont selon vous les budgets moyens pour ces pays (logement bon marché):
Afrique du sud, Namibie, Zambie, Malawi, Tanzanie, Kenya.
Pour la Namibie , difficile de donner un budget sans définir la durée et le style de voyage "intéressant" prévu, mais c' est vrai que c' est + cher par exemple que l' Ouest américain , ou même la Nlle Zélande autant que je m' en souvienne , et sans faire de folies .
En dehors du vol ( direct ou pas , ce n' est pas le même prix ) , les postes de dépenses onéreux sont le véhicule ( 4x4 campervan le + souvent ) , l' essence ( certains véhicules dépassent 15l/100km ; près de 640€ € pour 5300km en 23 jours pour nous , on est déjà à près de 30€/jour !) , l' entrée dans les Parcs ( on paie à chaque fois , contrairement au National Pass américain ) , les éventuelles activités proposées par des prestataires , certains lodges ou campsites biens situés .
La nourriture n' est pas trop chère , en particulier dans les restaurants . Une bonne bière fraiche , selon le volume couramment de 1 à 1,5€ ( à son cours d' avril ...) .
Franchement je ne connais guère de pays au monde que l'on puisse visiter pour 20$ par jour 😮 😮
Sans parler d'être très riche (j'aimerai bien) l'Afrique australe est effectivement pas très bon marché.
L'absence de transport en commun, notamment en Namibie en font des pays difficiles à visiter sans voiture
les hébergements les moins chers sont évidemment les campings (mini 8 €) mais 30 € à Etosha !!
l'entrée des parcs n'est pas excessive 8 € par jour à Etosha par exempe
Mais quand on met tout bout à bout, mieux vaut tabler sur un budget moyen de 100 € par jour (voiture, logement, essence, bouffe, visite..)
Ca dépend de la manière de voyager biensûr. AU Moyent Orient, en Asie centrale, en Inde et en Asie du sud est biensûr, on peut voyager dans de bonnes conditions pour 15-20$ par jours.
Tant mieux si c'est le transport qui coûte le plus cher, je pense être à vélo...
Ma question concernait surtout les parcs. Ca me semble hors de prix.
Tant mieux si c'est le transport qui coûte le plus cher, je pense être à vélo...
Il eut été intéressant de connaitre d' emblée ce détail pour répondre utilement ...
En 23 jours , on a croisé 4 ou 5 vélos . Une fois , par une chaleur d' enfer , 2 cyclistes avaient même tendu 2 hamacs sous quelques arbres épineux rabougris et s' y reposaient ...
Nous qui avions déjà bien chaud avec la clim' ... 🤪
Bonjour,
ce sera impossible de parcourir le Kenya, sutout les parcs/reserves et les distances a velo.Et budget de 20$ par jour peut jamais...vu que l'entree du parc va de 50 au 60$ pers et 50% aux enafants
Y a aussi les lodges.........Par contre j'ai bien des contactes locales, peut-etre que ca vous aiderez a organiser vos projets safarsi au meilleur prix....
les parcs ne peuvent pas se faire en vélo, pour des raisons évidentes de sécurité.
il faut donc obligatoirement passer par un organisme ou un lodge
et c'est vrai après que plus on monte plus c'est cher, les parcs d'Afrique de l'est notamment à 100 $ la journée
Testes l'Ouganda; celà semble bien moins onéreux que kenya/tanzanie au niveau parcs et facile de bouger en transports locaux.
Le malawi, de ce que j'en ai lu; on peut y voyager à petit budget.
Il y a un gars sur le forum qui a fait malawi et zambie en transports locaux et relatif petit budget; c'est "saint" je crois.
"MDA" sur le forum propose aussi des safaris très root en Tanzanie (région de kigoma à l'est) et loin des autoroutes touristiques.
Regardes aussi du côté du Burundi si les conditions de sécurité le permettent.
Autant l'Afrique en transport en commun; oui c'est à faire: mais l'Afrique à vélo je te le déconseille un peu; entre l'insécurité routière, la chaleur, l'absence d'infrastructures de secours et l'insécurité tout court dans certaines parties; sois prudent.
Pour Vinnylove; oui on peut vivre avec 20 dollars par jour dans plein de pays; j'en ai croisé; mais il faut accepter des conditions très root et quasi aucun confort.
Bon trip.
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Pour Vinnylove; oui on peut vivre avec 20 dollars par jour dans plein de pays; j'en ai croisé; mais il faut accepter des conditions très root et quasi aucun confort.
je n'en doute pas, j'ai assez parcourru le monde pour le savoir mais vivre et visiter c'est pas tout à fait la même chose...
je pensais surtout dans le cadre d'un voyage touristique avec visite de sites ou entrées de parcs en ce qui concerne l'Afrique... après bien sûr on peut traverser la terre entière et ne rien voir 😉
Et bien pour moi si, en Inde, tu profites de plein de choses, et même pour moins que ça.
Regarder les gens dans la rue, se promener dans un bazar, être assis au bord du Gange... C'est gratuit!
C'est peut-être "rien" pour toi. Pour moi, ce sont les choses qui me poussent à partir!
Opai tu es un vrai aventurier car tu te lances dans un périple physiquement très dur.
Le probleme du vélo en Afrique australe c'est :
- Tu es quasi obligé de rouler principalement sur des routes goudronnés. Les gravels road en vélo doivent être épuisante (parfois + sableux que gravier, nombreux risques de crevaisons multiples)
- Transport de tente + bon duvets + vetements + popote impliquent l'usage d'un petit "chariot" à trainer, pour pouvoir stocker eau et nourritures pour plusieurs jours, je ne pense pas que des sacoches suffisent (un chariot en plus sur les gravels road...🤪) Des étapes sans grandes possibilités de se ravitailler obligent à être autonome.
Se serait fou d'y aller en saison humide (ou il te faut un vélo 4x4 à moteur 😛), en saison sèche il fait froid la nuit, donc shorts et maillots ne suffisent pas.
Suis pas d'accord; hormis les gorilles bien sûr ; tous les témoignages de voyageurs lus disent que parcs ougandais moins onéreux et pays facile à voyager en transports locaux.
Guide Bradt confirme cela.
Sur quelle base affirmes tu ça?
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Coucou
Je parlais de voyageurs roots pas des gens vivant dans le pays🙂; j'ai croisé des voyageurs qui dépensait à peu prêt ça par jour; hôtels pourris, bouffe sur le pouce (stands de rue..), pas de sorties et d'excursions. C'est une manière de voyager; à titre perso je dépense plus mais bon
Pour les parcs, c'est clair cela revient cher dans tous les cas.
Hors parcs par contre, on peut s'en sortir à petit budget; je l'ai constaté au Cameroun pourtant loin d'être une destination petit budget pour des touristes; hors parcs, les transports locaux sont peu onéreux et de partout on trouve des hôtels à 4 ou 5 euro la nuit; à condition d'accepter aucun confort, moustiques, cafards🤪😄...mais bon c'est possible.🤪😉
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Apparemment, c'est presque unanime, voyager en vélo en Afrique est de la pure folie.
Je vous rassure, je ne suis pas fou, je me renseigne c'est tout.
Ce que je remarque, c'est que c'est toujours ceux qui n'ont pas essayer ce genre de périple à vélo qui les déconseillent.
Je me souviens d'une collègue qui me promettais la mort à vouloir aller faire un treck à 5400m. Elle même n'avait jamais entrepris de voyage ni en montagne ni ailleurs.
En fait, je voulais juste me renseigner sur les prix en Afrique australe. Juste cela.
Voici quelques liens de personnes qui pédalent en ce moment en Afrique :
Gérard, jeune retraité rejoint Le Cap depuis la France. Il est actuellement au Congo Braza
http://www.zagafrica.fr/
Et où est le problème?? Je ne suis pas dogmatique!
Le budget pour tandafrika : 25$ par jour en moyenne pour 2!! Vu que la nourriture est peu chère, il y a sans doute beaucoup de jours où l'on ne dépense rien.
Dis moi, tu maintiens que se promener dans une ville, sentir les odeurs, voir les gens vivre, entendre les bruits équivaut à regarder un doc. à la télé? En regardant depuis derrière la vitre d'un taxi peut-être...
je ne peut parler que de la tanzanie
pour 20 $ par jour il vas etre difficile de séjourner
l'entrée des parc et en moyenne de 50$
le vehicule avec chauffeur(guide)150$
quand aux hotels il faut compter en moyenne 12 euro par jour
les repas sont au environ de 6 euro
je suis en tanzanie tous les ans depuis quatre ans et je n'ai pas trouvé moins cher
Salut Opai,
je crois que tu fais l'erreur de vouloir absolument comparer l'Asie et l'Afrique.
En Afrique de l'Ouest tu retrouveras sans doute ces sensations particulières, d'échanges avec les populations mais pas en Afrique australe, peut être un peu plus en Afrique le l'Est.
Personnellement je ne porte aucun jugement sur le fait que tu voyages en vélo, c'est tout à fait possible. Ce qui n'est pas possible en revanche c'est de traverser les réserves animalières en vélo donc cela nécessite forcément le passage par un organisme extérieur et donc un surcoût important si tu veux les visiter.
Mais en dehors des parcs, n'y a-t-il aucun intérêt à visiter ces régions? Je ne parle de ne voir aucun parc. Mais de ne pas faire que ça!
Si si bien sûr.
la Namibie par exemple est à mon sens un des plus beau pays du monde au niveau des paysages mais comme il a été déjà souligné c'est du désert et des pistes pas toujours facile à appréhender en vélo. Les distances peuvent être grandes entre 2 points de bivouac.
Quant à la population y'en a pas ! (2 habitants au km²) alors c'est pas là que tu vas pouvoir t'assoir au bord d'une route et regarder les gens vivre
L'Afrique du sud, beaux paysages également mais pour caricaturer c'est l'Europe en Afrique. de belles routes goudronnées, de belles infrastructures mais la vie est chère.
Le Botswana ne présente guère d'intérêt à part ses merveilleuses réserves et le delta de l'okavango. Très très cher !
C'est en Zambie que tu auras le plus de chance de "toucher" les populations.
Tanzanie et Kenya, je connais pas à part les réserves...
Biensur, si tu compares le budget d'un voyage au kenya par ex avec celui d'un voyage en Tunisie ça n'a rien avoir.
A la limite quand on y va seul c'est bon mais dès qu'il s'agit d'un voyage de famille eh bein là ça se complique.
Franchement je ne connais guère de pays au monde que l'on puisse visiter pour 20$ par jour 😮 😮
Ben allez en Asie... pour 20$ vous pouvez manger, dormir et vous déplacer... bien sûr vous mangez pas dans les resto français, vous dormez en GH et vous voyagez en bus local mais vous visitez le pays pour 20$ par jour...
Ton christ est juif, ta pizza est italienne, ton café est brésilien, ta voiture est japonaise, ton écriture est latine, tes vacances sont turques, tes chiffres sont arabes et... tu reproches à ton voisin d'être étranger !
Tu frappes à la mauvaise porte.
d'abord j'ai déjà répondu à cette question et deuxièmement je suis déjà allé pas moins de 10 fois en Asie du Sud est, parfois dans des endroits où on vit avec 1 seul dollar par jour.
Je dis simplement que si on veut faire du tourisme , ce n'est pas possible, faut juste regarder le prix d'entrée du Taj Mahal ou du Grand Palais de Bangkok pour s'en convaincre 😉
Maintenant chacun est libre de faire ce qu'il veut, on peut très bien aller en Inde, passer devant le Taj mahal et ne pas le visiter...
Il n'y a pas besoin d'être très riche mais tout dépend de ce qu'on veut dire par très riche....
C'est sûr qu'à 20 $ par jour cela ne va pas être possible sauf si votre but est uniquement de tracer la route. 20 $ en logeant sous la tente, en faisant ces courses au supermarché , en ne visitant aucun musée ou autre site, en n'allant jamais au restau ou au café et en utilisant le vélo ou ses pieds, c'est aussi possible en Europe...
Avec un tel budget, pas de parc animalier, pas de visite des chutes Victoria, des dunes Namibiennes, du Fish River Canyon....
Et puis le vélo n'est pas très adapté à ces pays : la distance entre deux villages est souvent supérieure à ce qu'un vélocycliste peut parcourir en un jour (particulièrement en Namibie et au Botswana)
Un dernier obstacle: la chaleur des mois d'été austral (+40 en Namibie du sud....)
En fait, c'est une destination abordable par rapport à l'Europe surtout en basse saison (Hiver européen) mais onéreuse par rapport aux pays asiatiques visités en "routard".
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Jambo! J'ai organisé mon voyage grâce à ce type de groupe donc je me permets de donner mon expérience ici. Nous sommes partis à 4 dont 2 enfants de 9 et 11 ans. Après avoir fait une demande d'une vingtaine de devis, j'ai choisi de faire la partie safari avec MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally a répondu rapidement et écouté toutes mes demandes contrairement à d'autres agences : un guide francophone , l'ordre de visite des parcs (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti puis Ngorongoro) et un mix entre hôtels petit budget et camping pour diminuer le coût. Ils étaient encore 4 dans la balance et c'est le prix qui m'a décidé. Malgré qu'ils soient les moins chers, j'ai eu l'impression d'être mieux servi que d'autres par exemple pour les repas qui ont tous été concoctés par un cuisinier masai, Louis, qui nous a accompagné tout au long du séjour alors que certains mangeaient des repas dans des boîtes en carton. Samuel, le guide nous a expliqué une multitude de choses et a répondu à toutes nos questions. José nous a conduit jusqu'à bon port. Tout ça, dans la bonne humeur ! A la fin du séjour, Ally est venu à notre rencontre et nous a offert des t-shirt à l'effigie de l'agence, nous avons trouvé cela super qu'ils viennent à notre rencontre pour avoir nos impressions. Bref je recommande +++ d'autant que c'est une agence locale qui aide également une association pour les femmes et les enfants.
Pour Zanzibar, organisation par moi même. J'ai longtemps hésité mais j'ai finalement pris les 4 nuits au même endroit. Nous n'aimons pas la foule, je visais Jambiani mais j'ai trouvé EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS à Bwejuu. Nous avons pris le premier transfert aéroport/hôtel avec eux car nous arrivions de nuit et cela me paraissait plus sûr. Très bon rapport qualité/prix, à notre goût. Par contre attention, on est assez isolé : idéal pour chiller et faire des excursions. Très peu de sollicitations sur la plage contrairement à ce que j'avais lu sur Zanzibar. On vit les pieds dans le sable du matin au soir, petite bassine d'eau devant la chambre pour se les nettoyer. Joli endroit ! J'avais demandé quelques tarifs pour les excursions avant de partir mais nous avons pris sur place. Pas à notre hôtel mais auprès d'un restaurant à côté qui était moins cher. Après réflexion, étant basé à Bwejuu, je souhaitais faire Blue Lagoon et Pungume(les 2 partant du sud de Zanzibar). Blue Lagoon : environ 3h de temps en tout, snorkelling sur un petit récif plein de poissons (coraux pas top) puis arrêt sur un spot avec de très nombreuses étoiles de mer, avec snacks locaux, fruits et boissons.Pungume: super journée avec une chance sur 2 de voir les dauphins (raté pour nous), passage vers des mangroves puis snorkelling sur un spot avec quelques jolis coraux et bien sûr des poissons avant une super grillade(thon, crevettes, calamars, langouste, frites) sur un banc de sable à l'abri du soleil. Enfin, avant de rejoindre Stone town, nous sommes allés à Paje cave beaucoup moins connu que Maalum: plus petite, on a vu des chauves-souris, on s'est baigné puis on est a nourri les poules et lapins(très bien pour les enfants). et pour finir, visite de Stone town par nous même avec repas au Forodhani market.
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I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!