Voyage au Japon: rater le retour puis sortir dans un autre pays d'Asie?
by Spooky311
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour, ma copine et moi partons bientôt au Japon, nous étions tombé sur une offre avec des billets pas très cher et nous nous sommes précipité et donc on ne part pas pour trop longtemps. Depuis, on a beaucoup plus d'économie et comme on a un esprit un peu voyageur de dernières minutes, on se posait des questions:
S'il nous prenaient l'envie de ne plus partir le jour du retour mais de rester encore un peu voir aller dans un autre pays d'Asie, bon nous savons que les billets couteraient cher, mais la question est: est-ce-que ça nous posera pas de problèmes de ne pas prendre les vols de retour prévu? L'immigration ne va pas penser qu'on est restés illégalement ou quoi? Je ne m'y connais rien dans tout ça, donc si mes questions peuvent paraître stupide, désolé.
La compagnie, ne nous fera t-elle pas des problèmes ou quoi que ce soit?
Ensuite, si une fois sur place, nous décidons de faire ça, il est probable qu'avant de rentrer on veuille passer en chine, serait-il possible d'obtenir les visas au Japon ou à Hong Kong?
Merci de prendre le temps de vous occupez de nos questions.
est-ce-que ça nous posera pas de problèmes de ne pas prendre les vols de retour prévu? L'immigration ne va pas penser qu'on est restés illégalement ou quoi?
aucun probleme tant que tu ne depasses la durée limite sans visa.
Ensuite, si une fois sur place, nous décidons de faire ça, il est probable qu'avant de rentrer on veuille passer en chine, serait-il possible d'obtenir les visas au Japon ou à Hong Kong?
oui possible mais les delais peuvent etre plus ou moins long du moins a HK (un peu plus de 1 semaine)
aucun probleme tant que tu ne depasses la durée limite sans visa.
Ensuite, si une fois sur place, nous décidons de faire ça, il est probable qu'avant de rentrer on veuille passer en chine, serait-il possible d'obtenir les visas au Japon ou à Hong Kong?
oui possible mais les delais peuvent etre plus ou moins long du moins a HK (un peu plus de 1 semaine)
Bonjour,
Je vais au Japon très souvent et c'est en cherchant des infos pour y aller en bateau que j'ai lu votre question: Soyez rassuré il n'y a aucune raison que vous soyez embêté pour avoir changé le billet retour ni de la part des douanes ni de la part de la compagnie.Tant que vous respecter la durée du séjour qui est de 3 mois. Si vous faites un aller-retour Japon-étranger il faudra demander au préalable un "re-entry" permit , sans quoi vous seriez refoulé . Pour la Chine il est tout à fait possible de faire une demande de permis au Japon , le consulat Chinois est à Roppongi mais il faut s'y prendre dès que possible. En 2009 je devais rentrer de toute urgence ayant au préalable un retour acheté à l'avance et j'ai trouvé un vol pour 450 euros.
Voilà . Si vous passer à Osaka je connais des hôtels à environs 20 euros la nuit.
N'hésitez pas si vous avez des questions et racontez moi un peu votre voyage à l'occasion!
Voyagement votre.
Pascal
(mon blog de voyageur: papieravion blog )
Je vais au Japon très souvent et c'est en cherchant des infos pour y aller en bateau que j'ai lu votre question: Soyez rassuré il n'y a aucune raison que vous soyez embêté pour avoir changé le billet retour ni de la part des douanes ni de la part de la compagnie.Tant que vous respecter la durée du séjour qui est de 3 mois. Si vous faites un aller-retour Japon-étranger il faudra demander au préalable un "re-entry" permit , sans quoi vous seriez refoulé . Pour la Chine il est tout à fait possible de faire une demande de permis au Japon , le consulat Chinois est à Roppongi mais il faut s'y prendre dès que possible. En 2009 je devais rentrer de toute urgence ayant au préalable un retour acheté à l'avance et j'ai trouvé un vol pour 450 euros.
Voilà . Si vous passer à Osaka je connais des hôtels à environs 20 euros la nuit.
N'hésitez pas si vous avez des questions et racontez moi un peu votre voyage à l'occasion!
Voyagement votre.
Pascal
(mon blog de voyageur: papieravion blog )
I shall be gone and live or stay and die.
Soyez rassuré il n'y a aucune raison que vous soyez embêté pour avoir changé le billet retour ni de la part des douanes ni de la part de la compagnie.Tant que vous respecter la durée du séjour qui est de 3 mois.
La douane n'a rien à voir là dedans, c'est du ressort de la police. Mais effectivement, ce qui compte, c'est uniquement de sortir du Japon au plus tard le 90ème jour (et non trois mois, je pinaille).
Si vous faites un aller-retour Japon-étranger il faudra demander au préalable un "re-entry" permit , sans quoi vous seriez refoulé .
Ah bon ? "de mon temps", c'était applicable uniquement aux résidents étrangers au Japon.
Pour la Chine il est tout à fait possible de faire une demande de permis au Japon , le consulat Chinois est à Roppongi mais il faut s'y prendre dès que possible.
A vérifier, car depuis mai 2010, les Chinois sont devenus très exigeants envers les citoyens français, pour des raisons restées mystérieuses (la raison donnée récemment par Alain Juppé ne me convainc pas). L'une des mesures vexatoires consistent justement à refuser la délivrance de visas chinois aux Français hors de leur pays de résidence, mais cela ne semble pas systématique.
La douane n'a rien à voir là dedans, c'est du ressort de la police. Mais effectivement, ce qui compte, c'est uniquement de sortir du Japon au plus tard le 90ème jour (et non trois mois, je pinaille).
Si vous faites un aller-retour Japon-étranger il faudra demander au préalable un "re-entry" permit , sans quoi vous seriez refoulé .
Ah bon ? "de mon temps", c'était applicable uniquement aux résidents étrangers au Japon.
Pour la Chine il est tout à fait possible de faire une demande de permis au Japon , le consulat Chinois est à Roppongi mais il faut s'y prendre dès que possible.
A vérifier, car depuis mai 2010, les Chinois sont devenus très exigeants envers les citoyens français, pour des raisons restées mystérieuses (la raison donnée récemment par Alain Juppé ne me convainc pas). L'une des mesures vexatoires consistent justement à refuser la délivrance de visas chinois aux Français hors de leur pays de résidence, mais cela ne semble pas systématique.
Ah bon ? "de mon temps", c'était applicable uniquement aux résidents étrangers au Japon.
Je confirme, ce permis concerne les longs ou moyens séjours.
Je confirme, ce permis concerne les longs ou moyens séjours.
I shall be gone and live or stay and die.
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The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie







