Nous partons, ma compagne et moi, en Namibie de début octobre à début novembre en Namibie avec une arrivée en Afrique du Sud au Cap car nous voulons aller voir les baleines à Hermanus. Nous avons donc préparé notre itinéraire en fonction de nos préférences et différentes infos que nous avons pu trouver.
Aussi nous aurions voulu avoir un avis sur celui-ci :
j1 : Arrivée à cape town à 15h30, nous ne prévoyson rien de spécial ce jour là le temps de récupérer la voiture, faire des courses et trouver un camping
j2 : visite de cape town et de table moutain
j3 : route vers le cap de bonne espérance puis vers Hermanus
j4 : Hermanus, rencontre avec les baleines
j5 : en route ver Cederberg (clanwilliam)
j6 : Cederberg
j7 : de Cederberg à fish river canyon jusqu'à Hobas
j8 : Fish river canyon park
j9 De fish river canyon à Namib Rand NR
j10 : Namib Radb NR puis nuit à Sesriem
j11 : Sossusvlei puis retour à Sesriem
j12 : Naukluft Park - Zebra moutain en passant par solitaire
j13 : Naukluft park à walis bay via kuiseb canyon
j14 : excursion en bateau pour voir flamant rose et otaries puis route vers swakopmund
j15 : Swakopmund : excursion à moon landscape puis route vers spitzkoppe
j16 : spitzkoppe puis route vers brandberg
j17 : brandberg
j18 : De brandberg à twyfelfontein
j19 : de twyfelfontein à sesfontein puis route jusqu' au camp aussicht
j20 : visite chez les Himbas puis route vers palmwag
j21 : de Palmwag à Grootberg
j22 : de Grootberg à Okaukuejo
j23 : de Okaukuejo à Halali
j24 : de Halali à Namutoni
j25 : de Namutoni à Waterberg, on pense peut-être à la à CCF ou vers un Rhino drive
j26 : Waterberg : randonnée le matin puis route vers Windhoek
j27 : Daan Viljoen Game Reserve puis route vers Mariental
j28 : Mariental - randonnée le matin puis route vers Keetmanshoop - peut être aller voir les arbres à carquois
j29 : route de Keetmanshoop au cap
Il nous reste deux jours de libre car nous partons le 32 éme jour au matin. J'aurai bien aimé aller dans la bande de Caprivi mais je ne sais pas si les deux jours qu'ils nous restent nous le permettent ou vaut-il mieux qu'on les gardent pour autre chose.
Je finirai en précisant que nous avons déjà les billets d'avion donc pas possible de partir de Windhoek et nous n'avons pas non plus les moyens de laisser la voiture là-bas. Nous devons donc vraiment faire une boucle jusuqu'au Cap.
Merci à tous pour vos remarques
En première lecture, je garderais le Cederberg pour le retour.
Vous aurez passé les 4 premiers jours sans trop de route et pourriez tracer vers le nord en jour 5, alors qu'au retour, après cette longue boucle, vous pourriez apprécier de passer deux ou trois jours au Cederberg.
Si vous maintenez votre trajet, entrez au Cederberg par le sud, via Ceres, et non par Clanwilliam.
Bonjour,
D'accord avec Voyajou pour sa remarque.
Deux remarques pour ma part.
Aller jusqu'à Hobas, c'est une sacrée trotte. En une journée. ?
De même de Keets à CT...
Notez que pour moi, cela fait de toute façon, trop de Km...mais ce n'est que mon opinion.
Bonjour,
Suite à la remarque de Voyajou nous pensions effectivement garder le Cederberg pour le retour, ce qui couperai effectivement la route au retour, mais du coup elle sera d'autant plus longue à l'aller...
Quand vous dites que cela fait trop de kilomètres, vous parlez des ces deux étapes en partilculier ou du voyage en général ?
Ce n'est que mon avis.
Moi je suis du genre à me poser souvent 2 nuits voir 3 pour mes étapes.
Dans le cederberg c'était 3 nuits. Donc, oui, je pense que vous faites trop de km.
Et les grandes etapes citées sont vraiment longues.
Mais ce n'est que mon avis.
D'autant que pour l'expérience et les mots pour vanter le plaisir d'un feu de bois au bord de l'Orange ou la contemplation d'un canyon millénaire (millionaire ? Comment on dit quand c'est vieux en millions d'années ?), tes mots ou tes (rares 😛) photos sont plus convaincants !
Pour en revenir au post initial... Sur le parcours, il y a des gemmes ! Que seul un peu de temps permet d'apprécier ?
(dans plusieurs carnets...je citerai ceux de Voyajou ou d'Attila, on peut trouver pas mal d'infos...).
Merci pour toutes ces infos, nous allons réétudier notre trajet ce week end, je posterai certainement le nouveau en début de semaine prochaine.
Bon week-end
Je me permets de rajouter mon grain de sel...En respectant vos choix initiaux.
Vous entrez en Namibie par l'Est (Vioolsdrif ?) puis vous tournez à gauche pour longer l'Orange puis vous remontez vers le Namib rand. Comme celà vous avez l'occasion de longer l'Orange.
Au retour vous venez du Nord et après Keets vous descendez vers le Fish River Canyon pour ressortir via Vioolsdrif.
Au FRC vous verrez des arbres à carquois.
Pas trop tard pour apporter quelques détails, avant modification de l'itinéraire initial. D'accord avec les contributeurs et principalement Michel 85 pour le côté "flânerie" qui ne semble pas à l'ordre du jour !
Attention, au Cap, pour la visite de Mountain Table, tenir compte de la météo car par grand vent ou brouillard épais, le téléphérique ne fonctionne pas (avons été bloqué 2 jours en septembre 2011), dans le second cas, il n'y a aucun intérêt à monter là-haut.
Pour garder le Cederberg pour la fin il y a la possibilité au départ d'Hermanus et en deux étapes de remonter vers Paarl, Bainskloof Pass (magnifique), Ceres, Tankwa Karoo NP, Calvinia, Kenhardt et Augrabies Falls (à ne pas manquer).
Après, il est assez simple de rejoindre Ai-Ais au Sud de Fish River Canyon et de suivre la piste qui longe partiellement le canyon jusqu'à Hobas.
En J11, il est possible de remonter à Naukluft sans passer la nuit au camping de Sesriem. Pour la virée au-dessus de la Kuiseb, un permis est nécessaire (le prendre à l'office de Sesriem), il n'y a absolument rien dans le Canyon, parfois des gardes qui contrôlent les visiteurs.
Le Spitzkoppe est l'un des plus beaux endroits de Namibie et les emplacements de camping situés entre le Sugarloaf et le Gaingu (son vrai nom) sont très sympas (numérotés 9), je l'ai peut-être déjà indiqué !
De Grootberg Lodge (superbe situation sur le plateau, le camping "Hoada" est à 20/30 km sur la route de Kamanjab, Rhino Track possible) à Etosha, il est plus rapide et plus intéressant d'entrer à l'Ouest par Galton Gate et de camper à Olifantsrus par exemple plutôt que suivre les pistes au Sud du Parc pour pénétrer à Anderson Gate et ainsi traverser le parc d'Ouest en Est.
Pour la suite pas de commentaires particuliers sinon qu'il est impensable d'aller dans la bande de Caprivi, A et R, en deux jours sauf à préférer la conduite à la découverte.
Tout en écrivant ces lignes, me vient un schéma un peu différent de votre long périple : Le Cap, Hermanus, Ceres, Augrabies Falls, Ai-Ais/Fish River Canyon, Keetmanshoop, Mariental, Daan Viljoen/Windhoek, Etosha, Camp Aussicht (par Galton Gate, la C35 vers le Nord, puis la D3708 qui rejoint la C43), Sesfontein, Palmwag et Grootberg Lodge très proche (à choisir : Palmwag est plus intéressant que le Waterberg), Twyfelfontein, Brandberg, Spitzkoppe, Swakopmund, Walvis Bay, Kuiseb Canyon, Naukluft, Sesriem/Sossusvlei, Namib Rand, Aus (très joli camping en route dans Namtib Biosphere Reserve), Rosh Pinah et Vioolsdriff par la très belle piste qui longe l'Orange, Springbok, Clanwilliam, le Cederberg et enfin Le Cap.
La D3708 est un peu "Off-road" et demande environ 4/5 heures pour, je crois 80 km (se renseigner de son état, différent d'une saison à l'autre) mais c'est beaucoup plus court qu'Etosha/Palmwag/Sesfontein/Camp Aussicht et il y a un peu de piment !
Périple à envisager dans le sens contraire au cas où la floraison du Namaqualand (fin août, septembre et début octobre selon les années) aurait pris un peu de retard, le must étant vers Kamieskroon, 70 km au Sud de Springbok.
Merci pour ces dernières infos,
Nous sommes en train de réétudier complétement le voyages en essayant de prendre en compte les infos de chacun mais à la fois il faut faire avec le temps que nous avons et ce n'est pas évident (32 jours tout compris).
Je pense que je publierai le nouvelle itinéraire d'ici quelques jours. Aussi peut-être d'autres questions viendront.
En tout cas, merci à tous pour votre aide
Bonjour à tous,
Comme promis, je publie notre nouvel itinéraire après l'avoir réétudier à la suite de toutes vos remarques. On c'est bien rendu compte que l'on ne pourrai pas tous voir, des choix on donc été fait mais ça n'a pas été facile.
Je tiens avant tout à vous préciser que cet itinéraire compte encore un jour de trop, il faut donc que l'on enleve encore quelque chose pour économiser ce jour et nous avons vraiment besoin de vos conseils à ce propos car quoi enlever ??? Tel est la question...
Jr 1 : Arrivée à Cap Town
Jr 2 : Cap Town
Jr 3 : Boucle vers le Cap de bonne espérance puis route vers Hermanus.
Jr 4 : Hermanus
Jr 5 : Hermanus-Komieskroon
Jr 6 : Kamieskroon-Norotshama (Norotshama River Resort), Kayak ? Canyoning ?
Jr 7 : Norotshama-Aus (Klein Aus Vista)
Jr 8 : Aus ; excursion à la journée vers Lüderitz
Jr 9 : Aus-Namib Rand NR (Namib Rand Hindeout) par la D707
Jr 10 : Namib rand NR
Jr 11 : Namib rand NR – Sesriem (Sesriem Campsite)
Jr 12 : Sesriem-Sossusvlei-Naukluft en passant par Solitaire
Jr 13 : Naukluft Park : Zebra Moutain.
Jr 14 : Naukluft Park – Walvis Bay
Jr 15 : Excursion en bateau/Kayak : flamant rose ? otarie ? puis Swakopmund
Jr 16 : Swakopmund : excursion à Moon Landscape – Route vers Spitzkoppe
Jr 17 : Spitzkoppe puis route vers Brandberg : White Lady Lodge
Jr 18 : Brandberg
Jr 19 : Route Brandberg – Twyfelfontein – Palmwag : Palmwag campsite
Jr 20 : Entre Palmwag et Grootberg : Palmwag campsite
Jr 21 : Palmwag – Sesfontein puis Visite de Sesfontein puis route vers Camp Aussicht
Jr 22 : Visite chez les Himbas puis route vers Opuwo
Jr 23 : Opuwo – Etosha (Namutoni Campsite)
Jr 24 : Etosha (Halali Campsite)
Jr 25 : Etosha (Okakuejo Campsite)
Jr 26 : Okakuejo – CCF (Cheetah Conversation Fundation). Puis route vers Waterberg
Jr 27 : Waterberg (Matin : rando sur plateau, aprém : rhino drive) : Camping sur place (NWR campsite??)
Jr 28 : Waterberg – Mariental et environs pour Kalahari : Bagatelle ?
Jr 29 : Mariental – Keetmanshoop (Quiver Tree Forest/Giant’s Playground) – Hobas
Jr 30 : Fish River Canyon : Hobas campsite
Jr 31 : Hobas-Clanwilliam
Jr 32 : Clanwilliam-Ceres-Bainskloof pass-Paarl-Cape Town
Jr 33 : Départ à 12h05. Enregistrement des bagages à 9h max. (Ce jour doit donc devenir le 32...)
Voila donc ce nouveau parcours
Au plaisir de vous lire
Norotshama: je conseillerais le canoe...cool et très beau...une petite matinée très agréable.
Donc Norotshama Aus via la piste le long de l'Orange ? Bien
Au Noro, il ya: de grands chalets tournés vers la rivière, de plus petits idem, de plus plus petits tout au bord...de belles places de campings. Evitez seulement les chambres donnant à l'intérieur sur leur pièce d'eau.
La route entre Clanwilliam et Ceres: celle passant par Citrusdal, Poterville n'a d'intérêt que de passer par Tulbagh, ville rasée par un tremblement de terre et refaite "à l'ancienne". Très chouette.
Celle passant par le Cederberg (à gauche bien avant Citrusdal), par Op die Berg Prince Alfred Ceres est bien plus belle mais avec une voiture adaptée...
Walvis bay...la balade en bateau dans la baie, sans conteste pour ma part.
(quelques photos dans mes 2 carnets sur plusieurs de ces endroits).
Merci pour ces remarques, mais j'aurai surtout voulu avoir votre avis au sujet de la journée que nous devons supprimer.
D'après vous, comment pouvons nous gagner un jour au cours du voyage???
Nous n'avons en réalité que 32 jours et actuellement l'itinéraire est sur 33 jours
Bonjour à tous,
Comme promis, je publie notre nouvel itinéraire après l'avoir réétudier à la suite de toutes vos remarques. On c'est bien rendu compte que l'on ne pourrai pas tous voir, des choix on donc été fait mais ça n'a pas été facile.
Je tiens avant tout à vous préciser que cet itinéraire compte encore un jour de trop, il faut donc que l'on enleve encore quelque chose pour économiser ce jour et nous avons vraiment besoin de vos conseils à ce propos car quoi enlever ??? Tel est la question...
Jr 1 : Arrivée à Cap Town
Jr 2 : Cap Town
Jr 3 : Boucle vers le Cap de bonne espérance puis route vers Hermanus.
Jr 4 : Hermanus
Jr 5 : Hermanus-Komieskroon
Jr 6 : Kamieskroon-Norotshama (Norotshama River Resort), Kayak ? Canyoning ?
Jr 7 : Norotshama-Aus (Klein Aus Vista)
Jr 8 : Aus ; excursion à la journée vers Lüderitz
Jr 9 : Aus-Namib Rand NR (Namib Rand Hindeout) par la D707
Jr 10 : Namib rand NR
Jr 11 : Namib rand NR – Sesriem (Sesriem Campsite)
Jr 12 : Sesriem-Sossusvlei-Naukluft en passant par Solitaire
Jr 13 : Naukluft Park : Zebra Moutain.
Jr 14 : Naukluft Park – Walvis Bay
Jr 15 : Excursion en bateau/Kayak : flamant rose ? otarie ? puis Swakopmund
Jr 16 : Swakopmund : excursion à Moon Landscape – Route vers Spitzkoppe
Jr 17 : Spitzkoppe puis route vers Brandberg : White Lady Lodge
Jr 18 : Brandberg
Jr 19 : Route Brandberg – Twyfelfontein – Palmwag : Palmwag campsite
Jr 20 : Entre Palmwag et Grootberg : Palmwag campsite
Jr 21 : Palmwag – Sesfontein puis Visite de Sesfontein puis route vers Camp Aussicht
Jr 22 : Visite chez les Himbas puis route vers Opuwo
Jr 23 : Opuwo – Etosha (Namutoni Campsite)
Jr 24 : Etosha (Halali Campsite)
Jr 25 : Etosha (Okakuejo Campsite)
Jr 26 : Okakuejo – CCF (Cheetah Conversation Fundation). Puis route vers Waterberg
Jr 27 : Waterberg (Matin : rando sur plateau, aprém : rhino drive) : Camping sur place (NWR campsite??)
Jr 28 : Waterberg – Mariental et environs pour Kalahari : Bagatelle ?
Jr 29 : Mariental – Keetmanshoop (Quiver Tree Forest/Giant’s Playground) – Hobas
Jr 30 : Fish River Canyon : Hobas campsite
Jr 31 : Hobas-Clanwilliam
Jr 32 : Clanwilliam-Ceres-Bainskloof pass-Paarl-Cape Town
Jr 33 : Départ à 12h05. Enregistrement des bagages à 9h max. (Ce jour doit donc devenir le 32...)
Voila donc ce nouveau parcours
Au plaisir de vous lire
Peut-être le J18 Brandberg. De Spitzkoppe par la C1930, C35 et D2539, il n'y a que 140 km. On est parti à 9h et arrivé vers 11h au White Lady donc ça peut laisser l'après-midi de libre pour la visite du site et éviter de rester 1 journée supplémentaire.
Tout ce qui a été perdu dans la plaine, tu le retrouveras dans les montagnes. Proverbe géorgien.
Effectivement nous avions penser enlever une journée à ce moment du voyage mais nous avions peur de ne pas avoir assez de temps pour voir le Brandberg.
Merci beaucoup pour cette info car cela peut donc être un bon moyen de gagner un jour 😉
Nouvel itinéraire ambitieux avec quelques très longues (mais réalisables) étapes telles :
- Hermanus/Kamieskroon.
- Opuwo/Namutoni.
- Waterberg/Bagatelle.
- Hobas/Clanwilliam.
Gagner une journée ne semble pas facile sinon supprimer celle du Brandberg qui est, toutefois, un site extraordinaire, surtout si les éléphants s'y trouvent encore (je ne pense pas à cette époque de l'année, tout dépend des pluies). Ou peut-être Luderitz en passant directement d'Aus à Namib Rand. Personnellement, j'aurais fait l'impasse sur les Himbas et le Waterberg pour profiter un peu plus du reste : quand on va en Namibie, on tombe amoureux et on y retourne !
Le Grootberg n'est intéressant que si vous y loger (site somptueux) mais il n'est pas certain qu'on vous autorise à grimper là-haut seulement pour le coup d’œil. La grimpette et la descente sont assez impressionnantes. Donc, autant profiter pleinement de Palmwag et de sa riche faune.
Pas grand chose à voir à Sesfontein sinon le Fort transformé en hôtel et faire le plein (attention pompe parfois à sec, donc prendre ses précautions à Palmwag et compléter à Sesfontein).
De Camp Aussicht et même d'Opuwo, il me paraît plus court de pénétrer dans Etosha par Galton Gate à l'Ouest, plutôt que d'aller à Namutoni en traversant l'Owamboland qui n'est pas la région la plus intéressante du pays. La faune du parc est aussi riche dans le secteur occidentale que dans la partie traditionnelle, tout est question de chance et d'observation. Nous y avons passé plusieurs jours en 2014 avec beaucoup de bonheur, principalement à Renostervlei près de Dolomite Camp. Première étape à Olifantsrus, seconde à Okaukuejo ou Halali et la dernière à Namutoni d'où un trajet un peu plus long pour rejoindre le Waterberg en sortant du parc, mais la traversée de l'ancienne zone réservée d'Etosha est beaucoup plus attrayante que celle du pays Owambo (routes encombrées et dangereuses).
Pour les J 29 et 30. En arrivant dans l'après-midi, vous aurez le temps d'aller jeter un coup d’œil à Main view point, distant d'une douzaine de km du camping. Sinon, la journée du lendemain est suffisante pour aller d'Hobas au Canyon et de le suivre pour rejoindre Ai-Ais et éventuellement de vous avancez vers le Sud et la RSA. L'intérêt de Fish River Canyon est sa randonnée ou encore un aller et retour au fond dans la journée mais je pense que c'est maintenant interdit, sinon il ne reste que les sauts de puce avec des petites balades sur la rive gauche. Vous pourrez camper à Ai-Ais ou, peut-être, le long de l'Orange à Aussenkehr ou Vioolsdrif.
Le Cederberg est à 450/500 km au Sud de la frontière = encore une belle étape. Algeria est un camping très agréable et le siège du parc. Il ne vous restera qu'une journée pour rejoindre Le Cap en traversant cette superbe région avec, si vous en avez le temps un petit stop pour découvrir les somptueuses formations rocheuses de Stadtsaal Caves, une heure ou deux au minimum (permis à prendre à Algéria ou en route).
Bon courage pour l'élaboration de ce périple.
Bien cordialement.
Jacky + Yolande.
merci beaucoup pour toutes ces infos!
Effectivement, certaines étapes sont longues, nous le savons, mais elles sont malheureusement indispensables...
Après une rude réflexion/discussion, nous avons décidés de supprimer la visite chez les himbas. Du coup, de Palmwag, nous pouvons camper à Grootberg pour aller directement à Etosha (sans aller à Sesfontein, mais vu les commentaires de nombreuses personnes, on ne rate rien à priori!).
Cependant, il reste un problème:
en effet, vous êtes les deuxième à nous proposer de rentrer à Etosha par le Galton Gate pour camper au Dolomite Camp...
Après m'être renseigné, il semblerait que le dolomite camp soit uniquement un lodge (pas de camping). Or, nous campons pendant ce voyage...
Il nous semble alors impossible d'entrer du côté ouest d'Etosha...
Besoin d'infos donc... est-il possible de camper dans la partie ouest d'Etosha ou non?
Sinon, on peut toujours faire Grootberg-Okakeujo mais c'est dommage....
Cependant, il reste un problème:
en effet, vous êtes les deuxième à nous proposer de rentrer à Etosha par le Galton Gate pour camper au Dolomite Camp...
Après m'être renseigné, il semblerait que le dolomite camp soit uniquement un lodge (pas de camping). Or, nous campons pendant ce voyage...
Il nous semble alors impossible d'entrer du côté ouest d'Etosha...
Besoin d'infos donc... est-il possible de camper dans la partie ouest d'Etosha ou non?
Sinon, on peut toujours faire Grootberg-Okakeujo mais c'est dommage....
Encore merci pour votre aide!
Oui, il est possible de camper à Olifantsrus, c'est un camping uniquement (pas de lodge) qui est à 65 km de Galton Gate (dolomite est à 45 km). Il n'y a pas bcp de place et même en mai, c'était complet quand on est arrivé sans réservation. Donc mieux vaut réserver. Cependant, ils nous ont dit qu'ils ne laissaient personne à l'extérieur et quand le camping est complet, il y l'aire de pique nique à l'entrée (ou nous étions) qui est à mon sens mieux que le camping.
Pour info, on a payé l'entrée du parc sur place à Galton Gate et même sans réservation d'hébergement, ils nous ont laissé entrer. L'entrée est valable pour 24h/48h/72h etc... à partir de l'heure/minute du paiement à l'entrée. Ils revérifient aussi le contenu des véhicules même s'il y a le contrôle sanitaire (viande) juste quelques kilomètres avant Galton Gate quand on descend du nord (pas quand on arrive du sud).
Tout ce qui a été perdu dans la plaine, tu le retrouveras dans les montagnes. Proverbe géorgien.
Suite à un changement d'itinéraire proposé par certains (merci! 🙂 ), voilà qu'il nous reste une journée entière à placer dans notre itinéraire.
Aussi, nous hésitons entre Sesriem (où nous restons 24h), Mariental et ses environs (où nous ne restons que le temps d'une soirée) et Capetown (où nous restons une journée entière).
Bien sûr, pas de camping à Dolomite Camp, seulement un lodge, fort bien situé sur une colline dominant la plaine. Nous avons beaucoup aimé notre séjour dans ce site (2 nuits), même si le personnel est un peu désinvolte et la cuisine quelconque (ce n'était pas le but de notre visite). Pas de carburant non plus, du moins en octobre 2014 = ne pas oublier de faire le plein à Palmwag, en fait, à chaque fois que l'on voit une pompe, on saute dessus !
Camping à Olifantsrus que j'ai trouvé très calme et plus "prenant" qu'Okaukuejo Rest camp qui n'est intéressant que par la présence de son point d'eau éclairé la nuit). Camping possible aussi dans la concession d'Hobatere avant d'entrer dans le parc côté Ouest (tout le monde en dit du bien). Pas de carburant, non plus, à Olifantsrus.
Grootberg lodge est un endroit magnifique, comme je l'écrivais, dans mon précédent mail, nous y avons passé 3 riches journées dont un rhino track (avec succès) et un éléphant track (fort enrichissant mais bredouille). Le camping est très agréable, situé sur la route de Kamanjab à 20 ou 30 km du lodge.
Sage idée de supprimer la longue boucle pour rencontrer les Himbas, même si camp Aussicht bénéficie d'une bonne renommée. Je pense que les seules bonnes rencontres avec ce peuple sont celles au hasard du chemin, pour cela, il faut bourlinguer dans le Kaokoveld. L'authenticité de cette ethnie, comme celles de la vallée de l'Omo en Ethiopie, a depuis longtemps fait place à un côté mercantile........ que l'on peut comprendre de la part de ces gens qui vivent très difficilement !
Le Kaokoveld et le Damaraland peuvent être le but d'un second voyage en Namibie ?
On est allé à Camp Aussicht mais pas pour les himbas. Le camping est style bushcamp avec uniquement 5/6 emplacements. Le site est super avec une balade à pied (rare en Namibie) qui monte à un promontoire ou on a une vue époustouflante avec rien à l'horizon si ce n'est la savane à 90°. Il y a aussi une mine de pierres bleues, dont j'ai oublié le nom mais dont on en trouve très peu dans le monde et avec lesquelles Marius et sa femme font des bijoux. Avec le Spitzkoppe, c'est l'un des plus beau site même si les équipements de campings sont rustiques.
Sinon pour le campsite d'Okaukuejo, si complet (ce qui arrive souvent sans réservation) il y en a un autre mieux et moins cher à 20 km après Galton Gate, c'est Etosha Safari Camp. On y est allé le soir et on est revenu le matin pour aller au point d'eau d'Okaukuejo qui est un vrai "défilé" d'animaux. Il faut dire qu'on y est resté 2h, il n'y avait presque personne, et on y est bien - à l'extérieur de la voiture avec des bancs à disposition - pour observer les animaux. Le soir, on est resté à Halali ou le point d'eau est plus intimiste et on a vu aussi pas mal de grosses bébêtes.
Tout ce qui a été perdu dans la plaine, tu le retrouveras dans les montagnes. Proverbe géorgien.
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Voyager avec des enfants › Afrique du Sud / Namibie / Botswana · 42 replies
Notre préparation de voyage autour du monde commence à bien prendre forme. Après avoir posé un contexte solide (travail, école, finances, santé etc...) nous…
Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM
4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing
5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?)
8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...)
9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?)
11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!)
13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure)
16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...)
18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP
21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!)
22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now...
I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments...
Can’t wait to be back there again!
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes.
I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks).
Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate.
Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross.
Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head.
Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes:
Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek?
At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge?
There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls.
I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions.
I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali.
Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha.
I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4.
Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?