Bonjour à tous
Je vais travailler quelques mois l'année prochaine au Kazakhstan pour l'Alliance française. Je pense y acheter une moto et prendre 2 ou 3 mois pour rentrer, visiter, rencontrer les autres Alliances françaises du coin, flâner...
Je n'aime pas avoir d'itinéraire pré-déterminé, je change beaucoup trop d'avis au gré des rencontres et des conseils pour ça. Mais quand même au moins des grandes lignes, c'est à dire dans quels pays je peux me rendre sans trop me prendre la tête. La moto étant kazakh je pense qu'il n'y a pas de problèmes pour se déplacer avec dans l'union douanière Russie-Biélorussie-Kazakhstan.
Si j'ai bien compris les quelques infos que j'ai trouvé ici il n'y a pas besoin de CDP pour les autres pays d'Asie centrale. L’Ouzbékistan et le Kirghizistan sont ceux qui m'intéressent le plus. Mais avez-vous des infos sur le Turkmenistan. Je sais qu'au mieux c'est un visa de transit de 5 jours, mais qu'en est-il d'un véhicule?
La Mongolie est-elle compliquée depuis la Russie? (Juste au cas où, car niveau paysages de steppes et rencontres de nomades le Kazakhstan c'est tout aussi bien, et c'est moins touristique.)
Et dernière question : on peux entrer dans Schengen avec un véhicule de pays tiers? (Bon, ça, je suis douanière en France, donc je devrais pouvoir trouver mes réponses avec des collègues, mais si vous avez des expériences ça m’intéresse). Par la Pologne à priori si je suis logique avec les pays où je peux circuler.
J'élimine certains pays qui m'auraient plut, mais qui me semblent compliqués administrativement. La Chine car le permis international n'y est pas valable. L'Iran a cause du CDP.
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Je suis a la recherche de 3 billets adultes et 1 billet moins de 12 ans pour moi et mes trois enfants. j'ai choisi la Thailande en arrivant sur Bangkok et peut être repartir de Phuket...IDÉALEMENT, je voudrai voyager sur les compagnies comme Emirates, Ethias , Qatar ou sur Thai ou Singapore. J'attends donc les promo sur une de ces compagnies, a 2000,2200 je fonce. Pour ceux qui cherchent comme moi on pourrait mutualiser et se passer les bons tuyaux. A bientot
Bonjour,
Dans le cadre d'un voyage professionnel, je vais passer 3 semaines à Shymkent / Chymkent. Comme j'ai deux week end, je me tate entre: - Faire une randonnée aux alentours de shymkent (on y va en octobre) - faire l'A/R pour almaty et vister almaty - faire l'A/R pour astana et visiter astana
Avez vous des suggestions / préférences?
Merci bcp Antoine
Dans le cadre d'un voyage professionnel, je vais passer 3 semaines à Shymkent / Chymkent. Comme j'ai deux week end, je me tate entre: - Faire une randonnée aux alentours de shymkent (on y va en octobre) - faire l'A/R pour almaty et vister almaty - faire l'A/R pour astana et visiter astana
Avez vous des suggestions / préférences?
Merci bcp Antoine
Hello everyone!
I’m back from two weeks in southern Kazakhstan. I went with a friend, and we organized everything ourselves. We came back enchanted by this trip: stunning landscapes, lots of animals seen in the parks, and above all, top-notch hospitality and welcome... All of this makes me really want to go back and explore the other countries in the region. In the meantime, I’m sharing the story of these two weeks of travel... Don’t hesitate if you have any questions. And if you want more practical info and/or see more photos, you can check out my blog: https://smilingaroundtheworld.com/category/kazakhstan/
Day 1: First Kazakh steps in Shymkent
So here we are in Kazakhstan for two weeks. We had an excellent flight with Air Astana, which instantly made it into my top 3 best airlines! From the airport, the service was top-notch, with very friendly staff who went out of their way to ensure we both got vegetarian meals (my order hadn’t been taken into account when booking the tickets online). The flight to Nur-Sultan (the new name for the capital, formerly Astana, renamed last month in honor of the resigning president) was three-quarters empty, and we each got to stretch out over three seats. We were given an incredible travel kit, including a reversible sleep mask with phosphorescent writing: “Do not disturb” or “Wake me for meals.” Awesome! As for the lighting in the plane, I think the interior cycled through every color to simulate evening, early night, pitch-black night, and then dawn. It was even a bit surreal—those lights and everyone’s glowing masks ^^ The flight was a bit early and too short for us to sleep well, but it was still pleasant :-)
Upon arriving in Nur-Sultan, the atmosphere was a bit colder. There was staff everywhere, and we were under heavy surveillance. A camera even filmed us as we entered the terminal. We got our passports stamped and settled in to wait for our second flight. We eventually realized we were waiting in the wrong place... We were still in the international terminal, while our next flight was domestic. We finally found the right spot—saved! We started our trip in Shymkent, in the south of the country. We dropped our bags at the City Hostel, a super modern youth hostel offering double rooms. The decor is industrial-style, with very high ceilings—we loved it. When we arrived, it was too early for check-in, so we just left our luggage and went for a walk around the neighborhood. There was quite a bit of traffic, and the avenues were very wide. Despite that, there was also a lot of greenery and green spaces, which lightened things up a bit.
We had lunch (pizza + smoothie) on the top floor of a shopping mall, then headed to the pre-Russian quarter, a much quieter area with its little streets and individual houses.
Back at the hostel, after checking in, we treated ourselves to a two-hour nap—it felt great! In the late afternoon, we set out to find the Salman Bazaar. It wasn’t easy to organize—we realized Shymkent isn’t a very touristy destination—but we eventually managed with the help of the hostel receptionist, who called us a taxi. This bazaar is huge and has everything you could need for daily life: clothes, food, household products, toys... We did some shopping for dinner, then took another taxi to Independence Park, inaugurated in 2011 for the 20th anniversary of Kazakhstan’s independence. We really liked this park—it’s very wooded, and the late afternoon light was, as always, beautiful and pleasant... In the center, a large monument resembles the center of a yurt.
We then walked back to the hostel via Independence Square and several parks. We wanted to grab a drink along the way but didn’t find anything inspiring—oh well. We had dinner at the hostel and went straight to bed. Tomorrow, we’re getting up early... We’re heading out for two days to explore Aksou-Jabagly National Park. This park is famous for its landscapes at this time of year—it should be in full bloom, especially with tulips. We’ll see!
Days 2 & 3: Canyon, tulips, and wildlife in Aksou-Jabagly Park
Located two hours from Shymkent, Aksou-Jabagly Park is reputed to be one of the most beautiful in the region. We took a taxi from Shymkent, and upon arrival, we were warmly welcomed by Ruslan and his mother. They live at the entrance to the reserve, at the foot of the mountains, in a house surrounded by poplars. The setting is exceptional, and we immediately fell in love with the place. For our first day, we set off to explore the Aksou Canyon. Ruslan arranged a 4x4 with a driver and a ranger. The ranger speaks a few words of English, and with Coralie’s few words of Russian, we should manage! After a “viewpoint” stop, the road turns into a dirt track. It’s rained a lot lately, and the track is sometimes very muddy—at one point, we even had to cross a river. Four-wheel drive was definitely needed! The ranger pointed out some marmots by the side of the path—they were adorable.
We finally arrived at “Inspector’s House No. 1,” which overlooks the canyon. The view is magnificent, with high cliffs, wildflowers, conifers, and the Aksou River winding far below. While the driver chatted with the inspector, we descended to the bottom of the canyon with the ranger. The tulips I’d been hoping for were there—I was so happy! There were red, yellow, and even bicolor ones...
At the bottom of the canyon, we took a little break by the river. “Aksou” means “white waters” in Kazakh—the water does indeed have a very special color, a blue that’s both very light and very intense, like some South American lagoons. It bubbles around the rocks. The climb back up was easier than we feared. Once at the top, we continued along the canyon. The perspective changed as we progressed, and we never got tired of the view... Eagles circled above us.
After about 2 km, the driver picked us up, and we continued to a small kiosk at the foot of the mountains, where we had a picnic. Ruslan’s mother had prepared vegetarian “lunch boxes”—it was delicious and felt good to eat. However, it had gotten noticeably colder, so we put our jackets and scarves back on! After the meal, the driver walked off with a bucket—we figured he was going mushroom picking with Inspector No. 2, who had a house nearby.
We enjoyed the spot a bit longer while the driver gathered mushrooms, and then we headed back toward Ruslan’s place. Or so we thought... The return trip turned out to be quite long—the park wasn’t as deserted as it seemed, and the driver stopped every five minutes to chat with people we passed. At one point, we ran into Inspector No. 2 on horseback—it looked like there was a problem with a car further ahead... The driver and ranger bolted out of the car, headed toward the other vehicle, and we heard raised voices... When they came back, we tried to figure out what had happened, but no luck. We stopped again at Inspector No. 1’s house (are you following?), and they made us get out, telling us Inspector No. 2 needed the car for a few minutes... They left us stranded with Inspector No. 1, who went home, leaving us in the garden :-D We kept busy with the puppies, and I even took a little nap in the sun... Three-quarters of an hour later, we finally left—we didn’t fully understand what happened and never found out!
We got back (almost) without stopping to Ruslan’s house. Our room was ready, and we settled in quickly before dinner. It was already 6:30 PM, even though we were supposed to be back by 4 PM. Mushroom picking really slows things down ^^ Ruslan’s mother had prepared a delicious meal: vegetable soup, raw vegetable salad, and a mushroom, carrot, and potato stew. We loved it!
We spent the rest of the evening planning the rest of our trip while sipping tea. At one point, Ruslan and his mother signaled that there were wild boars right across from us—we could see them clearly! There were three adults and three piglets. We also took a little walk in the garden, watched the sunset, I did some blogging, and Coralie read... A lovely evening, and an equally lovely ten-hour night! The next morning, after a good breakfast, we set off on foot into the park. The trail starts right next to Ruslan’s house—so convenient! Today, we were with another ranger, two Germans (brother and sister), and their English-speaking guide (who didn’t guide much). We walked on a dirt road—there were even more tulips than yesterday, and the snow-capped mountains in the distance were stunning. After 5 km, we reached a small cabin, then continued another kilometer to Kishy Kaindy, a viewpoint overlooking the Jabagly River waterfalls (Jabagly means “year-old foal”). It was spectacular! We stayed a good while admiring this natural wonder. Like yesterday, the ranger didn’t rush us at all—it was really nice. We also saw eagles and an ibex perched on a ridge.
We had a picnic at the cabin before heading back the same way we came. This time, the snow-capped peaks were facing us—so beautiful! We picked up our bags and said goodbye to Ruslan’s mother. She was really happy today because her granddaughter was there. She told us she was a “babushka”—I understood that! Ruslan then drove us to Turar Ryskulov, where we took a shared taxi back to Shymkent.
In Shymkent, we struggled a bit with our Airbnb. We waited half an hour for the person who was supposed to let us in, then discovered the Wi-Fi wasn’t working—but we had a lot of bookings to make that evening. The lady finally lent us a Kazakh SIM card with data, which Coralie put in her phone in “hotspot” mode so I could get some internet too. All of that took nearly two hours. Phew! We then rushed to do some shopping at the supermarket. On the way back, some lights caught my eye—it was a pedestrian street all decorated with a funfair next to it. It was very lively, and we spent a good while strolling and people-watching! The rest of our evening was studious, between preparing dinner and booking our next stops.
Day 4: Turkestan, Yasawi Mausoleum, and Sauran ruins
This morning, after one last stroll in Shymkent, we headed to Turkestan. When we arrived at the bus station, we were told the next bus was in nearly three hours, but there were minibuses leaving when full. The system was well-oiled, and in just fifteen minutes, our minibus was ready to go. We each had a seat (and one for our luggage since there’s no trunk!), and the minibus was quite new—nothing like Madagascar ;-)
The trip went well despite a few driving scares—the driver was going a bit fast for my liking! Along the road, the fields were full of poppies—so pretty. When we arrived, we headed straight to the Edem hotel, where we wouldn’t be staying (we had a train to Almaty at midnight) but where we wanted to leave our luggage for the day. They agreed easily—great! Once we’d dropped off our bags and suitcases, we started our visits.
We began with the architectural gem and largest pilgrimage site in Kazakhstan: the mausoleum of Khodja Ahmad Yasawi, a great Sufi sage. Yasawi’s original tomb was already a pilgrimage site when Tamerlane ordered the construction of a larger mausoleum in 1390. It’s decorated with white and blue tiles and has a turquoise dome (currently under renovation). The main facade, unfinished at Tamerlane’s death, was left in earth with visible scaffolding. Impressive! The site is UNESCO-listed. Inside, the main hall displays a large cauldron, and other small rooms showcase plates, ancient coins, belts... Yasawi’s tomb is visible via two adjacent corridors.
We then strolled through the park, which includes many other mausoleums and tombs. We visited the old baths, the Friday Mosque, and then the history museum. The underground mosque, where Yasawi’s cell is located (where he retreated at the end of his life), was unfortunately closed for renovations.
We then went back to the Edem hotel to have them call us a taxi, and we set off to visit the ancient fortress of Sauran. This Silk Road city, once prosperous, is now reduced to ruins, with thousands of poppies blooming between them. High walls once surrounded a bustling and pleasant city. Many foundations remain visible. The place is vast, quiet, almost deserted, and imbued with a certain melancholy... The deep red poppies swayed in the wind, between the remnants of this city, reminding us how fleeting things are.
Back in Turkestan, we had dinner at the Edem hotel’s restaurant (we had to thank them somehow ;-)) and then rushed to the station to catch our train... 18 hours of travel awaited us to Almaty!
Day 5: From Turkestan to Almaty, 18 hours by train across the Kazakh steppe
We traveled from Turkestan to Almaty by train. We booked our tickets the day before departure, and only six seats were left: three in second class, not together at all, and three in first class, also not together but in the same carriage. We opted for first class! It was more expensive, but for such a long trip, a little comfort wouldn’t hurt... We wondered if we’d manage to switch cabins to be together, but it resolved itself: when we boarded, the conductor/carriage chief immediately noticed we weren’t together. He literally kicked a young man out of his berth so we could travel in the same cabin. We felt bad for the young man, even though he seemed to take it well... we thanked him with dried fruit (and I can confirm he took it well—the next day, he came to chat with us). In any case, we were really happy to have our own little cabin for this long journey, especially since we were the only foreigners and the only women in the carriage.
Eighteen hours by train might seem long, but these long trips while traveling aren’t wasted time—they’re the breathing space of the journey. They’re the essential moments for digesting what we’ve already experienced and preparing for future discoveries. They’re also privileged moments for reflection. Traveling slowly, to the rhythm of the train, means falling asleep in Turkestan’s outskirts, lulled by the train’s rocking and creaking, and waking up in the steppe. It’s feeling the train slow down and stop, stepping onto the platform for a moment, and watching the women sell food to passengers. It’s taking the time to write, read, think. It’s chatting with our neighbors and, despite the language barrier, managing to communicate a little. It’s picnicking at the little table in our cabin, with the landscape rolling by outside, and listening to music. It’s feeling privileged, imagining ourselves on the Orient Express or the Trans-Siberian. Reminding ourselves that one day, one day for real, we’ll take that Trans-Siberian. And smiling, thinking that in the meantime, in a few months, there’ll be the Trans-Canadian...
Days 6 & 7: Almaty, the “little apple”
The former capital of Kazakhstan, Almaty is known as the most Western and lively city in the country. At first, we had a bit of trouble identifying the city center—it’s more spread out and less dense than what we’re used to in Europe—but once we got our bearings, we really enjoyed strolling along the wide avenues lined with cafés and in the few pedestrian streets. The city’s emblem is the apple, which you’ll find in various forms around the city, from benches to statues to fountains. The original apple, from which all the apples we know today descend, is said to come from the mountains of Kazakhstan.
For nature, Almaty is a pretty green city. It has large parks, like Panfilov Park, which houses the Zenkov Cathedral. Some streets are also very tree-lined, so much so that they almost look like gardens. Often, high mountains peek out from behind the streets...
For shopping, traditional boutiques sit alongside big international brands. We really liked the Green Bazaar, a large market that sells everything. The food section was great, with stalls of pickled vegetables, dried fruits, and beautifully stacked fresh fruits... A feast for the eyes and lots of temptations for me!
For culture, Almaty has several museums. We visited two: the Fine Arts Museum and the National Museum. Both are housed in very Soviet-looking buildings on the outside, but the Fine Arts Museum turned out to be quite modern inside, with a pleasant museography. The National Museum, on the other hand, has stayed true to its roots ^^ Just walking through it was an experience in itself. And we did quite a bit of shopping there... The hall is a giant shop with lots of handicrafts—we treated ourselves.
The Arasan Baths are a must in Almaty. They’re said to be among the most beautiful baths in Central Asia... Architecturally, I didn’t find them amazing (nothing like Budapest’s, for example), but wow, did it feel good to relax there after a day of sightseeing! I happily moved between the sauna, hammam, and Russian sauna, with a preference for the latter—less dry than a traditional sauna and less humid than the hammam. You can buy bundles of leaves to slap yourself (or get slapped) with to boost circulation. The prices are very affordable too... On a weekday evening, we paid 1,800 tenge, or 4.5 euros, for an hour. Note that they add 20 minutes for changing, so you really get a full hour in the baths.
For restaurants, we didn’t try many because we preferred to limit our food budget by cooking ourselves. However, we did try and highly recommend Daredzhani, a great Georgian restaurant where we feasted. We didn’t know Georgian cuisine before, but we really liked it—vegetables cooked in various ways, cheese-filled breads, potato and/or egg-filled breads, and very thin fruit pastes made from grapes. We actually ate there twice because it was so good! We also loved Coffee Delia, where you can enjoy delicious pastries in a very cozy setting.
Besides being a pleasant place to live, Almaty is also a great base for exploring the surrounding area, and we were happy to stay eight days to discover more of the region!
Days 7, 8 & 9: Getting green around Almaty: Kok Tobe, Shymbulak, Medeo, and Big Almaty Lake
During our stay in Almaty, we used a rather unusual means of transport several times: the cable car! Here, it’s called a "gondola," and it allowed us to gain some altitude and breathe in the fresh mountain air surrounding Almaty ;-)
First cable car ride: Kok Tobe. The cable car starts in the city center and takes you to the top of a hill overlooking Almaty. At the top, it’s fairground vibes with an upside-down house, a Ferris wheel, rides, and the inevitable eagle trainer... There’s even a little corner dedicated to the Beatles, complete with music and a statue!
Second ride: Shymbulak. This time, you take a bus to Medeo, then three cable cars to the top of the mountain, at 3,200 meters altitude. Shymbulak is the largest ski resort in Central Asia. We went there to hike, but there was still snow and skiers, so we settled for admiring the view... With the blue sky and sun we had, it was gorgeous! We then treated ourselves to tea on the terrace—chalet vibes... At Paul’s, we weren’t completely out of place ;-)
Before taking the bus back, we stopped by Medeo, where there’s a large ice rink. With 10,000 m², it can host a thousand skaters in winter! This season, it’s closed; part of it is used as a go-kart track, and the other as a landing strip for paragliders.
Located an hour’s drive from the city center, Big Almaty Lake reveals itself at the last moment, around a bend, nestled in a setting of mountains and greenery. With the recent cold snap, it’s frozen, and the edges are snowy—a beautiful winter atmosphere! The ice was starting to melt, though—we could hear the water moving underneath, and when Coralie tried to walk on the ice, it collapsed under her feet. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to walk around it—a ranger keeps an eye out and blocks the adventurous (including us ;-)).
Days 10 & 11: Excursions around Almaty: Charyn Canyon, Issyk, and Turgen
Almaty’s tourism office is very active and organizes outings on weekends and holidays. We went to Charyn Canyon and then to Issyk and Turgen. A great way to discover the Almaty area at a modest cost (the outing costs about 6,000 tenge, or 15 euros per person).
Formed over millennia by erosion and wind, Charyn Canyon is reminiscent of the Colorado and the Grand Canyon. The most touristy part we visited is called the Valley of Castles, referring to the rock formations that resemble towers. We first walked along the ridge, where there are many viewpoints, then descended into the canyon. A three-kilometer walk leads to the banks of the Charyn River. The place seems to be a favorite relaxation spot for Kazakh families, who picnic, play ball, sunbathe... There’s also a hotel, bungalows, yurts, and a restaurant. Issyk is famous for its burial mounds and its Golden Man—maybe even a Golden Woman—found there. A small museum displays some artifacts. A little further on is Issyk Lake, once dried up but now reappearing... Whether naturally or not isn’t very clear!
As for Turgen, it’s a natural park known for its gorges and waterfalls. We didn’t have time to explore it in detail, but the bus drove through some beautiful landscapes, and we still walked to Bear Waterfall. It’s not incredible, but it’s still a nice little hike.
Besides the practical side of these organized excursions from Almaty, we appreciated being able to do an activity that Kazakhs do on weekends. During the Issyk/Turgen excursion, we really hit it off with Karina, a young student dragged there on vacation by her mother. She’s currently studying computer science at the best university in Astana and hopes to go to Europe eventually... A brilliant young woman, and a chance for us to chat in English ;-)
Days 12 & 13: The spectacular landscapes of Altyn-Emel Park
The last stop on our Kazakhstan trip was Altyn-Emel Park. This park is quite hard to access, so we opted for a car with a driver for two days—pure luxury!
Our driver’s name is Andrei. We met him at 7 AM outside our apartment on Wednesday morning. He doesn’t speak English, but a young man from the agency we booked through was also there, and we went over the itinerary together before leaving with Andrei.
Our first stop was Tamgaly Tas, two hours from Almaty. It’s a site where you can see 16th-century petroglyphs depicting Buddha. The place is also known for climbing—there were lots of young people harnessed up and/or climbing. It’s right in the middle of the Kazakh countryside, and we had a bit of trouble finding it!
Even with the language barrier, Andrei turned out to be very friendly. He suggested photo stops from time to time, didn’t rush us, and pointed out animals he saw... We even backed up on the road to see and help a tortoise cross!
It took another two and a half hours to reach Bashi, the “gateway” village to Altyn-Emel Park. After a quick stop at the rangers’, we arrived at the hotel. Our guidebook mentioned modest guesthouses, but things are changing... The hotel is large, brand new, and still being expanded. It reminded me of some Chinese hotels in Laos.
We had a quick lunch with Andrei—he explained that he’s a truck driver normally, delivering clothes and fabrics between Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, and Russia. He also showed us photos of his wife and son and told us he’s recently become a grandfather! We then headed to the park, grabbing a ranger on the way. Like in Aksou-Jabagly, he was dressed in full military gear. We first headed toward the Katutau Mountains. The rocks are reddish, sculpted by wind and erosion—the place reminded us a bit of Charyn Canyon. We had some “free time” to explore—we didn’t need to be told twice... Meanwhile, Andrei and the ranger chatted nonstop—it looked like they’d hit it off!
We got back in the car and continued along the track to the Aktau Mountains. Change of scenery! The mountains weren’t red anymore but white... Or so they appeared from afar. When we got closer, we realized they were actually multicolored, striped with yellow, pink, and ochre veins... It was magnificent, even more so with the late afternoon light. We had time to explore on our own again, and we walked with delight in this almost dreamlike landscape. We thought we’d made the right choice coming here ;-) We made one last stop before heading back to see a 700-year-old willow. It’s in an oasis where other tourists were camping—very tempting... I got the coordinates of their guide for next time ;-) The way back was in beautiful light, between sunset and a distant storm. Nature even treated us to a gorgeous sunset!
It was past 8 PM when we got back to the hotel, but our dinner was still waiting for us. We ate with Andrei, chatted a bit with a Polish woman who spoke both Russian and French (we put her to work chatting with Andrei ;-)), and then had a quiet evening with Wi-Fi, a shower, and reading in our room.
The next day, after breakfast, we met up with the same ranger and headed toward the singing dunes. These dunes are supposed to make a sound when you slide down their slopes. I was more than skeptical, but okay! When we arrived, we discovered a beautiful landscape—the main dune is gigantic, and when we reached the top, the view was extraordinary: it was the first time I’d seen a dune in the desert, snow-capped mountains, and a river all in one glance! A group of Chinese tourists was ahead of us on the dune, but they turned back quickly, and we were alone. After studying the terrain, I chose a slope that seemed good, and I started sliding down on my bottom... Quickly, I heard and felt a strong vibration, which turned into a hum. The dune really sings! It’s completely crazy... We did several tests—the most effective was sliding down side by side. But it works as long as there aren’t too many tourists doing it and the dune has time to rebuild between slides... There are about thirty singing dunes in the world. This phenomenon, already described by Marco Polo, comes from the synchronous movement of sand grains, which must be very round and covered with a varnish called “desert glaze”...
Covered in sand but delighted, we headed back to Bashi. The ranger stopped at a small spring so we could wash up, but it was almost dry. Along the way, we also saw the “Oshaktas,” a place where Genghis Khan’s expedition is said to have camped in 1219 during his conquest of Central Asia. The stones were apparently used to support the cauldron where food was prepared. A little further on, the ranger made us stop: there were antelopes!!! We saw one up close and a herd further away.
When we got back to the hotel, I took a quick shower to get rid of the sand—I felt like I had it everywhere! We had a quick lunch and then hit the road back to Almaty. Andrei drove very well, had a nice playlist, and I let myself be lulled while watching the landscape roll by outside...
For our last night in Kazakhstan, we booked a yurt in the hills above Almaty, not far from Medeo. For one night, we pretended to be nomads... The bed was a bit hard, and the air was a bit chilly, but we loved it! And the welcome was kind, the meal very good—only downside: the horse milk and camel milk, still warm... I almost threw up. Well, it was an experience, and all of this beautifully concluded our Kazakh stay!
I’m back from two weeks in southern Kazakhstan. I went with a friend, and we organized everything ourselves. We came back enchanted by this trip: stunning landscapes, lots of animals seen in the parks, and above all, top-notch hospitality and welcome... All of this makes me really want to go back and explore the other countries in the region. In the meantime, I’m sharing the story of these two weeks of travel... Don’t hesitate if you have any questions. And if you want more practical info and/or see more photos, you can check out my blog: https://smilingaroundtheworld.com/category/kazakhstan/
Day 1: First Kazakh steps in Shymkent
So here we are in Kazakhstan for two weeks. We had an excellent flight with Air Astana, which instantly made it into my top 3 best airlines! From the airport, the service was top-notch, with very friendly staff who went out of their way to ensure we both got vegetarian meals (my order hadn’t been taken into account when booking the tickets online). The flight to Nur-Sultan (the new name for the capital, formerly Astana, renamed last month in honor of the resigning president) was three-quarters empty, and we each got to stretch out over three seats. We were given an incredible travel kit, including a reversible sleep mask with phosphorescent writing: “Do not disturb” or “Wake me for meals.” Awesome! As for the lighting in the plane, I think the interior cycled through every color to simulate evening, early night, pitch-black night, and then dawn. It was even a bit surreal—those lights and everyone’s glowing masks ^^ The flight was a bit early and too short for us to sleep well, but it was still pleasant :-)
Upon arriving in Nur-Sultan, the atmosphere was a bit colder. There was staff everywhere, and we were under heavy surveillance. A camera even filmed us as we entered the terminal. We got our passports stamped and settled in to wait for our second flight. We eventually realized we were waiting in the wrong place... We were still in the international terminal, while our next flight was domestic. We finally found the right spot—saved! We started our trip in Shymkent, in the south of the country. We dropped our bags at the City Hostel, a super modern youth hostel offering double rooms. The decor is industrial-style, with very high ceilings—we loved it. When we arrived, it was too early for check-in, so we just left our luggage and went for a walk around the neighborhood. There was quite a bit of traffic, and the avenues were very wide. Despite that, there was also a lot of greenery and green spaces, which lightened things up a bit.
We had lunch (pizza + smoothie) on the top floor of a shopping mall, then headed to the pre-Russian quarter, a much quieter area with its little streets and individual houses.
Back at the hostel, after checking in, we treated ourselves to a two-hour nap—it felt great! In the late afternoon, we set out to find the Salman Bazaar. It wasn’t easy to organize—we realized Shymkent isn’t a very touristy destination—but we eventually managed with the help of the hostel receptionist, who called us a taxi. This bazaar is huge and has everything you could need for daily life: clothes, food, household products, toys... We did some shopping for dinner, then took another taxi to Independence Park, inaugurated in 2011 for the 20th anniversary of Kazakhstan’s independence. We really liked this park—it’s very wooded, and the late afternoon light was, as always, beautiful and pleasant... In the center, a large monument resembles the center of a yurt.
We then walked back to the hostel via Independence Square and several parks. We wanted to grab a drink along the way but didn’t find anything inspiring—oh well. We had dinner at the hostel and went straight to bed. Tomorrow, we’re getting up early... We’re heading out for two days to explore Aksou-Jabagly National Park. This park is famous for its landscapes at this time of year—it should be in full bloom, especially with tulips. We’ll see!
Days 2 & 3: Canyon, tulips, and wildlife in Aksou-Jabagly Park
Located two hours from Shymkent, Aksou-Jabagly Park is reputed to be one of the most beautiful in the region. We took a taxi from Shymkent, and upon arrival, we were warmly welcomed by Ruslan and his mother. They live at the entrance to the reserve, at the foot of the mountains, in a house surrounded by poplars. The setting is exceptional, and we immediately fell in love with the place. For our first day, we set off to explore the Aksou Canyon. Ruslan arranged a 4x4 with a driver and a ranger. The ranger speaks a few words of English, and with Coralie’s few words of Russian, we should manage! After a “viewpoint” stop, the road turns into a dirt track. It’s rained a lot lately, and the track is sometimes very muddy—at one point, we even had to cross a river. Four-wheel drive was definitely needed! The ranger pointed out some marmots by the side of the path—they were adorable.
We finally arrived at “Inspector’s House No. 1,” which overlooks the canyon. The view is magnificent, with high cliffs, wildflowers, conifers, and the Aksou River winding far below. While the driver chatted with the inspector, we descended to the bottom of the canyon with the ranger. The tulips I’d been hoping for were there—I was so happy! There were red, yellow, and even bicolor ones...
At the bottom of the canyon, we took a little break by the river. “Aksou” means “white waters” in Kazakh—the water does indeed have a very special color, a blue that’s both very light and very intense, like some South American lagoons. It bubbles around the rocks. The climb back up was easier than we feared. Once at the top, we continued along the canyon. The perspective changed as we progressed, and we never got tired of the view... Eagles circled above us.
After about 2 km, the driver picked us up, and we continued to a small kiosk at the foot of the mountains, where we had a picnic. Ruslan’s mother had prepared vegetarian “lunch boxes”—it was delicious and felt good to eat. However, it had gotten noticeably colder, so we put our jackets and scarves back on! After the meal, the driver walked off with a bucket—we figured he was going mushroom picking with Inspector No. 2, who had a house nearby.
We enjoyed the spot a bit longer while the driver gathered mushrooms, and then we headed back toward Ruslan’s place. Or so we thought... The return trip turned out to be quite long—the park wasn’t as deserted as it seemed, and the driver stopped every five minutes to chat with people we passed. At one point, we ran into Inspector No. 2 on horseback—it looked like there was a problem with a car further ahead... The driver and ranger bolted out of the car, headed toward the other vehicle, and we heard raised voices... When they came back, we tried to figure out what had happened, but no luck. We stopped again at Inspector No. 1’s house (are you following?), and they made us get out, telling us Inspector No. 2 needed the car for a few minutes... They left us stranded with Inspector No. 1, who went home, leaving us in the garden :-D We kept busy with the puppies, and I even took a little nap in the sun... Three-quarters of an hour later, we finally left—we didn’t fully understand what happened and never found out!
We got back (almost) without stopping to Ruslan’s house. Our room was ready, and we settled in quickly before dinner. It was already 6:30 PM, even though we were supposed to be back by 4 PM. Mushroom picking really slows things down ^^ Ruslan’s mother had prepared a delicious meal: vegetable soup, raw vegetable salad, and a mushroom, carrot, and potato stew. We loved it!
We spent the rest of the evening planning the rest of our trip while sipping tea. At one point, Ruslan and his mother signaled that there were wild boars right across from us—we could see them clearly! There were three adults and three piglets. We also took a little walk in the garden, watched the sunset, I did some blogging, and Coralie read... A lovely evening, and an equally lovely ten-hour night! The next morning, after a good breakfast, we set off on foot into the park. The trail starts right next to Ruslan’s house—so convenient! Today, we were with another ranger, two Germans (brother and sister), and their English-speaking guide (who didn’t guide much). We walked on a dirt road—there were even more tulips than yesterday, and the snow-capped mountains in the distance were stunning. After 5 km, we reached a small cabin, then continued another kilometer to Kishy Kaindy, a viewpoint overlooking the Jabagly River waterfalls (Jabagly means “year-old foal”). It was spectacular! We stayed a good while admiring this natural wonder. Like yesterday, the ranger didn’t rush us at all—it was really nice. We also saw eagles and an ibex perched on a ridge.
We had a picnic at the cabin before heading back the same way we came. This time, the snow-capped peaks were facing us—so beautiful! We picked up our bags and said goodbye to Ruslan’s mother. She was really happy today because her granddaughter was there. She told us she was a “babushka”—I understood that! Ruslan then drove us to Turar Ryskulov, where we took a shared taxi back to Shymkent.
In Shymkent, we struggled a bit with our Airbnb. We waited half an hour for the person who was supposed to let us in, then discovered the Wi-Fi wasn’t working—but we had a lot of bookings to make that evening. The lady finally lent us a Kazakh SIM card with data, which Coralie put in her phone in “hotspot” mode so I could get some internet too. All of that took nearly two hours. Phew! We then rushed to do some shopping at the supermarket. On the way back, some lights caught my eye—it was a pedestrian street all decorated with a funfair next to it. It was very lively, and we spent a good while strolling and people-watching! The rest of our evening was studious, between preparing dinner and booking our next stops.
Day 4: Turkestan, Yasawi Mausoleum, and Sauran ruins
This morning, after one last stroll in Shymkent, we headed to Turkestan. When we arrived at the bus station, we were told the next bus was in nearly three hours, but there were minibuses leaving when full. The system was well-oiled, and in just fifteen minutes, our minibus was ready to go. We each had a seat (and one for our luggage since there’s no trunk!), and the minibus was quite new—nothing like Madagascar ;-)
The trip went well despite a few driving scares—the driver was going a bit fast for my liking! Along the road, the fields were full of poppies—so pretty. When we arrived, we headed straight to the Edem hotel, where we wouldn’t be staying (we had a train to Almaty at midnight) but where we wanted to leave our luggage for the day. They agreed easily—great! Once we’d dropped off our bags and suitcases, we started our visits.
We began with the architectural gem and largest pilgrimage site in Kazakhstan: the mausoleum of Khodja Ahmad Yasawi, a great Sufi sage. Yasawi’s original tomb was already a pilgrimage site when Tamerlane ordered the construction of a larger mausoleum in 1390. It’s decorated with white and blue tiles and has a turquoise dome (currently under renovation). The main facade, unfinished at Tamerlane’s death, was left in earth with visible scaffolding. Impressive! The site is UNESCO-listed. Inside, the main hall displays a large cauldron, and other small rooms showcase plates, ancient coins, belts... Yasawi’s tomb is visible via two adjacent corridors.
We then strolled through the park, which includes many other mausoleums and tombs. We visited the old baths, the Friday Mosque, and then the history museum. The underground mosque, where Yasawi’s cell is located (where he retreated at the end of his life), was unfortunately closed for renovations.
We then went back to the Edem hotel to have them call us a taxi, and we set off to visit the ancient fortress of Sauran. This Silk Road city, once prosperous, is now reduced to ruins, with thousands of poppies blooming between them. High walls once surrounded a bustling and pleasant city. Many foundations remain visible. The place is vast, quiet, almost deserted, and imbued with a certain melancholy... The deep red poppies swayed in the wind, between the remnants of this city, reminding us how fleeting things are.
Back in Turkestan, we had dinner at the Edem hotel’s restaurant (we had to thank them somehow ;-)) and then rushed to the station to catch our train... 18 hours of travel awaited us to Almaty!
Day 5: From Turkestan to Almaty, 18 hours by train across the Kazakh steppe
We traveled from Turkestan to Almaty by train. We booked our tickets the day before departure, and only six seats were left: three in second class, not together at all, and three in first class, also not together but in the same carriage. We opted for first class! It was more expensive, but for such a long trip, a little comfort wouldn’t hurt... We wondered if we’d manage to switch cabins to be together, but it resolved itself: when we boarded, the conductor/carriage chief immediately noticed we weren’t together. He literally kicked a young man out of his berth so we could travel in the same cabin. We felt bad for the young man, even though he seemed to take it well... we thanked him with dried fruit (and I can confirm he took it well—the next day, he came to chat with us). In any case, we were really happy to have our own little cabin for this long journey, especially since we were the only foreigners and the only women in the carriage.
Eighteen hours by train might seem long, but these long trips while traveling aren’t wasted time—they’re the breathing space of the journey. They’re the essential moments for digesting what we’ve already experienced and preparing for future discoveries. They’re also privileged moments for reflection. Traveling slowly, to the rhythm of the train, means falling asleep in Turkestan’s outskirts, lulled by the train’s rocking and creaking, and waking up in the steppe. It’s feeling the train slow down and stop, stepping onto the platform for a moment, and watching the women sell food to passengers. It’s taking the time to write, read, think. It’s chatting with our neighbors and, despite the language barrier, managing to communicate a little. It’s picnicking at the little table in our cabin, with the landscape rolling by outside, and listening to music. It’s feeling privileged, imagining ourselves on the Orient Express or the Trans-Siberian. Reminding ourselves that one day, one day for real, we’ll take that Trans-Siberian. And smiling, thinking that in the meantime, in a few months, there’ll be the Trans-Canadian...
Days 6 & 7: Almaty, the “little apple”
The former capital of Kazakhstan, Almaty is known as the most Western and lively city in the country. At first, we had a bit of trouble identifying the city center—it’s more spread out and less dense than what we’re used to in Europe—but once we got our bearings, we really enjoyed strolling along the wide avenues lined with cafés and in the few pedestrian streets. The city’s emblem is the apple, which you’ll find in various forms around the city, from benches to statues to fountains. The original apple, from which all the apples we know today descend, is said to come from the mountains of Kazakhstan.
For nature, Almaty is a pretty green city. It has large parks, like Panfilov Park, which houses the Zenkov Cathedral. Some streets are also very tree-lined, so much so that they almost look like gardens. Often, high mountains peek out from behind the streets...
For shopping, traditional boutiques sit alongside big international brands. We really liked the Green Bazaar, a large market that sells everything. The food section was great, with stalls of pickled vegetables, dried fruits, and beautifully stacked fresh fruits... A feast for the eyes and lots of temptations for me!
For culture, Almaty has several museums. We visited two: the Fine Arts Museum and the National Museum. Both are housed in very Soviet-looking buildings on the outside, but the Fine Arts Museum turned out to be quite modern inside, with a pleasant museography. The National Museum, on the other hand, has stayed true to its roots ^^ Just walking through it was an experience in itself. And we did quite a bit of shopping there... The hall is a giant shop with lots of handicrafts—we treated ourselves.
The Arasan Baths are a must in Almaty. They’re said to be among the most beautiful baths in Central Asia... Architecturally, I didn’t find them amazing (nothing like Budapest’s, for example), but wow, did it feel good to relax there after a day of sightseeing! I happily moved between the sauna, hammam, and Russian sauna, with a preference for the latter—less dry than a traditional sauna and less humid than the hammam. You can buy bundles of leaves to slap yourself (or get slapped) with to boost circulation. The prices are very affordable too... On a weekday evening, we paid 1,800 tenge, or 4.5 euros, for an hour. Note that they add 20 minutes for changing, so you really get a full hour in the baths.
For restaurants, we didn’t try many because we preferred to limit our food budget by cooking ourselves. However, we did try and highly recommend Daredzhani, a great Georgian restaurant where we feasted. We didn’t know Georgian cuisine before, but we really liked it—vegetables cooked in various ways, cheese-filled breads, potato and/or egg-filled breads, and very thin fruit pastes made from grapes. We actually ate there twice because it was so good! We also loved Coffee Delia, where you can enjoy delicious pastries in a very cozy setting.
Besides being a pleasant place to live, Almaty is also a great base for exploring the surrounding area, and we were happy to stay eight days to discover more of the region!
Days 7, 8 & 9: Getting green around Almaty: Kok Tobe, Shymbulak, Medeo, and Big Almaty Lake
During our stay in Almaty, we used a rather unusual means of transport several times: the cable car! Here, it’s called a "gondola," and it allowed us to gain some altitude and breathe in the fresh mountain air surrounding Almaty ;-)
First cable car ride: Kok Tobe. The cable car starts in the city center and takes you to the top of a hill overlooking Almaty. At the top, it’s fairground vibes with an upside-down house, a Ferris wheel, rides, and the inevitable eagle trainer... There’s even a little corner dedicated to the Beatles, complete with music and a statue!
Second ride: Shymbulak. This time, you take a bus to Medeo, then three cable cars to the top of the mountain, at 3,200 meters altitude. Shymbulak is the largest ski resort in Central Asia. We went there to hike, but there was still snow and skiers, so we settled for admiring the view... With the blue sky and sun we had, it was gorgeous! We then treated ourselves to tea on the terrace—chalet vibes... At Paul’s, we weren’t completely out of place ;-)
Before taking the bus back, we stopped by Medeo, where there’s a large ice rink. With 10,000 m², it can host a thousand skaters in winter! This season, it’s closed; part of it is used as a go-kart track, and the other as a landing strip for paragliders.
Located an hour’s drive from the city center, Big Almaty Lake reveals itself at the last moment, around a bend, nestled in a setting of mountains and greenery. With the recent cold snap, it’s frozen, and the edges are snowy—a beautiful winter atmosphere! The ice was starting to melt, though—we could hear the water moving underneath, and when Coralie tried to walk on the ice, it collapsed under her feet. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to walk around it—a ranger keeps an eye out and blocks the adventurous (including us ;-)).
Days 10 & 11: Excursions around Almaty: Charyn Canyon, Issyk, and Turgen
Almaty’s tourism office is very active and organizes outings on weekends and holidays. We went to Charyn Canyon and then to Issyk and Turgen. A great way to discover the Almaty area at a modest cost (the outing costs about 6,000 tenge, or 15 euros per person).
Formed over millennia by erosion and wind, Charyn Canyon is reminiscent of the Colorado and the Grand Canyon. The most touristy part we visited is called the Valley of Castles, referring to the rock formations that resemble towers. We first walked along the ridge, where there are many viewpoints, then descended into the canyon. A three-kilometer walk leads to the banks of the Charyn River. The place seems to be a favorite relaxation spot for Kazakh families, who picnic, play ball, sunbathe... There’s also a hotel, bungalows, yurts, and a restaurant. Issyk is famous for its burial mounds and its Golden Man—maybe even a Golden Woman—found there. A small museum displays some artifacts. A little further on is Issyk Lake, once dried up but now reappearing... Whether naturally or not isn’t very clear!
As for Turgen, it’s a natural park known for its gorges and waterfalls. We didn’t have time to explore it in detail, but the bus drove through some beautiful landscapes, and we still walked to Bear Waterfall. It’s not incredible, but it’s still a nice little hike.
Besides the practical side of these organized excursions from Almaty, we appreciated being able to do an activity that Kazakhs do on weekends. During the Issyk/Turgen excursion, we really hit it off with Karina, a young student dragged there on vacation by her mother. She’s currently studying computer science at the best university in Astana and hopes to go to Europe eventually... A brilliant young woman, and a chance for us to chat in English ;-)
Days 12 & 13: The spectacular landscapes of Altyn-Emel Park
The last stop on our Kazakhstan trip was Altyn-Emel Park. This park is quite hard to access, so we opted for a car with a driver for two days—pure luxury!
Our driver’s name is Andrei. We met him at 7 AM outside our apartment on Wednesday morning. He doesn’t speak English, but a young man from the agency we booked through was also there, and we went over the itinerary together before leaving with Andrei.
Our first stop was Tamgaly Tas, two hours from Almaty. It’s a site where you can see 16th-century petroglyphs depicting Buddha. The place is also known for climbing—there were lots of young people harnessed up and/or climbing. It’s right in the middle of the Kazakh countryside, and we had a bit of trouble finding it!
Even with the language barrier, Andrei turned out to be very friendly. He suggested photo stops from time to time, didn’t rush us, and pointed out animals he saw... We even backed up on the road to see and help a tortoise cross!
It took another two and a half hours to reach Bashi, the “gateway” village to Altyn-Emel Park. After a quick stop at the rangers’, we arrived at the hotel. Our guidebook mentioned modest guesthouses, but things are changing... The hotel is large, brand new, and still being expanded. It reminded me of some Chinese hotels in Laos.
We had a quick lunch with Andrei—he explained that he’s a truck driver normally, delivering clothes and fabrics between Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, and Russia. He also showed us photos of his wife and son and told us he’s recently become a grandfather! We then headed to the park, grabbing a ranger on the way. Like in Aksou-Jabagly, he was dressed in full military gear. We first headed toward the Katutau Mountains. The rocks are reddish, sculpted by wind and erosion—the place reminded us a bit of Charyn Canyon. We had some “free time” to explore—we didn’t need to be told twice... Meanwhile, Andrei and the ranger chatted nonstop—it looked like they’d hit it off!
We got back in the car and continued along the track to the Aktau Mountains. Change of scenery! The mountains weren’t red anymore but white... Or so they appeared from afar. When we got closer, we realized they were actually multicolored, striped with yellow, pink, and ochre veins... It was magnificent, even more so with the late afternoon light. We had time to explore on our own again, and we walked with delight in this almost dreamlike landscape. We thought we’d made the right choice coming here ;-) We made one last stop before heading back to see a 700-year-old willow. It’s in an oasis where other tourists were camping—very tempting... I got the coordinates of their guide for next time ;-) The way back was in beautiful light, between sunset and a distant storm. Nature even treated us to a gorgeous sunset!
It was past 8 PM when we got back to the hotel, but our dinner was still waiting for us. We ate with Andrei, chatted a bit with a Polish woman who spoke both Russian and French (we put her to work chatting with Andrei ;-)), and then had a quiet evening with Wi-Fi, a shower, and reading in our room.
The next day, after breakfast, we met up with the same ranger and headed toward the singing dunes. These dunes are supposed to make a sound when you slide down their slopes. I was more than skeptical, but okay! When we arrived, we discovered a beautiful landscape—the main dune is gigantic, and when we reached the top, the view was extraordinary: it was the first time I’d seen a dune in the desert, snow-capped mountains, and a river all in one glance! A group of Chinese tourists was ahead of us on the dune, but they turned back quickly, and we were alone. After studying the terrain, I chose a slope that seemed good, and I started sliding down on my bottom... Quickly, I heard and felt a strong vibration, which turned into a hum. The dune really sings! It’s completely crazy... We did several tests—the most effective was sliding down side by side. But it works as long as there aren’t too many tourists doing it and the dune has time to rebuild between slides... There are about thirty singing dunes in the world. This phenomenon, already described by Marco Polo, comes from the synchronous movement of sand grains, which must be very round and covered with a varnish called “desert glaze”...
Covered in sand but delighted, we headed back to Bashi. The ranger stopped at a small spring so we could wash up, but it was almost dry. Along the way, we also saw the “Oshaktas,” a place where Genghis Khan’s expedition is said to have camped in 1219 during his conquest of Central Asia. The stones were apparently used to support the cauldron where food was prepared. A little further on, the ranger made us stop: there were antelopes!!! We saw one up close and a herd further away.
When we got back to the hotel, I took a quick shower to get rid of the sand—I felt like I had it everywhere! We had a quick lunch and then hit the road back to Almaty. Andrei drove very well, had a nice playlist, and I let myself be lulled while watching the landscape roll by outside...
For our last night in Kazakhstan, we booked a yurt in the hills above Almaty, not far from Medeo. For one night, we pretended to be nomads... The bed was a bit hard, and the air was a bit chilly, but we loved it! And the welcome was kind, the meal very good—only downside: the horse milk and camel milk, still warm... I almost threw up. Well, it was an experience, and all of this beautifully concluded our Kazakh stay!
Soyez bienvenus au Kazakhstan du Nord! J'habite a Petropavlovsk maintenant. Je serai heureux de partager mon expérience avec chacun qui a voyagé au Kazahstan. Je suis l'allemand mais je vis au Kazakhstan maintenant. Il est très facile de trouver du travaille bien payé ici si vous êtes un étranger.
Bonjour à tous,
Je pars au Kazakhstan durant le mois d'aout prochain, et je voudrai évidement trouver le billet d'avion le moins cher possible... Etant voyageur débutant, je ne sais pas trop où chercher, et je me demandais si par hasard vous aviez des agences et sites à conseiller.
Sachant que je n'ai pas d'impératif au niveau des dates, je suis prêt à prendre le temps qu'il faut pour le transport : bus, train, ... mais je vise principalement le meilleur compromis facilité/prix.
Et s'il y a des voyageurs sur ce parcours autour de ces dates, on pourrai faire un bout de chemin ensemble!
Merci d'avance pour vos conseils et infos.
Nicolas.
Je pars au Kazakhstan durant le mois d'aout prochain, et je voudrai évidement trouver le billet d'avion le moins cher possible... Etant voyageur débutant, je ne sais pas trop où chercher, et je me demandais si par hasard vous aviez des agences et sites à conseiller.
Sachant que je n'ai pas d'impératif au niveau des dates, je suis prêt à prendre le temps qu'il faut pour le transport : bus, train, ... mais je vise principalement le meilleur compromis facilité/prix.
Et s'il y a des voyageurs sur ce parcours autour de ces dates, on pourrai faire un bout de chemin ensemble!
Merci d'avance pour vos conseils et infos.
Nicolas.
Amis routards bonsoir!!!!!
J'aurais besoin de votre aide pour me décider sur la destination de mes prochaines vacances. Mon choix s'orienterait vers l'Asie Centrale... Je suis déjà allé en Ouzbékistan (que j'ai adoré). Mon choix se porterait donc entre le Kaz. et le Kir.
Mais que dois je choisir entre les 2?...... Please, help me... Est il plus facile de voyager dans l'un ou l'autre de ces 2 pays. Lequel vous parait le plus intéressant?
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.
PS : j'ai prévu un voyage de 3 semaines à partir de la dernière semaine de juillet.
Jean-Vincent
J'aurais besoin de votre aide pour me décider sur la destination de mes prochaines vacances. Mon choix s'orienterait vers l'Asie Centrale... Je suis déjà allé en Ouzbékistan (que j'ai adoré). Mon choix se porterait donc entre le Kaz. et le Kir.
Mais que dois je choisir entre les 2?...... Please, help me... Est il plus facile de voyager dans l'un ou l'autre de ces 2 pays. Lequel vous parait le plus intéressant?
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.
PS : j'ai prévu un voyage de 3 semaines à partir de la dernière semaine de juillet.
Jean-Vincent
Hi there!
I’m heading to Kazakhstan—a country I don’t know at all—at the start of October 2025, and I’d love to see all the different biomes it has to offer!
There’ll be three of us flying from Paris to Almaty, and we’re planning to do a road trip by either renting a car or hiring a guide to get to Astana and then return to Almaty, seeing as much as possible along the way!
If anyone knows a good route or has any tips, I’d love to hear them!
I’m heading to Kazakhstan—a country I don’t know at all—at the start of October 2025, and I’d love to see all the different biomes it has to offer!
There’ll be three of us flying from Paris to Almaty, and we’re planning to do a road trip by either renting a car or hiring a guide to get to Astana and then return to Almaty, seeing as much as possible along the way!
If anyone knows a good route or has any tips, I’d love to hear them!
Hi there, 🙂
I’m thinking of taking a trip to these two countries in 2026 (late spring to early summer).
I’d arrive in Almaty and leave from Bishkek, and I’d be driving myself.
I plan to spend 1 week in Kazakhstan and 2 in Kyrgyzstan. The itinerary isn’t set yet.
My preliminary questions are about formalities, hassle levels, and the car.
From what I understand, no visa is needed, the passport must be valid for 6 months after entry, and there’s no longer a requirement to register with the authorities at each stop. In short, once you’re in, no administrative headaches.
Except for permits needed to drive in certain regions?
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About crossing between the two countries:
- On foot - In a rental car
Quick? Easy?
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Are both countries safe? (Meaning you don’t have to stay on guard all the time.) Are the cops corrupt? (A little, a lot, passionately, not at all?)
---/---
Is it better to rent a car for both countries or rent a vehicle in each country?
A 4x4 or something else?
Is accommodation plentiful enough that I can skip a rooftop tent, or is it better to rent a 4x4 with one?
I’ll definitely have more questions later...😉
Thanks for your answers !
I’m thinking of taking a trip to these two countries in 2026 (late spring to early summer).
I’d arrive in Almaty and leave from Bishkek, and I’d be driving myself.
I plan to spend 1 week in Kazakhstan and 2 in Kyrgyzstan. The itinerary isn’t set yet.
My preliminary questions are about formalities, hassle levels, and the car.
From what I understand, no visa is needed, the passport must be valid for 6 months after entry, and there’s no longer a requirement to register with the authorities at each stop. In short, once you’re in, no administrative headaches.
Except for permits needed to drive in certain regions?
---/---
About crossing between the two countries:
- On foot - In a rental car
Quick? Easy?
---/---
Are both countries safe? (Meaning you don’t have to stay on guard all the time.) Are the cops corrupt? (A little, a lot, passionately, not at all?)
---/---
Is it better to rent a car for both countries or rent a vehicle in each country?
A 4x4 or something else?
Is accommodation plentiful enough that I can skip a rooftop tent, or is it better to rent a 4x4 with one?
I’ll definitely have more questions later...😉
Thanks for your answers !
hi everyone
I’m just starting to plan a trip to Kazakhstan—I’m thinking 4 weeks in summer ’26—and I’m totally in the dark! What route should I take? First off, for my flight ticket, where should I fly into and out of if I want to book soon?
Is it possible to rent a vehicle with a roof rack? Is that generally tolerated? (Maybe around Almaty?)
I love trains, so I’d prefer that mode of transport.
Anyway, I’m counting on your experiences since it’s tough to find practical info about this country. Thanks in advance for your tips
Is it possible to rent a vehicle with a roof rack? Is that generally tolerated? (Maybe around Almaty?)
I love trains, so I’d prefer that mode of transport.
Anyway, I’m counting on your experiences since it’s tough to find practical info about this country. Thanks in advance for your tips
Je reviens d'un voyage en Thailande, Cambodge, Mailaisie réalisé grâce à la compagnie ETHIAD choisie principalement au regard des prix. Cette société est respectable au demeurant et le service est en tout point correct.
Ethiad avec ses consœurs Emirates, Quatar Airways Gulf Air ont fait des émirats un hub de communication antre l'Europe et l'Asie.
Cependant je m'interroge sur ce modèle économique qui nous impose une escale au milieu de la nuit et au milieu de nulle part.
Je passe sur la prière au décollage qui écorche un peu les oreilles du citoyen laïque, la référence permanente à la position de la Mecque et la proportion de citoyennes emiratis en burqa intégrale parmi les passagers notamment vers la Malaisie.
Car enfin, les avions modernes peuvent très facilement rejoindre l'Asie sans cette escale improbable qui rajoute au bas mot 4 heures au voyage déjà bien éprouvant.
La situation est d'autant plus étonnante que les équipages sont entièrement occidentaux et la seule explication de cette montée en puissance de ces compagnies est le dumping social imposé aux pilotes et PNC.
Si cela continue nous n'aurons plus le choix qu'entre les low cost et le compagnies du golfe.
A méditer.😠😠😠
Ethiad avec ses consœurs Emirates, Quatar Airways Gulf Air ont fait des émirats un hub de communication antre l'Europe et l'Asie.
Cependant je m'interroge sur ce modèle économique qui nous impose une escale au milieu de la nuit et au milieu de nulle part.
Je passe sur la prière au décollage qui écorche un peu les oreilles du citoyen laïque, la référence permanente à la position de la Mecque et la proportion de citoyennes emiratis en burqa intégrale parmi les passagers notamment vers la Malaisie.
Car enfin, les avions modernes peuvent très facilement rejoindre l'Asie sans cette escale improbable qui rajoute au bas mot 4 heures au voyage déjà bien éprouvant.
La situation est d'autant plus étonnante que les équipages sont entièrement occidentaux et la seule explication de cette montée en puissance de ces compagnies est le dumping social imposé aux pilotes et PNC.
Si cela continue nous n'aurons plus le choix qu'entre les low cost et le compagnies du golfe.
A méditer.😠😠😠
Hello , je reviens tout juste de ma 5e visite en Thailande , et c'est la première fois que j'ai une mauvaise impression en rentrant chez moi .
Je tiens à dire que je suis resté sur l'autoroute touristique cette fois ci , donc ce n'est seulement qu'une impression dans ce contexte et non en dehors .
Mon dernier voyage remonte à 2010 dans ce pays .
Premierement : le sourire disparait de plus en plus , et il etait deja en perte dans les stations balneaires telles que Koh Samui , Phuket , Krabi , mais ici je trouve l'accueil parfois meme "agressive" , ou l'inverse completement blasé . Vous etes là pour cracher du fric et on vous le fait bien sentir , le tout avec une technique bien rodée.
Les prix ont augmenté , certains atteignent des sommets de stupidité comme ce pad thai kong à 200 baht dans un food center de phuket ... alors qu'on en trouve à 30 baht dans le nord du pays ... La bière elle aussi a prix de la valeur , le meme prix qu'en france . Heureusement , le rapport qualité/prix de l’hôtellerie reste excellent .
Deuxiemement : des travaux , des travaux partout ... impossible de dormir tranquille sans avoir un bruit de marteau , de perceuses , des chantier partout, puis des hotels en masse, des restos en masse, des massages/spa tous les 50metres . Saoulant .
Niveau environnement , la aussi ca devient franchement déguelasse . Les plages sont très sales hors saison , en particulierles plages de ko lanta jonchés de dechets , une vraie poubelle !! Les thailandais ne sont pas vraiment les amis de la terre mais les voire se ballader en ville ou au bord de plage avec des especes protegés comme les lemuriens et les gibbons pour les photos souvenirs des touristes , c'est gerbant .
Voila vraiment déçu de l'evolution de ce pays , si j'y retourne c'est pour le nord que j’affectionne , mais le nom de pays du "sourire " ne me semble plus approprié .
Allez aux philippines , de vrais sourires et des habitants vraiment sinceres et attachants .
Reader digest classement mondial des pays et villes ou il fait bon vivre
A partir de données différentes, nous avons aussi établi le classement de 72 des principales villes mondiales en termes de qualité de l’environnement et de la vie. Les données proviennent de différentes sources, dont The Millenium Cities Database for Sustainable Transport (une base de données sur 100 villes du monde réalisée par l’Union internationale des transports publics), publié en 2001 par Jeff Kenworthy et Felix Laube, de l’université australienne de Murdoch, des estimations du groupe de recherche sur le développement économique de la Banque mondiale, et de notre propre enquête pour toutes les informations concernant les lois sur l’environnement, les prix de l’énergie, la production d’ordures, le recyclage et la surface des parcs publics. 
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http://www.selectionclic.com/...interview.asp?id=184 LE LIEN FONCTIONNE PAS, pour trouver la totalite de l'enquete taper sur google : reader digest, puis on peut acceder cliquer le 1er en haut de pageBonjour,
Mon amie et moi partons au mois d'avril pour une durée indéterminée en direction du Cambodge en camion pour traverser l'ex-Yougoslavie, la Grèce, la Turquie, la Géorgie, l’Azerbaïdjan, la mer Caspienne, le Kazakhstan, la chine et enfin l'Asie du sud-est. Après avoir fait pas mal de recherches, on s'est vite rendues compte que la traversée de la frontière chinoise en véhicule était plutôt onéreuse et compliquée, on a donc décidé de laisser le camion au Kazakhstan pour continuer à pied et en transports en commun et passer la frontière chinoise à pied. Toujours est-il que les frontières chinoises ont l'air plutôt bien gardées et on se questionne sur l'obtention du visa chinois depuis le Kazakhstan. Quelqu'un saurait-il s'il est possible de l'obtenir à Astana? Ou bien plutôt à Istanbul? Ou dans un autre pays frontalier ou proche de la chine car nous serions en camion jusqu'au Kazakhstan et qu'à partir du moment où le visa est délivré, il nous reste seulement 3 mois pour passer la frontière chinoise.
Mon amie et moi partons au mois d'avril pour une durée indéterminée en direction du Cambodge en camion pour traverser l'ex-Yougoslavie, la Grèce, la Turquie, la Géorgie, l’Azerbaïdjan, la mer Caspienne, le Kazakhstan, la chine et enfin l'Asie du sud-est. Après avoir fait pas mal de recherches, on s'est vite rendues compte que la traversée de la frontière chinoise en véhicule était plutôt onéreuse et compliquée, on a donc décidé de laisser le camion au Kazakhstan pour continuer à pied et en transports en commun et passer la frontière chinoise à pied. Toujours est-il que les frontières chinoises ont l'air plutôt bien gardées et on se questionne sur l'obtention du visa chinois depuis le Kazakhstan. Quelqu'un saurait-il s'il est possible de l'obtenir à Astana? Ou bien plutôt à Istanbul? Ou dans un autre pays frontalier ou proche de la chine car nous serions en camion jusqu'au Kazakhstan et qu'à partir du moment où le visa est délivré, il nous reste seulement 3 mois pour passer la frontière chinoise.
pouvez vous me donner des infos sur le trajet BKK chiang mai avec air asia
quel aéroport? combien de temps faut il se presenter à l'aéroport avant embarquement?
et toutes vos infos sont les bienvenues.........
quel aéroport? combien de temps faut il se presenter à l'aéroport avant embarquement?
et toutes vos infos sont les bienvenues.........
Bonjour ,
Nous sommes une famille marocaines , résidentes au maroc et en aout 2019 je souhaiterai me rendre en asie du sud est pour faire un circuit vietnam combodge avec ma famille sur 3 semaines environs. Or en comparant les différentes compagnie aériennes je me rend compte que la seule qui est dans mon budget est Oman air , malgré les 2 escales mais lors de la réservation je vois que nous devrons faire une escale de 2 heures à muscat pour ensuite prendre un vol pour bangkok et encore une autre escale pour un vol vers hanoi mais le vol Bangkok-Hanoi est opéré par une autre compagnie , Vietnam airlines . et je me demande si pour la seconde escale à Bangkok , j'aurai besoin d'un visa ou je pourrai rester dans la zone de transit et mes bagages en soute transféré directement .
Merci beaucoup
Bonjour à tous, je pars le 26 oct. pour un voyage de 3 semaines au Myanmar. Je partirai de Montreal jusqu'à Bangkok et de là, je prévois prendre l'avion jusqu'à Rangoon.
Ma question est la suivante: Devrais-je acheter mon billet d'avion avant de partir ou puis-je me le procurer facilement et à un meilleur prix à l'aéroport de Bangkok.
De plus, j'arriverai à 11h00pm à l'aéroport de Bangkok, alors est-ce que vous auriez un hotel près de l'aéroport à me suggérer. Car j'imagine que je ne pourrai pas partir pour Rangoon le même soir.
Merci pour votre aide!
Catherine
Ma question est la suivante: Devrais-je acheter mon billet d'avion avant de partir ou puis-je me le procurer facilement et à un meilleur prix à l'aéroport de Bangkok.
De plus, j'arriverai à 11h00pm à l'aéroport de Bangkok, alors est-ce que vous auriez un hotel près de l'aéroport à me suggérer. Car j'imagine que je ne pourrai pas partir pour Rangoon le même soir.
Merci pour votre aide!
Catherine
Bonjour à tous,
Je dois me rendre à Bangkok dans deux semaines, et je n'arrive pas à trouver un plan/listing des bus à Bangkok. Je résiderai dans le quartier de l'école Patana, un peu en dehors de la ville, et de là j'ignore comment rejoindre le centre ville.
Autre problème, je ne comprend rien au système des bus thai. Même au Japon ça m'a semblé simple, mais là, on entre par où? on paye quand, combien? Je sais qu'il y a une vendeuse de tickets dans le bus mais je ne comprend pas le système.
Quelqu'un peut-il me renseigner?
D'avance merci!
Je dois me rendre à Bangkok dans deux semaines, et je n'arrive pas à trouver un plan/listing des bus à Bangkok. Je résiderai dans le quartier de l'école Patana, un peu en dehors de la ville, et de là j'ignore comment rejoindre le centre ville.
Autre problème, je ne comprend rien au système des bus thai. Même au Japon ça m'a semblé simple, mais là, on entre par où? on paye quand, combien? Je sais qu'il y a une vendeuse de tickets dans le bus mais je ne comprend pas le système.
Quelqu'un peut-il me renseigner?
D'avance merci!
Si j'arrive à trouver un billet dernière minute, je vais atterrir à Bangkok depuis la France. Mon ami fera le trajet en avion Chiang-Maï/Bangkok pr me rejoindre. Est -ce qu'il atterrira dans le même aéroport? Si oui, pouvez-vous me donner un point (facile à trouver) dans l'aéroport où on pourrait s'attendre?
Merci d'avance.
A+ avec certainement plein d'autres questions...
bonjour,
Nous allons en thailande pour la premiere fois. Nous atterissons le 3 septembre a 13h30 a bangkok et souhaitons nous rendre a koh phangan pour y etre pour la full moon party le 4. Je vois qu'il y a 3 possibilitées : avion, train ou bus puis bateau. Nous souhaiterions en priorité prendre le train de nuit. Cependant je ne trouve pas le moyen de réserver en ligne. quelqun aurait il le lien? faut il imperativement reserver a l'avance? et pour le bateau?
Merci
Nous allons en thailande pour la premiere fois. Nous atterissons le 3 septembre a 13h30 a bangkok et souhaitons nous rendre a koh phangan pour y etre pour la full moon party le 4. Je vois qu'il y a 3 possibilitées : avion, train ou bus puis bateau. Nous souhaiterions en priorité prendre le train de nuit. Cependant je ne trouve pas le moyen de réserver en ligne. quelqun aurait il le lien? faut il imperativement reserver a l'avance? et pour le bateau?
Merci
Bjr à tous les utilisateurs de VF.
Je pars pour le Cambodge en Janvier prochain et arrive sur Bangkok à l'aéroport Suvarnabhumi avec Qatar Airways.
Je suis à la rechercher du moyen de transport qui me permette de me rendre à Siem Reap .
Je ne souhaite pas rester sur Bangkok. J'aimerais trouver un vol qui parte du même aéroport si possible ou un bus sûr et rapide. En arrivant à l'aéroport à 12h10, il me semble devoir être possible de trouver un vol low cost pour le soir vers les 16/17 heures... Est il nécessaire avec une compagnie low cost de changer d'aéroport ? Est ce que les low cost opèrent de la même manière, comme Ryan Air ou autre pour la tarification des bagages, ou sont ils pris en charge en soute sans frais supplémentaires ? Qui a fait la même manoeuvre et qui peut m'aider à avance ? Merci à tous pour vos réponses.
Je pars pour le Cambodge en Janvier prochain et arrive sur Bangkok à l'aéroport Suvarnabhumi avec Qatar Airways.
Je suis à la rechercher du moyen de transport qui me permette de me rendre à Siem Reap .
Je ne souhaite pas rester sur Bangkok. J'aimerais trouver un vol qui parte du même aéroport si possible ou un bus sûr et rapide. En arrivant à l'aéroport à 12h10, il me semble devoir être possible de trouver un vol low cost pour le soir vers les 16/17 heures... Est il nécessaire avec une compagnie low cost de changer d'aéroport ? Est ce que les low cost opèrent de la même manière, comme Ryan Air ou autre pour la tarification des bagages, ou sont ils pris en charge en soute sans frais supplémentaires ? Qui a fait la même manoeuvre et qui peut m'aider à avance ? Merci à tous pour vos réponses.
Salut à tous, je suis nouveau ici, j'aimerais quelques renseignement ou tuyaux si possible, je suis allez en thailande dernièrement, c'était mon tout premier voyage de ma vie, j'ai passé 3 semaines a Bangkok, j'ai vraiment adoré le rythme de vie, c'était la ville mais il y avait des tonnes de chose a faire et a découvrir j'ai passé un très bon moment. Pour le mois d'Avril, disonsentre le 10 et 15, j'ai l'intention de me rendre sur Phuket.
Pour mon premier voyage j'avais pris la compagnie Thai airways car comme je l'ai dis, je n'ai aucune expérience et le voyage direct m'enlevais une grosse part de stress (mon principal stress est de rester coincé dans un pays parce que j'ai raté mon avion au changement)...
Du coup la j'ai regardé pour des vol directs vers Phuket, et surprise je n'en trouve aucun 😕
Je suis de Toulon, j'aimerais savoir d'après vous quel serait la manière la plus économique et SURTOUT la plus pratique et la plus simple d'aller sur Phuket en Avril, quel compagnie choisir etc je sais que j'ai la possibilité de m'arrêter à l'aéroport de Bangkok et ensuite de prendre un autre avion pour aller sur Phuket mais l'aéroport de BKK c'est limite une ville, pour mon premier voyage quelqu'un m'attendait dans cette aéroport mais la cette personne m'attendra à Phuket je vais me retrouver seul dans ce big aéroport a chercher mon avion pour aller a Phuket je ne sais pas si c'est la meilleure solution pour moi...
Voilà quelqu'un aurais une idée ?
merci pour votre aide !
PS : J'aimerais savoir aussi quel est le meilleur endroit pour acheter les billets, j'avais pris sur OPODO les premiers, je n'ai pas rencontré de soucis particulier mais c'est juste qu'ils sont totalement injoignable et quand ont arrive par miracle a avoir quelqu'un au bout du file, la personne dit qu'elle va vous rappeler dans 30min mais ne rappel jamais (ça m'est arrivé deux fois)...
Pour mon premier voyage j'avais pris la compagnie Thai airways car comme je l'ai dis, je n'ai aucune expérience et le voyage direct m'enlevais une grosse part de stress (mon principal stress est de rester coincé dans un pays parce que j'ai raté mon avion au changement)...
Du coup la j'ai regardé pour des vol directs vers Phuket, et surprise je n'en trouve aucun 😕
Je suis de Toulon, j'aimerais savoir d'après vous quel serait la manière la plus économique et SURTOUT la plus pratique et la plus simple d'aller sur Phuket en Avril, quel compagnie choisir etc je sais que j'ai la possibilité de m'arrêter à l'aéroport de Bangkok et ensuite de prendre un autre avion pour aller sur Phuket mais l'aéroport de BKK c'est limite une ville, pour mon premier voyage quelqu'un m'attendait dans cette aéroport mais la cette personne m'attendra à Phuket je vais me retrouver seul dans ce big aéroport a chercher mon avion pour aller a Phuket je ne sais pas si c'est la meilleure solution pour moi...
Voilà quelqu'un aurais une idée ?
merci pour votre aide !
PS : J'aimerais savoir aussi quel est le meilleur endroit pour acheter les billets, j'avais pris sur OPODO les premiers, je n'ai pas rencontré de soucis particulier mais c'est juste qu'ils sont totalement injoignable et quand ont arrive par miracle a avoir quelqu'un au bout du file, la personne dit qu'elle va vous rappeler dans 30min mais ne rappel jamais (ça m'est arrivé deux fois)...
La ville de Bangkok est elle bien desservie en tranports en commun?
j'ecris ce post car je pars pour la premiere dans un pays du sud est, et j'avoue que du coté de mon entourage, on m'y encourage pas du tout ( contrairement a VF 😉)
on me parle bcp de violence et exactions contre les habitants ( il me semble que c'est pas nouveau et tres localisé aux frontieres ), de vols multiples, de souches resistante de malaria, de chaleur etouffante pour un asthmatique ... bref bcp de clichés sur la thailande, reels ou pas .
Je voulais savoir quels sont vos pensees par rapport a ces faits, car j'en ai vraiment plein le dos du negativisme des gens d'ici ...
merci
on me parle bcp de violence et exactions contre les habitants ( il me semble que c'est pas nouveau et tres localisé aux frontieres ), de vols multiples, de souches resistante de malaria, de chaleur etouffante pour un asthmatique ... bref bcp de clichés sur la thailande, reels ou pas .
Je voulais savoir quels sont vos pensees par rapport a ces faits, car j'en ai vraiment plein le dos du negativisme des gens d'ici ...
merci
bonjour les routards!!!
j'aurais juste besoin de quelques renseignement...
voila je pars en thailande en aout septembre et j'aurais aimé pour le mois de septembre pousser jusqu'en indonesie la ou le tps est plus clement!!!
seulemnt voila... manque de tps et surtout manque d'argent, comment faire???
bateau? avion? descendre jusqu'en malaisie?
je suis un peu perdue...
tous les conseils sont les bienvenus;
merci!!!!
Coucou,
Etant donné qu'on dit toujours" la Thailande est un voyage à part", je souhaite donc partir derniere semaine de Janvier 2012 pour 15 jours.
Atterissage bangkok je suppose et après vous qui avez déjà visiter ce pays... si je revivais votre périple grace à vos conseils hotels?
Bugdet à prévoir sur place pour 15 jours?
Promis je vous envoie des photos en échange!
Etant donné qu'on dit toujours" la Thailande est un voyage à part", je souhaite donc partir derniere semaine de Janvier 2012 pour 15 jours.
Atterissage bangkok je suppose et après vous qui avez déjà visiter ce pays... si je revivais votre périple grace à vos conseils hotels?
Bugdet à prévoir sur place pour 15 jours?
Promis je vous envoie des photos en échange!
Pour renseignements j'ai réservé le 25 juin 2008 des billets d'avion pour Bangkok départ de zürich le 17 octobre 2008 l'agence de voyage m'a envoyé un mail le 04 aout pour me changer les heures de départ puis un mail le 19 aout pour cette fois changer ma date de retour soit je rentre un jour plus tôt soit je reste deux jours de plus sur place. Donc ma question est : ONT ILS LE DROIT DE M'IMPOSER CELA ??? Si non que puis je faire . Si j'accepte, est ce que j'ai le droit de demander à être indemnisé pour ces changements et comment faire ! En attente de vos réponses, mille merci d'avance.
Rassurez moi j'espère qu'ils ne vont pas me rétrécir mes vacances à 4 jours à la dernière minute !!!!!!!
Rassurez moi j'espère qu'ils ne vont pas me rétrécir mes vacances à 4 jours à la dernière minute !!!!!!!
bonjour à tous,
je présente un peu le contexte: j'habite à Mayotte, et nous fonctionnons ici au (très) bas débit, je dis cela parce que je sais qu'il y a pleins de blogs de voyage à visiter, mais ici, vraiment c'est impossible d'afficher des pages avec photos, de regarder des photos, encore moins des vidéos; tout fonctionne au super ralenti pr l'internet, les recherches sont très compliquées...
voilà nous partons mon ami et moi pr la thailande quasi 4 semaines en décembre/janvier de cette année. Je n'ai pas bcp avancé dans la prépa du voyage, j'ai commencé la lecture du lonely que j'ai à la maison mais il date de 1999, je me dis que sûrement bcp de choses ont changé car tout évolue à la vitesse grand V.
pr le moment, ce qui a retenu mon attention:
Bangkok, 4 à 5 jours à la fin du séjour
Chiang maî
mae Hong Son
Kanchanaburi
Ko Chang
Phuket
Krabi
Archipel de Samui
pour tout cela je ne suis pas très avancée, combien de temps, dans quel ordre, comment y aller, comment s'organiser sur place, ...
je sais que sûrement on ne pourra pas tout faire, en raison des distances entre les lieux... c'est pourquoi je fais appel à ceux qui ont déjà voyage là bas, à ceux qui vivent là bas.... que me conseilleriez vous? quels étapes choisir? comment organiser mon séjour là bas? quels modes de transport privilégier? combien de temps dans chaque étape? j'exclue un peu tout ce qui concerne la rando longue car mon ami a horreur de ça... des ballades faciles oui, mais pas de treks avec sac sur le dos, par contre tout ce qui tourne autour des activités nautiques oui, visites de sites traditionnels, découverte de la culture locale, ...
malgré les évènements actuels en thailande nous maintenons à l'heure actuelle notre voyage, tout simplement car nous vivons depuis 5 semaines ici à mayotte une situation très très difficile et que nous avons besoin aussi de nous changer les idées...
je compte sur vous pr partager avec moi vos idées d'itinéraires, votre expérience, vos bonnes adresses sur bangkok, et ailleurs... nous pensons à notre arrivée ne pas rester sur bangkok du tout, partir peut être tout de suite vers le nord, quel compagnie aérienne privilégier? comment réserver? quel logement sur bangkok si nous devons y rester seulement une nuit? (nous ne sommes pas à la recherche de grand confort, juste le minimum pr être bien!)
je vous remercie bcp...
à bientôt sur ce post...
malgré les évènements actuels en thailande nous maintenons à l'heure actuelle notre voyage, tout simplement car nous vivons depuis 5 semaines ici à mayotte une situation très très difficile et que nous avons besoin aussi de nous changer les idées...
je compte sur vous pr partager avec moi vos idées d'itinéraires, votre expérience, vos bonnes adresses sur bangkok, et ailleurs... nous pensons à notre arrivée ne pas rester sur bangkok du tout, partir peut être tout de suite vers le nord, quel compagnie aérienne privilégier? comment réserver? quel logement sur bangkok si nous devons y rester seulement une nuit? (nous ne sommes pas à la recherche de grand confort, juste le minimum pr être bien!)
je vous remercie bcp...
à bientôt sur ce post...
Actuellement le taux de change de l 'Euro en Baths en bourse sur le net est de 38.90 , un résident du forum peut il donner le cours du change sur place , sachant qu 'il subit une ponction pour commission bancaire.
Merci .
