Aller simple USA et vol retour du Canada lors d'un voyage à vélo
by Sebetlilie
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bonjour,
nous souhaitons voyager de phoenix a calgary (canada) a velo au printemps/ete 2015. Est il possible d arriver aux usa avec un aller simple, voyager jusqu a la frontiere canadienne (dans les 90 jours impartis bien sur) passer quelques semaines au canada puis de s envoler vers l europe depuis le canada (calgary ou edmonton) ?
nous aurons achetez evidemment les billets a l avance pour tenter de prouver notre bonne foi aux douaniers americains nous sommes actuellement en polynesie et pas d ambassade U.S en vue !
est ce que certains (tour du monde a velo par exemple ) ont deja ete dans cette situation ?
merci pour vos conseils
famille gauthier
Bonjour
Discussion abordée de nombreuses fois.
Pas de problemes particulier si vs avez un billet de retour CANADA->FRANCE.
Simplement, dans votre cas, vous aurez peut etre plus de questions de la paret de l'officier d'immigration, notamment car il seras pas sur que vs sortirez dans les 90 jours.
Très juste ce qu'écrit jpg.
Je crois que si vous présentez un itinéraire papier de votre voyage à l'agent ( dates, parcours, hôtel ou camping ) , même s'il ne peut être parfaitement exact , ça ne peut que vous aider .
Je crois que si vous présentez un itinéraire papier de votre voyage à l'agent ( dates, parcours, hôtel ou camping ) , même s'il ne peut être parfaitement exact , ça ne peut que vous aider .
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
nous souhaitons voyager de phoenix a calgary (canada) a velo au printemps/ete 2015. Est il possible d arriver aux usa avec un aller simple, voyager jusqu a la frontiere canadienne (dans les 90 jours impartis bien sur) passer quelques semaines au canada puis de s envoler vers l europe depuis le canada (calgary ou edmonton) ?
nous aurons achetez evidemment les billets a l avance pour tenter de prouver notre bonne foi aux douaniers américains.
Si ton retour du Canada était dans les +/-90jours certainement pas de pbl Mais si je comprend bien ce n'est pas le cas donc mm avec un retour a + de 90j du Canada n'ayant pas de billet (avion, bus ) de sortie des USA avant ces 90j ( je suppose ça se fera en vélo ) il faudra convaincre l'officier d'immigration en entrant et surtout sur le coté $$$ en poche car si il soupçonne que vous payez votre voyage avec des petits boulots ça et la, pas sur que ça "passe tout seul" Donc bien se préparer avec plein de $$$ un ou des petits rectangles de plastiques sésame apprécié et la a priori ça ira !
Si ton retour du Canada était dans les +/-90jours certainement pas de pbl Mais si je comprend bien ce n'est pas le cas donc mm avec un retour a + de 90j du Canada n'ayant pas de billet (avion, bus ) de sortie des USA avant ces 90j ( je suppose ça se fera en vélo ) il faudra convaincre l'officier d'immigration en entrant et surtout sur le coté $$$ en poche car si il soupçonne que vous payez votre voyage avec des petits boulots ça et la, pas sur que ça "passe tout seul" Donc bien se préparer avec plein de $$$ un ou des petits rectangles de plastiques sésame apprécié et la a priori ça ira !
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
merci pour vos reponses !
mais finalement le soucis n est peut etre pas le douanier mais les compagnies aeriennes qui ne veulent prendre aucun risque
j'ai telephone a hawaian airlines qui est la compagnie la moins chere pour un aller simple polynesie-usa et ils ne sont pas certains de nous laisse monter dans l'avion (vu le prix et que nous sommes 4 ca serait un peu facheux)
il semble que le plus sure soit d acheter un billet pas cher de sortie bidon depuis les USA vers l amerique centrale ou un billet remboursable pour une destination X...en gros le mensonge est une meilleure garantie
enfin on continu de reflechir au probleme pour assurer le coup
famille gauthier
Bonjour
Bonjour :
1) ce n'est pas le "douanier" qui pose probleme mais l'immigration.
2) Les compagnies ne font que leur boulot : si un passager est refoulé à l'entrée aux USA, elle doivent le rapatrier à leur frais, et elles paient une amende.
3) Comme déjà dit de nombreuses fois ici, le plus simple est de prende un billet modifiable.
Bonjour :
1) ce n'est pas le "douanier" qui pose probleme mais l'immigration.
2) Les compagnies ne font que leur boulot : si un passager est refoulé à l'entrée aux USA, elle doivent le rapatrier à leur frais, et elles paient une amende.
3) Comme déjà dit de nombreuses fois ici, le plus simple est de prende un billet modifiable.
et oui nous savons tres bien que chacun fait son travail, il y a des lois concernant l immigration a nous touristes de les respecter .... le seul probleme c est que c est un peu aleatoire
Dans notre cas la compagnie aerienne n est pas capable de te dire avec certitude si elle va t accepter a bord ou non, et le service de l immigration peut t accepter ou te refouler (et ca semble tout de meme un peu dependre "du douanier" que tu rencontres....)
a nous de prendre les devants pour eviter tout malentendu, de fournir les documents necessaires et c est bien pour ca qu on se renseigne mais on est comme tout le monde si on peut eviter d acheter un billet factice ou un billet modifiable alors qu on en a pas l utilite (car tout ca a un cout surtout pour une famille de 4 en tout cas sur la compagnie qui nous interesse)
on s adaptera reste seulement a savoir quel sont les regles exact du jeu si il y en a ...nous continuons les recherches !
seblilieandco
Le probleme est justement que c'est l'agent de l'immigration à votre arrivée qui a tout "pouvoir" d'accepter ou non votre entrée sur le territoire US.
C'est effectivement très aléatoire.
Ce n'est pas non plus le fait du prince d'une seule personne, car le refus d'entrée est quand même validée ou non par la hierarchie du service de l'immigration du port d'entrée.
Mais dans les faits, ce ne sont quand même pas des cerbères completement butés. Les principaux problemes rencontrés le sont par des jeunes, pas installés dans leur pays d'origine, sur lesquels pesent un fort soupçon qu'ils puissent rester aux USA longtemps, et y travailler.
Ce n'est pas non plus le fait du prince d'une seule personne, car le refus d'entrée est quand même validée ou non par la hierarchie du service de l'immigration du port d'entrée.
Mais dans les faits, ce ne sont quand même pas des cerbères completement butés. Les principaux problemes rencontrés le sont par des jeunes, pas installés dans leur pays d'origine, sur lesquels pesent un fort soupçon qu'ils puissent rester aux USA longtemps, et y travailler.
oui c est ce qu on pense...avec nos velos, notre matos de camping, les enfants, les passeports bien remplis venant de polynesie on a peut etre l air de nomades mais pas trop le profil de migrants potentiels
apres reste a etre bien prepare a garde un calme a toute epreuve quoiqu il arrive !
en tout cas merci de prendre le temps de repondre c est tres sympa
sebetlilie
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There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies





