Je fais passer par cargo (containeur) mon scooter Piaggio Liberty 125 cm3 du Havre à Buenos Aires.
Date d'arrivée prévue 18 décembre 2007.
Je reste dans le continent sud-américain environ 12 à 15 mois, et je vais sillonner différents pays (Argentine, Chili, Bolivie, Pérou, Equateur et retour Pérou, Bolivie, Paraguay, Brésil pour finir par la Guyane Française et retour en métropole (début 2009)
Je ne sais pas si je dois faire établir un carnet de passage en douanes par mon Automobile-Club local (à Chambéry en l'occurence) ... eux-mêmes ne savent pas si ceci est obligatoire pour un 2 roues .... un comble !
Appel à l'aide de nos amis motards !!!
Ceux qui sont allés déjà en Amérique du sud avec leur engin, ont-ils été obligé de présenter ce "foutu" carnet ou non ?
Sinon tout ce que je sais c'est que tu devras prendre une assurance sur le territoire argentin pour pouvoir y circuler.
Ensuite à chaque frontière je pense que tu vas devoir dedouaner et pour cela il te faudra peut-être bien un chti carnet...
Par contre tu auras intérêt à avoir une sacré autonomie; 250 kms mini pour être bien ainsi qu'un bon antivol.
Les distances ici sont immenses... un petit voyage entre Buenos Aires, Rosario, Santiago del Estero, Tucuman, La Rioja et San luis ce sont déjà 4000kms.
Pour ne pas rater les embranchements rien ne vaut un roadbook avec les kilometrages car les panneaux indicateurs sont assez rares (faut pas s'etonner de na pas voir de panneau indiquant l'entrée d'une rocade par exemple).
En gros perso je le déconseillerais ou alors en groupe.
Il y a quelqu'un dans un autre sujet qui a aussi posté des infos sur un voyage en argentine à moto; peut-être pouvez vous voir à deux...
🙂Salut Laurent
Merci pour ta réponse et aussi merci pour le lien du blog
Je vais écrire à ces deux motards qui, sans doute, ont des trésors d'informations à m'apprendre !
En raison d'imprévus divers (et aussi parce que ma mère qui est tombée gravement malade), je retarde mon voyage en Amérique du Suid d'un an ...
J'ai dit retardé, pas annulé ... au contraire je vais pouvoir peaufiner les détails, et continuer à équiper mon scooter.
Tu as dit que tu pensais partir en 2008 ? 2009 ? en Argentine ? pour un raid en moto ? seul ou à plusieurs ?
C'est vrai qu'on habite loin de l'autre, mais si tes pas te conduisent du côté de chez moi, je serai très heureux de t'accueillir le temps que tu veux.
Alors, merci encore, cher Laurent et à bientôt, j'espère !
Amicalement 😉
René
je bouge aussi en novembre 2008 avec mon copain en Argentine et nous mettrons notre 4*4 sur le cargo mais en soute. Pour le carnet de passage en douane, j'ai des amis qui ont ammené leur camion la bas depuis 2ans et jamais aux frontieres on ne leur a demandé. Je vais leur redemandé au niveau des formalités mais pour nous, on paiera s'il le faut aux frontieres car c'est bien trop cher à l'automobile club!
Bonne préparation de voyage et peut-etre à l'année prochaine !
Marionnetta
désolé d'entendre que tu risques de devoir remettre à l'année prochaine en espérant que cela s'améliore malgré tout.
Je suis déjà en Argentine pour la 4éme fois et c'est pour cela que j'ai tendance à refroidir un peu ceux qui veulent faire l'argentine vite à moto...
Ai fait un tour en voiture de 4000kms (BA-Rosario-Santiago Del Estero, La Rioja, Catamarca, San Luis et tucuman (dans le désordre) ce qui me fait dire que faire l'argentine à moto ce n'est pas le pied (longues lignes droites, pompes à essence parfois très éparses)... maintenant si on a deux ans pour le faire là...
vitesse moyenne en voiture avec des arrêts tous les 700kms est de 70km/h; à moto je pense que cela devrait être de l'ordre de 50km/h.
Par contre comme je l'indiquais il faut se faire un road book avec les kilometrages; les panneaux indicateurs même en entrée de ville sont denrées rares. Compter le nombre d'embranchements n'est pas beaucoup plus utile et surtout il existe pas mal de routes dans l'interieur qui sont en terre.
Pour les cartes je conseille celle de YPF plus que celle de l'ACA car
1 elles sont en format de botin (avec infos touristiques (restreintes))
2 quel que soit la province les échelles sont toujours les même ( ce qui evite lorsque l'on change de carte de se retrouver avec un m... hier cela parraissait aussi long sur la carte mais l'echelle etait deux fois plus grande)
3 contient un mini plan des villes.
Pour des infos, Tu peux aussi envoyer un mail au magazine belge moto80 qui a publié l'année passée le voyage d'un belge autour du monde et notamment son passage par l'argentine. Si je ne me trompe pas le magazine moto-loisirs (toujours belge) à aussi paru un circuit sur la patagonie (année passée ou 2007). Les deux magazines ont une adresse internet.
Maintenant comme je l'ai ecris dans l'autre sujet je le ferai probablement mais en Side-car.
Pour
1 être plus facilement visible des routiers qui roulent à 120 sur des route 1*1 (surtout de nuit)
2 l'autonomie et l'emport
3 la peur de la gamelle.
4 le côté exotique qui fait que l'on devient une curiosité et donc on peut se faire ouvrir certaines portes
(il existe aussi des petits sides pour scooter... (velorex si je m'abuse))
Dans mon cas je reprendrai probablement ma moto (voxan) et tâcherai d'aller jusqu'au paraguay où il existe un monteur de side (le seul que j'ai trouvé dans la zone paraguay-argentine-chili...) http://www.sidecardelparaguay.com/
Pour ce qui est du carnet tu peux envoyer un mail à l'A.C.A (automobil club argentina) en spécifiant bien tout (véhicule etranger circulant avec plaque etrangère) mais je pense qu'un carnet est demandé dû aux très nombreux vols de ce type d'engins (les deux roues).
Merci pour long message plein de conseils et de sites internets qui me seront très utiles !
J'espère faire mon voyage dès novembre 2008 .. encore un an ... toujours en scooter (je suis très bien informé des risques que je prends !) mais pour moi, le deux roues, c'est le symbole de la liberté !
Alors, qui vivra verra ..
Bon, en tout cas, mon cher Laurent, j'espère qu'on aura l'occasion de se faire une bonne poignée de mains et une bonne cerveza autour d'un bon petit plat dans une gargotte des Andes ou d'ailleurs.
Merci mon cher Laurent
Une bise fraternelle
René 🙂
NB Comme je vais déménager à Avignon (Vaucluse) d'ici un mois (je vais y rester 10/11 mois) je vais changer mon pseudo sur VF
Mon nouveau pseudo sera "Perelingot"
Allez salut, gentil routard globetrotteur !
René
juste que dans la discussion http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1363646; d'autres ont rajouté un mot sur les voyages à moto en argentine.
Un lien interressant pour toi est le mail de Arvella envoyé sur le site de vincent danna http://vincent.danna.free.fr/infos/argentine.html où il y a notamment un lien sur le passage de frontières.
Salut, en descendant vers le Sud, prépare toi une escale à Esquel(beau jeu de mot :o)). j'y suis souvent alors contact moi avant de partir car j'y serai peut être et ça te fera un point de chute voir du secours au cas où....
surtout n'hésite pas
et là il y a plein de photos et une adresse relevée chaque jour ou presque
alors bonne préparation, tu me donne envie d'y emmener ma FJ 1200
Salut a bientôt peut être
Concernant tes peurs, c'est un pays sans gros problemes, j'y suis partiellement depuis janvier 2002 et jamais d'ennuis
est tu parti ???
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I’ll have the prescription with me.
Will this be a problem at customs, and do I need to declare it?
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The vehicle registration lists my company as the owner.
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I’m writing to ask for some info—I’ve heard that you **must** have travel insurance to land in Zanzibar.
What’s the process, and which insurance should I get?
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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I’m a French citizen living in Switzerland, and I set up an RV LLC in Montana, USA. Through that, I was able to register 3 vehicles (an RV, a Jeep, and a Harley) with Montana plates.
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Can anyone give me some advice?
Hi, are there any travelers who’ve recently crossed the border between Karakalpakstan (Uzbekistan) and Beineu in Kazakhstan?
It was closed for a while.
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My passport expires 3 weeks after the return date.
Some websites say the passport must be valid for 3 months at the time of entry.
However, it will still be valid both on entry and return, but its validity will only be 1 month at the time of entry (and 3 weeks on the return date, everything prepaid).
It's an individual family trip.
The consulate can't give me an answer—they're still looking into it (really!)
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This year, it’s a disaster for us—not only were we planning a 4-month stay, adding a visa run in between (which some say is quite risky), but the law is apparently changing in the coming months with the return of the 1-month exemption (plus the usual 1-month option). So, we looked into applying for a 6-month multiple-entry visa, allowing a maximum of 60 consecutive days in Thailand. However, I can’t find anywhere the minimum time required outside Thailand between two stays—do any of you have an idea?
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Hello,
We’ll soon be moving to Madagascar long-term.
As a French national, I need to obtain a short-stay visa that can be converted to a long-stay one. To do this, I have to send the required documents to the Madagascar embassy in Paris.
No issues with that procedure so far.
If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
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Hi there,
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Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
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Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival?
Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient?
Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
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Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
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Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
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From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window.
The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days.
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If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period.
In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th.
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We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
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Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
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