Merci de vos conseils et retours!
Belgique - Hollande à vélo et retour par train
by Malditx
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Nous commençons à préparer notre périple pour cet été, et à priori c'est parti pour un tour Belgique et Hollande sur 3 semaines environ.
Habitant sur Paris, on se demande si on peut partir de Paris et rentrer en train, o partir en train et rentrer en vélo ou partir et rentrer en train. (Quand je parle là de train, je veux dire sans avoir à démonter les vélos). J'ai cherché sur la SNCF, sur le forum et sur des blogs des membres du forum, mais j'ai l'impression que les informations sont contradictoires (ou que je ne comprends rien).
Peut-on prendre un train Paris-Bruxelles avec les vélos sans démonter?
Par rapport aux fameuses cartes LF, sont-elles toujours d'actualité (et d'utilité)? Un message du forum datant de 2013 disait ne plus être éditées. Si non, nous sommes preneurs d'autres cartes (le top du top serait si elles relient la Belgique et la Hollande).
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Merci de vos conseils et retours!
Je viens de faire 1 semaine aux Pays-Bas. Habitant Lille, j'ai pris le train jusque Bruges (coût du vélo 8€ car 2 trains; changement à Courtrai) Billet pour le vélo non vendu en France mais achetable par internet.
Pour les cartes, il y a plusieurs éditeurs. Certaines cartes sont vendues aux VVV (office du tourisme) . D'autres sont vendues dans les librairies/presse ou les 2. Je préfère celle éditées par 'Falk' aux 1:50 000. www.falk.nl. Tout y est , les LF et les noeuds et liaison, les campings, (mais avec des erreurs, certains campings indiqués n'existent pas.) mais les cartes sont assez chères (9€). j'ai du en acheter 5.
Pour la Belgique, on trouve les cartes dans les offices du tourisme.
Acheter ces cartes par avance me semble difficile.
Avec un GPS, on peut préparer son trajet avec https://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx par exemple.
Bonjour,
je me déplace souvent en train plus vélo, il faut ruser avec le système pour y arriver Oui Voyage dispose maintenant d'une option un peu cachée une fois défini ton voyage clique sur plus de critères, puis descends tu trouvera nouveau voyager avec son vélo coche les cases désirées, tu aura des propositions pour voyager avec ton vélo.
Je me sert beaucoup de cette carte qui me permet de voir commet est desservi la france, malheureusement quand le TGV dessert une ville difficile de trouver un trajet en Ter ou Intercité, le système est conçu pour vous envoyer sur les TGV, a ce moment la je ruse en coupant ma demande en 2 grâce à la carte du réseau que tu trouvera ici : https://www.sncf-reseau.fr/sites/default/files/upload/_Carte/2018/Carte_RFN_2018.pdf
En partant ou de retour à Paris tu peux aller jusqu'à Calais Ville tu as le choix entre TGV proposé automatiquement par le site et Intercité en programmant un Paris Boulogne, puis un Boulogne Calais, à partir de la la côte est très belle, il y a beaucoup de pistes cyclables pour monter vers le nord. Je prends régulièrement la ligne jusqu'à Abbeville sans soucis, c'est le même train qui monte jusqu'à Boulogne. A destination ou au retour de Dunkerque les vélo sont accepté en payant 10 euros. Tu peux aussi partir ou rentrer par Maubeuge avec un Intercité, les pistes cyclables 85 km pour monter jusqu'à Bruxelles sont très sympa, je l'ai pris en rentrant d'un balade en Belgique. Aller juqu'à Bruxelles en train sans démonter les vélos me parait impossible, restent les Cars qui prennent en charge les vélos sous conditions
En partant ou de retour à Paris tu peux aller jusqu'à Calais Ville tu as le choix entre TGV proposé automatiquement par le site et Intercité en programmant un Paris Boulogne, puis un Boulogne Calais, à partir de la la côte est très belle, il y a beaucoup de pistes cyclables pour monter vers le nord. Je prends régulièrement la ligne jusqu'à Abbeville sans soucis, c'est le même train qui monte jusqu'à Boulogne. A destination ou au retour de Dunkerque les vélo sont accepté en payant 10 euros. Tu peux aussi partir ou rentrer par Maubeuge avec un Intercité, les pistes cyclables 85 km pour monter jusqu'à Bruxelles sont très sympa, je l'ai pris en rentrant d'un balade en Belgique. Aller juqu'à Bruxelles en train sans démonter les vélos me parait impossible, restent les Cars qui prennent en charge les vélos sous conditions
Voyageur en vélo électrique classique ou pliant
Il y a l option Dunkerque vous pouvez prendre le Tgv avec votre velos.A Dunkerque vous etes a 10 km des pistes cyclabe belges .les cartes pour la belgique etla Hollande on les trouvent dans les librairies en belgiques. Si vous toujours partant pour ce voyage contacter moi en mp je pourrais eventuellement vous fournir les cartes
Bonsoir ,
Étant également en train de preparer les vacances en vélo en Hollande , mon soucis du jour est de trouver comment rallier Breda en train avec les vélos? ou bien aller à Dunkerque en train et rejoindre la Hollande en vélo ? Ou bien faire du blablacar jusqu'à Bruxelles et louer les vélos pour 10 jours ? Mon autre questionnement : est ce possible de faire Dunkerque -Amsterdam par la LF1 et retour par la LF4 en 10 jours? Si on compte une moyenne de 7kms par jours ?
Pour les cartes de Hollande , j'ai commende sur le site Landelijk Fietplatform Www.Nederlandfietsland.nl Cartes 1:100.000 Il y aussi des sites avec application pour les campings natures Bref, il faut bien farfouiller pour avoir des informations !
Merci d'avance pour vos trucs et astuces afin de préparer au mieux ce voyage !
Étant également en train de preparer les vacances en vélo en Hollande , mon soucis du jour est de trouver comment rallier Breda en train avec les vélos? ou bien aller à Dunkerque en train et rejoindre la Hollande en vélo ? Ou bien faire du blablacar jusqu'à Bruxelles et louer les vélos pour 10 jours ? Mon autre questionnement : est ce possible de faire Dunkerque -Amsterdam par la LF1 et retour par la LF4 en 10 jours? Si on compte une moyenne de 7kms par jours ?
Pour les cartes de Hollande , j'ai commende sur le site Landelijk Fietplatform Www.Nederlandfietsland.nl Cartes 1:100.000 Il y aussi des sites avec application pour les campings natures Bref, il faut bien farfouiller pour avoir des informations !
Merci d'avance pour vos trucs et astuces afin de préparer au mieux ce voyage !
lise
Oui c'est bien une moyenne de 70 kms !
Guichet de gare en grève aujourd'hui ..
lise
Bonjour,
On envisage de rentrer Amsterdam - Bruxelles en train, puis emprunter ces pistes dont vous parliez jusqu'à Maubeuge, puis train pour Paris.
Pourriez-vous nous dire un peu plus sur cette liaison Bruxelles-Maubeuge? J'avoue que j'appréhende un peu quitter Bruxelles en vélo.
Bonjour Malditx
J’ai souvenir d’un retour très sympa avec de belles voie velo de memoire nous sommes passés le long de canaux, notamment un système d’assenseur à péniches, la ville Binche, nous sommes arrivés a maubeuge par un joli canal, je n’ai pas le souvenir que la sortie de Bruxelles aie été dit difficile d’autant plus que les automobilistes belges sont en général plus respectueux que les Français, regarde le site Cycle Travel ils affichent toutes les pistes cyclables http://cycle.travel/map tu pourra quitter Bruxelles par le Rv1 ou la Rv10, je trace mon parcours, l’exporte dans mon tel, grâce à un lecteur de trace GPS j’ai en permanence la route à suivre cela me permet de facilement m’orienter.
J’ai souvenir d’un retour très sympa avec de belles voie velo de memoire nous sommes passés le long de canaux, notamment un système d’assenseur à péniches, la ville Binche, nous sommes arrivés a maubeuge par un joli canal, je n’ai pas le souvenir que la sortie de Bruxelles aie été dit difficile d’autant plus que les automobilistes belges sont en général plus respectueux que les Français, regarde le site Cycle Travel ils affichent toutes les pistes cyclables http://cycle.travel/map tu pourra quitter Bruxelles par le Rv1 ou la Rv10, je trace mon parcours, l’exporte dans mon tel, grâce à un lecteur de trace GPS j’ai en permanence la route à suivre cela me permet de facilement m’orienter.
Voyageur en vélo électrique classique ou pliant
Bonsoir,
J'espère que vous avez fait un beau voyage l'année dernière ?
je reviens sur le forum et en profite pour prendre des infos car vous avez du allez en Hollande l'été dernier .
J'étais également en plein préparatifs partir pour 2 semaines mais comme ca me paraissais un peu juste au niveau du temps , j'avais un plan B .
Nous avons optés pour train +vélo jusqu'à Caen puis passer par Bayeux, St Fromont, St lo, Vire,
mont St Michel , Cancale et St Malo avec retour en train . Une très belle ballade !
Mais cette année , j'ai trois semaines ! je pense prendre le train La Rochelle - Paris , Paris -Denkerque et prendre le vélo direction Bruges puis Sluis puis suivre la LF1 jusqu'à Amsterdam puis redescendre par Diemen, Huizen, Abcoude , Ultrecht, Maarsen, Gouda , Rotterdam, Dordrecht puis prendre le train pour rejoindre Middelbourg et enfin pédaler jusqu'à Denderque afin de reprendre le train direction La Rochelle .
qu'en penses tu ? j'ai les cartes detaillées des pistes avec des indications pour les campings , mais j'aimerais trouver un catalogue qui répertori tous les campings. j'ai un peu peur qu'il y ai moins de campings dans les terres .
A bientôt , Lise
Mais cette année , j'ai trois semaines ! je pense prendre le train La Rochelle - Paris , Paris -Denkerque et prendre le vélo direction Bruges puis Sluis puis suivre la LF1 jusqu'à Amsterdam puis redescendre par Diemen, Huizen, Abcoude , Ultrecht, Maarsen, Gouda , Rotterdam, Dordrecht puis prendre le train pour rejoindre Middelbourg et enfin pédaler jusqu'à Denderque afin de reprendre le train direction La Rochelle .
qu'en penses tu ? j'ai les cartes detaillées des pistes avec des indications pour les campings , mais j'aimerais trouver un catalogue qui répertori tous les campings. j'ai un peu peur qu'il y ai moins de campings dans les terres .
A bientôt , Lise
lise
Bonjour,
Excuse-moi, je n'avais pas vu ton message.
Le périple de l'été dernier s'est très bien passé, un voyage de rêve.
Nous n'avons pas fait le même parcours que tu envisages, mais franchement en Hollande aucun soucis, leur systèmes des noeuds est tout simplement génial pour se repérer.
Concernant les campings, au contraire ça peut être plus compliqué le long de la côte. En Hollande on a suivi la LF1 jusqu'à Den Helder et des fois on devait rentrer dans les terres pour avoir un camping, mais rien de méchant (plein mois d'août). Le bon plan: le camping à la ferme. Pas cher, calmes, ambiance familiale...
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The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php


The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
Hi everyone,
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Hi there,
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Hi there,
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Hi! I’m planning to visit the Stockholm Archipelago by bike in early April.
Do you know if the boats will be running between the different islands at that time of year? For those who’ve already been, all your tips and recommendations are welcome—accommodation, etc. Also, do you know where I can rent a bike in Stockholm? Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hello there, pedal-powered Young Boys!
Claudio (still from Faverges)
dreaming about a cycling getaway in Italy from Faverges (train all the way to Turin)
from Turin down to Venice along the Po River and back via the Padana (Alta Italia da attraversare – Northern Italy to cross)
The tricky part is getting from Chioggia to Venice.
I read it’s possible by hopping on a boat from island to island,
but it sounds a bit stressful.
Has anyone already tackled this route?
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio
