12 pays en 12 jours, tel est le superbe voyage que proposent des agences chinoises à leurs clients avides de découverte de l'Europe. C'est un ami chinois, consterné par une telle offre ridicule qui m'a dit que c'était une formule très populaire.
Pour remplir le quota de 12 pays, on n'hésite pas à faire des détours par San Marin et Monaco lors de la traversée de la France et de l'Italie. Les voyageurs chinois sont très contents comme ça. La plus grande partie du voyage se déroule dans un bus, avec un ou deux arrêts photos chaque jour, devant le monument d'une capitale, mais pas plus, car sinon on ne peut pas tenir le rythme et on ne peut donc pas "faire" 12 pays.
Mon ami n'avait pas pris cette option, mais avec sa femme, il sont partis en Europe l'année dernière. En raison des difficultés de sa femme pour obtenir un visa, ils ont été obligés de prendre un tour organisé, alors que mon ami, qui voyage beaucoup pour son boulot, aurait été parfaitement capable et aurait préféré voyager en indépendant. Ce qui m'a le plus choqué (et lui aussi) n'est même pas le fait qu'ils aient mangé chinois à TOUS les repas, ni que l'une des rares visites à Paris soit aux Galeries Lafayette, mais quand il m'a dit qu'ils n'avaient eu qu'une demi-journée à consacrer à Rome, j'ai bondi! Et lui était honteux. Que certains chinois s'en contentent, je peux le concevoir, mais pour lui qui est si cultivé et qui s'intéresse vraiment aux pays qu'il visite, ça devait vraiment être une terrible torture.
Ce qui est vraiment terrifiant, c'est qu'une majorité de chinois sont persuadés que le voyage c'est ça. Vous me direz que les occidentaux sont capables de faire presque pareil, mais est-ce vraiment dans les mêmes proportions? Une demi-journée à Rome, quand même...
... le résultat recherché est-il comme au Japon de pouvoir de positionner socialement en apportant la preuve qu'on a voyagé dans tous ces pays d'Europe ?
Il est en effet vraisemblable que le but de ce voyage est plus de pouvoir dire "je l'ai fait" que de le vivre. Les photos apportent un plus non négligeables.
J'ignorais que c'était aussi dans la mentalité japonaise.
A la réflexion, je me souviens avoir vu un car de touristes chinois déverser sa cargaison devant "le" site photogénique de Luxembourg ville. Les chinois sont descendus, ont craché, ont pris quelques photos, et sont remontés dans le bus, avant qu'on n'ait eu le temps de respirer.
Je me demandais ce que des touristes chinois venaient faire au Luxembourg pour juste prendre une photo, mais je suppose maintenant qu'ils faisaient partie de ces heureux groupes.
cette façon de faire n est pas l apanage des chinois malheureusement les japonais bien sur (qui se moque bien de ce qu ils voient du moment qu ils sont sur la photo
les americains qui font :londres paris riviera rome amsterdam en DIX jours et qui disent" on a FAIT l europe
mais aussi bcp de français pour qui partir 15 jours dans un pays est avant tout de voir un max sans essayer de comprendre le pays
c est un fait qui malheureusement est le resultat de notre societe de tout et tout de suite
jipi le zanatany
le voyage permet de garder l esprit ouvert aux autres
Dans un train en suisse, j'ai rencontré une femme japonaise, cadre chez Siemens. Elle avait pris 7 jours de congés. Au programme : Bâle, Colmar, Paris, Amsterdam, Florence, Naples.... On est efficaces où on l'est pas!! En général, dans chaque ville, elle voyait un misée. Pour Colmar, juste une oeuvre du musée. Il faut dire qu'elle voyageait essentiellement en train!
Je ne suis pas un rat de musée, loin de là, mais une fois tous les 6 ans, passer au Prado remet les choses en place.
J'étais donc au Prado à Madrid il y a trois jours, j'entends un groupe de chinois. Etonné, je les les suis par pure curiosité et il faut dire que ça faisait aussi 3 heures que je rêvassais avec émotion, un peu de sport ne pouvait me faire que du bien.
Ils passent à côté du Greco en courant, croisent Gérôme Bosh sans un coup d'oeuil, Rembrandt, Rubens et Goya subissent un sprint sans une pause et arrivent devant l'objet de leur visite au Prado: "Les Ménines" de Velázquez. Après exactement trois photos chacun (posant devant l'œuvre), deux minutes, 17 secondes et deux dixièmes, ils décampent. Direction: la sortie. Ils devaient probablement faire partie de ces "12 pays en 12 jours"...
Ils n'ont pas craché, c'est déjà ça!
Mais à la réflexion, peut-on réellement leur en vouloir? Qui de vous connait Ba Da Shanren et surtout qui de vous est ému devant un de ses poissons ou fleurs? C'est une question de culture.
Doit-on leur jeter la pierre pour autant? Ils viennent à peine de pouvoir sortir de leur pays de la sorte, laissons-leur un peu de temps... et surtout ont-ils réellement le choix? Je veux dire par là, peuvent-ils voyager autrement?
J'ai connu aussi beaucoup d'européens qui "font" la Chine en 10 jours... je pense que ce n'est pas mieux.
Les Chinois manquent de temps libre...
D'ailleurs je suppose que Patrick, pour avoir comme tout le monde sa semaine de vacances nationales début mai, à travaillé tout le week-end y compris le dimanche 😉....
Effectivement, j'etais au bureau ce samedi et ce dimanche. Mais je suis parti relativement tot hier pour attraper mon vol pour Hong Kong.
Ceux qui auraient des velleites de me faire remarquer que passer par HK puis Pekin pour rejoindre l'Ouzbekistan n'est pas le chemin le plus direct sont pries de ne rien en faire.
Ceux qui seraient tente de me faire egalement remarquer que je passe 4 nuits d'affilee dans 4 villes differentes (Shanghai, HK, Pekin, Samarkand) en enchainant 4 avions en 48 heures, et que cela est un peu en contradiction avec la lecon de morale que j'ai initiee dans ce fil, sont egalement pries de s'abstenir. 😛
Dans les années 90, j'ai souvent croisé des groupes de jeunes Australiens qui venaient de réussir leur bac et auxquels les parents payaient un tour d'Europe de 21 jours (c'est mieux que 10...). Leur occupation principale: téléphoner à la maison et remplir une croquis de l'Australie sur le sol de canettes de bière vides ! Les guides étaient désespérés et totalement stressés !
Actuellement, ce sont les groupes de jeunes Indiens qui sont en vogue... pour eux, c'est 15 jours, obligation pour les hôtelliers de leur servir de la cuisine indienne (avantage: ça donne du boulot aux tamouls qui vivent en Suisse).
Très à la mode aussi: les mariages de couples japonais au sommet du "Top of Europe", en pleine neige. Ils restent sur place 2-3 jours, puis continuent leur voyage de noce au pas de course dans quelques capitales d'Europe ! Nous avons quelques agences spécialisées dans ce genre d'arrangement.
Les agences chinoises n'ont rien inventé de neuf... ce type de voyage express est répandu depuis longtemps. Dommage !
Marianne
T'ain Yang! "Faire" 4 villes, 4 avions, 6000 bornes en 48 heures, tu charries là! 😛
Dans le fond, t'es comme le communisme chinois "faites ce que je dis, pas ce que je fais même si c'est en contradiction fondamentale avec ma pensée"!😛 Tu es relativement en phase avec ta nouvelle patrie. Cohérent donc. 😛
Ca, pour ne pas déranger, c'est gagné !
et pourtant ça me dérange un peu quand même de penser qu'on pourrait en venir là aussi, dans notre contexte de sur-consommation. Ce qui me dérange aussi, c'est que ces pauvres moutons voyageurs, ne se rendent même pas compte de l'inutilité d'un tel périple. Les photos, on en regorge sur tous les sites de voyages, alors pourquoi dépenser tant d'énergie et d'argent à se déplacer physiquement, dans de telles conditions ? Vraiment ça m'interroge !
Geli
Ca, pour ne pas déranger, c'est gagné !
et pourtant ça me dérange un peu quand même de penser qu'on pourrait en venir là aussi, dans notre contexte de sur-consommation. Ce qui me dérange aussi, c'est que ces pauvres moutons voyageurs, ne se rendent même pas compte de l'inutilité d'un tel périple. Les photos, on en regorge sur tous les sites de voyages, alors pourquoi dépenser tant d'énergie et d'argent à se déplacer physiquement, dans de telles conditions ? Vraiment ça m'interroge !
Geli
... la réponse est simple : on y est pas, sur les photos des sites internet ! 😛
... et en ces temps de pandémie du culte de l'égo, le plus important, tu l'auras compris, est d'être sur la photo ... et peu importent les siècles d'histoire, de culture ou la beauté des sites naturels devant lesquels on pose ! 🙁
A mon avis les Chinois qui découvrent le tourisme à l'étranger ne sont pas très différents de la plupart des Occidentaux qui collectionnent les pays visités (Inde, Pérou, Mexique, Maroc, Sénégal, Thaïlande...), à un autre niveau certes, car ils ont moins de jours de congés que les Européens (et sans doute moins de moyens financiers également), mais dans le fond n'est-ce pas le même esprit?
En effet, la question est à se poser car ce que j'ai vu des systèmes TO au Sénégal, pourrait être comparé, avec un plus : les "cadeaux" apportés sur conseil des guides, y compris locaux, du type quelques bougies ou savonnettes, distribués généreusement aux villageois, en échange de la visite de leur maison traditionnelle et spartiate, et bien sûr, sans se priver de photographier l'intérieur des pièces ! Aussi éloquent que désolant. Je me souviens, que parfaitement scandalisée de ce voyeurisme, avoir demandé à ces bons toubabs s'ils accepteraient chez eux, de telles incursions. Baissant le nez ou regardant ailleurs, personne ne m'avait répondu, sauf le guide local, qui essayait de me justifier l'honneur que faisaient les touristes aux villageois de venir les visiter ! Scandaleux tout simplement, j'ai réellement eu envie de laisser aller ma colère, mais ils sont remontés dans leur joli car climatisé, pour repartir vers le club qui leur avait offert l'inoubiable balade, à la recherche de l'authentique ! C'est y pas beau ça ?
Geli
Pour remplir le quota de 12 pays, on n'hésite pas à faire des détours par San Marin et Monaco lors de la traversée de la France et de l'Italie. Les voyageurs chinois sont très contents comme ça.
Aumoins, ça a le mérite de limiter les déplacements.
Quant à moi, même 3 semaines passées dans une seule ville étrangére parviennent à me frustrer, alors...
Ceci dit, tant qu'à faire dans le "fast-trip", cela ne me choque pas d'avantage que les fameux "tour du monde" sur 6 à 12 mois dont les occidentaux raffolent.
En faisant la queue a l'enregistrement a Pekin, j'etais entoure de turkmenes. Et quand j'ai du aller faire la queue ailleurs pour enregistrer ma valise, c'est au milieu de nord coreens que je me suis retrouve. Et quand j'ai fait la queue pour embarquer, l'ecran annoncait que l'embarquement pour le vol pour Pyongyang se ferait a la meme porte que Tachkent.
'fin bref, j'ai fini par arriver a bon port de maniere miraculeuse: le premier vol s'est bien passe, le deuxieme a failli ne pas decoller, le troisieme a failli decoller sans moi, le quatrieme a bien decolle, mais j'ai un moment cru qu'il n'atterrirait jamais. 😛
Pour preuve ce film* sorti en 1969 et qui nous raconte les histoires d'un groupe voyageant en autocar à travers l'Europe. En regardant par la fenêtre quelqu'un demande "quel jour sommes-nous ?" "mardi" et regardant à la fois par la fenêtre et sur son programme de voyage il dit "si on est mardi ce doit être la Belgique"
Et pour remonter plus loin encore il y a (sans vraiment beaucoup de recherches de ma part) :
Le tour du monde en 80 jours de Jules Vernes
Candide ou l'optimisme de Voltaire
L'Illiade et l'Odissée de d'Homère
et je vous parle même pas de la Bible ni du Râmâyana ou du Mahâbhârata
Comme quoi avant de voir la paille dans l'oeil des Chinois on ferait peut être mieux de s'oter la poutre qu'on a dans le sien.
Je m'en voudrais cependant de ne pas vous citer Stephen McCauley :
Le tourisme sabote l'environnement et la culture de continents entiers, sans parler des aspirations de tant d'imbéciles qui croient sincèrement acquérir une certaine compréhension du monde en restant assis six jours de suite dans un car climatisé qui traverse la Chine à toute allure.
Allez j'vous laisse (😛) j'm'en vais promener mon chien autour du bloc, hier j'lai fait en 7 minutes et douze secondes.
* If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium 1969-USA-Parody/Spoof/Ensemble Film
N.Y. Times Review by Vincent Canby
PLOT DESCRIPTION
A mid-1960s TV documentary special (and a New Yorker cartoon before that) was the inspiration for If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium. The film is a likeable satire of "packaged" European tours, where the nonplused tourists are expected to rush from one landmark to another in a breathless 18 days. Ian McShane stars as the amorous tour guide, with Suzanne Pleshette as the American department store buyer he falls for; their romance ends when Pleshette decides that the supposedly worldly McShane is too immature for her. An all-star cast, including Murray Hamilton, Peggy Cass, Pamela Britton, Marty Ingels, John Cassavetes and Vittorio De Sica, pops up in comic cameo roles. Our favorite bit: an American and German tourist, simultaneously regaling their respective wives with wildly divergent accounts of the same wartime confrontation. If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium was reworked in 1987 as a made-for-TV movie, cleverly title If It's Tuesday, It Still Must be Belgium.
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
Le coup des Galeries Lafayette, c'est trop drôle, car cela me rappelle un classique méconnu, de et avec Jean Yanne, intitulé Les Chinois à Paris, film de politique fiction imaginant la France giscardienne sous occupation chinoise.
Dans ce film, les autorités d'occupation, après avoir dédaigné tous les grands monuments et institutions de notre belle capitale, décident d'installer leur QG aux... Galeries Lafayette!
Oui, un film magnifique. Et extrêmement bien documenté sur la révolution culturelle chinoise. Le souci de certains détails indique que Jean Yanne a été appuyé par des gens qui connaissaient très bien la culture révolutionnaire chinoise.
Amusant ton post....
Mais je crois que les chinois n'ont rien inventé!...
Lorsque dans les années 70 les voyages routards ont commencé à être en vogue, je me souviens que certains utilisaient des billets SNCF Bige pour appliquer le même principe. Il fallait visiter un max de pays européens pour devenir un grand routard devant l'éternel.
L'itinéraire était construit de manière à traverser ou au moins flirter avec le plus de pays possible. Glander une nuit dans la gare de Francfort suffisait à faire de vous un grand connaisseur de l'Allemagne. Quitte à se rendre en Belgique autant faire un p'tit crochet par le Luxembourg etc...etc...
Le plus souvent ces voyages n'étaient en fait composés que de nuits inconfortables sur des banquettes, de gares sinistres, de poteaux électriques et de troupeaux de vaches dans les prés.
La tendance était la même que chez nos amis chinois, et quelques décennies plus tard nos aventuriers étaient bien formatés pour pousser le caddie de l'hypermarché du voyage qui les attendait de pieds fermes.
Je n'ai pas acheté un voyage éclair... (et d'ailleurs c'est dommage car j'aurais dépensé moins...)
je m'explique.
Je viens d'aller en Pologne... heu non c'est un grand mot !
Sur un coup de tête j'ai démissionné de mon taf en Irlande.
J'ai pris le bus au départ de Londres, puis 27heures plus tard (!), j'étais sous le soleil de la capitale polonaise...!
Bon j'oublie de préciser que je n'avais pas du tout d'argent, donc je ne suis restée que deux jours (et demi !) dont un jour orageux et pluvieux. useless...
Puis j'ai pris le train de Warsaw à 16h25, pour arriver chez moi dans le Finistère à 19heures le lendemain...
Alors oui c'était un trip éclair et certains diront inutiles car je n'ai rien vu de spécial, et je n'ai pas visité un musée, ou apprécié un village typique (de plus, à peine profité puisque crevée du voyage) et mangé au KFC🤪...
Pourtant je suis contente !!!
geli : Ce qui me dérange aussi, c'est que ces pauvres moutons voyageurs, ne se rendent même pas compte de l'inutilité d'un tel périple
j'ai réalisé mon petit rêve à moi et j'ai pu parler polonais pour la première fois ! J'ai discuté avec un tas de gens ! (et bien sûr j'y retournerais plus longtemps avec plus de moyens !)
Alors pas grave si la majeure partie de ce trip s'est faite sur une banquette, j'ai adoré !
Je ne suis pas spécifiquement pour les formules voyages éclair (car c'est vrai que c'est abhérant finalement...) mais bon bah pourquoi pas si ça rend parfois d'autres gens autant heureux que moi :))
et peut-être que c'est une question de moyens parfois non ?
Salut,
Je ne pense pas qu’on puisse comparer ton périple avec ce qui était exposé ci-dessus. Il me semble même que c’est tout le contraire.
Ce que tu as fait va à l’encontre de l’organisation rigoureuse d’un voyage voulu « productif » : Tu as quitté ton boulot sur un coup de tête afin d’assouvir une envie et ce, jusqu’à n’avoir plus la moindre ressources financière.
C’est ce que j’appelle l’aventure, indépendamment des activités et du temps passé sur place.
Si tu avais eu la possibilité de prendre deux jours de repos afin d’effectuer un voyage éclair Londres/Varsovie/Ukraine/Biélorussie/Varsovie/Londres et de retourner exercer ton job en Irlande, aurais-tu préféré faire ce choix là ?
je voulais juste pointer qu'il peut y avoir des raisons intéressantes qui peuvent motiver un voyage de ce type pour quelqu'un qui n'a pas d'argent. comme certaines formules des Conticki tours par exemple certains en bus à travers l'europe sont du même style et j'ai failli me laisser tenter (jusqu'au moment où j'ai réalisé qu'on ne passerait pas en Pologne 😉)!!!
Et les européens qui disent avoir fait la Chine ou l'inde en 15 ou 20 jours j'en ai aussi rencontré! Peut-être que lorsque les pays sont éloignés de son lieu de résidence les gens ont moins conscience des distances et de la diversité. Et comme tout est différent et que les personnes n'ont jamais vu ces pays, ils son enthousiastes. Ils ont "rien" vu parce qu'ils ne se sont pas arrêtés à plein d'endroits mais en même temps ils on vu quelque chose de nouveau qu'ils n'avaient jamais vu avant. Il y a peut-être aussi l'idée qu'ils trversent la moitié du monde pour aller en europe ou dans le cas contraire en Inde qui a l'air si petit sur la carte alors ça leur apparaît nul de rester toujours au même endroit. Mais je me demande si beaucoup d'européens ne font ps en Inde, en Chine, aus USA ou ailleurs ce que les chinois font en Europe?
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"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others?
What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille?
Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit?
Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana?
Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate?
Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines?
For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL.
THANKS GUYS
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed.
Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project.
A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question.
They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕
Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.).
Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did.
I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights
Sidemen (2 nights)
Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights
Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed
Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran
Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights
Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD:
- Walk around central Ubud (1–2h)
- Campuhan Ridge Walk
- Tegalalang Rice Terrace
- Tirta Empul
- Gunung Kawi
- Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN:
- Rice terrace hike (2–3h)
- Cooking class
IN AMED:
- Snorkeling
- Japanese Shipwreck
- Beach + relaxation
- Volcano sunset
ON GILI:
- Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK:
- Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall
- Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level)
- Ulun Danu Bratan Temple
- Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN
- Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well:
👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option
12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM)
1 PM: ferry
3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer
11 PM: start ascent
2 AM–6 AM: volcano
Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM)
👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency
💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR:
- Relaxation
- Quiet beach
- Proximity to airport (30 min)"
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays
where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya).
There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see:
Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees.
We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain.
But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore.
A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night
Coron – 4 nights
Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights
El Nido – 4 nights
Port Barton – 5 nights
Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan
Vigan – 2 nights
Sagada – 2 nights
Banaue – 2 nights
Bagabag – 1 night
Manila – 1 night
I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages.
3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer.
Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness.
My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place.
On the main routes, we visited:
San José
Alajuela
Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side)
Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side)
And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched.
He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown.
What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor.
At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José:
It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken.
On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox.
From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire.
Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets.
Bars with security guards out front.
I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel.
The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses.
The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in.
A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park.
Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further.
We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it.
A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces.
A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures.
But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business.
Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse!
According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable.
Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos.
A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park!
A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park.
The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color.
Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded!
Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30.
The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches.
As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves.
A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!"
For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex!
The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for?
For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places.
In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs:
Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you.
For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example.
For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk.
The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border.
The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times.
Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot).
For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border.
You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes.
From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??).
With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!!
For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations.
However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards.
Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future.
After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think:
1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport),
1 night in Garda,
1 night in Verona,
1 in Padua, and
3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year.
I told her:
“Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.”
“But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.”
I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk.
“Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.”
I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen.
“Mamido, I did it!”
My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no!
“Congratulations, sweetheart!”
A little shyly, she said:
“Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying:
“Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint!
But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out.
Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me.
But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back.
My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special?
That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like!
M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now.
The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions.
I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid?
Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again?
Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with?
Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now?
What’s really going on here?
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
Hi there, I’ve been traveling for 18 years now, at least 6 months a year, and as the years go by, I actually enjoy coming back to France more and more—a feeling I struggled with at first. I mean, we always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
But in the end, I find meaning in that saying about how there’s no place like home. I still love traveling just as much, but now my trips are shorter, and I enjoy spending more time in our beautiful country, even though I don’t hesitate to criticize it.
How about you? How do you handle coming back from your travels?
A few years ago, I went with a group of friends to lend a hand at a small rural school near Thiès, Senegal.
It was a relaxed but hardworking atmosphere—hands in the mortar, laughter, exchanges, and everything that a COOPERATION project can bring.
Today, the little project is flying on its own.
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*.
The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods.
On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs?
Maybe those will be *theirs*?
What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get?
What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel?
Do you understand the Martians?
Are their motivations peaceful?