Retour d'une mésaventure sur le mont Fuji
by Jeanne1846
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Salut!
Voilà, je suis partie au Japon avec ma meilleure amie l'été dernier. Formidable aventure, les gens sont adorable, la nourriture super bonne, les lieux visités valent le détour etc....
Je voudrais quand même mettre en garde les personnes qui ont pour projet de faire l'ascension du Mont Fuji. Il ne faut pas oublier que c'est une montagne dont le point culminant est de 3776m! Nous avions 20 et 21 ans lorsque nous voyagions là bas et on a été, on le reconnait, très naïves de croire que se serait facile!
Le soucis, c'est que dans les guides que nous avons regardé (michelin, routard, lonely) on nous conseillait de faire cette ascension comme on irait visiter la tour Eiffel! Le Mont Fuji est attractif, touristique, ils y a même des boutiques souvenir au sommet! Cette montagne semble inoffensive, elle est toute ronde et ne semble absolument pas aussi haute que ce qu'elle est (illusion d'optique à cause dû cône). En Juillet il n'y a pas de neige au sommet et puis en bas, il fait 40° tout les jours et même les nuits restent chaudes.
Il n'y a aucun moment ou on nous a dis "faites attention" et nous sommes donc parties en se disant que si Agatha Christie l'avait fait, si 450000 personnes le font par ans, alors nous non plus on ne devrait pas avoir de problème! Il y a même des enfants et des personnes âgées qui le monte! On a quand même eu la jugeote de prendre un pull et une couverture de survie chacune, avec un peu de nourriture. Arrivées à la cinquième station en bus, on se dit qu'on va quand même avoir un peu froid! D'autant plus qu'on a décidé de monter de nuit pour assister au levé du soleil au sommet... comme on nous l'indique dans les guides! Ma fois, pourquoi pas! On se rend vite compte qu'en fait ce n'est pas si facile que ca, bien qu'étant sportive! En montant, on manque très vite d'oxygène ce qui nous ralenti; et puis on a froid aussi! On marche toute la nuit et on voit le levé du soleil (pas au sommet on l'a raté 😐 ); la fatigue étant là, ma meilleure amie n'ira pas plus haut et je continue donc toute seule; en haut, c'est magnifique! Puis je redescends, rejoint mon amie et nous continuons à descendre. Après 14h de marche (on s'est trompées de chemin lors de la descente et avons du remonter un peu pour récupérer le bon -> un détour de 3h de marche) nous tombons de fatigue dans le bus! Le soleil nous a fait légèrement rougir lors de la descente. Ce n'est que le lendemain qu'on se rend compte qu'en fait c'est un bon coup de soleil; mon amie a le visage qui a enflé pendant la nuit et du pus sort de tout les pores de sa tête (je vous passe les détails!); on va chercher des crèmes en pharmacie, et le lendemain ca a empiré! Elle ne pouvait même plus ouvrir les yeux a cause du gonflement. Une nuit encore plus tard et elle avait des cloques blanches sur le front, le nez et les joues. Puis c'est parti petit à petit et aujourd'hui il n'y a pas de cicatrices! Mais quand même c'est impressionnant!
Tout ca pour dire, que nous avons grimpé ce "Mont" en le sous estimant complètement! Peu être est ce dû à notre âge, mais je pense qu'il y a plus que nous qui sommes naïves à ce point là! Si vous y allez, surtout couvrez vous du froid, soyez sportifs, prenez à boire et à manger en quantité suffisante (minimum un litre et demi d'eau par personne; votre ascension durera entre 5 et 8 heures plus 3h de descente!) et protégez vous du soleil sur la peau, les yeux et la tête (en haut il peut faire grand soleil et très chaud comme brouillard et très froid!) Si vous vous sentez mal, redescendez!
http://www.zonehimalaya.net/Expedition/altitude.htm
ce lien explique ce qu'est le MAM (Mal Aigus des Montagne), pouvant provoquer des Œdèmes pulmonaire ou cérébral; je pense que c'est bien d'être informé sur le genre de risque qu'il y a à faire du tourisme sportif. N'oubliez pas que le Mont Fuji est presque un 4000m, c'est de la haute montagne et le milieu est hostile!
Je ne veux pas faire peur à ceux qui veulent y aller, je recommande même cette expérience car ca vaut vraiment le coup! Mais n'y allez pas n'importe comment! Vous n'iriez pas au point culminant des Pyrénées sans préparation, et pourtant les Pyrénées sont moins haut que le Mont Fuji!
J'espère que ce petit post servira aux futur grimpeur! 😉
Il n'y a aucun moment ou on nous a dis "faites attention"
salut,
Ce n'est pas tout à fait vrai,
Voir ceci : http://voyageforum.com/...20dure%20la%20montee;
Et les commentaires postés après qui valent leur pesant de cacahouettes
Mais pour éviter le problème de coup de soleil de jeanne et sa copine, prévoir une "face towel" sous un chapeau (voir la première photo)
Moi aussi, je l'ai grimpé de nuit, sous la pleine lune (2ème photo)
Pour toi qui n'a pas pu voir le lever de soleil du sommet (voir la 3ème photo)
N'a tu pas pris le bâton de marche à faire graver à chaque étape au fer rouge et tampon d'arrivée tout en haut à l'encre rouge ? (c'est un excellent souvenir et on s'en sert énormément à la descente pour se retenir)
Mais tu l'as fais et c'est le plus important
Car on dit que "celui qui grimpe 1 fois sur le mont Fuji est un sage et celui qui grimpe 2 fois est un fou"
Tcha tchao
salut,
Ce n'est pas tout à fait vrai,
Voir ceci : http://voyageforum.com/...20dure%20la%20montee;
Et les commentaires postés après qui valent leur pesant de cacahouettes
Mais pour éviter le problème de coup de soleil de jeanne et sa copine, prévoir une "face towel" sous un chapeau (voir la première photo)
Moi aussi, je l'ai grimpé de nuit, sous la pleine lune (2ème photo)
Pour toi qui n'a pas pu voir le lever de soleil du sommet (voir la 3ème photo)
N'a tu pas pris le bâton de marche à faire graver à chaque étape au fer rouge et tampon d'arrivée tout en haut à l'encre rouge ? (c'est un excellent souvenir et on s'en sert énormément à la descente pour se retenir)
Mais tu l'as fais et c'est le plus important
Car on dit que "celui qui grimpe 1 fois sur le mont Fuji est un sage et celui qui grimpe 2 fois est un fou"
Tcha tchao
Salut,
Dans tout çà, le bon point est que vous en savez plus après, ... qu'avant!
Ne soyons pas impatient ; il faut toujours du temps pour tout!
Quant au visage bouffi et enflé par le soleil, nul besoin de faire le Fuji pour cela... le simple fait de s'exposer au soleil dans la neige en avril en France au dessus de 2000m, sans protection efficace, et tu ressembles à Frankestein!!! 😉 Avec le danger que cela comporte : les pores du visage rejettent un liquide saumâtre! Berk...
Enfin, le Fuji n'est pas tout le Japon... 😎 Jean-Claude
Quant au visage bouffi et enflé par le soleil, nul besoin de faire le Fuji pour cela... le simple fait de s'exposer au soleil dans la neige en avril en France au dessus de 2000m, sans protection efficace, et tu ressembles à Frankestein!!! 😉 Avec le danger que cela comporte : les pores du visage rejettent un liquide saumâtre! Berk...
Enfin, le Fuji n'est pas tout le Japon... 😎 Jean-Claude
en altitude, hiver comme été, un crème contre le soleil est toujours a prendre.
Aaaah c'est petit jeune alors ..^^^^^😉
Aaaah c'est petit jeune alors ..^^^^^😉
"Un bivouac c'est un peu comme le dépucelage et la première cuite, une espèce de rite qui fais de toi un homme" (MonsieurHenri du site randonner-léger.org).
Récits de mes voyages : http://les-voyages-andre.blogspot.fr/
Récits de mes voyages : http://les-voyages-andre.blogspot.fr/
Le problème c'est qu'on en avait de la crème solaire, et de la haute qualité en plus... mais elle est restée dans le sac qui lui même est resté dans le casier de la 5eme station! c'est juste qu'on ne s'y attendait absolument pas, en plus il n'y avait pas de neige quand on y était! on est jeunes et naïves et c'est justement aux gens comme nous à qui s'adresse en premier ce message^^!
autant le coup de soleil c'est pas cool, mais c'est surtout le fait que la montagne comporte de réels risques (ref le lien que j'ai mis dans mon premier message) et que je n'ai pas vu de postes de secours là haut (je pense qu'il doit y en avoir quand même et que je ne les ai pas vu; sinon c'est du délire!)
sur le coté effort mon amie à vraiment galéré, moi moins car je suis sportive et je me suis beaucoup économisée en allant à son rythme; mais dès qu'elle m'a lâché je peux dire que j'ai dégusté la dernière heure de marche!!! et arrivée en haut je courrais tellement j'étais heureuse et surexcitée d'avoir réussi!!!
merci brunojapon pour les photos! On a pas pu voir le lever du soleil au sommet mais on l'a quand même vu car on était du bon coté de la montagne; mais j'imagine que ca devait vraiment être plus impressionnant du haut!
malheureusement on n'a pas pris le bâton car on avait peur de devoir l'abandonner à l'aéroport... Si j'avais su que ca passerait je l'aurais pris sans hésiter! si un jour je retourne au Japon c'est sur que je re-gravirai le Fujisan! (hé oui je suis pas sage, je suis folle! 😄) ... mais cette fois en connaissant les risques!
merci brunojapon pour les photos! On a pas pu voir le lever du soleil au sommet mais on l'a quand même vu car on était du bon coté de la montagne; mais j'imagine que ca devait vraiment être plus impressionnant du haut!
malheureusement on n'a pas pris le bâton car on avait peur de devoir l'abandonner à l'aéroport... Si j'avais su que ca passerait je l'aurais pris sans hésiter! si un jour je retourne au Japon c'est sur que je re-gravirai le Fujisan! (hé oui je suis pas sage, je suis folle! 😄) ... mais cette fois en connaissant les risques!
Bonjour,
mais c'est surtout le fait que la montagne comporte de réels risques (ref le lien que j'ai mis dans mon premier message)
Oui. Et le Mal des Montagnes n'arrive pas qu'à hautes altitudes, ça peut arriver bien plus bas. Il faut bien retenir qu'il n'y a aucune règle avec le MAM... Tout le monde peut être concerné à un moment ou à un autre.
je n'ai pas vu de postes de secours là haut (je pense qu'il doit y en avoir quand même et que je ne les ai pas vu; sinon c'est du délire!)
Heu...🤪 C'est une montagne, pas une station de ski. Les postes de secours ne poussent pas comme des champignons... Quand on part en montagne, aussi fréquentée soit-elle il est nécessaire de se renseigner sur les risques au préalable, si ça ne va pas on redescend sans attendre et on ne compte pas sur les secours et l'hélico (qui n'existe pas partout et ne vole pas par tous les temps...)
Ceci dit, j'espère que cela vous a donné envie de repartir en montagne de façon un brin plus préparée...🙂
Solcha
mais c'est surtout le fait que la montagne comporte de réels risques (ref le lien que j'ai mis dans mon premier message)
Oui. Et le Mal des Montagnes n'arrive pas qu'à hautes altitudes, ça peut arriver bien plus bas. Il faut bien retenir qu'il n'y a aucune règle avec le MAM... Tout le monde peut être concerné à un moment ou à un autre.
je n'ai pas vu de postes de secours là haut (je pense qu'il doit y en avoir quand même et que je ne les ai pas vu; sinon c'est du délire!)
Heu...🤪 C'est une montagne, pas une station de ski. Les postes de secours ne poussent pas comme des champignons... Quand on part en montagne, aussi fréquentée soit-elle il est nécessaire de se renseigner sur les risques au préalable, si ça ne va pas on redescend sans attendre et on ne compte pas sur les secours et l'hélico (qui n'existe pas partout et ne vole pas par tous les temps...)
Ceci dit, j'espère que cela vous a donné envie de repartir en montagne de façon un brin plus préparée...🙂
Solcha
C'est une montagne, pas une station de ski. Les postes de secours ne poussent pas comme des champignons...
Mais là bas les touristes qui grimpent sont tous à la queue tellement il y a de monde! Des milliers de personnes le monte chaque année, il y a même des boutiques souvenir au sommet, des refuges hyper cher tout le long... C'est pour ca qu'il me semblerait logique qu'il y ait un ou deux postes de secours durant l'ascension. Je pense qu'en Europe ca serait obligatoire dans ces conditions!
Ceci dit, j'espère que cela vous a donné envie de repartir en montagne de façon un brin plus préparée...🙂
Pour mon amie c'est fini de chez fini 🏴☠️ Pour moi, ca me donne envie de m'entrainer pour le Mont Blanc!!! 😎 ... ca fait pas de mal de rêver hein!!! 😉
Mais là bas les touristes qui grimpent sont tous à la queue tellement il y a de monde! Des milliers de personnes le monte chaque année, il y a même des boutiques souvenir au sommet, des refuges hyper cher tout le long... C'est pour ca qu'il me semblerait logique qu'il y ait un ou deux postes de secours durant l'ascension. Je pense qu'en Europe ca serait obligatoire dans ces conditions!
Ceci dit, j'espère que cela vous a donné envie de repartir en montagne de façon un brin plus préparée...🙂
Pour mon amie c'est fini de chez fini 🏴☠️ Pour moi, ca me donne envie de m'entrainer pour le Mont Blanc!!! 😎 ... ca fait pas de mal de rêver hein!!! 😉
C'est trés bien d'avoir le courage de venir parler de ton expérience ici Jeanne et je pense quye tu auras certainement toucher pas mal de lecteurs de VF, moi je te dis bravo.
Par contre, attention , le MOnt Blanc, c'est encore autre chose, bien plus technique et avec bien plus de dangers objectifs, alors là encore ne pas croire que tu poiurras prendre tes chaussures, ton piolet et partir à l'aventure en te disant je verrai bien ... non, non, il te faudra soit être avec des amis qui conaissent les lieux et les techniques d'assurage, soit engager un guide professionel , car là encore même avec des centaines (que dis je, des milliers de tentatives chaque année) cela ne veut pas dire que c'est simple !
bon courage tout de même
bon courage tout de même
" Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait. "
Lol ca m'a donné envie de le faire mais... comme je dis c'est bien de rêver! 😉
Je pense que l'expérience du Mont Fuji m'a convaincu que si un jour je repars en montagne ce sera avec un guide et une petite préparation au préalable! 😇
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I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada









