Merci d'avance
Le mal du pays, c'est quoi?
by Rabahoz
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour, je m'appelle Rabah et j'ai 22 ans.
Je suis actuellement en pleine recherche sur le sentiment de nostalgie qu'on éprouve au pays d'origine.Je recherche des témoignages de personnes ayant eu ou ayant encore le mal du pays.
Pourriez vous m'expliquer comment vous vivez ce sentiments?
Quand est-ce et comment il se manifeste? Avez vous trouvé des remèdes pour ne pas y penser?
En gros, pouvez vous me parler de ce sentiments qu'est la nostalgie du pays d'origine/le mal du pays dans votre vie?
Merci d'avance
Merci d'avance
Lorsque la nostalgie du retour à la source devient irrésistible, l'homme se met en chemin, il ne peut faire autrement.
Et c'est alors qu'il reçoit l'aide dont il a besoin... c'est la règle en ce monde. (M Mattern)
Je vais essayer de parler du mal du pays en prenant l'exemple de la France. Je suis parti de France depuis 8 mois et il m'arrive parfois de penser avec nostalgie à la France.
Ce n'est pas vraiment un sentiment fort mais plutôt des pensées, des souvenirs, des images de ce que j'ai en France qui reviennent. Ce n'est pas le pays en lui même qui me manque mais les souvenirs que j'y ai, les amis, les endroits, la langue aussi. A Colonia Del Sacramento avant hier il y avait un bar qui a joué la version anglaise de La Vie en Rose. Je suis pas le gros fan de Piaf mais ça m'a fait quelque chose...c'est ma culture.
L'entité France en elle même ne me manque pas vraiment mais plutôt donc toutes les petites choses qui la composent.
Ce sentiment se retrouve souvent dans les périodes de solitude. Entouré, on y pense moins. Le truc aussi c'est que je pense que ce n'est pas nécessairement négatif. Penser à la d'ou on vient, ceux qu'on aime, c'est parfois douloureux mais ce n'est pas vraiment négatif, je trouve.
Bref, je reviens en France dans 8 jours et je ne suis pas mécontent du tout. Je sais que quand je poserai le pied dans mon pays, rien n'aura vraiment changé. Mais je serai content d'être la. La langue, les retards des trains, le pain de la boulangerie...
Voili voilou, j'espère que ça a pu t'aider🙂
Ce n'est pas vraiment un sentiment fort mais plutôt des pensées, des souvenirs, des images de ce que j'ai en France qui reviennent. Ce n'est pas le pays en lui même qui me manque mais les souvenirs que j'y ai, les amis, les endroits, la langue aussi. A Colonia Del Sacramento avant hier il y avait un bar qui a joué la version anglaise de La Vie en Rose. Je suis pas le gros fan de Piaf mais ça m'a fait quelque chose...c'est ma culture.
L'entité France en elle même ne me manque pas vraiment mais plutôt donc toutes les petites choses qui la composent.
Ce sentiment se retrouve souvent dans les périodes de solitude. Entouré, on y pense moins. Le truc aussi c'est que je pense que ce n'est pas nécessairement négatif. Penser à la d'ou on vient, ceux qu'on aime, c'est parfois douloureux mais ce n'est pas vraiment négatif, je trouve.
Bref, je reviens en France dans 8 jours et je ne suis pas mécontent du tout. Je sais que quand je poserai le pied dans mon pays, rien n'aura vraiment changé. Mais je serai content d'être la. La langue, les retards des trains, le pain de la boulangerie...
Voili voilou, j'espère que ça a pu t'aider🙂
sailing down a river alone
Je sais que quand je poserai le pied dans mon pays, rien n'aura vraiment changé
quand-même, quand-même, on a désormais un président qui sait s'exprimer correctement.
quand-même, quand-même, on a désormais un président qui sait s'exprimer correctement.
quand-même, quand-même, on a désormais un président qui sait s'exprimer correctement.
On a un nouveau président, c'est sûr ! De là à dire qu'il sait s'exprimer correctement.... Se souvenir du débat entre François Mitterrand et Valéry Giscard-d’Estaing pour illustration.
On a un nouveau président, c'est sûr ! De là à dire qu'il sait s'exprimer correctement.... Se souvenir du débat entre François Mitterrand et Valéry Giscard-d’Estaing pour illustration.
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
disons qu'il sait former ses mots, le nouveau.
😏
😏
Bonjour Rabahoz,
Je n'ai pas d' expérience suffisamment longue dans la durée pour te faire partager un ressenti pertinent.
Cependant, je réagis au message de Kola qui cite : "Lorsque la nostalgie du retour à la source devient irrésistible..."Sans me lancer dans un hors sujet flagrant, l'expression "retour à la source" est très profonde et aussi très significative de ton interrogation.
Je m'intéresse à l'eau, dont on ne connaît hélas! que très, très peu de choses (cf le très bon film Water). C'est un des rares éléments commun à TOUS les êtres vivants, y compris les végétaux donc. Rappelons aussi que l'homme est composé de 80% à 85% d'eau. Quand l'enfant naît, il quitte un environnement utérin d' eau dans lequel il a séjourné plusieurs mois, pour apparaître sur terre. Aux temps préhistoriques et jusqu'à pas si longtemps de cela, voire même encore dans certaines régions isolées du globe, la femme enceinte accouchait quasi à même le sol ; le liquide amniotique s'écoulant alors sur/dans la terre pour rejoindre l'eau présente à cet endroit dans le sol. L'endroit de la naissance conserve la "mémoire" de cet évènement, car on est indéfectiblement lié à l'eau du lieu où on naît. Du reste les sages chinois taoïstes préconisaient de ne jamais s'éloigner du territoire déterminé par la ligne d'horizon vue du lieu de la naissance d'un être humain, et recommandaient de ne consommer que l'eau et les végétaux présents dans cette surface !
Tout cela pour dire que l'expression "retour à la source" est particulièrement explicite ... en un sens. D'un autre point de vue (que l'on pourrait qualifier d'irrationnel), cela pourrait expliquer ce sentiment diffus et indéfinissable, mais néanmoins profond du "manque" que l'on ressent quand on s'éloigne longtemps de son pays/région/ville/village !
A l'évidence, il y a le manque concret (amis, famille, lieux familiers, parfums, cuisine, etc...). Mais je suis convaincu qu'il y a aussi ce manque plus abstrait et très subtil qui relève de ces autres mystères de la nature que sont aussi, par exemple, la migration des saumons vers leur lieu de naissance ou celle des anguilles vers la mer des Sargasses pour la même raison.
Car, qu'il le veuille ou non, l'homme est aussi et sans doute pour longtemps encore un élément de la Nature.
" Le voyage est un retour vers l'essentiel"
(Proverbe tibétain)
"La beauté réside dans l'oeil de celui qui regarde." (Shoshitsu Sen)
"La beauté réside dans l'oeil de celui qui regarde." (Shoshitsu Sen)
l'eau, dont on ne connaît hélas! que très, très peu de choses
🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪 on connaît très très peu de choses à l'eau ?! c'est une blague ?
enfin bon, t'es bien gentil avec tes élucubrations sur ce banal liquide, mais tu reconnaitras j'espère que sans un peu de pastis en dessous, ça ne vaut pas grand chose.
🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪 on connaît très très peu de choses à l'eau ?! c'est une blague ?
enfin bon, t'es bien gentil avec tes élucubrations sur ce banal liquide, mais tu reconnaitras j'espère que sans un peu de pastis en dessous, ça ne vaut pas grand chose.
Quand est-ce que tu changes la 1ère lettre ?
la 3ème d'abord !
Pourquoi te mettre aussi rapidement et tout seul sur le grill ?
Lorsque la nostalgie du retour à la source devient irrésistible, l'homme se met en chemin, il ne peut faire autrement.
Et lorsque cet homme est originaire d'un pays qu'il a été contraint de quitter pour des raisons politiques par exemple et où il lui est désormais interdit de retourner il fait comment? Sinon c'est qui ce monsieur Mattern?
Et lorsque cet homme est originaire d'un pays qu'il a été contraint de quitter pour des raisons politiques par exemple et où il lui est désormais interdit de retourner il fait comment? Sinon c'est qui ce monsieur Mattern?
Lorsque la nostalgie du retour à la source devient irrésistible, l'homme se met en chemin, il ne peut faire autrement.
Et lorsque cet homme est originaire d'un pays qu'il a été contraint de quitter pour des raisons politiques par exemple et où il lui est désormais interdit de retourner il fait comment? Sinon c'est qui ce monsieur Mattern?
Garage Mattern ! Audi et Skoda !! 😉 😏😏 à +++........................!
Et lorsque cet homme est originaire d'un pays qu'il a été contraint de quitter pour des raisons politiques par exemple et où il lui est désormais interdit de retourner il fait comment? Sinon c'est qui ce monsieur Mattern?
Garage Mattern ! Audi et Skoda !! 😉 😏😏 à +++........................!
C'est une dame...
Et je ne peux pas t'en dire plus sinon qu'elle a écrit un jour ces lignes.
Plutôt que de le lire comme une vérité ou une prescription, peut-être observer la manière dont cela fait écho en soi...
Plutôt que de le lire comme une vérité ou une prescription, peut-être observer la manière dont cela fait écho en soi...
Garage Mattern ! Audi et Skoda !! 😉 😏😏 à +++........................!
Moi ça me rappelait une marque de confiture!!
Moi ça me rappelait une marque de confiture!!
C'est une dame...
Et je ne peux pas t'en dire plus sinon qu'elle a écrit un jour ces lignes.
Si c'est pas trop secret je pourrais avoir son prénom?
Plutôt que de le lire comme une vérité ou une prescription, peut-être observer la manière dont cela fait écho en soi..
C'est vrai, je suis trop terre à terre!
Si c'est pas trop secret je pourrais avoir son prénom?
Plutôt que de le lire comme une vérité ou une prescription, peut-être observer la manière dont cela fait écho en soi..
C'est vrai, je suis trop terre à terre!
Djalma ? te fatigue pas ! reste terre à terre 😉 les faux intellos babacool pacifistes qui agressent tout le temps tout le monde (d'une manière ou d'une autre !)avec leurs grandes réflexions n'apportent rien de bon et rarement des réponses aux questions posées ...hughh!!
pour répondre à la personne qui a posé la question au départ le mal du Pays c'est toujours quelque chose de trés douloureux pour ceux et celles qui en ont été éloignés ! pour en guérir il faut pouvoir peut être y retourner ou y revenir au moins une fois !
pour les voyageurs qui quittent longtemps leur pays il peut arriver ce que l'on nomme un coup de blues ( moi , ça m'est arrivé deux fois , une fois aux USA , et une autre au Pérou) mais on sait qu'on reviendra donc ça passe ! pour ceux qui sont "arrachés" à leur terre de naissance c'est une autre chanson ! et là c'est beaucoup plus difficile ...🙂
La personne qui a posé la question sera ravie d'apprendre que... "le mal du Pays c'est toujours quelque chose de trés douloureux pour ceux et celles qui en ont été éloignés !"
Et que toi ça t'est arrivé deux fois...
Sur les 16 réponses reçues, combien peuvent être à l'origine d'une réflexion qui ne sera pas centrée autour de son nombril ?
(Toi aussi tu as les aigreurs hors-sujets ? 😕)
Sur les 16 réponses reçues, combien peuvent être à l'origine d'une réflexion qui ne sera pas centrée autour de son nombril ?
(Toi aussi tu as les aigreurs hors-sujets ? 😕)
On peut également considérer le problème dans le sens inverse : le mal du pays dans lequel on vit. Ne pas s'y sentir chez soi, vouloir partir... Nostalgie d'un ailleurs meilleur.
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
La personne qui a posé la question sera ravie d'apprendre que... "le mal du Pays c'est toujours quelque chose de trés douloureux pour ceux et celles qui en ont été éloignés !"
Et que toi ça t'est arrivé deux fois...
mais non , mais non , je n'ai pas été éloignée 2 fois de mon pays , ce n'est pas du tout ça , éloigné ici veut dire arraché , je ne répond pas à la personne qui pose la question pour qu'elle soit ravie de ma réponse mais parce que je sais que c'est une douleur trés difficile à gérer ( pour des gens proches de moi disons ! ) et dans tous les cas c'est mon avis et je le donne , sans être hors sujet , justement pas ! 😛
Sur les 16 réponses reçues, combien peuvent être à l'origine d'une réflexion qui ne sera pas centrée autour de son nombril ?
ah ç'est sûr que si on donne son avis sur une question posée il y a le danger de la subjectivité , sans pour autant plonger dans le nombrilisme qui pour certains quoique planqué n'en reste pas moins du nombrilisme ! madame ce n'est pas mon cas oh non!
(Toi aussi tu as les aigreurs hors-sujets ? 😕)
c'est quoi les "aigreurs" ? "retombez" un peu ça vaudra mieux !! 🤪
mais non , mais non , je n'ai pas été éloignée 2 fois de mon pays , ce n'est pas du tout ça , éloigné ici veut dire arraché , je ne répond pas à la personne qui pose la question pour qu'elle soit ravie de ma réponse mais parce que je sais que c'est une douleur trés difficile à gérer ( pour des gens proches de moi disons ! ) et dans tous les cas c'est mon avis et je le donne , sans être hors sujet , justement pas ! 😛
Sur les 16 réponses reçues, combien peuvent être à l'origine d'une réflexion qui ne sera pas centrée autour de son nombril ?
ah ç'est sûr que si on donne son avis sur une question posée il y a le danger de la subjectivité , sans pour autant plonger dans le nombrilisme qui pour certains quoique planqué n'en reste pas moins du nombrilisme ! madame ce n'est pas mon cas oh non!
(Toi aussi tu as les aigreurs hors-sujets ? 😕)
c'est quoi les "aigreurs" ? "retombez" un peu ça vaudra mieux !! 🤪
C'est en effet très juste, ce que tu dis :
le mal du pays, ça fait toujours de la douleur aux gens du pays qui ne sont plus dans le pays, et aux autres aussi des fois, et ça leur fait du bonheur quand il y reviennent, on appelle ça le bien du pays
et puis c'est vrai : les gens du pays qui sont plus dans leur pays et qui peuvent plus y revenir, c'est très difficile !
le mal du pays, ça fait toujours de la douleur aux gens du pays qui ne sont plus dans le pays, et aux autres aussi des fois, et ça leur fait du bonheur quand il y reviennent, on appelle ça le bien du pays
et puis c'est vrai : les gens du pays qui sont plus dans leur pays et qui peuvent plus y revenir, c'est très difficile !
Pourquoi te mettre aussi rapidement et tout seul sur le grill ?
pour te divertir...
pour te divertir...
Granosalis tu es vraiment la sagesse incarnée!
Salut !
Moi ça me rappelait une marque de confiture!!
Oui, M'sieur vous avez tout bon mais avec un e à la fin 🙂 😉
Grâce à toi je découvre un Materne français ! Celui que je connaissais est Belge (pas loin de chez moi )! Et tous 2 revendiquent l'origine de cette industrie ! ! Le labyrinthe des grands groupes ! 🏴☠️
Moi ça me rappelait une marque de confiture!!
Oui, M'sieur vous avez tout bon mais avec un e à la fin 🙂 😉
Grâce à toi je découvre un Materne français ! Celui que je connaissais est Belge (pas loin de chez moi )! Et tous 2 revendiquent l'origine de cette industrie ! ! Le labyrinthe des grands groupes ! 🏴☠️
Michelle
Je pense que lorsque nous ressentons " le mal du pays " il est important d'observer en soi d'ou provient ce mal être sans le nommer et sans s'identifier. Juste observer. Il se pourrait que nous découvrions que nous sommes conditionnés depuis notre plus jeune âge par notre éducation, par la culture de notre pays, au climat, à la nourriture que nous avons l'habitude de consommer etc etc tout comme notre attachement à " notre " famille à " nos " amis.
Puis le mal du pays ou mal être peut provenir aussi lorsque nous faisons la comparaison entre ça et ça, entre deux personnes ou entre les gens de ce pays et les autres de "mon" pays, ( d'ou appartenance, que ce soit à un pays ou à une religion ) entre ça ici que je desteste et ce que j'ai laissé de mon pays que j'aime ou qui me manque c'est à dire entre ce qui Est et ce qui devrait être, ce qui est un refus, une fuite de ce qui est et pendant tout ce temps ou nous sommes dans le passé, dans les souvenirs, (en faisant appel à notre mémoire) nous éloigne du présent et ne nous permet pas de vivre la plénitude de la vie telle quelle est. Ce qui veut dire que si nous n'observons pas attentivement, les défis qui nous sont lancés nous échappent complètement. Tout est relation avec la nature et les êtres ce qui nous permet d'apprendre tant sur la culture d'un pays et le mode de vie de ses habitants.
La compréhension de Soi, des autres, de la signification de la vie, passe nécessairement par une prise de conscience qui ne peut avoir lieu que s'il y a une observation attentive de ce qui se passe ici et maintenant. Ce qui veut dire que si les défis qui nous sont lancés dans la vie ne sont pas vus, parce qu'ils nous ont échappés lorsque nous étions dans nos pensées, il est impossible de se comprendre soi même d'ou cette souffrance qui est l'ignorance de notre être profond et nous maintient prisonnie et fait obstacle à toute joie de vivre ( quelque pays que ce soit ).
Je vous propose de lire un des livres magnifiques, titres : " SE LIBERRER DU CONNU " ou "PREMIERE ET DERNIERE LIBERTÉ " de J. KRISHNAMURTI.
Il y a aussi, le livre, titre : LA JOIE SANS OBJET, de J.KLEIN
Je vous propose de lire un des livres magnifiques, titres : " SE LIBERRER DU CONNU " ou "PREMIERE ET DERNIERE LIBERTÉ " de J. KRISHNAMURTI.
Il y a aussi, le livre, titre : LA JOIE SANS OBJET, de J.KLEIN
Ce pourrait-être si simple... tu penses ?
car on est indéfectiblement lié à l'eau du lieu où on naît.
on peut avoir le mal du pays sans y etre né, mais en ayant baigné dans les eaux d'une mère qui a quitté ce pays où elle meme est née; alors que tous ses ancetres ne sont jamais partis de ce pays !
Ce mal est ce manque de quelque chose que l on ne peut vraiment définir ! Mais le mal est surtout où on vit on ne se sent pas chez, soi même dans le plus grand des luxes !
on peut avoir le mal du pays sans y etre né, mais en ayant baigné dans les eaux d'une mère qui a quitté ce pays où elle meme est née; alors que tous ses ancetres ne sont jamais partis de ce pays !
Ce mal est ce manque de quelque chose que l on ne peut vraiment définir ! Mais le mal est surtout où on vit on ne se sent pas chez, soi même dans le plus grand des luxes !
J'ajoute c'est ce que vivent malheureusement beaucoup d'enfants adoptés, qui grandissent avec ce manque !sans que personne ne le sache; et sans même qu'ils comprennent que tout le monde n'est pas comme eux , que tout le monde ne grandit pas avec ce manque Une fois adultes vont à la recherche de leurs racines perdues et je pense c'est uniquement mon sentiment qu' ils vont à la recherche de leurs origines bien avant d'aller à la recherche de leurs parents!
C'est un manque douloureux! et je ne sais pas si on en guérri! puisque l'enfance est une période où personne ne peut y revenir ! C'est pourquoi je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'il ne faut pas déraciner les enfants orphelins ou abandonnés ! Je le pense déjà pour les animaux, alors comment je ne pourrais pas le penser pour l'etre humain !
C'est un manque douloureux! et je ne sais pas si on en guérri! puisque l'enfance est une période où personne ne peut y revenir ! C'est pourquoi je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'il ne faut pas déraciner les enfants orphelins ou abandonnés ! Je le pense déjà pour les animaux, alors comment je ne pourrais pas le penser pour l'etre humain !
C'est pourquoi je suis de ceux qui pensent qu'il ne faut pas déraciner les enfants orphelins ou abandonnés !
Grandir orphelin ou abandonné dans un orphelinat de son pays d'origine... ou grandir adopté par une famille, que l'on supposera aimante, ailleurs, loin de ses racines ?
Est-ce qu'un humain comme un végétal aurait des racines si profondes que les arracher pourrait causer des dégats irrémédiables ?...
Grandir orphelin ou abandonné dans un orphelinat de son pays d'origine... ou grandir adopté par une famille, que l'on supposera aimante, ailleurs, loin de ses racines ?
Est-ce qu'un humain comme un végétal aurait des racines si profondes que les arracher pourrait causer des dégats irrémédiables ?...
Oui les racines du psychisme sont trés profondes !!!
Oui je suis un peu d'accord avec vous, mais à mon avis le changement géographique et culturel peut-être facilement surmonté alors qu'il n'en est pas de même pour ce que représentent les racines familiales.
J'ajoute c'est ce que vivent malheureusement beaucoup d'enfants adoptés, qui grandissent avec ce manque !sans que personne ne le sache; et sans même qu'ils comprennent que tout le monde n'est pas comme eux , que tout le monde ne grandit pas avec ce manque Une fois adultes vont à la recherche de leurs racines perdues et je pense c'est uniquement mon sentiment qu' ils vont à la recherche de leurs origines bien avant d'aller à la recherche de leurs parents!
Pour ma part les racine familiales sont essentielles et c'est pour cela que lorsqu'on adopte un enfant il importe (lorsque cela est possible) d'essayer d'avoir des contacts avec les parents biologiques..Il n'y a pas si longtemps une émission de TV montrait une famille adoptive avec l'enfant adopté qui rencontraient la mère biologique en Amérique latine. L'interview de l'adolescent montrait à quel point il était "soulagé" d'avoir pu rencontrer sa mère biologique tout en ne souhaitant pas vivre avec elle et expliquant bien que ses vrais parents étaient ses parents adoptifs. Il s'avère , malheureusement que dans la plupart des adoptions les parents d'enfants adoptés font tout pour les empêcher de rencontrer leurs parents adoptifs , évitent au maximum de leur en parler et leur cachent bien souvent la vérité.Or, c'est mon avis, dans son inconscient la personne ( ici l'enfant) possède tout le savoir "connait" tout son passé mais sa conscience elle ne sait rien et demande à être renseignée.
Oui je suis un peu d'accord avec vous, mais à mon avis le changement géographique et culturel peut-être facilement surmonté alors qu'il n'en est pas de même pour ce que représentent les racines familiales.
J'ajoute c'est ce que vivent malheureusement beaucoup d'enfants adoptés, qui grandissent avec ce manque !sans que personne ne le sache; et sans même qu'ils comprennent que tout le monde n'est pas comme eux , que tout le monde ne grandit pas avec ce manque Une fois adultes vont à la recherche de leurs racines perdues et je pense c'est uniquement mon sentiment qu' ils vont à la recherche de leurs origines bien avant d'aller à la recherche de leurs parents!
Pour ma part les racine familiales sont essentielles et c'est pour cela que lorsqu'on adopte un enfant il importe (lorsque cela est possible) d'essayer d'avoir des contacts avec les parents biologiques..Il n'y a pas si longtemps une émission de TV montrait une famille adoptive avec l'enfant adopté qui rencontraient la mère biologique en Amérique latine. L'interview de l'adolescent montrait à quel point il était "soulagé" d'avoir pu rencontrer sa mère biologique tout en ne souhaitant pas vivre avec elle et expliquant bien que ses vrais parents étaient ses parents adoptifs. Il s'avère , malheureusement que dans la plupart des adoptions les parents d'enfants adoptés font tout pour les empêcher de rencontrer leurs parents adoptifs , évitent au maximum de leur en parler et leur cachent bien souvent la vérité.Or, c'est mon avis, dans son inconscient la personne ( ici l'enfant) possède tout le savoir "connait" tout son passé mais sa conscience elle ne sait rien et demande à être renseignée.
Grandir orphelin ou abandonné dans un orphelinat de son pays d'origine... ou grandir adopté par une famille, que l'on supposera aimante, ailleurs, loin de ses racines ?
L'enfant peut grandir loin de ses racines sans en être coupé. La famille d'adoption peut maintenir le lien en amenant l'enfant en voyage dans son pays d'origine par exemple.
Est-ce qu'un humain comme un végétal aurait des racines si profondes que les arracher pourrait causer des dégats irrémédiables ?...
Ce bout d'ailleurs tu le portes en toi. Il est inscrit quelque part, je ne sais pas où (je cherche). Je sais juste qu'il finit toujours par te rattraper.
L'enfant peut grandir loin de ses racines sans en être coupé. La famille d'adoption peut maintenir le lien en amenant l'enfant en voyage dans son pays d'origine par exemple.
Est-ce qu'un humain comme un végétal aurait des racines si profondes que les arracher pourrait causer des dégats irrémédiables ?...
Ce bout d'ailleurs tu le portes en toi. Il est inscrit quelque part, je ne sais pas où (je cherche). Je sais juste qu'il finit toujours par te rattraper.
Le mal du pays.........;
Je suis partie faire des études universitaires à "l'étranger" très jeune et "le mal" ressenti était plutôt vis à vis de ma famille. Ils me manquaient, mes parents, le chien, mon entourage. Ce n'était pas le pays, c'était ma famille.
Et étrangement au retour des études, c'était plutôt " l'étranger " qui me manquait. Chose bizarre, non?
Je pense que dans chaque pays où j'ai eu l'occasion d'y habiter j'ai laissé quelque chose de moi. Mais j'ai aussi pris quelque chose de ce pays. Parfois il m'arrive de penser à tel ou tel pays/endroit et souhaiter y être. Pour revoir les gens que j'ai connus, les endroits, l'ambiance, la nourriture, etc. Et quand j'y pense c'est toujours avec bonheur.
Pour moi, mon pays et "l'étranger" sont mon chez moi. Forcément il y aura toujours quelque chose qui va me manquait que je sois ici ou là-bas! Pour moi il n'y a pas de différence. Pour quoi?
Je pense avoir trouvé une partie de la réponse en lisant "Peter Pan...ou l'enfant triste" :
- --" Partir et revenir permet de revoir le nid de temps en temps et, de nous assurer de ce que nous avons été, jusqu'à ce que cela ne soit plus nécessaire, car ce que nous avons été fait désormais partie de ce que nous sommes".--
Je suis partie faire des études universitaires à "l'étranger" très jeune et "le mal" ressenti était plutôt vis à vis de ma famille. Ils me manquaient, mes parents, le chien, mon entourage. Ce n'était pas le pays, c'était ma famille.
Et étrangement au retour des études, c'était plutôt " l'étranger " qui me manquait. Chose bizarre, non?
Je pense que dans chaque pays où j'ai eu l'occasion d'y habiter j'ai laissé quelque chose de moi. Mais j'ai aussi pris quelque chose de ce pays. Parfois il m'arrive de penser à tel ou tel pays/endroit et souhaiter y être. Pour revoir les gens que j'ai connus, les endroits, l'ambiance, la nourriture, etc. Et quand j'y pense c'est toujours avec bonheur.
Pour moi, mon pays et "l'étranger" sont mon chez moi. Forcément il y aura toujours quelque chose qui va me manquait que je sois ici ou là-bas! Pour moi il n'y a pas de différence. Pour quoi?
Je pense avoir trouvé une partie de la réponse en lisant "Peter Pan...ou l'enfant triste" :
- --" Partir et revenir permet de revoir le nid de temps en temps et, de nous assurer de ce que nous avons été, jusqu'à ce que cela ne soit plus nécessaire, car ce que nous avons été fait désormais partie de ce que nous sommes".--
car on est indéfectiblement lié à l'eau du lieu où on naît.
on peut avoir le mal du pays sans y etre né, mais en ayant baigné dans les eaux d'une mère qui a quitté ce pays où elle meme est née; alors que tous ses ancetres ne sont jamais partis de ce pays !
Ce mal est ce manque de quelque chose que l on ne peut vraiment définir ! Mais le mal est surtout où on vit on ne se sent pas chez, soi même dans le plus grand des luxes !
😊 Manosenti à Toi Disine;je sais, c'est tardif mais je n'ai pas "consulté" tous les thèmes abordés sur le forum;ce que tu ecris se rapproche des échanges"avoir le sentiment d'appartenir à une autre Culture";OUI les Racines de l'Inconcient, Génétiques, se réveillent un jour, et c'est le Départ de la Quete;je suis qui, je viens d'où, un Arbre dans une Foret, mais qui n'est pas SA FORET, ce que Tu dis est VRAI. Kénaz à Toi. Loupgris 13
on peut avoir le mal du pays sans y etre né, mais en ayant baigné dans les eaux d'une mère qui a quitté ce pays où elle meme est née; alors que tous ses ancetres ne sont jamais partis de ce pays !
Ce mal est ce manque de quelque chose que l on ne peut vraiment définir ! Mais le mal est surtout où on vit on ne se sent pas chez, soi même dans le plus grand des luxes !
😊 Manosenti à Toi Disine;je sais, c'est tardif mais je n'ai pas "consulté" tous les thèmes abordés sur le forum;ce que tu ecris se rapproche des échanges"avoir le sentiment d'appartenir à une autre Culture";OUI les Racines de l'Inconcient, Génétiques, se réveillent un jour, et c'est le Départ de la Quete;je suis qui, je viens d'où, un Arbre dans une Foret, mais qui n'est pas SA FORET, ce que Tu dis est VRAI. Kénaz à Toi. Loupgris 13
Loup Gris 13
Le mal du pays.........;
Je pense que dans chaque pays où j'ai eu l'occasion d'y habiter j'ai laissé quelque chose de moi. Mais j'ai aussi pris quelque chose de ce pays. Parfois il m'arrive de penser à tel ou tel pays/endroit et souhaiter y être. Pour revoir les gens que j'ai connus, les endroits, l'ambiance, la nourriture, etc. Et quand j'y pense c'est toujours avec bonheur.
- --" Partir et revenir permet de revoir le nid de temps en temps et, de nous assurer de ce que nous avons été, jusqu'à ce que cela ne soit plus nécessaire, car ce que nous avons été fait désormais partie de ce que nous sommes".--
J'aime beaucoup ces commentaires / citations. On idéalise souvent certains aspects de son pays d'origine quand on est longtemps loin. On oublie presque les côtés négatifs comme dans certaines relations amoureuses précédentes.
Le mal du pays intervient selon moi lorsqu'on est fatigué du rythme de voyage, malade ou irrité par certains traits culturels du pays où l'on réside. Là par exemple, je suis excédé par les klaxons de New Dehli qui sont permanents donc j'idéalise le sommet des Alpes où j'avais pour habitude de trouver la quiétude 🙂
Je pense que dans chaque pays où j'ai eu l'occasion d'y habiter j'ai laissé quelque chose de moi. Mais j'ai aussi pris quelque chose de ce pays. Parfois il m'arrive de penser à tel ou tel pays/endroit et souhaiter y être. Pour revoir les gens que j'ai connus, les endroits, l'ambiance, la nourriture, etc. Et quand j'y pense c'est toujours avec bonheur.
- --" Partir et revenir permet de revoir le nid de temps en temps et, de nous assurer de ce que nous avons été, jusqu'à ce que cela ne soit plus nécessaire, car ce que nous avons été fait désormais partie de ce que nous sommes".--
J'aime beaucoup ces commentaires / citations. On idéalise souvent certains aspects de son pays d'origine quand on est longtemps loin. On oublie presque les côtés négatifs comme dans certaines relations amoureuses précédentes.
Le mal du pays intervient selon moi lorsqu'on est fatigué du rythme de voyage, malade ou irrité par certains traits culturels du pays où l'on réside. Là par exemple, je suis excédé par les klaxons de New Dehli qui sont permanents donc j'idéalise le sommet des Alpes où j'avais pour habitude de trouver la quiétude 🙂
"Parcourir les routes / rentrer à la maison / et voir tout comme si c'était la première fois." T.S. Eliot
l'eau, dont on ne connaît hélas! que très, très peu de choses
🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪 on connaît très très peu de choses à l'eau ?! c'est une blague ?
enfin bon, t'es bien gentil avec tes élucubrations sur ce banal liquide, mais tu reconnaitras j'espère que sans un peu de pastis en dessous, ça ne vaut pas grand chose.
Un point de vue intéressant : Un grand critique gastronomique disait : - "Je ne bois pas d'eau parce que les poissons font leurs besoins dedans..." À mes amis qui savourent un bon verre de vin et aux autres qui ne le font pas. Comme le disait Benjamin Franklin: - "Dans le vin il y a la sagesse, dans la bière il y a la liberté, et dans l'eau des bactéries". Dans un nombre d'essais dûment contrôlés, des experts ont démontré que si nous buvons 1 litre d'eau chaque jour, à la fin de l'année nous aurions absorbé plus d'un kilo de la bactérie Escherichia coli, (E. coli que l'on retrouve dans les matières fécales) !" Toutefois, nous ne courons pas ce risque lorsque nous buvons du vin ou de la bière ou tequila, rhum, whisky ou autres boissons alcoolisées, parce que l'alcool doit passer par un procédé d'ébullition, de filtrage et de fermentation. En conséquence, il vaut mieux boire du vin et bafouiller un peu, que de boire de l'eau et être plein de "microbes"! Ne me remerciez pas pour cette importante mise au point: Je le fais par simple intérêt pour mes amis!
🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪🏴☠️🤪 on connaît très très peu de choses à l'eau ?! c'est une blague ?
enfin bon, t'es bien gentil avec tes élucubrations sur ce banal liquide, mais tu reconnaitras j'espère que sans un peu de pastis en dessous, ça ne vaut pas grand chose.
Un point de vue intéressant : Un grand critique gastronomique disait : - "Je ne bois pas d'eau parce que les poissons font leurs besoins dedans..." À mes amis qui savourent un bon verre de vin et aux autres qui ne le font pas. Comme le disait Benjamin Franklin: - "Dans le vin il y a la sagesse, dans la bière il y a la liberté, et dans l'eau des bactéries". Dans un nombre d'essais dûment contrôlés, des experts ont démontré que si nous buvons 1 litre d'eau chaque jour, à la fin de l'année nous aurions absorbé plus d'un kilo de la bactérie Escherichia coli, (E. coli que l'on retrouve dans les matières fécales) !" Toutefois, nous ne courons pas ce risque lorsque nous buvons du vin ou de la bière ou tequila, rhum, whisky ou autres boissons alcoolisées, parce que l'alcool doit passer par un procédé d'ébullition, de filtrage et de fermentation. En conséquence, il vaut mieux boire du vin et bafouiller un peu, que de boire de l'eau et être plein de "microbes"! Ne me remerciez pas pour cette importante mise au point: Je le fais par simple intérêt pour mes amis!
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Encore que ... Il y a certains alcools locaux que je ne me risquerait pas à boire!
A ta vraiment toute bonne santé et je t'attends pour un verre sur le Quai Sisowath ..... avec impatience .... 🙂
Bonjour Alan ,
Bientôt l'ami bientôt pas de soucis . 😉
Bonjour Alan ,
Bientôt l'ami bientôt pas de soucis . 😉
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Encore que ... Il y a certains alcools locaux que je ne me risquerait pas à boire!
Bonjour ,
Tu as raison faut faire gaffe , j'ai un copain son neveu est mort à la frontière du Laos côté Thaïlande , en fait c'était de l'alcool fabriqué maison et était frelaté .
Bonjour ,
Tu as raison faut faire gaffe , j'ai un copain son neveu est mort à la frontière du Laos côté Thaïlande , en fait c'était de l'alcool fabriqué maison et était frelaté .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Beurk! c'est surtout ma faute de conjugaison qui me fait mal au crâne!
Risquerai ...
Pour le reste je pensais surtout à ces alcools dans lesquels macérent scorpions, araignées et autres insectes (Les crapeaux qu'on sert dans la montagne ne me tentent pas plus!)
Risquerai ...
Pour le reste je pensais surtout à ces alcools dans lesquels macérent scorpions, araignées et autres insectes (Les crapeaux qu'on sert dans la montagne ne me tentent pas plus!)
Pour le reste je pensais surtout à ces alcools dans lesquels macérent scorpions, araignées et autres insectes (Les crapeaux qu'on sert dans la montagne ne me tentent pas plus!)
Moi non plus .
Moi non plus .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
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Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
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Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
.
.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)