Retour pour 90 jours aux USA sans repasser par la France
by Guillaumedec
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour
Voici ma situation
Ma copine termine ces études aux États Unis fin mai
En ce qui me concerne j'ai déjà passé août septembre et octobre avec elle la bas sans visa , simplement avec l'ESTA
J'ai quitté le territoire américain môme prévu au bout de trois mois pour me rendre en Australie
Voilà ma question : puis-je retourner aux USA directement de l'Australie pour 3 mois supplémentaire en présentant bien entendu un billet de retour pour la France 3 mois plus tard !
Ou bien dois je repasser par la France avant de retourner aux usa ?
Merci de me venir en aide
Guillaume
A moins que les américains soient complètement stupides , à partir du moment où vous avez un ESTA valable 2 ans , vous pouvez entrer X fois aux Usa en venant de n'importe où surtout si vous présentez un billet d'avion de sortie !
2 exemples personnels :
a) en 2010 , je suis entré aux Usa par la route dans le Maine dans une voiture conduite par un ami canadien or , si je suis français , je vis en Thaïlande . On m'a posé quelques questions ainsi qu'à mon ami , ils ont vérifié je ne sais pas quoi sur leur ordinateur et terminé .
b) en 2013 , tout seul , j'ai pris un bus Montréal-New York . Quelques questions à la frontière , vérifications sur leur ordinateur et fini .
Bonjour
Si je comprends bien, vs revenez aux USA 3 ou 4 semaines apres avoir déjà passé 3 mois sur place.
(Déjà c'etait 3 mois ou 90 jours? Si c'est plus de 90 jours, vs etes notés en Overstay et là ca devient embetant pour vs)
Le fait de rentrer ou non en FRANCE n'a plus guere d'importance : L'agent d'immigration va voir que vs voulez revenir pour une autre période de 3 mois, et il peut estimer que vs ne venez pas aux USA pour des raisons touristiques... Il y a un risque que vs soyez refoulé...
(Déjà c'etait 3 mois ou 90 jours? Si c'est plus de 90 jours, vs etes notés en Overstay et là ca devient embetant pour vs)
Le fait de rentrer ou non en FRANCE n'a plus guere d'importance : L'agent d'immigration va voir que vs voulez revenir pour une autre période de 3 mois, et il peut estimer que vs ne venez pas aux USA pour des raisons touristiques... Il y a un risque que vs soyez refoulé...
Bonjour
Vs etes hors sujet. Le probleme de notre ami foreumeur n'est pas une question de domicile hors France.
Enfin, le fait d'avoir un ESTA et un billet de retour ne donne absolument pas droit à un nombre de sejour illimité. Les agents d'immigration peuvent refuser l'entrée si ils estiment qu'il y a une volonté d''installation aux USA. Il n'y a pas de regles précises et definies sur ce point.
Enfin, le fait d'avoir un ESTA et un billet de retour ne donne absolument pas droit à un nombre de sejour illimité. Les agents d'immigration peuvent refuser l'entrée si ils estiment qu'il y a une volonté d''installation aux USA. Il n'y a pas de regles précises et definies sur ce point.
Hello
Non elle est encore la bas
Elle a un visa étudiant
Ces études se finissent fin mai
Moi j'ai fait les trois premiers mois avec elle
Je fais actuellement 3 mois en australie
Puis je la rejoind pour ces trois derniers mois d'école
Seulement je ne serait pas repassé par la France
Je suis resté 80 jours la première fois et la je voudrais y retourner pour 90 jours
J'aurais bien entendu acheter un billet retour vers la France avant de rentrer sur le territoire
Guillaume
Merci
En tout cas moi je n'ai aucunement l'intention de m'installer la bas ni de frauder je veux juste savoir si il est préférable pour retourner aux usa de passer par la France ou si je peux simplement prendre un billet Brisbane New York
Guillaume
Bonjour
Comme le dit JPG 13 il n'y a pas de règle précise sur le temps entre chaque séjour aux US avec l'ESTA. Une règle tacite voudrait que l'on retourne dans son pays de résidence surtout si vous passé comme vous l'avez fait 80 jours aux US .
L'officier sera le seul habilité à vous laisser entré ou non sur le territoire Américain et vous dira pour combien de temps.
Préparer vous à des questions sur votre solvabilité financière car je ne pense pas que vous ayez travaillé en Australie.
Si si j'ai un visa étudiant australien valide
Je doit y retourner en juin pour finir mon école
Je travail donc légalement en australie
Ensuite je passe par la France après les usa pour repartir en australie
Un peu compliqué je sais Mais d'après l'ambassade il n'y a aucune raison valable de me refuser cet entrée sur le territoire
Un peu compliqué je sais Mais d'après l'ambassade il n'y a aucune raison valable de me refuser cet entrée sur le territoire
Guillaume
L'Ambassade est une chose l'immigration en est une autre. Des voyageurs obtiennent des visas dans les ambassades puis sont refoulés par l'immigration.
Je voulais juste vous prévenir que vous serez peut être amené à répondre à des questions sur sur votre solvabilité , comment vous allez subvenir à vos besoin aux US par exemple .
Donc à vous lire votre pays de résidence est l'Australie , vous êtes donc comme moi je suis Français mais résident Luxembourgeois . Je n'ai jamais eu de problème mais j' ai toujours avec moi ma carte de résident Luxembourgeois au cas ou.
Je vous souhaite un bon voyage et tenez nous au courant.
Re
Le probleme pour l'officier de l'immigration est de verifier que vs respectiez les conditions de sejour aux USA. Or vs rentrez aux USA sous le statut de la dispense de visa, qui est normalement prévu pour des raisons touristiques.
L'oficier de l'immigration peut donc legitimement se demander pourquoi vs voulez enchainer 2 longs sejours, et le fait de venir d'Australie, qui n'est en soit pas reprehensible, peut l'inciter à penser que vs n'avez pas d'attaches en FRANCE...
Sur les differents forum de voyages, il y a pas mal de cas de gens dans votre situation qui retopurnent aux USA pour rejoindre un/e copain/copine, et qui sont tres embetés car l'immigration soupconne souvent une volonté de depassdement des délais legaux de sejour.
Bref, le fait que vs ayez une interruption de séjour de 3 mois joue plutot en votre faveur... Surtout prevoyez des documents indiquant que vs avez des attaches en FRANCE apres votre nouveau séjour
Le probleme pour l'officier de l'immigration est de verifier que vs respectiez les conditions de sejour aux USA. Or vs rentrez aux USA sous le statut de la dispense de visa, qui est normalement prévu pour des raisons touristiques.
L'oficier de l'immigration peut donc legitimement se demander pourquoi vs voulez enchainer 2 longs sejours, et le fait de venir d'Australie, qui n'est en soit pas reprehensible, peut l'inciter à penser que vs n'avez pas d'attaches en FRANCE...
Sur les differents forum de voyages, il y a pas mal de cas de gens dans votre situation qui retopurnent aux USA pour rejoindre un/e copain/copine, et qui sont tres embetés car l'immigration soupconne souvent une volonté de depassdement des délais legaux de sejour.
Bref, le fait que vs ayez une interruption de séjour de 3 mois joue plutot en votre faveur... Surtout prevoyez des documents indiquant que vs avez des attaches en FRANCE apres votre nouveau séjour
C'est bien pour cela que j'ai pris la précaution d'écrire " à moins que les américains soient complètement stupides " ...ou mal lunés .
Une année , en transit à Washington pour aller à Toronto , une douanière noire , énorme la pauvre a été inflexible pendant 1 h : il n'y avait plus que 2 guichets sur 6 ouverts et les gens débarquaient , débarquaient , ça débordait dans les couloirs ; au bout de 3 h , sûrement un pilote est venu et lui a passé une de ces engueulades carabinées ! Je pense que nous avons été plus de 2000 personnes qui ont manqué leur correspondance d'où une perte sèche pour les compagnies d'où l'énervement de ce pilote !
Bonjour.
Une année, en transit à Washington pour aller à Toronto, une douanière noire, énorme la pauvre a été inflexible pendant 1 h : il n'y avait plus que 2 guichets sur 6 ouverts et les gens débarquaient, débarquaient, ça débordait dans les couloirs ; au bout de 3 h, sûrement un pilote est venu et lui a passé une de ces engueulades carabinées ! Je pense que nous avons été plus de 2000 personnes qui ont manqué leur correspondance d'où une perte sèche pour les compagnies d'où l'énervement de ce pilote !
Ce n'était surement pas une douanière, mais une agent d'immigration. Quel est le rapport entre votre histoire et le fait que cette femme soit " noire " et " énorme " ?
Une année, en transit à Washington pour aller à Toronto, une douanière noire, énorme la pauvre a été inflexible pendant 1 h : il n'y avait plus que 2 guichets sur 6 ouverts et les gens débarquaient, débarquaient, ça débordait dans les couloirs ; au bout de 3 h, sûrement un pilote est venu et lui a passé une de ces engueulades carabinées ! Je pense que nous avons été plus de 2000 personnes qui ont manqué leur correspondance d'où une perte sèche pour les compagnies d'où l'énervement de ce pilote !
Ce n'était surement pas une douanière, mais une agent d'immigration. Quel est le rapport entre votre histoire et le fait que cette femme soit " noire " et " énorme " ?
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Vu que la discussion part un peu en sucette,
mon conseil est :
passe par les automates !!! 😏
En effet, tu tombes pile dans le cas prévu pour eux :
"accepté lors d'un premier séjour, et en possession du même ESTA"
et Hop ! le tour est joué ! 🙂
C'est ce que j'ai fait la dernière fois, ça m'a pris 5 minutes montre en main, et il y a quand même un agent de l'immigration en chair et en os à la sortie, mais il m'a juste demandé si je ne détenais pas plus de 10 000 $ en cash sur moi... J'ai répondu non, et je me suis retenu de dire "J'aimerais bien..."
Conseils pour circuits dans l'Ouest américain : https://voyageforum.com/forum/conseils_etablir_son_circuit_dans_ouest_americain_resume_D5303777/
Bonjour Pierre.
Il faudrait quand même voir quel est le programme qui tourne derriere les APC.
Y'a t'il un signalement des derniers passages, ou d'autres choses, qui alerteraient l'agent d'immigration à la sortie.
Autrement dans notre cas personnel, je ne trouve pas vraiment de difference avec ton experience sur les APC : sur les 2 passages faits par an à l'immigration US, ns avons rarement eu des questions sur notre voyage, 1 ou 2 fois, et encore c'etait plus par politesse de la part de l'agent de l'immigration, pour discuter un peu.
Autrement dans notre cas personnel, je ne trouve pas vraiment de difference avec ton experience sur les APC : sur les 2 passages faits par an à l'immigration US, ns avons rarement eu des questions sur notre voyage, 1 ou 2 fois, et encore c'etait plus par politesse de la part de l'agent de l'immigration, pour discuter un peu.
Bonjour,
Je rejoins Jpg13 sur le fait qu'il faut se méfier car c'est au bon jugement de l'officier de l'immigration qui décidera ou non de vous accepter sur le territoire américain. Je suis moi même allée aux USA l'hiver dernier pour trois mois afin de voir mon fiancé américain; suite à ce voyage je suis revenue trois mois en France et je suis de nouveau retournée aux USA (pour un mois) afin de préparer le mariage. L'officier d'immigration a faillit me refuser me disant que mon cas était suspicieux. J'ai cependant pu lui prouver que mes intentions n'étaient pas illégales et il a finalement tamponné mon passeport en me conseillant de ne pas revenir avant au moins 8 mois. Pas de problème puisque nous avons entamé un mois après mon départ les procédures de visa K1 pour nous marier, donc je ne retourne pas aux USA avant Mars 2016. Je m'étais renseignée il y a quelques années auprès du consulat Français à NYC qui m'avait dit que légalement tout citoyen français est censé rentrer en France pour une période d'au moins 3 mois avant de revenir sur le sol américain. Personnellement je n'ai jamais pris de risque car les américains ne rigolent pas avec ce genre de chose, d'autant que je souhaite faire ma vie là-bas. Après, dans la mesure où tu as un visa australien c'est peut-être différent... Je ne sais pas, mais méfies-toi!
Je rejoins Jpg13 sur le fait qu'il faut se méfier car c'est au bon jugement de l'officier de l'immigration qui décidera ou non de vous accepter sur le territoire américain. Je suis moi même allée aux USA l'hiver dernier pour trois mois afin de voir mon fiancé américain; suite à ce voyage je suis revenue trois mois en France et je suis de nouveau retournée aux USA (pour un mois) afin de préparer le mariage. L'officier d'immigration a faillit me refuser me disant que mon cas était suspicieux. J'ai cependant pu lui prouver que mes intentions n'étaient pas illégales et il a finalement tamponné mon passeport en me conseillant de ne pas revenir avant au moins 8 mois. Pas de problème puisque nous avons entamé un mois après mon départ les procédures de visa K1 pour nous marier, donc je ne retourne pas aux USA avant Mars 2016. Je m'étais renseignée il y a quelques années auprès du consulat Français à NYC qui m'avait dit que légalement tout citoyen français est censé rentrer en France pour une période d'au moins 3 mois avant de revenir sur le sol américain. Personnellement je n'ai jamais pris de risque car les américains ne rigolent pas avec ce genre de chose, d'autant que je souhaite faire ma vie là-bas. Après, dans la mesure où tu as un visa australien c'est peut-être différent... Je ne sais pas, mais méfies-toi!
Bonjour
Votre experience confirme ce qu'on lit ici ou là sur les sejours successifs avec l'ESTA.
Sur ce forum, je me souviens de 2 cas de français refoulés alors qu'ils venaient rejoindre leur copine etudiantes aux USA... (j'ai la flemme de rechercher).
PS / Felicitations, et tous mes voeux de bonheur...
Votre experience confirme ce qu'on lit ici ou là sur les sejours successifs avec l'ESTA.
Sur ce forum, je me souviens de 2 cas de français refoulés alors qu'ils venaient rejoindre leur copine etudiantes aux USA... (j'ai la flemme de rechercher).
PS / Felicitations, et tous mes voeux de bonheur...
Ayant travaillé volontairement 25 ans dans les DOM , je n'ai aucun problème pour dire " femme noire " . " Enorme" , j'ai ajouté "la pauvre" car elle avait un visage séduisant mais le reste était monstrueux , le genre de femme qui est obligée de passer de travers à la caisse d'un supermarché et , ayant le temps , je pensais " avec +- 60 kg en moins , elle n'aurait aucun mal à trouver un mari " car elle paraissait très jeune , moins de 25 ans sûr : quel dommage !
Le rapport , et il existe dans tous les systèmes , c'est que lorsque quelqu'un a un pouvoir de blocage quelconque et qu'il est mal luné , le citoyen lambda en face peut se retrouver coincé , dans un aéroport comme à une frontière .
Dans un aéroport , c'est une correspondance manquée et des ennuis +- importants mais se retrouver refoulé à une frontière....!
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If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
M. Buisson Eric
Hi there,
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
Hi,
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
Hi everyone,
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie





