Tolar Grande est quasi inexistant des guides et des récits de voyageurs. Pourquoi cette destination est si-peu connue? alors que certains voyageurs en reviennent enchantés.
Amandine.
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Tolar Grande: pourquoi aussi peu connu et inexistant dans les guides? (Argentine)
by Amandine5977
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Surement car son grand frère (Sud Lipez) est pas loin (550km => 12h de route) et que le prix du trek en Bolivie (pays le plus pauvre d’Amérique du sud) coûte surement moins cher que celui en Argentine.
C'est une idée comme ça. 🤪
C'est une idée comme ça. 🤪
"Un bivouac c'est un peu comme le dépucelage et la première cuite, une espèce de rite qui fais de toi un homme" (MonsieurHenri du site randonner-léger.org).
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Hola,
Tolar Grande n'est pas une destination "confortable" pour le tourisme massif.
Les risques liés à l'altitude et l'isolement sont réels et c'est aujourd'hui une destination d'aventures...Les guides papiers sont réticents à envoyer les gens au casse pipe.
Quant au recours à une agence, le prix élevé d'une excursion dans cette région reste dissuasif pour beaucoup de visiteurs.
Antofagasta de la Sierra à Catamarca est à la même enseigne.
Très bien, merci pour vos retours. Je comprends mieux, mais c'est tout de même dommage de ne pas le mentionner dans les guides tout en précisant qu'il faut impérativement un guide. Je ne suis pas une grande baroudeuse des montages mais Kalchaqui tu sembles bien connaitre la région et penses-tu qu'avec un guide cela est à la portée de tous le monde? Est-ce si beau que ça?
Merci pour vos retours.
Amandine.
Merci pour vos retours.
Amandine.
Je ne lis certes pas les guides papiers, je fais confiance au voyage qui m'emmènera ici ou là tout cet hiver.
Mais en même temps, je ne suis pas totalement suicidaire et j'essaye d'engranger le maximum d'informations et de conseils sur ce forum, entre autres.
Bref, je serai en vue du Tolar grande, le Paso San Francisco, le Lipez en Bolivie, et je ne sais où encore entre novembre et avril, en fonction de la météo, des rencontres et des surprises du voyage.
Ma question est simplement de savoir si je suis complètement fou d'envisager de traîner dans ces coins en moto et en solo... Certes avec un minimum de préparation matérielle, d'équipement, d'acclimatation à l'altitude, de prise de météo, etc. Oui, je sais, je peux tomber en panne, oui la gamelle peut arriver et une simple entorse peut devenir catastrophique.
Mais bon, j'imagine que ça passe en bécane ? Heu, une trail, bien sûr, à l'autonomie ultra gonflée...
Bref, je serai en vue du Tolar grande, le Paso San Francisco, le Lipez en Bolivie, et je ne sais où encore entre novembre et avril, en fonction de la météo, des rencontres et des surprises du voyage.
Ma question est simplement de savoir si je suis complètement fou d'envisager de traîner dans ces coins en moto et en solo... Certes avec un minimum de préparation matérielle, d'équipement, d'acclimatation à l'altitude, de prise de météo, etc. Oui, je sais, je peux tomber en panne, oui la gamelle peut arriver et une simple entorse peut devenir catastrophique.
Mais bon, j'imagine que ça passe en bécane ? Heu, une trail, bien sûr, à l'autonomie ultra gonflée...
Ma question est simplement de savoir si je suis complètement fou d'envisager de traîner dans ces coins en moto et en solo...
Certes avec un minimum de préparation matérielle, d'équipement, d'acclimatation à l'altitude, de prise de météo, etc.
Oui, je sais, je peux tomber en panne, oui la gamelle peut arriver et une simple entorse peut devenir catastrophique.
Mais bon, j'imagine que ça passe en bécane ? Heu, une trail, bien sûr, à l'autonomie ultra gonflée...
Non tu n'es pas fou à partir du moment où tu sais où tu t'engages. Tous les itinéraires sont différents en terme d'engagements. Sur certains, tu peux partir seul, pour d'autres je pense que le risque est trop grand. Une fois défini ton itinéraire, je pourrais te donner mon avis.
Saludos
Mais bon, j'imagine que ça passe en bécane ? Heu, une trail, bien sûr, à l'autonomie ultra gonflée...
Non tu n'es pas fou à partir du moment où tu sais où tu t'engages. Tous les itinéraires sont différents en terme d'engagements. Sur certains, tu peux partir seul, pour d'autres je pense que le risque est trop grand. Une fois défini ton itinéraire, je pourrais te donner mon avis.
Saludos
. Je ne suis pas une grande baroudeuse des montages mais Kalchaqui tu sembles bien connaitre la région et penses-tu qu'avec un guide cela est à la portée de tous le monde? Est-ce si beau que ça?
Bien sûr qu'un guide rendra cette excursion sécuritaire. Beau ? Je crois que cela dépend beaucoup de chacun, de ce que l'on attend, de ce que l'on aime. Le paysage est une chose, les sensations de la Puna sont aussi importantes que les paysages. Pour moi, la puna est extraordinaire....Mais peut-être pas pour tout le monde.
Suerte
Bien sûr qu'un guide rendra cette excursion sécuritaire. Beau ? Je crois que cela dépend beaucoup de chacun, de ce que l'on attend, de ce que l'on aime. Le paysage est une chose, les sensations de la Puna sont aussi importantes que les paysages. Pour moi, la puna est extraordinaire....Mais peut-être pas pour tout le monde.
Suerte
mais c'est tout de même dommage de ne pas le mentionner dans les guides tout en précisant qu'il faut impérativement un guide.
Hello,
Personnellement, je suis ravi que les guides papier/internet épargnent encore quelques endroits de ce genre... C'est sans doute mon côté égoïste, mais ce n'est vraiment pas à Tolar Grande que j'aurai envie de croiser d'autres touristes... 😛
Hello,
Personnellement, je suis ravi que les guides papier/internet épargnent encore quelques endroits de ce genre... C'est sans doute mon côté égoïste, mais ce n'est vraiment pas à Tolar Grande que j'aurai envie de croiser d'autres touristes... 😛
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
🙂😉+1
Merci beaucoup pour cette proposition de conseils sur mes itinéraires de "fou".
Mais je suis bien en peine aujourd'hui pour te soumettre quoi que ce soit, je sais juste que j'atterris au Pérou début novembre et y ai commandé une bécane. Aucune envie de Machu Pichu, mais une vrai attirance pour des espaces un peu sauvages. Je te recontacterai ici même si tu le veux bien lorsque je serai au pied du mur, avec des buts plus précis. Je n'ai fait aucun itinéraire, et n'en ferai sans doute pas avant d'être sur place...
Mais je suis bien en peine aujourd'hui pour te soumettre quoi que ce soit, je sais juste que j'atterris au Pérou début novembre et y ai commandé une bécane. Aucune envie de Machu Pichu, mais une vrai attirance pour des espaces un peu sauvages. Je te recontacterai ici même si tu le veux bien lorsque je serai au pied du mur, avec des buts plus précis. Je n'ai fait aucun itinéraire, et n'en ferai sans doute pas avant d'être sur place...
Tolar grande n'est pas donnée à tout le monde. Les personnes soufrant de l'altitude pourront pas y monter ( 4500 m ) . C'est un village isolé, il n'y a rien autour hormis une mine. Les portables ne passent pas dans les alentours. On est tombé en panne de voiture dans le désert proche de Tolar Grande avec notre guide et le chauffeur. Heureusement qu'on était accompagné sinon on aurait paniqué! Attente de plusieurs heures avant que le dentiste du village vienne nous récupérer.
Pour moi ça a été un coup de coeur et si je retourne en Argentine , je pense refaire Tolar Grande!
Pour moi ça a été un coup de coeur et si je retourne en Argentine , je pense refaire Tolar Grande!
Il faut bien revenir pour repartir!
Oui je vous ai posé quelques questions et j'ai visité à plusieurs reprises votre site internet !
Concernant Tolar Grande, j'appréhende un peu... je n'ai jamais fait de randonnées en haute altitude, je ne sais pas ce qu'est le mal des montagnes mais quand je lis les effets et les risques sur la santé, ça fait quand même bien peur... nous avons reservé via l'agenda par laquelle vous êtes passées
J'aurai donc encore quelques petites questions à vous poser si vous voulez bien :) : - Reste-on en altitude et notamment à 4500m pendant les 3 jours? - Le voyage se fait avec combien de personnes? - Y'a t'il des précautions prises par le guide? bouteilles d’oxygène au cas... - si vous avez d'autres précisions, je suis preneuse.
Vous remerciant par avance,
Amandine
Concernant Tolar Grande, j'appréhende un peu... je n'ai jamais fait de randonnées en haute altitude, je ne sais pas ce qu'est le mal des montagnes mais quand je lis les effets et les risques sur la santé, ça fait quand même bien peur... nous avons reservé via l'agenda par laquelle vous êtes passées
J'aurai donc encore quelques petites questions à vous poser si vous voulez bien :) : - Reste-on en altitude et notamment à 4500m pendant les 3 jours? - Le voyage se fait avec combien de personnes? - Y'a t'il des précautions prises par le guide? bouteilles d’oxygène au cas... - si vous avez d'autres précisions, je suis preneuse.
Vous remerciant par avance,
Amandine
Bonjour Amandine,
Si tu as réservé avec Onerom World Travel ils ont dû t'envoyer tous ces renseignements, comme à nous:
San Antonio – Tolar Grande – San Antonio
3 días. Con salidas todo el año.
Mínimo: 2 personas - Máximo 16 personas Aquellos que viajen solos, consultar para sumarse a algún grupo.
Transporte – 2 noches de alojamiento en Refugio Municipal o Casa de Familia – guía en español (por otro idioma consultar) – seguro de pasajero transportado – tubo de oxigeno – snack – comidas (1 almuerzo, 2 cenas y 2 desayunos en Tolar Grande).
Bebidas de ningún tipo – propinas – cualquier otro extra no especificado.
San Antonio de los Cobres – Olacapato – Salar de Pocitos - Desierto del Diablo - Tolar Grande - Ojos de Mar - El Arenal - Salar de Arizaro –Base del Cono de Arita.
Un viaje místico hacia el corazón de la Puna Salteña, donde visitaremos de la mano de los tolareños este encantador pueblo y sus alrededores, nos guiará uno o más habitantes locales, comeremos en comedores de familias y estaremos en contacto con los artesanos del lugar para comprar a buen precio sus productos. Este tour nos permitirá recorrer desde los Ojos de Mar, hasta el extenso Salar de Arizaro y su Cono de Arita, realizar una caminata hacia el mirador de El Arenal donde contemplaremos volcanes y montañas que superan los 5500 m.s.n.m. tales como el Aracar, Macón, Llullaillaco, Socompa, Arizaro, entre otros. La naturaleza impactante del lugar, combinado con la cordialidad y simpatía de los lugareños (pertenecientes a la Etnia Kolla) harán que los visitantes experimenten la sensación de estar en otro mundo y sientan un gran afecto por estos habitantes andinos después de haber compartido 3 días inolvidables junto a ellos.
Día 1: solo paradas para fotografías/ Día 2: Ojos de Mar: 30 min., El Arenal: 30 min., Cono de Arita: 1 hora, Día 3: solo paradas para fotografías
Llevar ropa cómoda y de abrigo (de Alta Montaña o similar) – En lo posible una linterna personal - Música Preferida para admirar estos paisajes acompañados de una buena melodía - Protector Solar – Anteojos para sol – Cámara y / o filmadora – Calzado cómodo (de Trekking o similar) – Hidratarse constantemente durante el tour. Animarse a probar hojas de coca o té de coca cuando el guía lo sugiera.
Pour le Mal des montagnes, il existe 3 règles d'or de la progression en altitude:
Ne pas monter trop vite trop haut Monter suffisamment haut pour s'acclimater Ne pas rester trop haut trop longtemps
Si on est préparés et qu'on ne stresse pas, pas de problème. Ne pas boire d'alcool et manger léger, emporter des feuilles de coca à coincer entre la joue et la gencive, et aussi si possible dans une thermos des infusions (sucrées, c'est quand même meilleur😉) de feuilles de coca (et non de tisane de coca en sachet). Mon mari, qui fait de l'apnée du sommeil et est donc plus "à risques", a finalement bien supporté des altitudes de 4800 m et le passage sur l'altiplano chilien entre Putre et Colchane à l'automne dernier.
Bon voyage!
Pascale
Si tu as réservé avec Onerom World Travel ils ont dû t'envoyer tous ces renseignements, comme à nous:
San Antonio – Tolar Grande – San Antonio
3 días. Con salidas todo el año.
Mínimo: 2 personas - Máximo 16 personas Aquellos que viajen solos, consultar para sumarse a algún grupo.
Transporte – 2 noches de alojamiento en Refugio Municipal o Casa de Familia – guía en español (por otro idioma consultar) – seguro de pasajero transportado – tubo de oxigeno – snack – comidas (1 almuerzo, 2 cenas y 2 desayunos en Tolar Grande).
Bebidas de ningún tipo – propinas – cualquier otro extra no especificado.
San Antonio de los Cobres – Olacapato – Salar de Pocitos - Desierto del Diablo - Tolar Grande - Ojos de Mar - El Arenal - Salar de Arizaro –Base del Cono de Arita.
Un viaje místico hacia el corazón de la Puna Salteña, donde visitaremos de la mano de los tolareños este encantador pueblo y sus alrededores, nos guiará uno o más habitantes locales, comeremos en comedores de familias y estaremos en contacto con los artesanos del lugar para comprar a buen precio sus productos. Este tour nos permitirá recorrer desde los Ojos de Mar, hasta el extenso Salar de Arizaro y su Cono de Arita, realizar una caminata hacia el mirador de El Arenal donde contemplaremos volcanes y montañas que superan los 5500 m.s.n.m. tales como el Aracar, Macón, Llullaillaco, Socompa, Arizaro, entre otros. La naturaleza impactante del lugar, combinado con la cordialidad y simpatía de los lugareños (pertenecientes a la Etnia Kolla) harán que los visitantes experimenten la sensación de estar en otro mundo y sientan un gran afecto por estos habitantes andinos después de haber compartido 3 días inolvidables junto a ellos.
Día 1: solo paradas para fotografías/ Día 2: Ojos de Mar: 30 min., El Arenal: 30 min., Cono de Arita: 1 hora, Día 3: solo paradas para fotografías
Llevar ropa cómoda y de abrigo (de Alta Montaña o similar) – En lo posible una linterna personal - Música Preferida para admirar estos paisajes acompañados de una buena melodía - Protector Solar – Anteojos para sol – Cámara y / o filmadora – Calzado cómodo (de Trekking o similar) – Hidratarse constantemente durante el tour. Animarse a probar hojas de coca o té de coca cuando el guía lo sugiera.
Pour le Mal des montagnes, il existe 3 règles d'or de la progression en altitude:
Ne pas monter trop vite trop haut Monter suffisamment haut pour s'acclimater Ne pas rester trop haut trop longtemps
Si on est préparés et qu'on ne stresse pas, pas de problème. Ne pas boire d'alcool et manger léger, emporter des feuilles de coca à coincer entre la joue et la gencive, et aussi si possible dans une thermos des infusions (sucrées, c'est quand même meilleur😉) de feuilles de coca (et non de tisane de coca en sachet). Mon mari, qui fait de l'apnée du sommeil et est donc plus "à risques", a finalement bien supporté des altitudes de 4800 m et le passage sur l'altiplano chilien entre Putre et Colchane à l'automne dernier.
Bon voyage!
Pascale
En passant déjà par Salta on commence un peu à s'acclimater de l'altitude puis on refait une pause à San Antonio de los Cobres pour prendre un repas.
Le chauffeur Lorenzo (si c'est encore lui) pourra vous donner quelques feuilles de coca pour gouter. Ils ajoutent des fois du bicarbonate.
Pour l'expédition on était que 2 mais si il y a + de personnes je pense que l'agence demandent une voiture supplémentaire.
Je vous conseille de demander au chauffeur de vous heberger. Ca sera mieux que le refuge .
Ne stressez pas , ça sera fabuleux! Pensez à bien recharger vos appareils photos et vidéo!
Pour l'expédition on était que 2 mais si il y a + de personnes je pense que l'agence demandent une voiture supplémentaire.
Je vous conseille de demander au chauffeur de vous heberger. Ca sera mieux que le refuge .
Ne stressez pas , ça sera fabuleux! Pensez à bien recharger vos appareils photos et vidéo!
Il faut bien revenir pour repartir!
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Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello everyone!
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine