Voyage en 4x4 en Namibie et au Botswana
by Kinireve
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Nous partons du 23 décembre au 23 janvier et envisagons de suivre a peu près le trajet suivant :
Windhoek - Sossusvlei- walvis bay- swakopmund - brandberg - etosha -rudu - sha kawe -tsodillo hills - okavango -maun - gobabis - windhoek.
Certes , ce n'est pas la meilleure période (mais un choix assumé, nous avons déjà visité la namibie en janvier sans que la chaleur et la pluie ne nous gènent trop).
Nous allons louer un 4x4 avec des tentes sur le toit, partons avec nos 2 enfants (11 et 13 ans). Nous avons déjà voyagé 6 fois en Afrique du Sud.
Voila mes interrogations :
- circuit trop long ou faisable ?
- faisable de pousser jusqu'à fish river canyon ?
- partie au botswana pas trop galère à cette époque pour nous qui sommes relativement peu expérimentés en conduite 4x4 ?
J'ai pensé à une trame générale , je suis d'accord avec (....), qui sur ce site déconseille de trop réserver , j'aime aussi improviser en fonction des ressentis.
mais toute suggestion est bonne à entendre.
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Bonjour,
Nous avons fait plus ou moins le même trajet (moins Maun, plus Epupa) l'été 2008 et ça c'est très bien passé. Donc en un mois, je ne pense pas que ce soit trop. Même Fish River, pourquoi pas…
La partie que vous souhaitez faire au Botswana ne me semble pas poser problème. Entre Shakawe et Maun c'est du goudron puis vers Gobabis aussi et je n'imagine pas que les 40 km de piste vers Tsodillo Hills puissent être submergés. C'est au Nord de Maun que les choses se corsent, je ne sait pas si vous avez prévu d'y aller.
Pour les réservations… Attention, en particulier sur la côte, c'est la période des congés scolaires là-bas ! Il paraît que Swakopmund et Walvis Bay sont submergés de touristes pendant les fêtes de fin d'année.
Bonne préparation !
Comme le fait remarquer Pierre77N, si tu comptes aller du côté de Moremi, en cette période à en lire les C.R des habitués qui s'y sont embourbés des dizaines de fois, en cette période, c'est parfois l'enfer.
Pour les résas, si tu veux camper dans Sesriem sans réserver : c'est la roulette russe. Pour Moremi c'est pire.... Pour le reste en Namibie, il y a beaucoup de campsites privés, beaucoup de lodges avec emplacements campsites, cela devrait être faisable. Mais c'est toujours le même dilemme : Réserver or not réserver. Les anti diront que cela gâche le plaisir, enlève un petit charme à l'aventure, impose des contraintes ... c'est pas faux... Les pour te diront qu'arriver le soir dans un endroit où le prochain camps est loin et de te voir dire que c'est complet ..c'est ballot...faire des centaines de kilomètres pour accéder à un site rare et de ne pouvoir y entrer faute de place, c'est navrant.
En gros, je pense que si tu as le temps et pas d'itinéraire précis : non faut pas réserver . Autrement, tu risques des déceptions, des contre-temps et des regrets.
Pour les résas, si tu veux camper dans Sesriem sans réserver : c'est la roulette russe. Pour Moremi c'est pire.... Pour le reste en Namibie, il y a beaucoup de campsites privés, beaucoup de lodges avec emplacements campsites, cela devrait être faisable. Mais c'est toujours le même dilemme : Réserver or not réserver. Les anti diront que cela gâche le plaisir, enlève un petit charme à l'aventure, impose des contraintes ... c'est pas faux... Les pour te diront qu'arriver le soir dans un endroit où le prochain camps est loin et de te voir dire que c'est complet ..c'est ballot...faire des centaines de kilomètres pour accéder à un site rare et de ne pouvoir y entrer faute de place, c'est navrant.
En gros, je pense que si tu as le temps et pas d'itinéraire précis : non faut pas réserver . Autrement, tu risques des déceptions, des contre-temps et des regrets.
Ton circuit m'a l'air tout à fait faisable en 1 mois. Probablement que tu peux pousser jusqu'à Fish River, mais pourquoi ne pas passer plus de temps dans le Damaraland (Sesfontein / Palmwag / Opuwo) ?
Pour le Botswana, pas de souci : la partie Shakawe -< Maun -> Gobabis, c'est de la route goudronnée à 100%. Seul bémol pour Tsodillo Hills : la piste est déjà très dure en saison sèche, alors quand il pleut, ça peut donner des choses "sympa". Si vous décidiez d'aller dans Moremi, là ça serait complètement différent !!
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Bonjour,
Trajet plutôt faisable. Jetes un coup d'oeil sur mon blog, le 2e ci-dessous, à partir de la page 10. Si tu regardes la carte nous avos fait ça en 8 jours, donc faire le double en un mois, cela me paraît tout à fait faisable.
Sinon nous y sommes allés fin février, donc le climat était moins pluvieux qu'en janvier, ceci dit on n'a pas eu de problème avec l'humidité (on est quand même en Namibie lol).
Très beau voyage en perspective en tout cas.
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Trajet plutôt faisable. Jetes un coup d'oeil sur mon blog, le 2e ci-dessous, à partir de la page 10. Si tu regardes la carte nous avos fait ça en 8 jours, donc faire le double en un mois, cela me paraît tout à fait faisable.
Sinon nous y sommes allés fin février, donc le climat était moins pluvieux qu'en janvier, ceci dit on n'a pas eu de problème avec l'humidité (on est quand même en Namibie lol).
Très beau voyage en perspective en tout cas.
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j'avoue n'avoir pas encore vu en détail le trajet au Botswana ..... Qu'entends -tu par "très différent dans le Moremi" ? Je vais étudier ça en détail et on fera ce qu'il est raisonnable de faire à cette saison.
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bon, tu m'as démasquée...
d'abord en janvier il fait très très chaud au fish river canyon , non ? de plus tout le site n'est pas accessible..
chobe par kasane , j'y ai pensé, mais pas de Tsodillo hills alors.... et après Chobe, quelle route pour revenir sur windhoek? La nous sommes en saison des pluies, et tout n'est pas praticable...
ps : revenons d'un petit tour à Mafate : magnifique ! le rève pour Odile...
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Goudron jusqu'à Kasane. Ensuite nous avons pris un morning drive puis un sunset cruise qui nous ont tellement plu que nous y sommes retourné l'année suivante. Mais moi je n'aurais jamais voulu circuler avec ma propre voiture dans ce parc. Même le guide s'est ensablé.. Puis goudron jusqu'à Maun par Nata. Route un peu monotone. Puis Buitepos : super camping quelques kms apès la frontière Namibienne avec des léopards et guépards, un bush walk etc.. Puis Windhoek.. et Le Cap en passant par le Fish River Canyon.
Mais je crois qu'on va se téléphoner..
Odile
quand vous voulez !
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Bonjour
Je suis allé au mois de juin 11 jours
Votre circuit est bien mais sauf si vous voulez voir des Pélicans et des
Otaries, les villes de Walwis Bay et Swakopmund peuvent être évité
confort à l'occidentale et en plus très moche surtout quand on arrive du Namib
ou du Kunene
Aussi faite attention avec votre loueur de 4x4 surprise avec Asco Car Hire même avec assurance tous risque, nous ont fait payer erraflure sur caisse 75Nd sympa et jusqu'à charger sur les 2 reservoirs 8 litres de fioul qui manquait aussi et si on ne payait pas: pas de transfert a airport... pas très cordial le final chez eux et l'accueil aussi à éviter donc ... et faite attention aux crevaisons ça nous est arrivé, la on a fait réparer pour 40Nd !! chez dunlop à Walvis sympa ne pas signaler au loueur que vous avez crevé sinon 100€ de plus.. et bien controler les pneux les notres étaient déja bien usés
sinon vous avez largement le temps de vous balader , essayer aussi d'aller sur Ruacana le plus beau coin avec le désert du Namib pour mon fils et moi....
Bonne route
Aussi faite attention avec votre loueur de 4x4 surprise avec Asco Car Hire même avec assurance tous risque, nous ont fait payer erraflure sur caisse 75Nd sympa et jusqu'à charger sur les 2 reservoirs 8 litres de fioul qui manquait aussi et si on ne payait pas: pas de transfert a airport... pas très cordial le final chez eux et l'accueil aussi à éviter donc ... et faite attention aux crevaisons ça nous est arrivé, la on a fait réparer pour 40Nd !! chez dunlop à Walvis sympa ne pas signaler au loueur que vous avez crevé sinon 100€ de plus.. et bien controler les pneux les notres étaient déja bien usés
sinon vous avez largement le temps de vous balader , essayer aussi d'aller sur Ruacana le plus beau coin avec le désert du Namib pour mon fils et moi....
Bonne route
Bacci
merci kunene,
mais pas de bol , on a pensé louer avec ascocarhire, contact sérieux et rapide, contrairement aux autres loueurs contactés qui n'ont pas daigné répondre pour l'instant! alors je veux bien passer par un autre loueur, mais lequel?
OK pour Swakopmund, mais c'est juste un passage....
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Je viens de regarder ton message et les differentes reponses car je pars egalement en Namibie -Botswana mais du 19 janvier au 19 mars.Je sais que ce n'est pas top pour le climat mais les vacances tombent à ce moment là , donc obligés !J'ai reservé un 4X4 avec tente sur le toit et je n'ai pas trop d'idée sur l'itineraire.Depart de Joburg , ensuite Livingstone et les chutes Victoria , traversée du Botswana puis Namibie et retour à Joburg par le nord de l'Afrique du Sud.Nous n'avons pas d'experience de conduite en 4X4 .Est -ce que ce n'est pas trop dur ?Et est-ce qu'il ne fait pas trop chaud pour visiter le Kgalagadi transfrontier park?
En esperant que quelqu'un aura des suggestions à me proposer,
Romelito
il y a 15 ans , nous avons visité l'Afrique du Sud , la Namibie et les chutes Vicoria à la même époque. Il a fait chaud, certes , parfois jusqu'à 45° le jour à Etosha.... mais rien d'insupportable. Le problème c'est plutot la pluie au Botswana , non ? Quand à la conduite 4x4, peut-être ne pas débuter par les pistes les plus dures ?
Certes, un rêve de beignet, c'est un rêve, pas un beignet. Mais un rêve de voyage, c'est déjà un voyage.
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While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
Hello,
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!