Voyage éthique, équitable, solidaire
by Izanora
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
je recherche des témoignages de personnes ayant participées ou organisée un circuit de type éthique, solidaire, équitable etc.
et aussi vos avis sur la questions.
Isabelle.
ps : pourquoi ? parceque je projette peut etre un jour d'en organiser avec mon mari afin d'aider au develloppement autonome des villages de sa région, et aussi afin de nous faire vivre lui et moi une vie plus digne ici au Maroc ou rien n'est facile.
Merci à vous tous.
Isabelle.
"La liberté de la graine réside dans l'accomplissement de sa nature qui est de devenir un arbre"
Rabindranath Tagora
Perso, je n'ai jamais rien vu de pareil, mais dans le fond, beaucoup pratiquent le tourisme "responsable" individuellement.
Mais si une telle initiative existait, je trouverais cela très bien.
Bien que j'exècre les voyages en groupe/organisés, je peux concevoir que beaucoup ne savent voyager QUE comme ça et effectivement, se serait génial qu'ils aient la possibilité de voyager "équitable". Comme pour le café, le soja, etc, l' "équitable business" est un beau concept s'il est bien pratiqué.
Courage à toi et à ton mari et bravo pour l'initiative si vous vous y mettez!
Mais si une telle initiative existait, je trouverais cela très bien.
Bien que j'exècre les voyages en groupe/organisés, je peux concevoir que beaucoup ne savent voyager QUE comme ça et effectivement, se serait génial qu'ils aient la possibilité de voyager "équitable". Comme pour le café, le soja, etc, l' "équitable business" est un beau concept s'il est bien pratiqué.
Courage à toi et à ton mari et bravo pour l'initiative si vous vous y mettez!
Voyage éthique, équitable, solidaire...
Ah, c'est beau! Je pense que c'est une bonne idée. Ces trois adjectifs sont très vendeur. Ca attirera toutes les personnes voulant se donner bonne conscience en voyageant. Il faudrait prévoir une ou deux journées d'humanitaire dans les séjours...
Ca me rappelle ces vendeurs de Kebab ou de bonbons en Allemagne qui avaient des affiches "5% reversé pour les victimes du Tsunami". L'idée est généreuse mais personnellement, ça me donne un peu la nausée de me dire qu'ils ont augmenter leur chiffre d'affaire grâce à ça.
On peut donner et aider les gens sans utiliser cette générosité comme un argument de marketing, même si c'est à la mode...
Ah, c'est beau! Je pense que c'est une bonne idée. Ces trois adjectifs sont très vendeur. Ca attirera toutes les personnes voulant se donner bonne conscience en voyageant. Il faudrait prévoir une ou deux journées d'humanitaire dans les séjours...
Ca me rappelle ces vendeurs de Kebab ou de bonbons en Allemagne qui avaient des affiches "5% reversé pour les victimes du Tsunami". L'idée est généreuse mais personnellement, ça me donne un peu la nausée de me dire qu'ils ont augmenter leur chiffre d'affaire grâce à ça.
On peut donner et aider les gens sans utiliser cette générosité comme un argument de marketing, même si c'est à la mode...
ben en fait c'est pas ca que je veux réaliser, tu me juges un peu vite, je me moque de l'argent à gogo, j'en ai jamais eu et j'en veux pas. je veux juste vivre, entreprendre pour ne pas parasiter, sortir mon mari de l'esclavage dans lequel il se trouve, faire un boulot que j'aime et utile, en partenariat avec des villages que j'aime, et il m'est venu quelques idées qui sont trés loin de ce dont tu m'accuses. ceci étant dit, j'ai déjà ressenti ce dont tu parles. tout est questions de sincérité. et tout le monde n'est pas sincére. mais tout le monde non plus n'est pas hypocrite. tout dépend de l'intention.
"La liberté de la graine réside dans l'accomplissement de sa nature qui est de devenir un arbre"
Rabindranath Tagora
Izanora, je ne te juges pas, vraiment!! Je ne veux pas t'accuser personnellement non plus! Ne te justifie pas, tu ne me dois rien. Je voulais juste écrire ce que me suggère souvent ce genre d'entreprise. C'est une réaction un peu épidermique, certes. Ce n'est pas adressé contre toi, je ne te connais même pas. C'est peut-être plus contre les nigauds qui voyagent comme cela.
Ce que tu fais, à vrai dire, ça m'est complètement égal.
Ce que tu fais, à vrai dire, ça m'est complètement égal.
moi j'ai fait un voyage au népal avec une agence de Kathmandou dont le slogan est "marchez utile". Un riche Niçois est le patron de cette petite agence: il engage des guides, les envoie à l'Alliance Française puis une fois qu'ils parlent français les envoient en trek !! une grosse part de l'argent de ton voyage est utilisée pour un orphelinat et un dispensaire au népal, que tu peux bien évidemment visiter si le coeur t'en dit. Cette petite agence propose aussi des circuits au Tibet mais là ton fric ne va plus du tout dans la même poche🤪!!
J'ai adoré leur concept, leur ouverture d'esprit...tu voyages différement!
"le temps d'apprendre à vivre il est déjà trop tard" Aragon
exactement...tout simplement parce qu'en tant qu'agence ils font les choses légalement...donc permis pour le Tibet😠. Mieux vaut donc faire un tour avec eux au Népal 🙂mais aller au Tibet par la Chine...en illégal 😄!!
"le temps d'apprendre à vivre il est déjà trop tard" Aragon
je suis un peu surpris car ce sont des dynamiques deja existantes et principalement au maroc !
Roger
Qques infos sur le tourisme solidaire et équitable.
Il existe en France une dizaine d'associations, membres de la Plateforme Pour le Commerce Equitable, qui proposent des voyages solidaires et équitables (La Route des Sens, Rencontres au Bout du Monde, Croq'Nature, Vision du Monde, Tourisme et Développement solidaires, ...). Ces associations proposent des voyages de découvertes, de rencontres et d'échanges. Une partie du prix du voyage (6% à la Route Des Sens) est destinée à financer des actions de développement diverses dans les communautés qui accueillent les visiteurs. Ces communautés sont à l'origine même des projets. Ce sont elles qui mettent en place et qui organisent l'accueil des voyageurs. C'est une économie directe et équitable. Le voyageur peut vérifier sur place l'avancée des projets mis en place en collaboration avec les communautés.
Je te donne l'adresse du site internet de La Route des Sens avec qui je suis parti au Panama. Ils ont d'ailleurs un projet en cours au Maroc. N'hésites pas à les contacter, ils ont l'habitude et ils se feront un plaisir de répondre à tes questions : http://laroutedessens.free.fr Tu trouveras également sur leur site les liens vers les autres assoc' de tourisme solidaire.
Ce qu'il faut savoir c'est que ces associations ne sont pas des agences de voyages. Ce sont de petites structures où la plupart des gens sont bénévoles. La volonté n'est donc pas de faire du profit mais bel et bien d'essayer d'apporter une aide au développement par l'intermédiaire du tourisme.
Ces associations sont d'ailleurs en train de se réunir au sein de l'ATES : Association pour le Tourisme Equitable et Solidaire. Une charte est également en cours de rédaction pour éviter les dérives et pour exiger des critères stricts aux associations qui utilisent cette appellation "Equitable et Solidaire".
a+ vincent
Il existe en France une dizaine d'associations, membres de la Plateforme Pour le Commerce Equitable, qui proposent des voyages solidaires et équitables (La Route des Sens, Rencontres au Bout du Monde, Croq'Nature, Vision du Monde, Tourisme et Développement solidaires, ...). Ces associations proposent des voyages de découvertes, de rencontres et d'échanges. Une partie du prix du voyage (6% à la Route Des Sens) est destinée à financer des actions de développement diverses dans les communautés qui accueillent les visiteurs. Ces communautés sont à l'origine même des projets. Ce sont elles qui mettent en place et qui organisent l'accueil des voyageurs. C'est une économie directe et équitable. Le voyageur peut vérifier sur place l'avancée des projets mis en place en collaboration avec les communautés.
Je te donne l'adresse du site internet de La Route des Sens avec qui je suis parti au Panama. Ils ont d'ailleurs un projet en cours au Maroc. N'hésites pas à les contacter, ils ont l'habitude et ils se feront un plaisir de répondre à tes questions : http://laroutedessens.free.fr Tu trouveras également sur leur site les liens vers les autres assoc' de tourisme solidaire.
Ce qu'il faut savoir c'est que ces associations ne sont pas des agences de voyages. Ce sont de petites structures où la plupart des gens sont bénévoles. La volonté n'est donc pas de faire du profit mais bel et bien d'essayer d'apporter une aide au développement par l'intermédiaire du tourisme.
Ces associations sont d'ailleurs en train de se réunir au sein de l'ATES : Association pour le Tourisme Equitable et Solidaire. Une charte est également en cours de rédaction pour éviter les dérives et pour exiger des critères stricts aux associations qui utilisent cette appellation "Equitable et Solidaire".
a+ vincent
"Riqueza de verdad no tiene precio, ni se compra ni se vende." Ojos de Brujo, Techari
Site de photos : http://web.vincentcaillard.free.fr
Site de photos : http://web.vincentcaillard.free.fr
merci rogerbarthas pour ta réponse, en fait je souhaitais seulement collecter des témoignages de voyageurs et completer les informations que j'ai collecter. Effectivement ces initiatives sont abondantes dans le sud maroc.
"La liberté de la graine réside dans l'accomplissement de sa nature qui est de devenir un arbre"
Rabindranath Tagora
Bonsoir Izanora,
N'hésite pas à aller faire un tour sur le site de l'association Echoway (www.echoway.org) Ils commencent à se faire connaître dans le milieu et à avoir une petite expérience.
Bonne chance dans ton projet.
N'hésite pas à aller faire un tour sur le site de l'association Echoway (www.echoway.org) Ils commencent à se faire connaître dans le milieu et à avoir une petite expérience.
Bonne chance dans ton projet.
"C'est une triste chose de songer que la nature parle et que le genre humain ne l'écoute pas"
Victor Hugo
Merci Muskan. En fait je suis déjà allez sur leur site et leur ai envoyé un mail pour entrer en contact avec eux...mais ils ne m'ont pas répondu. Je suis une petite semaine à Paris, et j'ai noté leur adresse dans la capitale, et j'irais bien faire un tour vers chez eux.
"La liberté de la graine réside dans l'accomplissement de sa nature qui est de devenir un arbre"
Rabindranath Tagora
Salut.
Je serais plutot septique sur l idee..
C est un peu comme le commerce equitable, le capitalisme a visage humain et tous les pareil mais en un peu moins pire...
Dans ma conception le tourisme est assez fondamentalement negatif et au mieux spectacularise les cultures un peu differentes de la culture dominante occidentalo developpee.. Donc meme solidaire ou ethique ou jenesaisquoi, il peut pas apporter vraiment autre chose que son fric et donc du developpement et donc de la societe industrielle et donc la meme merde qu ailleur au petit village jesaispasou qui vivait encore de son agriculture vivriere et que le gentil blanc aura paye 10 euros par jour pour visiter et financer un peu d occidentalisation (le developpement, est ce autre chose, en terme de rapport au monde?)
Pas de boulot de merde pour ton maris et du temps de qualite.. je me tournerais plus vers faire vivre une culture locale qui me plaise a quelque part d ou que je vienne ou qui me plaise... faire vivre de dedant un petit village quelque part, ca me semble plus louable que le spectaculariser, et je crois que la position du simple local est toujours que celle du touriste etranger.. Vivre simplement une culture vecue me parait plus simpa qu organiser des tours ethiques pour des gens avec forcement du fric et qui vont consommer du petrole pour se depaiser avec de la bonne conscience en plus pour apres pouvoir reprendre une vie contestable et pas forcement sympa...
Je serais plutot septique sur l idee..
C est un peu comme le commerce equitable, le capitalisme a visage humain et tous les pareil mais en un peu moins pire...
Dans ma conception le tourisme est assez fondamentalement negatif et au mieux spectacularise les cultures un peu differentes de la culture dominante occidentalo developpee.. Donc meme solidaire ou ethique ou jenesaisquoi, il peut pas apporter vraiment autre chose que son fric et donc du developpement et donc de la societe industrielle et donc la meme merde qu ailleur au petit village jesaispasou qui vivait encore de son agriculture vivriere et que le gentil blanc aura paye 10 euros par jour pour visiter et financer un peu d occidentalisation (le developpement, est ce autre chose, en terme de rapport au monde?)
Pas de boulot de merde pour ton maris et du temps de qualite.. je me tournerais plus vers faire vivre une culture locale qui me plaise a quelque part d ou que je vienne ou qui me plaise... faire vivre de dedant un petit village quelque part, ca me semble plus louable que le spectaculariser, et je crois que la position du simple local est toujours que celle du touriste etranger.. Vivre simplement une culture vecue me parait plus simpa qu organiser des tours ethiques pour des gens avec forcement du fric et qui vont consommer du petrole pour se depaiser avec de la bonne conscience en plus pour apres pouvoir reprendre une vie contestable et pas forcement sympa...
'Le vrai miracle, c'est la foi des hommes..'
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Le tourisme n'est-il vraiment que spectacularisation ? N'est-il pas légitime qu'un jeune songhaï aspire au confort dont tu jouis ? América... France... Comment concilies-tu cela avec l'écologie radicale ? Sans pétrole et sans argent ? Puisque tout cela n'est que nuisance.
Sam 🙂
Le tourisme n'est-il vraiment que spectacularisation ? N'est-il pas légitime qu'un jeune songhaï aspire au confort dont tu jouis ? América... France... Comment concilies-tu cela avec l'écologie radicale ? Sans pétrole et sans argent ? Puisque tout cela n'est que nuisance.
Sam 🙂
Mouais...
C'est un déni cher camarade tout ça! De l'utopie de super marché voir de comptoir de deux écolos bourrés qui vont refaire le monde six mois et reviendront pénard dans leurs pénates une fois leur "idéal" accomplit. Avec la bonne conscience que tu dépeint si bien... Tu sais combien de pétrole tu vas gaspiller pour te rendre en Amérique? "Pour pouvoir reprendre une vie contestable et pas forcément sympa" (sik nk) après? Tu juges un peu vite les gens.
La réalité c'est que tourisme il y a et que tourisme il y aura. Autant essayer qu'il soit le plus "équitable" possible ou alors préfère-tu le laisser aux promoteurs qui eux n'auront aucun scrupule à exploiter leurs employés? Le tourisme équitable, comme le commerce équitable, n'est évidemment pas à l'abri de débordements de ce type, mais ne même pas essayer, c'est jeter le bébé avec l'eau du bain.
C'est un déni cher camarade tout ça! De l'utopie de super marché voir de comptoir de deux écolos bourrés qui vont refaire le monde six mois et reviendront pénard dans leurs pénates une fois leur "idéal" accomplit. Avec la bonne conscience que tu dépeint si bien... Tu sais combien de pétrole tu vas gaspiller pour te rendre en Amérique? "Pour pouvoir reprendre une vie contestable et pas forcément sympa" (sik nk) après? Tu juges un peu vite les gens.
La réalité c'est que tourisme il y a et que tourisme il y aura. Autant essayer qu'il soit le plus "équitable" possible ou alors préfère-tu le laisser aux promoteurs qui eux n'auront aucun scrupule à exploiter leurs employés? Le tourisme équitable, comme le commerce équitable, n'est évidemment pas à l'abri de débordements de ce type, mais ne même pas essayer, c'est jeter le bébé avec l'eau du bain.
Spectacularisation..
Beh j aurais tendance a penser que oui; plus que vecu en tout cas, dans pas mal de cas..
Que le songhai aspire au confort dont je jouis je sais pas - hors mouvement je jouie pas forcement d un tas de confort - et tous les songhai aspirent pas forcement au niveau occidental d acces a la marchandise - si c est ca que tu entendais par la.
America... France.... Hum.
America je sais pas; sans argent ca se fait bien - comme dans tous les pays riches. Sans petrole c est plus dur, mais on est dans un monde ou le petrole et le deplacement est quand meme accessible... Nihilisme a deux balles peut etre, crammons le petrole tant qu il y en a et faisons du stop pour rencontrer des gens, ici et ailleur; meme si tout n est que nuisance et qu il faudrait mieux faire de l agriculture sauvage dans un coin recule...
France y a des tas de trucs a faire, sans argent et sans petrole, meme si le sans argent est problematique pour l acces a la terre et que le squat rural c est sympa mais limite pour un projet perenne - genre se faire expulser quand t as juste demarre ton verger, ca fait chier...
Je pense sincerement que ca soit faire de la merde; mais un je ne sais quoi me fait continuer mon alienation de vagabond qui tatte le global village plutot que construire l autonomie, maintenant.
Subjectivite...
Allez je me motive et je rentre.
Hum...
Que le songhai aspire au confort dont je jouis je sais pas - hors mouvement je jouie pas forcement d un tas de confort - et tous les songhai aspirent pas forcement au niveau occidental d acces a la marchandise - si c est ca que tu entendais par la.
America... France.... Hum.
America je sais pas; sans argent ca se fait bien - comme dans tous les pays riches. Sans petrole c est plus dur, mais on est dans un monde ou le petrole et le deplacement est quand meme accessible... Nihilisme a deux balles peut etre, crammons le petrole tant qu il y en a et faisons du stop pour rencontrer des gens, ici et ailleur; meme si tout n est que nuisance et qu il faudrait mieux faire de l agriculture sauvage dans un coin recule...
France y a des tas de trucs a faire, sans argent et sans petrole, meme si le sans argent est problematique pour l acces a la terre et que le squat rural c est sympa mais limite pour un projet perenne - genre se faire expulser quand t as juste demarre ton verger, ca fait chier...
Je pense sincerement que ca soit faire de la merde; mais un je ne sais quoi me fait continuer mon alienation de vagabond qui tatte le global village plutot que construire l autonomie, maintenant.
Subjectivite...
Allez je me motive et je rentre.
Hum...
'Le vrai miracle, c'est la foi des hommes..'
Je pense pas que la vie soit forcement pas sympa et contestable, en occident comme ailleur; et je disais ca vis a vis d iza qui parlais de l esclavage de son mari - l esclavage me semble pas sympa et contestable, comme le salariat, tient. Or c est souvent des gens salaries qui vont se payer un tour ethique equitable et jenesaisquoi.
C etait pas un jugement hatif meme si je pense quand meme que la plupart des gens qui font du tourisme - surtout quand ils recherchent de l ethique - ils ont du cash pour se le payer, et le cash il faut se l acheter, et le travail pour acheter le cash est souvent pas sympa et dans tous les cas contestable me semble t il, pour qui est pas specialement fan du dieu economie et des privileges de l occident..
Pas d argent pas de marchandise par d electricite nucleaire c est possible un peu partout tu sais, quand bien meme c est sur que passer un ocean en avion ca cramme plus de petrole qu en voilier-stop, a la meme maniere qu une free party dans la foret consomme plus d energie qu un bal trad...
Tourisme il y a et tourisme il y aura. Dis tu. Peut etre. Economie degueulasse il y a economie degueulasse il y aura. Globalisation il y a globalisation il y aura. Exploitation il y a exploitation il y aura. Viols il y a viols il y aura...
Alors comme ca changera pas on fait du tourisme dit equitable, du capitalisme dit ethique, de la globalisation positive, de l exploitation alternative et des viols moins pire? Heuuu... Y a quand meme des choses qui existeront probablement mais qu il faudrait mieux pas etre de ce cote la, nan - meme dans la version moins pire, alternative ou a visage humain - quand meme elle serait plus vendeuse et meilleure pour la conscience.
Tu sais surement rien changera (avant le mur, on s entend) mais je sais pas, je prefererai tjs pas etre du cote des promoteurs alternatifs, et ca me semble plus sain de considerer que le tourisme c est degueulasse plutot que d essayer d en faire une version ethique pour que des bobos occidentaux puissent se promener dans des pays pauvres la conscience tranquille. C est pas plus mal parfois que deux trois trucs fassent un peu mal a la conscience. Et que celui qui boit son cafe il realise qu il participe a la destruction d une culture paysanne traditionnelle de fait, et que celui qui fait son tourisme dans des zones rurales il realise qu il transforme une economie locale avant basee sur le vivrier et l autonomie en autre chose...
Ca reste du fric globalise qui vient dans une economie locale et qui y change les choses, meme si bien sur avec ce fric les gens ont acces a plus de marchandise qu avant.
(Ouais mais si t es contre le deplacement globalise et que tu crois en le local pis que la derive ca marche pas a trop grande echelle pourquoi t es en train de profiter de la middle class americaine? - va savoir... eh eh - ceci dit ca change pas l autonomie locale, par ce qu ici elle est plus trop la ou alors c est des projets de gens bien barres...)
Apres c est aussi une histoire de convictions, j empeche personne de faire du tourisme equitable ou de diriger une entreprise de capitalisme a visage humain. Juste je pense que c est surtout l etiquette qui change; et iza demandait nos avis, je donne le mien. Rien de plus...
C etait pas un jugement hatif meme si je pense quand meme que la plupart des gens qui font du tourisme - surtout quand ils recherchent de l ethique - ils ont du cash pour se le payer, et le cash il faut se l acheter, et le travail pour acheter le cash est souvent pas sympa et dans tous les cas contestable me semble t il, pour qui est pas specialement fan du dieu economie et des privileges de l occident..
Pas d argent pas de marchandise par d electricite nucleaire c est possible un peu partout tu sais, quand bien meme c est sur que passer un ocean en avion ca cramme plus de petrole qu en voilier-stop, a la meme maniere qu une free party dans la foret consomme plus d energie qu un bal trad...
Tourisme il y a et tourisme il y aura. Dis tu. Peut etre. Economie degueulasse il y a economie degueulasse il y aura. Globalisation il y a globalisation il y aura. Exploitation il y a exploitation il y aura. Viols il y a viols il y aura...
Alors comme ca changera pas on fait du tourisme dit equitable, du capitalisme dit ethique, de la globalisation positive, de l exploitation alternative et des viols moins pire? Heuuu... Y a quand meme des choses qui existeront probablement mais qu il faudrait mieux pas etre de ce cote la, nan - meme dans la version moins pire, alternative ou a visage humain - quand meme elle serait plus vendeuse et meilleure pour la conscience.
Tu sais surement rien changera (avant le mur, on s entend) mais je sais pas, je prefererai tjs pas etre du cote des promoteurs alternatifs, et ca me semble plus sain de considerer que le tourisme c est degueulasse plutot que d essayer d en faire une version ethique pour que des bobos occidentaux puissent se promener dans des pays pauvres la conscience tranquille. C est pas plus mal parfois que deux trois trucs fassent un peu mal a la conscience. Et que celui qui boit son cafe il realise qu il participe a la destruction d une culture paysanne traditionnelle de fait, et que celui qui fait son tourisme dans des zones rurales il realise qu il transforme une economie locale avant basee sur le vivrier et l autonomie en autre chose...
Ca reste du fric globalise qui vient dans une economie locale et qui y change les choses, meme si bien sur avec ce fric les gens ont acces a plus de marchandise qu avant.
(Ouais mais si t es contre le deplacement globalise et que tu crois en le local pis que la derive ca marche pas a trop grande echelle pourquoi t es en train de profiter de la middle class americaine? - va savoir... eh eh - ceci dit ca change pas l autonomie locale, par ce qu ici elle est plus trop la ou alors c est des projets de gens bien barres...)
Apres c est aussi une histoire de convictions, j empeche personne de faire du tourisme equitable ou de diriger une entreprise de capitalisme a visage humain. Juste je pense que c est surtout l etiquette qui change; et iza demandait nos avis, je donne le mien. Rien de plus...
'Le vrai miracle, c'est la foi des hommes..'
merci a vous tous pour vos avis,
approfondissons le tient si tu veux bien nk,
qu'entends tu par "faire vivre du dedans un village"; "la position du simple locale""vivre simplement une culture vécue"...
tu sais je risque d'etre un peu violente avec toi et je m'en excuse car tu ne fais que donner ton avis, mais que veux tu on a tous un petit égo, mais tu projette malgrés toi ta culture que tu crois dominante meme si tu la rejette.
"la culture dominante occidentalo", pour les arabes du moyen orient, les arabes du magreb sont des arabes de l'extremes occident, pour les indonésiens ils sont des occidentaux, l'iran et l'irak sont entrés dans la modernité en meme temps que l'europe, quand tu arrives du pakistan et que tu passe la frontiere irannienne tu passe de l'orient à l'occident, donc finalememt l'orient et l'occident ca dépend de ta position par rapport au soleil, c tout...c'est illusoire ou relatif.
ensuite la culture du commerce elle existe depuis bien longtemps avant la revolution industrielle, rappelle toi les caravanes qui faisait la route de la soie, comme c vieux, et meme le prophete mohamed était un grand caravanier qui s'était enrichit d'un travail fait justement, et des hadiths émanant de lui promettent le paradis aux honnetes commerçants (c'est dire que ça doit pas etre si facile)
donc le "capitalisme" c'est pas nouveau, ce qui est nouveau c'est son coté sauvage, inhumain, et animal qui arrive a un point extreme
quand au petit village qui vit de son olivier...alors la j'en ai rarement vu. quand il y en a on classe le lieu en reserve naturelle (parceque le monde est devenu si fou qu'on s'est sorti de la nature nous les etres humains). dans n'importe quelle village on vend le produits de la terre, il y a des commercants, des gens qui attendent les touristes...sauf chez les tribus primitives, genre les lepshas en inde, et la tu sens qu'effectivement tu spécularise et qu'il vaudrait mieux disparaitre pour pas tout détruire. masi c évidemment pas chez eux qu'on fait du tourisme éthique...ca serait tous sauf éthique.
mais ailleurs, on ne vit plus du potager, les jeunes partent en ville travailler a la chaine, les vieux cassent des cailloux pour trouver des mineraux pour augmenter leur revenu, les femmes partent vendrent leur tapis et quand il y a rien on peut aussi mendier, faire du hénné, faire de la couture, du pain, du thé, cirer les chaussures ...bref tout le monde met la main a la pate pour avoir une vie plus digne.
l'argent n'est pour moi qu'un moyen d'échange...c pas le cas pour tout le monde et c ca notre malheur.
quand a la mondialisation, elle existe effectivement depuis longtemps, regarde les oiseaux, ils la connaissent depuis la nuit des temps et ils n'ont pas besoin de visa.
mais en ce moment il y a des gens qui veulent se mettre au centre du cercle ou en haut de la pyramide, et c'est la que le bas blesse et que se deverse un flot de désespoir dont tu sembles en etre l'héritier.
moi je refuse de croire qu'un autre monde est impossible, que ce sera toujours les crapules (comme c'est essentiellement le cas jusqu'au aujourd'hui) qui dirigeront tout et feront du fric en exploitant salarié et esclave (ce qui malgré tout n'est pas pareille, essaye de bosser 7/7, 365/365 et dors sur ton lieu de travail parceque t'as pas le choix, c ca esclave, tandis que salarié t'as une vie quand meme, meme si t'es plus au boulot qu'ailleurs...il faut essayer pour voir la différence)
moi je crois qu'une autre économie est possible, qu'une autre politique est possible, j'y crois parceque je crois que si je n'y croyais plus alors ca serait foutu, je ne resisterais plus et "ils" (les comploteurs !!!lol) auraient gagnés, mais moi je crois que le systeme qui pille les ressources de la terre, détruits les cultures, transforment tout en marchandises, ce systeme il n'est pas viable, personne n'en veut donc il ne vivra pas et dans mes reves je le vois s'écrouler comme un chateau de carte...
ceci étant dit il faut que je ressorte mon petit projet des oubliettes ou je l'avais mis, happé par la fatigue du monde, mais grâce a la fougue de ta revolte voici mon projet revenu à l'ordre du jour de demain...
merci a tous ceux qui ont laissé leur avis, et à bientot.
Isa.
approfondissons le tient si tu veux bien nk,
qu'entends tu par "faire vivre du dedans un village"; "la position du simple locale""vivre simplement une culture vécue"...
tu sais je risque d'etre un peu violente avec toi et je m'en excuse car tu ne fais que donner ton avis, mais que veux tu on a tous un petit égo, mais tu projette malgrés toi ta culture que tu crois dominante meme si tu la rejette.
"la culture dominante occidentalo", pour les arabes du moyen orient, les arabes du magreb sont des arabes de l'extremes occident, pour les indonésiens ils sont des occidentaux, l'iran et l'irak sont entrés dans la modernité en meme temps que l'europe, quand tu arrives du pakistan et que tu passe la frontiere irannienne tu passe de l'orient à l'occident, donc finalememt l'orient et l'occident ca dépend de ta position par rapport au soleil, c tout...c'est illusoire ou relatif.
ensuite la culture du commerce elle existe depuis bien longtemps avant la revolution industrielle, rappelle toi les caravanes qui faisait la route de la soie, comme c vieux, et meme le prophete mohamed était un grand caravanier qui s'était enrichit d'un travail fait justement, et des hadiths émanant de lui promettent le paradis aux honnetes commerçants (c'est dire que ça doit pas etre si facile)
donc le "capitalisme" c'est pas nouveau, ce qui est nouveau c'est son coté sauvage, inhumain, et animal qui arrive a un point extreme
quand au petit village qui vit de son olivier...alors la j'en ai rarement vu. quand il y en a on classe le lieu en reserve naturelle (parceque le monde est devenu si fou qu'on s'est sorti de la nature nous les etres humains). dans n'importe quelle village on vend le produits de la terre, il y a des commercants, des gens qui attendent les touristes...sauf chez les tribus primitives, genre les lepshas en inde, et la tu sens qu'effectivement tu spécularise et qu'il vaudrait mieux disparaitre pour pas tout détruire. masi c évidemment pas chez eux qu'on fait du tourisme éthique...ca serait tous sauf éthique.
mais ailleurs, on ne vit plus du potager, les jeunes partent en ville travailler a la chaine, les vieux cassent des cailloux pour trouver des mineraux pour augmenter leur revenu, les femmes partent vendrent leur tapis et quand il y a rien on peut aussi mendier, faire du hénné, faire de la couture, du pain, du thé, cirer les chaussures ...bref tout le monde met la main a la pate pour avoir une vie plus digne.
l'argent n'est pour moi qu'un moyen d'échange...c pas le cas pour tout le monde et c ca notre malheur.
quand a la mondialisation, elle existe effectivement depuis longtemps, regarde les oiseaux, ils la connaissent depuis la nuit des temps et ils n'ont pas besoin de visa.
mais en ce moment il y a des gens qui veulent se mettre au centre du cercle ou en haut de la pyramide, et c'est la que le bas blesse et que se deverse un flot de désespoir dont tu sembles en etre l'héritier.
moi je refuse de croire qu'un autre monde est impossible, que ce sera toujours les crapules (comme c'est essentiellement le cas jusqu'au aujourd'hui) qui dirigeront tout et feront du fric en exploitant salarié et esclave (ce qui malgré tout n'est pas pareille, essaye de bosser 7/7, 365/365 et dors sur ton lieu de travail parceque t'as pas le choix, c ca esclave, tandis que salarié t'as une vie quand meme, meme si t'es plus au boulot qu'ailleurs...il faut essayer pour voir la différence)
moi je crois qu'une autre économie est possible, qu'une autre politique est possible, j'y crois parceque je crois que si je n'y croyais plus alors ca serait foutu, je ne resisterais plus et "ils" (les comploteurs !!!lol) auraient gagnés, mais moi je crois que le systeme qui pille les ressources de la terre, détruits les cultures, transforment tout en marchandises, ce systeme il n'est pas viable, personne n'en veut donc il ne vivra pas et dans mes reves je le vois s'écrouler comme un chateau de carte...
ceci étant dit il faut que je ressorte mon petit projet des oubliettes ou je l'avais mis, happé par la fatigue du monde, mais grâce a la fougue de ta revolte voici mon projet revenu à l'ordre du jour de demain...
merci a tous ceux qui ont laissé leur avis, et à bientot.
Isa.
"La liberté de la graine réside dans l'accomplissement de sa nature qui est de devenir un arbre"
Rabindranath Tagora
Bonjour Isa,
Juste un mot pour t'encourager dans ton projet, que je trouve très légitime et probablement faisable ! N'écoute pas les fatalistes, comme tu le dis, il faut croire en ses rêves pour avancer, si on baisse les bras la vie ne vaut plus le coup ! Et tant pis si ce que tu fais n'est qu'une goutte d'eau, elle sera déjà un réconfort pour certaines personnes, à commencer par ton couple. Si c'est ta raison de vivre, alors tu es sur la bonne voie je pense 😉
Quand au sujet que tu as lancé, moi aussi j'ai envie de croire au tourisme équitable, après tout puisqu'il est ancré définitivement dans les modes de vies à travers le monde maintenant, autant le réguler autant que possible pour une bonne répartition des recherches ! J'ai l'impression, simple appréciation personnelle, que comme pour toute entreprise (car un tel projet revient à se lancer dans la création d'entreprise), l'important est que tu aies un réseau (et ça tombe bien puisque des plate formes sont mises en place pour fédérer les intiatives solidaires concernant le tourisme !). Pourquoi pas te mettre en rapport avec des voyagistes engagés (comme cela t'a été conseillé plus haut je crois) pour faire partie du parcours de leurs clients ? Ce n'est que mon avis, mais je pense que pour un tel projet, j'essaierai de travailler sur des engagements durables avec des partenaires de choix ! Bon courage pour mettre en place tes projets 🙂
Juste un mot pour t'encourager dans ton projet, que je trouve très légitime et probablement faisable ! N'écoute pas les fatalistes, comme tu le dis, il faut croire en ses rêves pour avancer, si on baisse les bras la vie ne vaut plus le coup ! Et tant pis si ce que tu fais n'est qu'une goutte d'eau, elle sera déjà un réconfort pour certaines personnes, à commencer par ton couple. Si c'est ta raison de vivre, alors tu es sur la bonne voie je pense 😉
Quand au sujet que tu as lancé, moi aussi j'ai envie de croire au tourisme équitable, après tout puisqu'il est ancré définitivement dans les modes de vies à travers le monde maintenant, autant le réguler autant que possible pour une bonne répartition des recherches ! J'ai l'impression, simple appréciation personnelle, que comme pour toute entreprise (car un tel projet revient à se lancer dans la création d'entreprise), l'important est que tu aies un réseau (et ça tombe bien puisque des plate formes sont mises en place pour fédérer les intiatives solidaires concernant le tourisme !). Pourquoi pas te mettre en rapport avec des voyagistes engagés (comme cela t'a été conseillé plus haut je crois) pour faire partie du parcours de leurs clients ? Ce n'est que mon avis, mais je pense que pour un tel projet, j'essaierai de travailler sur des engagements durables avec des partenaires de choix ! Bon courage pour mettre en place tes projets 🙂
"La sagesse, c’est d’avoir des rêves suffisamment grands pour ne pas les perdre de vue lorsqu’on les poursuit !" O. Wilde
Chaque fois que l'on propose des voyages, des articles, des découvertes favorisant les programmes équitables, les prix sont prohibitifs 🤪 et pas spécialement de bonnes qualités .
Dommage !
"Si tu tues le coq au village, et la perdrix dans la forêt,
qui est-ce qui t'indiquera le lever du jour ?
je te fais part d'un exemple que je connais et qui me parait exemplaire.
le comité d'entreprise d'une grande entreprise française a mis à son catalogue un de ces voyages solidaires dont les composantes sont:
logement chez l'habitant, cuisine réalisée pas des gens du village, visite de la région par des "guides" du village, achat éventuel d'artisanat local.... ainsi l'essentiel de l'argent dépensé n'alimente pas les bénéficiaires habituels(hotel, restau, magasins + ou - d'Etat ).
en échange, les voyageurs ont apporté des objets utiles (fourniture scolaires, livres, habits, jouets). De plus certains participent à l'installation de PC dans une école ainsi que le complément de formation de professeurs.. il s'agit d'un village de Madagascar.
mais ce modèle n'est-il pas reproductible dans certains pays.??
En contactant un membre d'un CE (commission tourisme) particulierement sensible à cette approche. Mais je n'ai pas de recette, pour rencontrer, connaitre ces gens???
Jippe
en échange, les voyageurs ont apporté des objets utiles (fourniture scolaires, livres, habits, jouets). De plus certains participent à l'installation de PC dans une école ainsi que le complément de formation de professeurs.. il s'agit d'un village de Madagascar.
mais ce modèle n'est-il pas reproductible dans certains pays.??
En contactant un membre d'un CE (commission tourisme) particulierement sensible à cette approche. Mais je n'ai pas de recette, pour rencontrer, connaitre ces gens???
Jippe
mais ailleurs, on ne vit plus du potager, les jeunes partent en ville travailler a la chaine
Euh... Il y en a de + en + qui recommence à vivre du potager... Marre de la chaine en ville... 😉😎
Euh... Il y en a de + en + qui recommence à vivre du potager... Marre de la chaine en ville... 😉😎
Fainéanter dans un monde neuf est la plus absorbante des occupations... (N.Bouvier)
bonjour,
je crois que mon expérience se rapproche un peu de ton projet. Je m'explique :
mon époux est un homme du désert, nous faisons un peu de tourisme ensemble pour justement améliorer sa vie, et surtout lui donner la dignité par le travail. Mais c'est là un grand mot que dignité parceque parfois les touristes ne se rendent pas compte qu'il la galvaude cette dignité. Il y a matière à parler de cela. Tout cela pour dire que j'ai justement fait la démarche d'amener du monde au campement familial pour aider aussi les occupants, l'un sert de guide, l'autre d'accompagnateur, les femmes font un peu d'artisanat, la cuisine, organisent une soirée de chants traditionnels.....L'essentiel est que chacun reste lui même, vaque à ses occupations et que les touristes se sentent à l'aise, qu'ils trouvent dans cet endroit la tranquillité et le sens de l'observation. Tout cela part d'un bon sentiment, mais mon expérience me laisse à penser que cela peut-être dangereux parceque j'instaure pour ces gens un rapport à l'argent qu'ils n'ont pas, et parfois les touristes ont un comportement peu respectueux et respectable malgré mes recommandations. Il faut bien se dire que les voyageurs sont très éloignés des mentalités des pays qu'ils visitent. Il y a de faux clichés et a-priori sur les différentes cultures et cela se ressent lorsque tu les intègres dans ce genre d'environnement. Ils posent beaucoup de questions, mais bien souvent ils ne savent pas entendre. J'ai trouvé une proverbe cité par un "forumeur" qui se rapporte bien à ce comportement : "quand le sage montre la lune, l'imbécile regarde le doigt". J'arrive parfois à "pêcher" un bon touriste, et alors je suis heureuse de lui faire partager la vie au campement. Ce n'est pas facile, il faut bien réfléchir aux conséquences et surtout ne pas se décourager. Pour avoir un aperçu de ma vie là-bas, jette un oeil sur mon blog. J'espère avoir répondu à ton attente et peut-être pourrions nous échanger des voyageurs si tu réalises ce projet, amicalement
je suis nouvelle sur VF et prends vos conversations en cours (très intéressantes). Je partage ton avis et l'affirme par mon témoignage: il y a quelques années je suis allée à une conférence à l'UNESCO concernant le tourisme équitable. Ecoeurant ! Il est évident que les grandes agences profitent de ce mot à la mode, font semblant de se préoccuper des problèmes que cela génére et continuent ainsi (c'est-à-dire que rien n'est changé). Certains préconisaient même de proposer des tarifs élevés pour trier les clients (hé oui, c'est une agence très connue dont je tairai le nom), justifiant que ces gens seraient du coup des touristes responsables. Inimaginable n'est-ce pas ? Je l'ai entendu de mes deux oreilles, et j'en passe.
C'était là mes petites remarques, bye
quand je dis éthique je pense au droit sociale des salariés et des prestataires, parceque souvent on voyage pas cher mais les locaux sont des esclaves qui bossent 7/7 pour gagner un pourboire, je pense au prix payé par le touriste qui doit etre juste, ou on ne le prend pas pour un con, parceque certains séjour éthique a 1500 euros billet d'avion non compris pour jouer a la maitresse dans un village africain c'est prendre les habitants et les touristes pour des cons, je pense à l'objectif du séjour, à l'échange culturel pour les habitants et pour les touristes, je pense a la nature et l'environnement à proteger (le tour du monde de l'écologie en jeep je trouve ca limite), je pense à un tourisme ou l'on découvrirait l'autre et ou l'on vibrerait dans cette rencontre et pas ou on ne penserait qu'a ces plaisirs sans soucis des habitants...je pense a tellement de chose, je vois cela comme un tout ou personne ni rien n'a été abimé pendant ce voyage et ou chacun ressort grandit...on donne, on reçoit.
dans ma tete éthique c plus que équitable, équitable ca fait un peu paternaliste (du genre je paye 10 fois le prix pour aider les gens...mais au passage y en a peut etre qui se serve) alors que éthique, c'est juste de tout les cotés. Bien sur c'est pas évident car dés le début les regles du jeux sont faussés par des rapports ingégalitaires...mais pour moi pour que le tourisme soit éthique il faut que ce soit avec le moins de prestataires possibles, avec des locaux dans l'organisation du séjour et plus...je trouve que l'idéal pour réaliser ce projet c'est un couple mixte, ou une amitié mixte qui s'associe dans le projet, l'un a les pieds au nord pour trouver les touristes, l'autre a les pieds au sud pour les acceuillir...c'est le meilleur moyens d'échapper aux rapports inégalitaires.
enfin voila, je ne sais pas si je suis trés claire, mais j'ai lancé post pour m'aider a réfléchir avec votre aide a tous les forumistes, donc merci encore a tous.
dans ma tete éthique c plus que équitable, équitable ca fait un peu paternaliste (du genre je paye 10 fois le prix pour aider les gens...mais au passage y en a peut etre qui se serve) alors que éthique, c'est juste de tout les cotés. Bien sur c'est pas évident car dés le début les regles du jeux sont faussés par des rapports ingégalitaires...mais pour moi pour que le tourisme soit éthique il faut que ce soit avec le moins de prestataires possibles, avec des locaux dans l'organisation du séjour et plus...je trouve que l'idéal pour réaliser ce projet c'est un couple mixte, ou une amitié mixte qui s'associe dans le projet, l'un a les pieds au nord pour trouver les touristes, l'autre a les pieds au sud pour les acceuillir...c'est le meilleur moyens d'échapper aux rapports inégalitaires.
enfin voila, je ne sais pas si je suis trés claire, mais j'ai lancé post pour m'aider a réfléchir avec votre aide a tous les forumistes, donc merci encore a tous.
"La liberté de la graine réside dans l'accomplissement de sa nature qui est de devenir un arbre"
Rabindranath Tagora
si on ecoute tout le monde, on ne fais plus rien !
donc faisons avec notre coeur, meme si quelques fois on se trompe, meme si ce ne sont que des petites
gouttes d'eau, mais l'eau c'est la vie !
il reste des gens honnètes, restons optimistes !
et continuons a semer de bonnes graines pour le futur !
bon courage isa
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
Bonjour,
Cela fait longtemps que le sujet a été lançé.. après avoir parcouru ces quelques lignes, je me demandais où tu en etais aujourd'hui isabelle avec ton projet?? Je trouve le sujet interessant, concernant le voyage solidaire, ethique, durable... le tourisme existe et il se developpera encore à l'avenir... s'il evolue dans ce sens, c'est plutot une bonne chose, sans pour autant qu'il devienne un tourisme de masse. Car ce n'est pas compatible avec une approche éthique tout simplement. Aujourd'hui, on en entend beaucoup parler, et c'est devenu malgré tout un vrai business. Et à partir de là, ça devient malsain, car l'argent devient pour certain le seul interet de se lançer dans un secteur en plein boom... car aujourd'hui tout le monde veut "aider" en Afrique, en Amerique du Sud, en Asie... "voyager solidaire" oui mais pour cela il faut avoir de l'argent, beaucoup d'argent. Dans mon esprit, j'espere et je pense qu'il reste possible de partir quelque part et d'echanger, d'aider sur place, comme on peut, avec ses moyens, sans vouloir imposer quoique ce soit. Je pense qu'il y a nombre de personnes qui vivent leur voyage de cette manière, et je souhaite vraiment que cela pourra continuer à exister à l'avenir.
Cela fait longtemps que le sujet a été lançé.. après avoir parcouru ces quelques lignes, je me demandais où tu en etais aujourd'hui isabelle avec ton projet?? Je trouve le sujet interessant, concernant le voyage solidaire, ethique, durable... le tourisme existe et il se developpera encore à l'avenir... s'il evolue dans ce sens, c'est plutot une bonne chose, sans pour autant qu'il devienne un tourisme de masse. Car ce n'est pas compatible avec une approche éthique tout simplement. Aujourd'hui, on en entend beaucoup parler, et c'est devenu malgré tout un vrai business. Et à partir de là, ça devient malsain, car l'argent devient pour certain le seul interet de se lançer dans un secteur en plein boom... car aujourd'hui tout le monde veut "aider" en Afrique, en Amerique du Sud, en Asie... "voyager solidaire" oui mais pour cela il faut avoir de l'argent, beaucoup d'argent. Dans mon esprit, j'espere et je pense qu'il reste possible de partir quelque part et d'echanger, d'aider sur place, comme on peut, avec ses moyens, sans vouloir imposer quoique ce soit. Je pense qu'il y a nombre de personnes qui vivent leur voyage de cette manière, et je souhaite vraiment que cela pourra continuer à exister à l'avenir.
C'est à travers l'autre que l'on se construit soi-même... et le voyage est une belle manière de s'ennivrer de ce qui nous entoure
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Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Hi everyone,
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Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
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hi there
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This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
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You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)